/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How do you tell how much to foreshorten people in the background?

My attempt at painting skin tones from imagination, I heard that darker values should use warmer colors in general
>>2920587
draw the perspective, loomis has a section dedicated to this

>>2920587
>tfw it's been three days since I've last drawn anything despite surrounding my bed in small sketchbooks and my tablet

I can draw for hours once I get started but I just can't motivate myself to pick up the pencil

>>2920668
Did you eat properly over the course of those three days? Have you had enough rest? Did you try to simply pick up the pencil and draw ANYTHING?

>>2920577

>>2920685
You seem to have removed the poor man's ribcage. He goes straight from his pectorals to his stomach.

I've been looking for "drawing lessons" or searching "how to draw" etc. What I find is "How to draw face" or "how to draw a banana" or "how to do this - do that" etc etc.

I want to start learning the right way so my technique doesn't develop fucked up and doesn't get in my way later on. (Like playing guitar for example. Making an effort doing up and down picking so when you are playing the kickass guitar solo's it doesn't get in your way later on.)

What is the right way to learn this? I've just been using my common sense, I may be wrong aswell. Should I just try to draw anything-everything? Is this how I get better? or is there a smarter approach to this? I'm not looking for a magic pill. I know I need to practise A Lot. I'm just trying to work smart.

Thanks senpai.

>>2920702
Sticky you nigger or take a look at the OP

>>2920703

Why so angry...

Starting with "Getting past symbol drawing". Thank you

>>2920668
Draw me a picture of this bird right now then.

>>2920708
Because you are blind and I'm sick of people asking the same fucking question over and over when the answer is right under their noses

>>2920711
Not that guy. I simply wanted to have a quick drawing session because I didn't draw anything for the past three days. Though to try out something completely different from what I've done before, just for the heck of it. That is:
1) Painting with a watercolor brush on a single layer;
2) Painting a bird;
3) 10 min time limit on the picture, including the reference inspection.

Tell me how shitty it is before I try something like that again.

>>2920749
>> tfw you're so stoned that you forget to attach the picture

>>2920575
> Be me
> Never get why everything I draw turns out wonky as fuck
> Mom one day confesses Rob Liefeld is my dad
> Everything makes sense now

>>2920578
Wew lads. I got a long fuckin way to go

>>2920783

I didn't do many environment sketches today; I focused my effort on one portrait with a few tones

>>2920804
Did you watch this yet? I still think it would help you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>2920821
I'll watch it tonight. Thanks again for sharing

>>2920783
even as a gesture drawing thats pretty shit, anon.

one word: framework

study it
embrace it
fuck it

>>2920864
>2920766

Do me next do me next!! >>2920766

>>2920711
I think the fact that I struggled so hard to draw such a simple bird has made me more depressed, at least you got me to draw something.

>>2920804
Some improvement there, most noticeable with their faces, but you still have to work a lot on the craniums. I again remind you that eyes are located about right in the middle of the head vertically. Most of those heads don't have a forehead that's tall enough, and that's pretty much the only reason they still resemble aliens. The smallest look the worst, and the best faces are... oh, screw it, I may just show them directly instead of thinking up ways to point them out with text. The "b" stands for "better than others", or "about normal", since I didn't want to give you the wrong idea with something like OK. B+ is a perfect Japanese male with hair dyed blonde. If he's bald, too bad then, an alien he is. Oh, but maybe there's something wrong with his ears... are they aligned properly on your picture? I can't see them clearly. Other heads are either done poorly or I can't tell anything about them since the scale is too small.

Your nature sketches don't impress me as much as before, most likely due to me getting too used to them. They're on the same level as before. Why don't you try being more and more complex with them?

>>2920766
>>2920878
dude your pic is literally better than anything i've ever shat out. I probably shouldn't even be giving advice lol.

here's some shit pointers anyhow:
>his left arm looks a lil fucked
>looks pretty good
>if its supposed to be a chick (judging by the tits) that head is way too masculine
>torso is way too short
>lower legs are like, rotating? don't do that. they look a lil bent
>that back bend he's doin looks very spine breaking
>his right hand - the fingers between the pinky and thumb look good, but the pinky just looks like a thumb on the other side of his hand and vice versa - it looks like he has two thumbs almost

that's my awful advice, you asked fo it

>>2920892
I guess there's some validity in your shitty advice, thanks anon. Yeah it's supposed to be a chick... I drew Sailor Moon all my life, and suddenly dropped drawing chicks in favor of bulky muscly dudes, and all of a sudden I can't draw woman anymore, it's ridiculous.

>>2920894
here's some food for thought (hope i'm using that expression correctly) at least

jawline is key. if the jawline is too pronounced, it'll look really masculine. also, another really helpful piece of advice an artist friend gave me: there are no real naturally occuring straight lines on the body - especially with women. that doesn't mean you need to have uber exaggerated convex and concave lines on everything, just deter from lazily drawing in straight lines to connect point a to point B, because that'll look janky.

also another thing I learned about female anatomy. men are typically really "box-y" (queen), women do have curves, especially in that area of the torso and the hips. the pic related isn't exactly the tutorial I learned this from (can't find it atm), but notice that "two triangles" thing with the body. if you're doing a pose like that, just bend (well, fold more I think) the triangle.

