/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

So it's more about planning then whether or not you can draw a straight line right?

>>2868400

Knowledge, understanding and critical thinking is the basis. You can always find a way to draw a straight line. At least that's what it looks like to me.

Must be why all the pros always use thumbnail sketches, they plan ahead and see how its going to go down before investing hours into a product.

How do I render?

>>2868400
It's more about understanding than anything else.

>>2868407

Like this

>>2868407
rendering if the least of your problems

How to get the most out of Perspective with Erik Olson?

>>2868422
By actually using what he teaches you

>>2868422

Grind grind grind grind grind, get the fuck out of this place. Just grind.

>>2868406
>>2868411

Thank god, that makes me feel a lot better about how much rubbing out I do.

w-welp
i start painting this
>>2865996
but im too scared to post it because everyone is just going to say loomis, sticky, study more, bad colors, stop posting every exercise etc

>>2868445
If you're not proficient in painting, it's inevitable to get criticism. Although, if you already know what to improve, don't post it and spare us the time please.

>>2868446
kek okay ill keep it to myself then and not burden everyone

so should i strat with gesture and follow with anatomy or try to mix them or anatomy first and figure last?

>>2868450
Do all of them at once, they work together like yarn. Musubi.

>>2868452
Another d/ic/khead from Hawaii!

>>2868452
ok ill try to learn mixing lessons

>>2868415
the rendering looks so crisp :o

I've been drawing for 7 hours straight and my hand feels weak, like when I am dizzy and it kinda hurts. Eeerm, I am not willing to stop so...any suggestions?

>>2868476
Stop because this is the road to ngmi by RSI.
Pretty sure most people go through this and think oh well it's okay, might as well keep going.
Nah, big mistake, take a break even if you don't want to, take it anyways.

>>2868479

Aight, I'll take a 30 minute break.

>>2868415
Is this from a book or something? Pls give info

>>2868388
What the hell? Does this guy have 3 legs?

>>2868595
mr blank's dick isn't that big, anon

>>2868595

Looks like a loaf of bread, but his cock is almost as big as his foot. Now that's some mind-fucking thing.

okay i lose. i need some input. does this look uncanny? i know i still have tons to do but in terms of drawing does it look like a not shit face? also im away i need to enlarge the eyes i guess i have a tendency to draw them a bit too small

How's this?

>>2868604
Until you start doing serious portraits from life, your imagination portraits will always be shit because you don't know how anything works. Also read the sticky to deal with that symbol drawing

>>2868607
benis nose :DDD

>>2868608
can you answer the specific question? can you not tell from the basic brush strokes in the hair that im clearly still working on things and have a long way to go such as pushing details in the symbol areas? iasked if it was uncanny or not. not "what do i need to do"

but ill look into portraits from life sometime in the future as ive never drawn anything human from life

>>2868604
>>2868614

>does this look uncanny?

Yes, it looks uncanny

>>2868616
shit okay thanks

>>2868623

Look dude, you can drop the shitty attitude now and understand we are all putting in hard work into this and most of the time our shit looks bad. It's part of the process, taking everything personally won't get you anywhere.

Accept you're shit, just like us. keep drilling fundamentals and move on.

>>2868609
fugg

How are my color choices? Specifically was playing around with skin tone, but I'm not certain what I was doing much. Does the skin color "work" aesthetically? Added an inset for more detail of the face.

>>2868629
i was being pissy because whoever answered literally addressed stuff i sorta implied i dont want addressed at all

>>2868638
If you only want the answer you want to hear, go to tumblr.

>>2868639
thats not was that was about. it was about the question i wanted answered, wasnt being answered. and things that i implied im not interested were being addressed. it just unnecessarily stifles the discussion

>>2868635
Your contrast in values is way too high.

>>2868641
You haven't learned fundamentals of construction properly and you're already trying color and values. It looks uncanny not only because the values are shit, but because the construction sucks. Read about symbol drawing instead of trying to replicate the reference, since you aren't seeing the underlying structure of a three-dimensional volume.

Can I get a crit? Specifically composition but anything else is welcome

>>2868680
oops. i posted the sketch in the last /beg/ and they just said symbol drawing so i thought the construction was fine. wpuld itbe better to do greyscale before going into color

Anyone here done Erik Olson's perspective drawing course? Do you really get a lot from just grinding those lessons?

which books are best for anatomy
im trying brigman right now but i dont really get what he's trying to do

>>2868709
>wpuld itbe better to do greyscale before going into color
It would undoubtedly be better.

It would be far better to stick with line first.

>>2868716

Considering perspective is the core fundamental skill for any draftsman, I think so. Grinding perspective and internalizing seems like a top priority for anyone who wants to gid gud, honestly.

I've been practicing anatomy for a few weeks
I'd like some feedback on what I'm still doing wrong

Don´t know what to think about...

