/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

u-uh... i'm sorry b-but co-could you p-please... *whispers in smaller voice* please let me pass...? o////o

>when you realize the secret was right in front of you all along

>>2916923
kys

>>2916903
LET MY PEOPLE GO

>>2916923
>>>/suicide/

>>2916942
Who dis? Will he get me out of my perspective rut?

>>2916926
underrated post

>>2917034
pls explain

>>2916926
>>2917034
Can you guys explain this?


>>2916903
*completely ignores you*

>>2917057
basic shapes faggot

>>2917070

primitives bruh

>>2917074
>>2917092

Explain why primatives are relevant to perspective, for a scrub like me

>>2917093
basic shapes help you understand perspective, that's really it.

>>2917094
>why are primatives relevant to perspective?
>because primatives are relevant to perspective

T-thanks

>>2917096
The idea is that you can simplify any object into primitives and eyeball/guess the more complicated parts on top of the simple forms
>>2917070
tfw drawabox guy has a job with those garbage fundamentals

>>2916923
reddit

>>2917070
it's like deadlifting 2pl8, normies think its impressive and the people at wherever he works have probably never seen a mullins piece before, much less appreciate what it takes to make one.

>>2916903
*teleports behind you*
*unsheaths handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech10.html*
pshh, nothin' personnel kid

>>2916903
oh, my old friend, are you ready for another day of sweat boxes?

>>2917070
There is nothing wrong with this perspective.

>>2917070
The values are awkward, but the perspective is ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrGZkYMXPU4

>>2916903
"You are like little baby. Watch this."

*Curvilinear 5 point perspective grid*
*Infinite point panoramic perspective grid*

"Forgive me master, for I am about to go all out..."

*Non-linear Reverse Perspective grid*

>>2917827
Meant to post pic

>>2917827
>grid

pshh, you talk big kiddo. but it looks like you're all show

You are going to love this, trust me.

What are you seeing now is my normal state.

This is a 1 point perspective.

And this. This is what is known as a perspective that has ascended past 1 point perspective.

Or you could just call it 2 point perspective.

AND THIS, IS TO GO, EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!

>>2917855
It's over 9000 vanishing points!

>>2917565
Still waiting for someone to explain why this perspective is wrong.

>>2917861
jus look at them lines. They're all fucky

>>2917876
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

>>2917880
See that one line on the top left? It should be going "whoop de wooo" but it goes "whoop de bluuu"

It's fucky

>>2917876
>>2917880
>>2917885
laughed harder than I should

>>2917861
Inconsistent horizon.

The lines of the building on the left (marked in green) and the building on the right (marked in red) should both be parallel with the ground plane.
If they're both parallel with the ground plane then the vanishing points* should be on the same horizontal horizon line, they are clearly not.

*I used the plural, points to be generous. The composition of the piece would suggest that both buildings are also parallel to each other and not just to the ground plane, which means that the lines should converge at the very same vanishing point if that were the case, not just the same horizon (which the artist couldn't even manage)

This mistake usually happens when forms are built using separate perspective set-ups. It's honestly quite strange that after drawing the horizon and vanishing points for one building, the artist would re-do a new horizon and set of vanishing points for the next building that should use the same horizon even if it was angled differently from the first.
I think what happened was they made one building, deleted their horizon and vanishing points, decided they wanted another building later on but were too lazy to make sure its perspective matched properly with the rest of the scene and just haphazardly plopped it in.

But something even stranger is the top lines of the left-side building (marked in blue) not matching the rest of the lines of that building when they should be parallel.
Seriously I can't explain this one. I just don't know.

>>2917911
retard, the horizon is the eye level of the character at the gate standing. You can find it simply by taking to locations and converging at a guesstimation. Stop being stupid for just a second. His perspective, while not super accurate (doesn't have to be) isn't wrong.

>>2917914
Thank you for completely missing the point.
Every line that runs parallel with the ground plane, regardless of its angle, should converge to the same horizon line as every other line that's parallel to the ground plane.
It literally is wrong.

>>2917911
I see now. There are different horizons. Thank you.