>>2920894
>I drew Sailor Moon all my life

As of late, I can't get to draw digitally. But I can pick up the pencil when I'm idle at work, or during lunch. Any tips for when you just can't get into digital?
Maybe not the best place, but I own a bamboo tablet, and a friend lended me her cintiq. Cintiq feels like shit, been trying to get used to it for a few months but it's just so alient that it gets on my way. Are Intuos tablets worth buying, in my case? The pen tilt looks amaizimg desu.

Also, general critique on this pic please? Be as straight forward as you need to be, I know it's a long way to go, but I like how I'm doing so far.

>>2920885
Hey: here's a magnification of one of them. I compressed these a lot so that the image would be under 1000px

I'll try and draw from life with more intensity, or at least find more interesting subject matter than what I observed straight before catching the bus

Thank you as always. The is very entertaining and it's kind of refreshing

>>2920884
Don't be depressed anon, look at this fat lil fuck taunting us, he's super hard to draw and just won't admit it. Don't let this motherfucker win!

>>2920903
Thanks anon that's really helpful!

>>2920884
Nevertheless, you did a good job. Allow me to point out these discrepancies:
1) The beak is too bulky.
2) The angle and the position of the legs on her body are different.
3) That yellow bit under the tall should be smaller.
4) The end (green) feathers look a bit different.

>>2920912
Here's one I made digitally about a month or two ago

>>2920912
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
>#1)
>>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)
>#2)
>>change camera capture settings to something smaller
>#3)
>>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

Do it and we might help you

>>2920927
Alright, here you go.
Also see
>>2920926

Anything terribly wrong/off with this? Aside from the missing hands

I'll probably attempt to finish this despite biting off more than I can chew, so I'd rather try to get it right now before I torture myself too much

>>2920945
If I were you I'd go back to whatever your book of choice is and keep working on proportions. The head, arms/forearms and torso on both the guys doesn't really go together that well. Also see what you can do to make the face more part of the skull than just "drawn on", especially the one on the right I get that feeling

>>2920945
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the heads are too big for the bodies.

>>2920950
>>2920949
Eugh, I intended the characters to be dwarven so I messed around with the propotions. Not the best of ideas

>>2920960
Dwarven or not, the parts don't quite fit together the way you mixed them. Study drawings of dorfs and try to understand how they're proportioned so they don't look off to the viewer

>>2920963
Thanks for the input. I'll see what I can come up with

>>2920931
Did you study an particular artist yet or used any kind of anatomy book? You have a general idea where which part of the body belongs, that's a good start, but you don't seem to be drawing with forms in mind, rather you just draw the lines you mind creates. This leads to everything looking rather 2 dimensional. I'd suggest looking up "forms". Besides that I think you suffer from the symbolism syndrome - you already draw in a style without drawing the real deal first.

Generally ppl recommend first learning how to draw actual people and then venture on into manga/comic/whatever style.

And don't be so lazy with the hands. Give us some crisp drawn hands!

On a site note, maybe draw with a thinner pen, or don't push so hard, or draw bigger, everything feel rather claustrophobic and it's hard to really see any details.

First time trying to do a study. Feel like it went alright except for her hand and face which are awful. Only spent a couple minutes on the values since i was mainly focusing on getting the pose

>>2920976
Thanks for the input. I've been drawing, and trying to follow loomis, but the books and Loomis' drawings themselves feel...off. A little uncanny, at least on the book I started a while back (Figure drawing for all it's worth), so I know in theory about the stuff. Are any other authors out there I can look up? Most recommend Loomis, and that kind of...eh, feels weird.
I studied with the Stan Prokopenko videos as well, and I really like how he explains anatomy, although I haven't practised as much as I should.
And on drawing bigger or with a smaller pen, it just feels wrong. I guess I just have to get used to it, though.

>>2920982
You chose porn for your first study?

>>2920995
Yeah I mean why not study what you want to draw?

>>2920915
I don't think you should care so much about the rules for now. In fact, downscaling your images so much only hides the truth, which hinders your growth. Resizing them to 2000xsomethingsomething would be still fine, I guess.

Upon a closer look, the face isn't as good as it looks when it's small.
The eyes are slightly uneven, but what kills them is the huge difference in their shape. Purple lines equal the width of one eye. They have even width indeed, but they have too much space between them and their positions relative to the middle vertical line differ too greatly to be written off under the pretext of a slight horizontal angle. The shape of the nose is a bit strange, but it could work if you move the nose to the right (of the picture). Right now, the nose suggests that his head is turned slightly to the left side of the picture, while the eye direction suggests that he looks straight at the viewer, and everything else shows that his head is turned to the right of the picture. The green line is the perfect middle line if he's facing the viewer directly. Be very careful about hairstyles too. More often than not hair follows the outlines of the skull, so the top of it is, naturally, shows where the top of the skull is horizontally. When a viewer sees such a hairdo, he'll likely sense that something's off. Finally, the wavy line indicates where the bottom of his ears should be in this angle.

>>2920992
Personall I liked Michael Hamptons's book Figure Drawing Design and Invention - it's not that often mentioned, but it helped me to get a good overview. It's not a bible, but helps with the fundamentals, and from there the youtube videos by Houston or Vilppu are generally good.