>>2868741
>practicing anatomy
lol
first off stop with the anime shit
second get on loomis
third do more life drawings

>>2868754
I've been using figure drawing for what it's worth I haven't gotten very far yet though

Working on ktd

>>2868758
do fun with a pencil

today's little batch

>>2867795
i usually struggle with making things look 3d so I try to draw it more box like to imply it. Is there anything you could suggest to make it more 3d? Would shading help?

>>2867965
yeah you're right about the scratchy lines part, I try not to but my tablet has a really smooth surface so it's hard to control. I think I get what you mean, as in the shoulder is flat at best and if they are raised above that the person is standing stiff or intentionally raising them.

I tried implementing some of the feedback, although I feel like I should just try drawing something else as the fundamental aspects of the drawing are messed up.

Thanks for the feedback, regardless.

>>2868741

Your foundations are shit. Start with keys to drawing first, learn construction and form, watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

There's a lot of bullshit involved before you can convincingly draw dem animay tittays. This is only a start.

>>2868784
>literally shitting bricks

>>2868789
ahah yeah, was trying to do the robo bean (it's shit) and it really end funny

>>2868681

floppy ass gun.

More ktd

>>2868532
I second this

>>2868788
You're right I might be jumping the gun starting with this book
Thanks

>>2868681
horrible tangent

Just doing the beginner drawabox stuff and I noticed I wasn't really getting any better at freehand lines and ellipses and stuff. Was kind of just mindlessly following the exercises and repeating the same mistakes over and over, so I slowed down and actually started paying attention to my muscle movements and it seemed to help.

I've been trying to do some figure drawing. This is like one out of multiple files that I've created, but I feel like something is lacking. Any types on anything? Ways to improve or anything else I should be studying at the same time as figure drawing?

Here are some sketches, critique even the tiniest mistake.
(Fucking phone flipping the image)

>>2868635
That priest looks like he is going super saiyan.

>>2868859
You could try and draw them all in perspective. Like people on a big plaza.

>>2868422
The main thing is to write notes and draw the diagrams, even if you think you know that shit 100%

>>2868874
First of all rotate the bloody image, you can do it in paint for fucks sake.
Make your lines darker along with the shadows. The ear has too many line-segments, redraw the lines to be curved instead of having many short straight lines. The eye looks like you used too many straight lines there as well, also work on the eye lashes and eye brow, the brow shouldn't look so neat, hair curves and changes thickness. The eyelashes shouldn't just be a series of 'X's, look at how they're facing, they shouldn't be constantly cris-crossed. Above the lips you should make the divet more pronounced; it's actually a hard crease but looks too soft but this could be the result of the light source which is not at all clear for the lips & nose aside from being above the nose. The viewrs right side of the upper lip is also large than the left and the bottom of the lips have too faint of a line to distinguish. Over all you need to work on making lines and shadows darker and to make your line-work curve more naturally.

There's this thing that I've always been able to do with my eyes and I've realized it's really helpful for art - if I'm copying a photo I blur my vision at will and it becomes really easy to see my mistakes (meaning it 'overrides' my symbol-vision and everything turns to shapes). Anyone else do this?

>>2868925
sounds like you have a superpower anon
>>2868604
eric, we've already given you enough advice. ditch colour for now and work on your lines. the best thing for you to do right now is draw some loomis heads and then post them here.

>>2868887
Alright then

Anyone else have anything more to add? I heard there was an importance of studying multiple things,

I'm kinda looking for a overall course or outlook of things to do I don't want to get lost on the road to study

>>2868391
Oh, that perspective was more difficult than I expected, the straight standing leg was the most confusing part about it.
Any critique would be great, I can't even tell if I got that perspective right.

Please, critique
What am I doing wrong?

>>2868964
I'm gonna guess that you need to plan the contour of the entire body more carefully before concerning yourself with details - nice hatching tho.

Critique please.


Also any recommendations for good anatomy study vidoes?
Thank you.

I tried to draw bear with Aaron Blaise's tutorial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0jRyhXur-o

rate

second day of drawabox. i was expecting this to really drag, but listening to youtube videos and music and being at least a bit mindful when doing this makes it actually kinda fun.

>>2868383
C-can I make it with this time allotment guys?

>>2869060
Nope.

>>2869060
ditch one i would recommend but if you feel you have the will to juggle those three things at once then go for it. i would recommend choosing one art and forgo the other (music) else you run the risk of making mediocre progress on both.

>>2869060
yeah, just stop coming to /beg/, set realistic standards and don't fall for the Loomis meme.

Is it cheating to use a transparent sheet to find the midpoint and top/bottom/left/right-most points like in pic related?

>>2869075
No

is this too shitty?

>>2869064
I would but I'm really torn on also doing music. I dropped foreign language though.

>>2869095
>dropping Japanese
What is wrong with you

>>2869098
kek

>>2869098
H-how did you know?

I actually dropped Russian. I wasn't learning it for political reasons, I just figured it's obscure enough where I live to talk mad shit to people without them knowing.