>>2917914
I'll say though what makes it off to the eye are the figures in the foreground. They aren't in proper scale and to make it convincing he needed to go bigger on the house on the left. That is probably why when you draw the lines it looks like he's compensating to fit everything in the picture for the sake of fitting things in the picture. This is the issue here.

>>2917917
>Every line that runs parallel with the ground plane, regardless of its angle, should converge to the same horizon line
No.

>>2917920
Holy kek.
How about you prove it then?
You do know that the horizon line is defined by the angle of the ground plane?

>>2917926
I'm retarded I got to go eat lunch.

>perspective
>not just using an orthogonal projection matrix

Orthographic is more realistic anyways.

>>2917070
The perspective is decent. The proportions of all the characters are wonky.

>>2917926

who is that riley?

>>2917917

I love when artists try to get technical. Bro, I hate to break it to you, but you make art not geometry. No one gives a shit if your perspective is off. In fact, that is something that is encouraged in art because... it's art, fiction, fantasy. You know... not real. You don't parallel lines. You don't need to be precise. No one dies if you fuck up on your perspective. You have confused thinking when you expect for something that is fictional to be lifelike.

>>2918192
It's not whether you want to get technical or not.

After drawing for long enough you become extremely sensitive to these kind of things.

>>2918219
>after drawing for long enough you become extremely sensitive to these kind of things

Wow. Life must be hard walking around seeing all these bad drawings everywhere with wrong perspective. How do you cope?

>>2918246
Posting on /ic/.

>>2916903
first time this retarded meme made me laugh

>>2917847
>>2917849
>>2917852
>>2917855
why are u doing this to me

>>2917855

Where's the curvaliniar perspective?

>>2918192

People like you are both funny, and fucking sad. You worthless piece of garbage, would you stop making up excuses and grind fundamentals for fucking once in your life?

Perspective is B.A.S.I.C. Take your ''but muh art'' bullshit somewhere else.

Not today, smarty pants!

But seriously, lectures 16-20 fucking when, Erik Olson 1-10 are amazing and even 11-15 are pretty good, probably the best perspective tutorials out there.

>>2919599
never

>>2916964

It's Erik Olson. His course on NMA is incredible.

I have a question: Can anyone learn perspective, even if they're "bad" at it? I really want to make gorgeous environments and crazy compositions, but I have the fear I'll never be good as other people who have a natural leaning towards it, much less as good as the artists I love.

>>2919588
this anon knows what's up

>>2919594
it's you the one who's never going to even get close to kjg if you still use perspective with straight lines

>>2919825
that's like asking if you can build muscle or not

do you have all your limbs? can your joints move? does all your nerves work? then yes, you can body build

do you have all your brain intact? can you think? does your brain get blood? then yes, you can learn anything other human learned

>>2919625
Woah, that's a shame. He sounds really disappointed... I hope he didn't get cheated out on anything.

>>2919825
If you dont "get" it do robertson. You just gotta learn some step by step techniques. It's boring and a lot of work, but you can't go wrong with it.

>>2917835
this is fucking with my brain so badly

>>2919625
fug, what are NMA doing

>>2919625
Wtf i hate NMA now.

>>2919825

Dude, what the fuck do you think Perspective is? It's not fucking magic, it's literally just another skill you learn and apply.


What in the fuck is wrong with you guys, we are talking Perspective, not fucking quantum mechanics.

>>2920225

Just shut the fuck up. Please, just stop. No one wants your uneducated and defeatist opinion, stop staining the pool of knowledge with your bullshit. The only thing you're doing is making newfags more confused.

>>2920225
ngmi

>>2920225
>he fell for the "art is all about feelings!" meme
lol

>>2917880
compare left building's line to right building's line

>>2920430
>>2920433
>>2920446
>it's a known fact extremes are bad
>''mah fundamentals'' extremists attacking me because they confuse me with '' mah emotions'' extremists
>not knowing in art there is a middle ground and kjg is the best example we got up to date of that

>>2920454
>wanting to learn the fundamentals is an 'extreme' belief
Only in the arts are people allowed to get away with this bullshit. Could you imagine if a chemist said, "but i don't wanna learn the periodic table, it's boring!"

>>2920454

No one here has claimed emotions don't play a role and that you shouldn't seek a balance.