And yeah, though it might feel wonky at first, use a smaller pen size.

>>2921011
Thank you, it looks way more appealing than Loomis so far. Will give it a good read!

>>2921040
Honestly I had huge problems with Loomis as well, he isn't teaching "the real deal" there's already his style mixed in. I think Hampton has a more "raw" attempt.

Do you guys ever run into an issue when you're studying something and there's so much fucking detail you don't even know how to tackle it?

I'm having this problem studying this tank, and all these fucking doodads and attachments on the right side above the wheels are seriously throwing me off for some reason. Any ideas on how to approach it? Just power through it?

>>2920982
a "study" is worthless if you're going to spend 20 minutes on it all on top of simplifying (symbol drawing) the face for some reason

>>2921009
Ok; I'll try and correct some of my mistakes

>>2921068
'Ey
I gave it a shot; I focused mainly on replicating one of the eye shapes on the other side

>>2921052
In forms, like you approach everything in life.

>>2920982
>The wikihow artist tries porn

im sorry if the image comes out to be over a megabyte, I don't know how to make it smaller over an ipod. im doing a small project and i want this hand to be as proportionally accurate as possible. how can i make it better?

>>2921052
Look up some articles and whatnot on tanks and how they work. Understanding what all those doodads actually are to some degree is very helpful for having things make more sense when you draw them, and will help you if you want to make up your own from imagination later on. Also as the other anon that replied to you said, keep the forms in mind and everything's a bit easier.

>>2921082
>1. graduate middle/high school
>2. go on the internet and use shrinkpicturesonline or a similar site to make your mobile images smaller before posting
>3. return with your newfound diploma and technical prowess to recieve actual critique

>>2920711

>>2921086
im sorry about the vague outline! but the end product is not going to be a drawing so i can't give you the masterpiece you're asking for

>>2921087
looks nice boss, I love tiny round birds

help
I don't know what i want to do anymore

What's the best way to practice cartoons?

I'm trying to do stuff really quickly off of imagination (like 30 min max) but I don't feel like i'm learning anything as to how the simplistic proportions should look and feel like

>>2921116
It's a little hard to critique just a page with some circles on it, anon. Try drawing a little more

>>2921116


Draw the bird >>2920711 We all did. No it's your turn.

>>2921119
Go back and get a much better grip on real proportions before you try doing cartoon shit. You're not learning anything because you're not building your simplification/stylization off of a groundwork, you're just sort of copying/faking without understanding

How long should one spend on the first lesson with draw a box?

My first drawing ever. I can't remember myself drawing or painting after elementary school (I'm 24 now).

Is there hope for me? Looks pretty bad to me :/

>>2921119
once you have your fundamentals at least somewhat together, you can think about trying to stylize

else, everything comes out as flat and lifeless

>>2921131
Pretty standard for a beginner, man.

I mean, have you seen this? >>2920783

My first drawing ever (Took me about 1.5-2 hours). I can't remember myself drawing or painting after elementary school (I'm 24 now).

Is there hope for me? Looks pretty bad to me :/

>>2921131
There's hope for everyone. It doesn't matter who you are.

What I'd recommend is reading Keys to Drawing (which can be found in the sticky). It'll help you understand what it means to measure when you reference things and your drawings will be more accurate to their source.

>>2921134
yep. just follow the sticky in the OP for now and you'll know where you are and how you can progress.

Save that image as a diagnostic and then a few months from now you can look back and see how far you've progressed.

>>2921128
I've been following this style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

of improvement which helps you create your own type that makes you decent enough for the free market

Is it really that necessary to spend the year doing the Robinson groundwork

>>2921134
There's hope for everyone. Consider finding a good art teacher and make him describe to you what are your current failing and what it is you must study and practice. This is the best advice.

>>2921125
Okay. I feel i lack the ability to do this.
My arms feel lethargic and I can't keep the drawing booklet from moving

>>2921147
Oh c'mon - tape the bloody page to your table! Man up! You can draw this fucking bird! He basically consists of three balls, two sticks and one arrow. Now you just have to place these items at the right places and you've drawn it!

did an okay sketch, but then I fucked up on the shading. the more I try to rescue, the shittier it looks... what do?

>>2921151
Is he supposed to be cross-eyed?

>>2920711
Fuck

I resorted to symbol right away

>>2921185
Let's look at the good things here: You drew! That's a good thing in itself.

But you are right, there are a few things off. The eye is closer to the beak and the beak is much much smaller, but you actually managed to get a good amount of weight distribution in there , though you altered the pose a bit.

gimme something to draw guys, make it reasonably complex, im shit but i wanna see my limits an see where i can improve

>>2921209
ignore this, im a big dumb retard, i am sorry

>>2921209
Draw this troop transporter.

>>2921213
with all the side like see through in the diagram or as if it was a proper ship?

>>2921214
Proper ship

i didnt take your advice guys. solrry

>>2921219
i'll try

>>2921213
>someone somewhere drew this
holy fucking shit, sometimes it's just inconceivable that someone somewhere has the ability to do this

I mean, I'll just keep grinding practice out and shoot for that level of skill, but godfuckingdamn

>>2921246
its most likely mix of 3D, 2D and real photo's, yes a very good artist indeed

>>2921219
this will probs take 2 or 3 hours

>>2921246
Want something really mind blowing? Something that wasn't patched together in photoshop?