>>2868681
Are you moonman ??

>>2869105
>non-latin
ouch
which is the higher art to you? drawing or music?

Do you start your ellipses in the middle or the corner?

>>2869109
at the straightest part i do.
that pic looks like a poor decision

>>2869108
I'm extremely torn on this.
I've been putting off getting gud at art since I was 11 and I want to cut the bullshit now, but music is like a magical level of influence for me. Music is pretty difficult to even describe how great it can feel finding a song I like, but I'm very prone to tying a lot of emotion to music.

Songs sort of anchor emotions better than artwork, I suppose.

>>2869109
That all depends on where the ellipse is being drawn

I just can't get the motivation to finish a sketch. I've barely even been drawing nowadays.
I'm not gonna make it, lads.

>>2869171
>complaining on /ic/ like a child instead of fixing the problem
reported

>>2869080
Okay so the first thing I notice is that it's too grey. You lose the form when it's too grey because you're not conveying the darks/lights enough. Remember that the body can be broken down into planes where light hits directly, indirectly, to not at all.

I did a paintover of your drawing. I'm still new at this myself, so I can't say mine is totally correct, but I think it helps convey the shape of the form a little better. It's hard to tell where your light source is but if we assume it's on the left like this, then we can see that the light hits directly the highlighted areas, then gradually recedes to darker values as the planes of the body move away from facing direct light.

If you push your values a little more, add more contrast, your drawing will start to look more 3d. Also, remember that there are no black scratches on the body, just value changes. So there should be a lot more blocking in of values on the body rather than small patchy areas of black lines.

>>2869171

It's time for plan M, pal. Modafinil.

>tfw Canada

My birthday is coming up... I'm going to ask my family to pitch in with me to buy this and that'll be my gift, I don't care if it's not how birthday gifts go.

>>2869229
I hope you're drawing

>tfw Canada

My birthday is coming up... I'm going to ask my family to pitch in with me to buy this and that'll be my gift, I don't care if it's not how birthday gifts go.

oh, on that subject. anyone have experience with second hand tablets? a good choice?

>>2869235
Wacom Small is great

>>2869232
lmao

>>2869238

Uh...no it's not

>>2869232
buy it at a rebate on kijiji. got me a large pro for 400$ tax included 8 months back. you can do the same.

>>2869232
>digital art
don't fall for the meme

>>2869313
got a good solution to vanishing points? construction lines? viable erasing?

alright, i said a while ago that i dont normally post this early into something but i will because in this case i think it might help.

known problems:
the extremes can look too similar
its all a bit shit
some in particular

anything else? what do i need to know?

>>2869323
an eraser that comes with your pencil

don't fucking fall for the tablet meme if you're a beginner - you're only going to have buyer's remorse when in 6 months you haven't improved as fast as you would traditionally

>>2869329
You should try finding references and drawing them.

>>2869331
everyone on lineofaction and referencedotcom are numale flabby milquetoasts. i want to draw ideal depictions like the greeks did.

>>2869343
That's why you go find really good refs.

>>2869344
http://aryanism.net/culture/aesthetics/human-beauty/

>>2869232
I have this tablet and I am very satisfied with it.

>>2869350
kek

Anyone feel like gesture is a waste of paper? What do you guys do to save paper? Besides from going digital.

>>2869361
>waste of paper
>when paper is waste itself

>>2869361
shouldnt need to.
refer to the thousand of sheets for a tenner from amazon

>>2869361
of all the things to go frugal on, paper is not one of them

>>2868383
I posted here two weeks ago asking for help with my comics - luckily you guys actually helped me (thanks again).

So I just kinda wanted to show my progess... 2 weeks of intense fundamental learning, watching how movies are framed and so on... this was the old thread >>2851670

So yeah kids... 2-4 hours of fundamental learning a day can help... thought I know... still a long way ahead and all.

The comic is sized down massively to fit the 1000 pixel size.

Basically from here http://pre04.deviantart.net/6d1e/th/pre/i/2017/038/e/a/star_wars___first_order_tales___the_invasion_20_by_dalsifodyas-day879o.png to here http://img04.deviantart.net/2fb5/i/2017/051/f/1/star_wars___first_order_tales___the_invasion_21_by_dalsifodyas-dazsic3.png

Thanks again.

>>2869361
I steal missprints from work. Generally copy paper is best for these exercises.

>>2869209
Thanks a lot, will try to do it again following your example

>>2869329
Don't squish the heads so much - your starting circles seem to bee off a lot of the time - since they are the basis of the heads this seems to mess up everything else.

What DO you think i did it at the same time

>>2869381
Had a seizure?

>>2869377
starting circles were done with a compass. they are perfect.

>>2869385
But your heads lose so much depth and mass when they look up - thought that's pretty much the exact same size (with the sides cut off) of the starting circle. Let's ask good old Loomis for help.

>>2869388
i get that im shit but i dont think the starting circle is the problem.

heres a comparison, not sure what im meant to learn from it though.