Don't strawman me.

>>2920463
learning the fundamentals is a good thing, abusing them to the point the work becomes stiff is a fundamental taken to extreme
>>2920464
and yet you put me in the same group of ppl who have
>defeatist opinions

>>2920468

>and yet you put me in the same group of ppl who have defeatist opinions

Because that's exactly what this post I was responding to, shows.

>>2918192

>>2920471
let me point it to you once more
>''mah fundamentals'' extremists attacking me because they confuse me with '' mah emotions'' extremists
>not knowing in art there is a middle ground and kjg is the best example we got up to date of that

>>2920471
and to add something else, let me point it to this anon>>2919588

>>2920473
>>2920474

And I'll say it again, no one here is a fundamental extremist, as no one has denied emotion is an important part of art.

That Anon is me. Curvaliniar perspective is still perspective, so I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

>>2919825

Perspective is just knowledge. Learn it.

>>2920468
>knowing that parallel lines go toward the same vanishing point
>fundamentals taken to extreme

Holy kekkers batman

>>2916903
Let's do this.

>>2916903
i swear wanna be artists are the most retarded kind of people.

perspective construction is fairly easy to understand, just exceedingly cumbersome to be included in a normal workflow.

That's why 3d modeling software is a thing.

>>2920588
Stop being stupid.

>>2920588
This. If you can understand perspective, you probably have some serious cognitive disorder, aka. retardness.

>>2920588
> just exceedingly cumbersome to be included in a normal workflow
ngmi

>>2917835
what the bull fucking hell

>>2920468
>abusing them to the point the work becomes stiff is a fundamental taken to extreme

You are supposed to know the rules before you can break them.

>>2917835
I would love to play a video game with reverse perspective.

OP's pic is trash and has no theory of perspective. Good perspective will use thinner outlines as the object recedes into the background and the values will grey out. Those are two very basic attributes of perspective completely ignored by OP's pic.

>no one in /ic/ pointing this out
>fucking casuals

>>2920851
that doesn't matter for the OP pic though

>>2916926
holy shit

>>2919625
Fucking retards

Sure I would love another fucking hack teaching anatomy when Vilppu is enough.

>>2920332
>>2920647
It's the idea that the camera itself partakes as a vanishing point on the horizon. So all parallel lines converge to your exact spot...aka Lines converge in the "reverse" than regular perspective.
If that makes any sense.

>>2920961
So you are saying that that perspective is correct? What the fuck?

That just can't be true

>>2917070
damn the more i look at it the more pissed i get

Times like these I realize how autistic I am

>>2920228
Don't worry, he's always like that.
He teaches at my school and he is one of those guys who always manages to talk in the most complex way possible. Like, for example rather than calling students Sophomores or Juniors, he talks to students as "Fifth Term" or "Third Term" students.
Idk constantly rambles on about Art Center and has a dark humor, but he's a cool guy and really honest about everything. Though, I don't think he gets much work outside of teaching, so he likes to talk about his glory days living in Cali.
Super smart and has endless knowledge and has a sort of magic-touch to "unlocking" the "secrets" of illustration.

Okay enough shilling.

>>2920970
xth term is more proper. some people have to stay in school longer than 4 terms. 5th term sounds a lot better than "Super Senior"

>>2920967
Yeah it's weird
Here's a video that someone programmed a camera to render things in such a way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMSEJwbCCY
Here's a vid explaining it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrcPtu8JIys
And the wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_perspective

I remember reading sometime in the past that old painters would use this technique as a way to sort of "visually represent" how god would see the world...in the sense that "they are the center of the world" or something along those lines; I can't remember exactly.

>>2917835
>>2920983
I like the use of the steep hill to limit how many objects can be in the fuckhueg in the distance

>>2920975
Yeah true, but I think he mixes Term with Semester, rather than a whole academic year.

Dang maybe he just uses xth Semester rather than term. I only had him once and that was my 3th semester there, now it's my 7th. Time flies man.

>>2920983
I couldn't understand why the cars kept growing the further away they were but now I realize how dumb I am fuck. That shit is cool

>>2920983
This is really disturbing.

>>2918192
your a nigger

>>2922147
What a unique and fresh perspective