Google Matte paintings. You brain will explode.

>>2921254
I have another comic due to monday and will draw all night - I'll be there when you are done.

Besides such a simply form shouldn't take that long, but you do you.

>>2921232
i used to beat up edgelords like you in high school

>>2921255
? matte painting is matte painting its the same in traditional and digital no big deal.

>>2921260
No you didn't.

is this good advice?

>>2921270
Their style is a little too butch tumblrshit looking but the advice is sound.

>>2921232

Smh why even bother posting in the beg thread if you won't take advice.

>>2921232
RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

>>2921257
thats it third sai crash fuck this, i'll try again tomorrow

>>2921278
Technology 1 you 0

>>2921286

how do I reach this level of good?

>>2921292
value studies.

>>2921325
sticky

>>2921325

>>2921325
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
>#1)
>>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)
>#2)
>>change camera capture settings to something smaller
>#3)
>>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

Drawing on the right side hasnt taught me shit.
I feel I'm holding my pencil wrong, my goddamn table is too small to rest my elbow. I can't draw these details. What the fuck do i do. I want to skull fuck a cactus.
Soon i won't be able to say these terrible things without my isp sellinh me out
I want to fucjing die

>>2921134
pretty good for a first ever drawing

>>2921350
relax bro its just drawing

>>2921350
Relax. How far in the book are you?

>>2921366
I stopped at chap 8 (putting sighting into perspective)

>>2920711
FUCK BIRDS

>>2921350
That book is for liberal shit heads.

>>2920703

Sticky has and always will be shit until someone streamlines, updates and fixes it.

>>2920766

Cold Fusion is that you?

>>2921380
That's good.
>>2921384
What should i do instead anon

>>2921350
sounds like you need to practice your cactus anatomy because you should know there is no skull on a cactus for you to fuck.

>>2921396
>What should i do instead anon
You should read the guide in the sticky, friend.

(Do draw a box)

>>2921392
I don't get it - you mean like the chemical process of cold fusion? ... I don't know shit about cold fusion

what can I improve on?

How do I put heads in perspective?

What features on the face can I use as lines heading towards a vanishing point?

>>2921415
Cold Fusion is a regular at /co/, he's most active in the general for making webcomics.

I wouldn't say he's straight up awful, there's just something "off" about his art. I actually don't get it, like I look at the anatomy objectively and half the time it actually looks informed, but I still won't like it.

Maybe it's his color pallete, or the fact he doesn't actually use values

>>2921433
>I wouldn't say he's straight up awful, there's just something "off" about his art

Welp thank for making me feel better about myself...

>>2921414
I already did the upset down happy merchant man

>>2921435
Oh, I wasn't that anon, I actually think your pic is somewhat decent. Linework is ass, and the face seems a bit manish, but it appears you have some idea of what you're doing

>>2921435
Take it in a good way fusion, remember you still got work to do

>>2921442
>the upset down happy merchant man

>>2921444
It was just a warm up scribble of 5 minutes so I get why the lines suck ... and yeah the manly manly face....

>>2921140
>He fell for the sycra meme

>Is it really that necessary to spend the year doing the Robinson groundwork
Yes, if you focus and really make practice count it might not even take that long. Don't cut corners when it comes to learning the fundamentals and both you and the viewers of your works will be much happier

>>2921448
Constantly trying to get better and all ... I actually did this red line, hope it looks better than my 5 minutes warm up scribble >>2921277

>>2921449
In "drawing with the right side of the brain" there's an exercise to draw a picasso painting upside down - to show what your eyes sees instead of what it thinks it sees. To fight symbolism and all. Though it's more of a demonstration thing, on how our brain has trouble to simply draw what we see and instead always likes to simplify everything.

Guess this anon doesn't now about drawabox

>>2921461
wait, what the hell? you're actually CF? so you were just playing dumb then

>>2921468
Oh he meant "upside down." I see now.

Yeah I'm guessing "do draw a box" just confused him.

For the last 3 days I've been trying to rotate boxes in 3D and for the fucking life of me I can't figure out how to do it.

Am I supposed to master this before moving on or is it just one of those things where the author is like "lol you can't do this shit so yet fuck you" for no reason?

>>2921471
What? No what the fuck. I swear I'm not. Is my artstyle so close to his?

>>2921480
that anon addressed you as CF and then you responded
>Is my artstyle so close to his?
no

>>2921486
Oh sorry I completely skipped the word "fusion" in that sentence, sorry my bad.It's 6 am and english isn't my main language -I should probably go to bed...

kelp

>>2920903
where's this image from anon?

i'm not too proud of this drawing but It might be the best i've done so far in the two weeks i've been drawing

advice? critique? opinions?

>>2921533
dunno about the artist, found it in a recent tutorial dump

Progress has been very slow over the years. But I can still see it.
I wish I had it sooner.
It would be cool if I can get gud before I turn 30.

>>2921270
if you actually want to improve you need to go through the sticky

Sorry for the spoilers.