>>2869392
The underside of the chin is not a flat plane, when the head goes up you can see some of the roundness.

I'm a beginner and I learned this shit back in the proko head videos, I suggest you check the head from extreme angle videos.

>>2869392

Check the Proko head construction video. He explains Loomis' method.

Right now you're not drawing the form as a 3D form. The proportions are also off. The circle is meant to mark the thirds of the face. The circle's center line marks the brow, the bottom the nose, and the top is the hairline.

You shouldn't be starting your circles with a compass either. Rely on making circles yourself as well as you can. Which sounds ridiculous, but it's another part of the process anyway. Shoot a circle out with your compass and keep trying to replicate it over and over.

>>2869406
>tfw you need someone to explain Loomis' methods to you.
Really?

>>2869394
>>2869406
quickly bashed this one out again

>>2869392
I personally prefer the soft "t" over the "cross (+) - since the forehead is round anyway. Your chin area and cheekbone are running away and the circle for the side area is too small and a bit missplaced. I tried to outline it roughly but that's all the concentration/motivation I can muster at 3am.

>>2869410

I don't know how to take that.

The Loomis method is deceptively simple. At the end of the day you're still drawing and places shapes and then drawing faces, which are complex and difficult.

That someone would be having trouble with it is expected.

I'm not trying to be insulting or anything. I may have misread.

>>2869416
thank you very much for the effort. its a tad tough to understand your "t"s and "+"s but i get it mostly.

irl studies seem to be helping. i'll work on those features. is the circle size arbitrary or is there a way to know how to place it?

>>2869417
I'd say even with Loomis - even with someone explaining it - just looking right takes some time.

I've been working through "drawing with the right side of the brain" all weekend and besides the nonsensical war between Left and Right Brain-Side, the "drawing something on the head" exercises really helped me to just learn how to look properly. Generally great emphasize on explaining how hard it is to simply copy what you are seeing.

>>2869423
I think one of the greatest parts about art is learning that you don't have to copy everything you do. Of course, you don't get to that stage anytime soon, but it's much more fun when you do.

>>2869421
Went downstairs to get my trusty Hampton book. I think he explains it nicely. Especially what i ment with the t and the cross.

Any truth to this?
>>2869418

I've been thinking about doing his course. I've heard both praise and people saying it's too much. Are there any before and after about there or comments from people who've gone through with it?

>>2869424
Once you have your fundamentals down go and be wild and creative - but until that point is reached copying real life is the best way to get better.

>>2869428
Very few people have gone all the way through with it, but the ones that do are really good at perspective. However, they kind of suck at anything else. So take it as you will.

>>2869433
would you say that perspective beyond the very basics is a meme in this day considering that we have photoshop with advanced warping tools?

>>2869428

I went through with it. He does a lot of lingering on lessons by repetition.

He does not get to three point.

Vandruff is a quick course and isn't very concise. It's a good introduction. You can get through with it rather quickly. Take notes. It wouldn't hurt, at all, to run through Vandruff. Especially as a beginner.

>>2869437
Perspective isn't really this set thing that you can use so simply with something like photoshop. It's about understanding the world around you and in your mind so that you can accurately represent onto the page you're drawing on. It's a lot of mental work that if you learn, can apply to everything else you come across. Frankly, learning perspective just by itself is a bit dry though and boring without applying it to anything. So draw from life along side with it and it'll help a lot especially with relational angles.

>>2869437

If you go to FZD school of Design website and check the syllabus for the 1 year diploma, you'll see ''To learn perspective, even the most advanced concepts that are not usually taught by schools''.


So yeah, perspective is one of those things you gotta know inside and out, and challenge yourself to understand it by doing crazy projects like 30 or 40 hour long works where you map a house/temple/city that you use a reference (not copying, but as a guide)..etc all correctly in perspective with a shit ton of detail. That's how they get so gud so quickly. If I asked you to draw me a car perfectly in perspective, could you do it? Or would you get lost in the grid? If yes, then great, go learn something else, if no. Well, time to keep grinding brah.

>>2869437
>>2869476

By the way, pic related is what I am talking about. This is a final exercise in perspective done to end Term 1 in FZD. They take like 20 hours or more to do.

That's what all of us should be striving to be able to do, if we want to get gud insanely quick.

>>2869477
I don't think a single artist on /ic/ or even a fraction of people in art school can do this kind of work.

>>2869477
That thing in the foreground looks horribly out of perspective, maybe it's tilted idk

>>2869481
Yeah the little cylinder thing the spire is sitting on looks a little off.
>>2869479
It's a good display of perspective but I honestly think you're over estimating the skill it takes to do that.

>>2869479

Even more reason to do it. Imagine how insanely fast you git gud if you strive to understand perspective all the way and pull shit like that. Maybe I'll take you a couple months, but once you go it, everything else you'll learn will become easy as shit, cause perspective is the core for everything else.

I am jumping on the boat, I suck. I've spent 4 hours already trying to build a lighter perfectly in perspective using a reference and it still sucks, but shit, I ain't going to give up. You say most people wouldn't be able to do this, but who many are willing to put 20 or 30 hours into a project like this?


>>2869481

Looks alright to me, but here's another one

>>2869477
its just a shit ton of time spent lining to the vanishing points.

you could do it in photoshop with a mouse and the straight line tool. you could even do it in paint.

>>2869485
How do you know they spent 20-30 hours on this anyways?

Can I get some advice on how to break down a pose like this?

When doing gesture I usually don't have that much trouble since it's not hard to find the landmarks of the body but with poses like this I can hardly see any of the points I use and I can't even begin how to understand where the spine goes.

>>2869486

Look dude, you just gotta go to the FZD website and see the ''before and after'' of the students that go there. This is the type of shit they do there. Let me remind you these are not done by copying photos, they are thought out, planned out and sketched in perspective with the only guidance of your knowledge and some references.

The amount of information you internalize when you go though these works, it's what later on allows them to sketch anything from imagination.

>>2869479
do you mean to say even the top 10% on /ic/ doesn't understand 3-point

>>2869491

>http://fengzhudesign.blogspot.com.es/2011/06/perspective.html

Here you go.

Another figure. Critiques welcome.

oops, forgot to resize. Here it is. Critiques welcome.

>>2868925
yeah i do this as well, much better than having to actually squint

>>2869051
that's beary gud man. you nailed it.

>>2869494
mate, i just did a rough sketch of that without construction. it basically recreates the scene but in 3 minutes not 40 hours spent drawing lines to dots. im not sure doing all that menial stuff is worth the inexcusable amount of time spent on it. sure it makes something nice on a website that advertises the course but i dont think it has value.

>>2869502

So what if you did a rough sketch of something you had your own on to see? Can you do one without copying?

What's here to argue mate, just look at the before and after of these guys. I am out to keep griding out that fucking lighter till it's perfect, then I'll move into a harder subject

>http://fzdschool.com/entertainment-design/before-and-after

>>2869507
Not defending the other guy but you do know they use a shit ton of reference right? That room wasn't made from scratch.

>>2869507
i could see it sure but its just boxes lad. you can place those boxes in any layout or arrangement you find aesthetic. a lot of those guys just have more complete things. the actual perspective knowledge isnt greatly better.

take this guy. its relatively the same style of landscape its just in the painting the far stuff is washed out white in mist so it looks further away. a few other polishing techniques too make it better but the perspective is there in the old one. lining to the VP for 40 hours didnt help him paint that, it was learning to value, colour, polish etc.

>>2869494
>tfw someone is able to do this only after two months

>>2869515

I've been reading about their experience in the school, and it's a meat grinder. Most don't even sleep more than 3 hours and they get insane amounts of homework and boring, tedious projects like the 20-40 hour perspective posted up there. But that's how get they so gud so quickly.


Gotta go robot mode.

>>2869516
Did you just find out about FZD?

>>2869516
Got a blog to follow your progress?

>>2869520

I knew about them for a few years, but never gave them much thought. I did realize yesterday that maybe if I am willing to put in the 10h hour work a day thing following their syllabus, I'll actually see some real improvement instead of fucking around sketching random shit and never going anywhere.

>>2869521

No, I don't have any. I am always in this thread though. Anyhow, back to the lighter, I won't be posting for a while.

>>2869525
>I am willing to put in the 10h hour work a day thing following their syllabus
coolio. Keep us updated on w/e you're doing.

>>2869525
So are you setting one week deadlines on yourself too? As well as doing 4 classes at a time? What is that like if you do 4-20 hour projects, that's like 80 hours a week? Plus lecture and practice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6qaPxf7EV4

>>2869554

and uhh heres a woodcut of bryn athyn cathedral thats on route to my college im working on :v

>>2869477
>>2869485
>>2869494
If I were to construct things like this traditionally, should I be using a ruler? I feel like there's debate for both sides. Using a ruler focuses puts you on autopilot but you can focus solely on perspective. Freehanding it seems better for the long term (along the lines of Scott Robertson, Dynamic Sketching, etc.) but the emphasis is less on the fundamentals of perspective and more on getting your lines right, which in the same is also a good skill I guess.

>>2869563
>not using ink and freehand so that if you mess up you have to start all over
How they do it is still beyond me, I guess patience.

>>2869562

n lastly a figure study from a live model class im taking

>>2869563

For such a big project there is no shame in using a ruler, I am certain they use one. The student who wrote the blog I shared earlier says they are done with a ruler in A3 paper.

Freehand perspective is of course incredibly useful, but I suspect that's more of a ''let's increase our work-rate kinda skill''. As long as you are applying the new found knowledge of perspective, and actually understand it. I can't imagine how using a ruler is an issue at all.