>>2921531
Hope this helps

>>2921594
Unironically kill yourself

>>2921476
It's pretty god damned important. If you're having trouble you could draw rotated parallelograms until you're comfortable with that

>>2921594
you do realize this place isn't your personal blog right?

>>2921476
>Am I supposed to master this before moving on

You definitely need to git gud at positioning and rotating boxes in space to draw well. It is normal for this to be hard. I know it seems like something so basic should be easy, but it's not, so don't think you're broken if it takes you a while to master it.

The good news is, skill with boxes is super useful and you can never be good enough, so studying won't be wasted. A few days is nothing compared to the value you get. Just study boxes from life or load up a cube in Blender or whatever, figure out what the vanishing points do and draw a bunch of different boxes a ton, trust me, it'll help.

>>2921597
>if parallel lines are not the same length
they should never be the same length, the further line should be shorter

>>2921597
>>2921610
Depends if you're drawing in perspective, or orthographically.

>>2921594
you don't belong here

>>2921615
humans dont see orthographically. why would oyu ever draw orrthographically

>>2921617
or maybe you know it's a troll

>>2921621
see >>2921213

>>2920982
Spent time identifying the underlying forms (cylinders, spheres, boxes)
This is what I think you should be practicing at this stage.
>>2921052
All complex forms are made of simple forms, find the simplest, add the second simplest to the first, etc.

>>2921116
You honestly just need mileage. Get used to what it feels like drawing. Try to draw something you like (it will come out terribly) draw it again, and again.
Good work with the cylinder, you understand the basic idea, now try drawing a bunch of cubes. Stack the cubes on top of each other, draw them at different angles.
>>2921119
All stylization comes from simplification and exaggeration of realistic features.
At first, build characters out of simple shapes, learn what looks good, roughly how shape balance works.
There is no substitute for classical realism, as it provides a base for arguably everything you'll need, including cartoons.
>>2921134
Looking decent for a "first timer"
You need to focus on your spacial relationships, look at the reference.
Measure the distance between landmarks such as the pupils, the bridge of the nose, the ears and make sure that they are accurate to the source material. Make sure you are drawing what is there, not what your mind tells you is there (difficult at first, easy later). I recommend drawing faces upside-down, this will force you to look at the lines themselves instead of the assumptions your brain makes about the features

>>2921151
Finish it, no matter how upsetting it seems. I think it could use more dynamicism, push the blacks a bit more.
>>2921185
A good step in the right direction with your finished product however. Try overlaying your sketch over the reference with a low opacity and see where you went wrong with the contour. Make sure not to correct your drawing until you remove it from the reference or else you wont be learning much.
>>2921232
Ambitious, which is good! Focus on developing more confident lines, anatomy. Try crazy perspective

>>2921615
>>2921610
I was speaking roughly, i probably shouldve been more clear.
I meant that if there is a gross difference in length with minimal perspective variation then the issue should be readily apparent.
Sorry for the confusion

Is Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain a meme? I've been going through it and it doesn't really seem to be helping me. It also seems like raging pseudo-intellectualism. Then again nothing really seems to be helping me. Guess I need to just keep drawing more

>>2921664
yeah right side is a bit like that. you'll like it if you are a woman or an ancom.

keys to drawing is a better equivalent.

im trying to improve my face drawing skills, how does this kekman look?

>>2921668
free drawing is only for people who have been at it for decades

do you like my style?

>>2921669
What do you mean by free hand drawing? kek

>>2921676
oh fuck i misread, nevermind
also loomis and observe realistic facial proportions

>>2921674
loomis and kys

>>2921681
Not the anatomical/rendering basis Im going for but thank you

Trying to get back into drawing. This is the first thing that came to mind. What do you guys think?

>>2921688
loomis is objectively supreme, why would you use anything else

>>2921689
You need Loomis,

>>2921693
Yeah, I'll study up on the techical know how later on. But as a first time drawing, how would you rate it?

>>2921694
Who cares, it's not good enough, so get practicing.

>>/fit/
see that?
see the dinosaur and the big fucking noticable text/image/gif to catch your eye?
we need that here

>>2921071
Looks a bit better now. Still isn't perfect, though, and you lost something appealing in the expression. The best way to fix your mistakes is not to move parts of the faulty image in Photoshop, but to redraw the same thing multiple times until you reach the best result. When you try to master art, the quantity approach ultimately beats the quality approach.

>>2921082
The form looks wrong to me, and both the forearm and the hand are broken.

>>2921692
>>2921695
Knows whats up

>>2921696
Yeah the sticky is as stale as the 2 memes we have here. Really wish someone in control would give a fuck enough to update

>>2921700
his mouth could be a lil wider but still good job!! also finish those ears!! i know ears are scary but go for it! you can do it!

>>2921597
i fixed little

OP of these threads
how do you feel about the current state of the sticky and how many new visitors manage to post without reading it?

>>2921700
Overall you did well. Mid range and detail is lacking if you want to get into it.
Also crosshatching is a good thing look it up.
>>2921689
Check out the sticky it's bretty good.
>>2921751
Feels like the right vanishing point is too low and too close. Otherwise really good.

How's this bois?