>>2869568

no dummy just paint on glass or plastic

then just put a piece of paper on top of it so it prints in reverse

its called a monoprint, look it up
you can edit your ink lines beforehand 100% so its almost digital like

>>2869580
>monoprint

you can get some neat stuff

>>2869582

>>2869493

>>2869595
Grats

John Kricfalusi is able to draw one picture of a log in mere 2 minutes while I struggle to even draw proper shapes, what gives? I'm trying to draw stuff like he does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AhEBEWEZY4

>>2869601
Do you know how many logs he has drawn in his life?

>>2869595

I really like the hair

Here's another figure. I ran out of space for her feet. And I tried to make her look like a character from a series.

>>2869618
That's some good stuff. Got a blog? Hope you get good and do more sexy girls.

>>2869619
Thanks! Not yet, but I'll start one later when I have more stuff to post.

>>2868922
Thanks for the response, btw the image isn't flipped on my phone but 4chan just flips it himself.

>>2869637
who is this 4chan??

>>2869644

>Not knowing the most notorious 300 pound hacker on Earth

Drew this on the train while commuting to and from work. Phone on one hand, pencil in the other.
Not happy with the result, but I would not have practiced had I spent the commute sleeping like most people do.
I'll spend some days doing life drawing of other passengers now.

>>2869687
looks good m8, what's not to like? even more impressive that you did this on the train.

How do you guys draw for hours without fucking up your back? I have a decent chair, try difficult stretches/take breaks. Use to be able to draw for long periods of time and now I am taking breaks after every 30 minutes. Does this happen to anyone else on /ic/

>>2869708

Yep, and my hand is even worse

>>2869708
I bet you lean on the table. Buy a board and place it diagonally between your lap and the table

Starting to practice realism.

>>2869562
>:v
Fuck off, retard

>>2869687
>>2869795
FUCK OFF THIS PLACE IS FOR BEGINNERS

>>2868964
>dem lumps
Looks like you're exaggerating the curves too much, compare how concave you've made your contours to the reference, it should be more subtle.

Does anybody know where I can find skull references of different races? Or maybe not necessarily different races but skulls of people who have really pronounced features like for example someone with a really pronounced roman nose compared to some nigger or chink who doesn't have that kind of pronounced nose bridge.

I want to fully understand the extreme forms the human skull can take.

>>2869043
Looks pretty nice actually. The nose doesn't look symmetric, looks squished and drooping on her left side compared to her right. Also above her upper lip on her left it looks a bit flatter than her right, try lighting the shadow right below the nose to make it seem a little rounder like the other side.

>>2869060

As a former college masochist I say build up your endurance and keep going until your body is so fucked you naturally become more efficient with your work, 7 hours of sleep and 3 for food is a fuck ton, learn to eat while doing work and focus on certain activities in a day. You lose time switching topics. Screw the pansies saying you can't do this, just don't dip below 3 hours of sleep more than every 2 days and you'll be able to recover your sleep debt on the weekends.

>>2869323
you place a dot on the fucking page, draw the lines and use a good eraser you pleb.

>>2869822
Pol

>>2869828
I alloted so much time for "food" because it also includes hygiene and getting exercise. It's really just "other".

>>2869492
You're just struggling with fore-shortening, you can see the shadow indicating the spine, you can tell the plane of the pelvis and the direction the legs and arms are in. Don't get hung up on the length of the lines, just visualize the body as boxes in 3d.

>>2869494
>>2869485
>>2869477
As nifty as these are it seems more like just tedious repetition since there are still obvious mistakes; the cylinder thing in >>2869477 being tilted, the corner of the roof looking conical with inconsistent contour lines in >>2869485, the back of the heads in >>2869494 looking like they were copy and pasted so they look like they'r not facing forward. I mean sure they're cool but perspective is rather simple in principle and can be done almost entirely with a ruler and simple drawing skills.

>>2869498
The thigh and the lower leg seem offset from one another; look at the line divided by her arm to see what I mean. The shoulder seems a little odd but I'm not positive, clean up the line work at her shoulder blade. Her ear looks like internet explorer which I don't think it should and the hair by her neck is too parallel making the perspective there seem wrong. Otherwise good form especially the hands considering charcoal is a pain to use for details.

>>2869554
kek, anime faces in this style look so absurd. You need actual noses and mouths and to resize those eyes.

>>2869644
Is this bait, I can't believe you's ask who he is, this must be bait.

>>2869855

Don't be so quick to dismiss such a project just because it is based on ''basic perspective knowledge''. There's many skills that go into seeing a project like that into completion, besides planning, perspective, research and understand of refrences and it's cultural significance..etc, there's alsp patience and perseverance, and that's a skill that's completely necessary to gid gud, let alone work in the industry.

>>2869855

>I mean sure they're cool but perspective is rather simple in principle and can be done almost entirely with a ruler and simple drawing skills.

Seeing as how most people can't do them, I'd say that it is an important thing to not dismiss them.

I really need help with the faces in this picture. They're supposed to be smiling, but I think I messed up somewhere.

Woodland Scenics TM

all studies from photo ref

>>2869935
So good, makes me want to draw forests, but I'm Loomising right now.

Should I be practicing drawing straight lines from any angle, or is it normal to just rotate the surface as needed? Freehand drawing straight vertical lines is tough.

>>2869938
Both.

Heads. d

>>2869938

It's normal to rotate. If it helps you make a straight line freehand then it's fair game.

Practice what you can't do, though. It wouldn't hurt. Unless somehow it does. Then just rotate.

You should be able to make relatively straight lines from any angle, but the real point is to be able to draw them at all.

>>2869941
How are you that good already?

>>2869943
i just shitted around several day. $$

>>2869941
>name on piece
>namefag on post
>capital X
>the word crap in caps in the filename

the heads are good though.

>>2869945
X is just intended find my post easily
i have DRD

>not dual wielding pencils so you can draw twice as fast

Here is update from last thread. Still not done, gotta do the hands, hair, panties, gloves some more and (her left) boob is bothering me but i don't know how. If i fuck with trying to make the abs look right anymore i might go crazy. Anything look off or needs fixing thats not a major redo besides that boob?

>>2869949
that's silly

>>2870006
Spoken like a pleb who didn't take up the dual wielding trait

Enjoy your 2-handed pencil

>>2869708
try setting up an easel and standing.

Drawabox recommends using pen, but does it really matter if I use a pencil? It's not like I have any intention of wasting time erasing mistakes...

There was a site with tons of free 3d models uploaded by people that you could rotate and stuff, was really nice but for some reason I can't find it. Anyone have the link?

>>2870025
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3d+model+site

>>2870033
I've been trying that of course, still can't find it

>>2870035
not sketchfab?

>>2870037
Damn that's the one. Link was blue so I thought I'd just been there, silly of me. Thanks anon

>>2869329
You should try gesture drawings so your lines and shapes could look more organic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>2870006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9wqH34tU-Q

I'm a bit confused. When I do photo studies, should I approach it like they do in keys to drawing, just copying the image exactly, like every shadow etc. Or should I try to construct the anatomy and face? I'm finding it hard to achieve a balance.

>>2870024
There's more to it than not erasing. Read this: http://drawabox.com/article/ink

I'm having difficulty understanding where to place the minor axis on either of these planes when trying this example for myself. I understand that the minor axis points towards the opposite vanishing point but I don't get how to line it up with the center

>>2869060
Nah, you need a minimal drawing time of 27 hours a day. Ngmi

>>2870091
Maybe find the midpoint on the middle corner of the cube and cast it to a VP. I'm not sure about this one, always preferred Olsen to Robertson because the latter sucks at explaining to beginners

>>2868384

>>2868960
I would still like some imput on this.

Started with Reilly heads today. One started to look like myself so I committed to that. I think it turned out okay in terms of proportions and feature placement, but some forms are pretty shit. I'm having a hard time making good lines on an Intuos.

I did something different today

Day 3 of DrawaBox. Gonna give the rotating one a try, ran out of time today. also a random banana that i sketched at work and is basically my first life drawing, lol.

so i wanna draw from life a bit more regularly now, should i already try to construct everything instead of trying to pay close attention to the outlines and trying to 100% draw what i see?

>>2870003
Waist is WAY too thin.

>>2870234
Take one mindset and commit to it. Don't switch. If you're going to draw constructively then do that and apply it to everything. Don't learn any sight tricks. Beginners suffer from too many teachers when they really just need to focus on one thing.

>>2870239
well i want to be able to construct characters, which is also why i am eying out some life drawing classes that are closer by and which i could attend once i hammered the basics down and practiced on some pictures

>>2870007
thank you, this made me laugh. Might need to mention it to my D&D group.

>>2870003
Still think her left side of the waist should be a bit more parallel to the abs and a bit thicker, look at the muscle structure you made on her right side, there should be those on her left which would be slightly visible. Also the left breast is a bit too low and the bottom looks skinny; it's drifting off her chest.

Keys exercise 3-C, foreshortening. I screwed up though, I thought I was doing ok til I got to the last leg and the shadow isn't nearly as long as it should be.

>>2870275
reference

>>2869857
Oh yeah I definitely messed up the ear as well as the alignment of the thigh and leg. Also yes the shoulder area was not cleaned up, and I think I see what you mean with the back hair line and the neck. I'll do those corrections. Thanks for the feedback!!

>>2870275
How are you so good? Is this your second time going through keys?

>>2870003
Looks good man! I like the rendering.

I agree with the others that the waist is looking too thin. It does look like a stylistic choice but I think you can just ease up on the curve of the left side of her waist and it will look better.

>>2868423
that's a stupidly obvious thing to say. next time you want to talk just write it down and save it in your pocket on a little piece of paper and never pull it out again.