>>2921554
what progress? this is practically a symbol drawing.

>>2920982
I recognize this

Everyone here is mean

>>2921817
we give the criticisms that are needed. if you want somewhere that will celebrate your flawed mindset, there are many alternative websites such as tumblr, deviant art, facebook and 9gag. no need to thank me.

>>2921634

Not any of the OPs but this advice is A+

>tfw drawing is perfect except theres a 3 degree tilt

>>2921785

Bretty guud

Toriyama hair because I'm an unoriginal fag

What elements could I add to make the composition not boring?

>>2921854
Thanks, fellow.

>>2921868
Cast shadow maybe from something in the room?
Stronger lighting?
>>2921849
You call that perfect?
Work on your lines and those tits are a no no.

>>2921871
dont take the bait
>>2921868
make her complexion a bit more detailed/interesting. probably better to go to /draw/, beg is only useful for fundamentals.

>>2921878

How do I make a complexion more detailed? Like.. Face paint or scars or things like that? Forgive me, I've never heard of this before.

You don't think my fundamentals are lacking?

>>2921881
perhaps but you are asking about something thats beyond fundamental level.

make her face have more form. it doesnt really convey her expression. her cheekbones could be more prominent, more colour maybe. shit what do i know, im just a random /beg/.

>>2921871
okay its 90% accurate then
-3% because of the 3% tilt
-2% because of the sloppy boobs (they are actually pretty close
-5% for chicken scratch (shouldnt really count cause they are just going to get painted over anyways)

>>2921887
Your proportions are off brah.
Draw her again.

>>2921890
it literally overlays the ref exactly except for the tilt

>>2921887
From looking at the sketch in question, I can see that, 1: The pose is stiff and robotic. An interesting gesture that conveys energy and balance and feels organic is arguably the most important aspect of figure drawing sketches.

2: The structure ain't there. It looks like you're drawing what you think a body looks like, rather than drawing what you see. It causes the piece to look flat, or like a stamp. There's no foreshortening in the pose, and it looks like there should be. One knee is bent, yet the pelvis is almost perfectly vertical. That makes no sense.

3: Not that it would have saved the piece, but you didn't shade the figure to indicate the forms.

4: It's pretty evident you don't have a very extensive knowledge of anatomy. The arms are about as long as the legs, while the torso+head looks to be shorter than the legs. The proportions are all kinds of fucked up. The tits are the least of your worries.

Never think anything you've drawn is perfect. Because nothing you draw ever will be, no matter how good you get. Perfection is an abstract term. The best mindset you can have if you want to improve faster is to accept that there's always something more you could've done, and always more to learn. If you think for a moment that you've done the best that can be done, you'll stagnate.

this the overlay with the ref pic adjusted for the tilt. overall its pretty close except for the fucking tits and the head is misplaced. they looked a lot better when i was just holding it up to the screen

>>2921906
>its not buffalo bill
besides that, he's just baiting, dont bother responding

>>2921923
>its not buffalo bill

what do you mean by this

>>2921011
Bro thank you so much for introducing me to vilppu.

>>2921785

If I could be able to draw this good in 3 years, I'd feel pretty happy.

(This is me >>2921134)

>>2921634

Thanks for the advice

A guy from previous thread. I think I missed the proportions.

>>2921944
yeah you missed his forehead proportions

>>2921941
sticky and loomis and you'll get it in a year

>>2921941
Thanks for the compliment.
Yeah you could probably do it in a year if you follow the sticky.

can someone post some good examples of hair drawn only with lines?

>>2921959
It isn't hard to draw decent facial / arm / chest hair with short 1 px-wide strokes, but trust my experience: it's inefficient to try to do that for head hair and it's really hard to make it look good. And if you use thick lines for that, then prepare uranus.

Doing the Keys to Drawing by Dobson I realized that glass bottles are the fucking endboss of drawing shapes.

Seriously wtf, this is like the 5th exercise and if I REALLY did it properly I would take at least a few hours to draw a bottle with every reflection/shading.

"Allow at least twenty minutes for the drawing" kek fuck off Dobson.

No seriously, this guy opened my eyes to how complex such simple things can be. Are there objects that are more complex to draw then glass bottles that are exposed to many light sources? Does anyone have tips on how to draw things like that fast? Like I said - it would take me forever to draw it properly.

Ot should I just avoid drawing such things at all?

>>2922059
>Dobson
Lol holy shit you almost gave me a heart attack

>>2922069
because I misspelled his name accidentally?

Then I have bad news for you: you will not live long if THIS gives you heart attacks.

Anyway who cares, you know who I mean.

>>2920578

>>2921420
Nice effort! I always like solid perspective work.

>>2922077
critique please

>>2922076
>he doesnt know who dobson is
Consider yourself among the fortunate

>>2922076
Dobson is a well know cuck that can't draw

How am I doing guys? The shading is kinda botched and I've not done a serious figure drawing session in a while.

>>2921689
VAGINA BOX

>>2922081
oh okay. I don't know most internet artists. I am just drawing for myself really. (except maybe Shad or Sakimichan but who doesn't know them?)
Just looked at his work and it is okay. Just generic comic art.

>>2922090
this response is also for you >>2922084

>>2922090
this response is also for you >>2922084

>>2922090
>shad or sakimichan
Oh boy...you sure are fresh off the reddit boat arent you.

>>2922099
>tfw only internet nu-artist im aware of is shadman and i dont even want to be aware of him.

>>2922099
no I just browse 4chan. That's all your fault.
And I just know them because of them being somewhat special cases in the art world.

>>2922108
Its my fault you browse 4chan?

>>2922110
You better take responsibility fucko.

>>2922108
yes, you better take responsibility onii chan ;* ~~

>>2922110
>>2922116
>>2922120

>>2920711

Keys to Drawing project 1D, trying to overcome symbol drawing.

I found it very hard to do three quarter view, since my head would never be in the same place when i returned after looking at the drawing.

>draw leaning far back in chair.
>see everything is slanted to be longer when i peer over it
anyone else?

And anotha one. I'm not really practicing shading too much I just haven't figure drew in a while. Is it bad I don't really structure it out before drawing? I read I don't HAVE to do that.

starting out

>>2922163
sticky
op

me again

is >>2922178 symbol drawing?

>>2922182
if that question is for me, I don't know.

>>2922077
>>2922080
Start studying anatomy. The proportions of everything look off and it has the feeling of something that was copied in an attempt to match the reference. Try to construct a rough sketch first next time to make sure the proportions and gesture look OK. Your linework and value isn't terrible

>>2922077
Hey anon, can you answer a few questions to help me wrap my head around what I should expect on the path ahead

>How long does it take to get to this level?
>What books/learning resource have you studied?
>And how long did it take to draw that?
Thanks, either way.

how is this coming? i know the mask is shit, it thearea ive worked on least

>go to draw eyes from reference
>all of the references are models and are all squinting
the fuck? does squinting even look good?

I wasn't very productive today; there's only one drawing I did from life and the lack of sharpened edges makes it appear irepresentational; it was meant to be a tree. I'm starting to move into values from life before I move on to value in imaginative drawing, for obvious reasons. I mainly focsed on plotting one large shape as the local value and returning extra shadow-play for any enrichment shape that looked like it was darker, perhaps to poor effect

The main effort of the day was heads in frontal view, which I still don't understand. I'm trying to get a feel for what looks anomalous and/or alien, and what looks human (if humans aren't aliens themselves). There's a bit of likeness experimentation I tried by changing the angle of some of the planes surrounding the eye; I'm afraid the acute attention to that area has made the eyes engulf the rest of the face

>>2922299

>>2922152
even though he could be plumper, i like it :D

please help me with faces. Every time I try to push through, it gets worse.

please help me. The faces and so much anatomy... I'm a troubled soul.

How much do artists get carapal tunnel?

I've been going hard for 18 days straight with 6-7 hours each day and today I can barely move my wrist

Did I fuck up? Was I supposed to take a rest day or something?

>>2921783
Yes i will look into it. Thank you!
>>2921722
I'll do both later this weekend. Thank you!

I'm trying to learn foreshortening after a long period of depression where I didn't draw at all, and holy shit I'm bad.

>>2922396
read the sticky

Everyone always says "read the sticky" but has anyone gone from shitty to decent using the sticky? Or is it just a meme?

Before and after anyone?

>>2922396
To be expected. Keep going. Also resize the image next time.

>>2922434
Just fucking look at studies and keep drawing. I use the sticky and random other stuff that gets me to either draw useful exercises, or just makes me feel like drawing whatever crap I find fun. As long as you're doing some kind of practice consistently, with a good mindset, you'll improve.

>>2922434
It's usually said just to be a dick and not give constructive criticism. Like when they say "Blog?" they're just being an asshole. Like when they also try to deceive if you should do gesture drawings or not. It's hard to tell when these people are serious.

>>2922434
Some of the resources in the sticky are useful but really most people are going to need constructive feedback from a fresh set of eyes to correct the mistakes they might be making when using those resources.

>>2922448
you sound like a whiny bitch

>>2922448
What about when a drawing is posted that there is literally nothing good to say except "read the sticky"? Check out the catalogue right now, there's a bunch of threads where some faggot posts awful toddler-tier art and expects responses like "your shading could use some work" or "I like your style, but maybe resize the nose". These people are so lacking in self-awareness they either have to be trolls, who therefore don't deserve a detailed response, or just so hopeless they need to start from scratch and read some fucking beginners book.

>>2922434
The sticky definitely helped me. I went from symbol drawing anime looking figures and fucking around a lot to reading the books in the sticky and learning from them, applying what I learned to my drawings and improving. Why would that be a meme?

I tried to draw a self portrait and I realized that my eyes are technically too big for my face.

>>2922481
I get your point, bb. But I also get the feeling most of the people in here genuinely don't have a clue.

Which, honestly, makes sense. Because if they weren't /beg/ why would they be here?

>>2922468
I know I'm sorry :(

>>2922481
Holy shit your right, I revoke what I just said.

>>2922484
That's fucking awesome.
Blog?

I can't even draw a simple motherfucking box.
I need some serious tips.

>>2920576
>>2920577
>>2920578

>>2922544

I'm a beginner myself, I don't have the experience but I've done my research since I've just started drawing and I wanted to know the right way of learning therefore I may be able to share with you.