>>2868476
change positions. maybe change mediums for a while

>>2869232
Oh boy, I fell for the Wacom meme.
>Bought $200 Intuos M on Ebay
>Barley use it for art.
>Bought sketch book
>Bought different mediums
>Having a blast without my Wacom.
Could have bought Copic markers or something with $200.

>>2870324
>implying I don't ask questions here and reply to myself with the answer

>>2870311
thanks. no, first time..i've been drawing since i was a kid so I guess that's why i'm "good". trying to get serious lately.

>>2870372
What are you getting serious for? Got some goals? Gonna become a painter?

>>2870376
well i'm not trying to make a living off of art(not this type anyway, i want to be a writer) but i do want to make it to pro/master skill level

i'd just like to paint and draw beautiful captivating pieces lol

>>2870386
Do you write novels? Any genre in specific? You probably like world building?

>>2870399
>novels
i try haha, only things i've ever finished are short stories. i've been depressed/not actually working on my passions enough for a while so i'm redoubling my efforts

>genre
fiction.

>>2870338
shut up and get back to drawing...

>>2870091

To line it up with the center you first draw an X from each vertex inside the cube, the intersection between the lines of X is the middle point. Now, you run a line from the vanishing point to the middle point of the cube, and that's it, you've got it.

>>2870091
>>2870504

See if pic related makes it clear.

hows it going lads

critique please
thank you

>>2870651
fuuug

>>2870653
post reference

>>2870656
what i noticed its, that i made the neck thingy too wide

>>2870660
that artist does a thing where you contour certain bits whilst shading to give it form. you havent really done that (see the ring around the eye)

tfw notice your drawings starting to look like other anon's from the thread

tfw notice your drawings starting to look like other anon's from the thread

>>2870669
that reaction pic is really the selling point to the post you wanted to make huh

>>2870669
That's like the most 50/50 thing ever. There are god-like beginners in here and then there are complete trash.

>>2870670
desu it is. need to imply its a bad thing. it started to look like eric's and the martian guy's

>>2870677
>god-like beginners
point them out

>>2870679
>>2870275

>>2870681
tfw its me

>>2870686
good job you. sharpen your fundies and become a god.

>>2870665
i see once i zoomed the pic a lot, my screen is shitty and hadnt zoomed
will try the first image now but with that contour
thanks

Been Loomising for two months and I feel stagnation even though my drawings are still shit. Rip me apart please.

>>2870692
read a book on figures.
4+4chan slash loomis has a sticky with a mega co in it.

>>2870697
Figure drawing for all its worth? I have been doing that. I'm still unsure about my proportions and construction

>>2870700
>do keys instead.

>>2870700
when you do do it use villpu or hampton.
but as >>2870702 says go do fundamentals first. read our sticky for that.

Scott Robertson is fucking amazing

I have a weird problem with SAI.
I have two canvases right now, A and B.
I want to copy a selection from B, to A
When I copy on B, and paste on A, it makes a new layer (which is 100% empty). I can for the life of me not get my selection onto A.
If I copy something from A to B it works flawlessly. wat do?

>>2870714
did you try to cut it instead of copy?
if that didn't work hide all other layers, export the part you need from B as png and then add it as layer to A
I haven't touched SAI in years, though, so not sure if that was possible

if all else fails, make a screen with something like sharex and paste it in A that way

new bread?

>>2870753
old rice :D

>>2870653
See the dark area above the eye? Yours is huge compared to the reference.

That area is actually the brow ridge of the chicken that is bulging out. The dark shaded part is just the underside of the brow that is not being hit by light. It shouldn't be that large.

When you're blocking in your shapes, also think about why the shapes are what they are. What is the form that your blocking in? In this case, it's a brow ridge right above the eye. That's also part of where the chicken's expression comes from. If you think about the basic shape, it's basically a tube or cylindrical shape. The top half is in light and the bottom half is dark.

>>2870753
lmao im trying but it keeps saying "upload failed" for the op gimme a sec

What resolution do you guys use when drawing digitally?

I'm on a shitty laptop so I just keep it to 1366x768 to match it's screen but I often see people drawing on massive resolutions, do you get better detail that way?

>>2870797
Apparently Hiroshima fucked up something and no one seems to be able to post images anywhere.

>>2870803
ye aight i'll post new thread when its fixed

>>2870800
Yes, you do. You use whatever resolution is best to depict your painting. I usually just use default A3.

It's funny, I switched to an overhand grip and my precision went way up. I wonder if it has something to do with the posture being more similar to using a computer mouse which I have decades of experience using.

I am trying to sketch an ant in perspective like they do in FZD, wish I had a video of how they go about it. I can sketch it alright, but I am having trouble understanding how to measure the ant with cubes even though I understand how I would place those cubes in perspective.


Maybe reducing it to a simpler shape then carving it out?

>>2869060
DUDE

>tfw you've done nothing but draw cubes for the past 2 months and they still look like shit