2 things we should work on as beginners are getting rid of symbol drawing and gaining muscle memory. Symbol drawing is drawing what the thing is supposed to look like rather than how it actually looks like. A good way to get rid of it is to draw faces, bodies etc upside down and after getting done with the drawing, flipping the paper upside down. They say it fucks up with the brain and you focus on the lines easier because upside down face makes less sense than a normal looking face which makes us go "I can't draw, also this shit is not supposed to look like this" so what we draw is influenced by the mind.

I'm currently trying to draw perfect circles, sometimes drawing some lines and try to keep drawing consecutive lines parallel to each other. Just building muscle memory. Teaching my hand to execute the inputs given by my brain. Kinda feels like playing the guitar. When I first started playing, It was too much trouble just to put enough pressure on the frets by my fingers. Now its just natural. Hope same will happen with drawing too. I've been drawing circles for the last 2 days, they've already gotten alot better.

>>2921134 This is me by the way. I suck shit too.

Good luck.

>>2922544

Download and read Ernest Norling's book on perspective in the artbook thread. Don't worry about adding detail like shadows and folds until you've improved your ability to draw basic 3d shapes in the correct perspective.

It's hard though and I'm still not there yet.

How do I draw insectoid feet?

How do I draw hands, faces, and feet?

>>2922566
>>2922573
Thank you my fellow thugs.
I'll be back later tonight with more gay ass boxes.

>>2922534
please be shitposting

>>2922589
Oh my god thicc.

Are my boxes alright? I know the perspective is a little fucked up on some of the diagonals because I was rushing but I tried my best :<

So I've been fucking with a tablet I just got

any helpful advice on lineart? i've been using the stabilizer to help me, its very nice, I assume smoother lines will come with time.

also don't worry about the drawing being a shitty dragon, i'll get right back to life drawing after I have some fun with the tablet

>>2922589
consider that the face is one of the most important things.

yours looks generally poor and very manly

how do i learn to shade digitally? also how does this look? tried to draw kakyoin from memory

>>2922601
Anon, I have the same problem you have.

This sphere of cubes really pisses me off.

>>2922544 should try ^ that shit.

>>2922609
He's a little too crosseyed for my taste

>>2922613
yeah i should fix that, im not really good at faces in general

I tried making a dinosaur eye, what can I do to make it look better?

>>2922619
give it moisture
eyes are always wet

>>2922613
tried to fix it

>>2922625
Is it literally the same picture?

Captcha: Click all images labeled "undefined"

What the flying fuck?

>>2922628
nah moved the eyes a little

>>2922612
I sort of enjoyed it! Tbh I feel like I was trying too hard to copy from the example instead of relying on my intuition so maybe next time it'll be better?

>>2922634
>so maybe next time it'll be better?

>30 tries later

>>2922606
how would you fix that?

Are there any other beginning artist discords that I can look at?

The one is the OP is dead as fuck, 1 comment a day max.

>>2922639
being cramped together with a bunch of niggers in a discord is the worst thing you can do to yourself
all you'll do is erp and procrastinate

>>2922635
I'm gonna do another one and it's gonna be a lot better. Something about the perspective in the example was bugging me and I figured it out after playing with a cube.

>>2922077

>"Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!"

>CALL NOW FOR YOUR FREE TRIAL!

>>2922709

Show me, anon. I'm curious how you figured it out.

So far I've only managed to draw like 4 of the same box leading out from the middle box and then abruptly ending with a smaller square box like "yeah I did it!" but really I didn't.

>>2922714
Ok so here's what I figured out with the diagonals, right? Something was bothering me about how the outside middle diagonals were drawn in like, almost two point perspective. The cubes all have a face normal to the center of the sphere and the example shows that each cube bisects 30 degrees of the sphere (eg 3 cubes is a 90 degree rotation). Anything in the hemisphere plane, which is the one with the four outside cube faces we see, should have a face directly pointing at the viewer in one point perspective. What I figured out is that he doesn't rotate the diagonals enough. The middle diagonals should be rotated 60 degrees around the diagonal axis, so the farthest diagonals should actually be showing their face on the bottom of the cube (the side facing inward towards the center of the circle from our perspective). If you just do all the rotations in 30 degree intervals it should come out with perfect perspective.

>>2922299
>>2922300
Holy fucking shit. I don't even want to count them. Unproductive, my ass.
Anyway, the minority of those looks okay and majority doesn't. Namely, where the eyes are too wide apart, or where they have different shape. Those two pairs of eyes and eyebrows in a slimy blob next to some boxes with exclamation points on them, they look alright, I'd say. A head to the right and below of them looks better than the ones surrounding it. The biggest heads ultimately suffer from the same problem of mislocated and different eyes (as well as the middle guy on the lowest right sheet, which is a shame). A wonky man in a profile view has an almost decent head, but work on your nose / brow ridge and cranium shapes a bit more. The guy right below the fish looks okay, I guess, but his ears could be bigger.

Overall, I'd say you now get how much of a forehead should be visible IF those heads are viewed from below. If they aren't, add more height.

>>2922619
Add more lights and green shade, maybe. Give it a beastly look.

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>>2922638
Like this

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