/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I think he only does podcasts now.

>>2857172
Haven't uploaded one of those in ages tho.

>>2857169
He made an announcement on twitter saying he's releasing a new video on the 14th so we're gonna get some more wisdom dropped on us soon

>>2857169
i hope it stays that way FZ sucks ass

>>2857295
>coming back on valentines day
What did he mean by this

>>2858578
I'm not that good at art either anon

>>2858583
he never stopped loving us

>>2858583
>>2858623
Kek

ITS UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXnp7wSevRE

>>2859640
Feng senapi is back!

>>2859640
my fucking DICK

>>2859640
He's doing these in real time? Neat, I'm half tempted to do some Draw alongs whenever a project is complete, like painting with a coffee chugging asian Bob Ross

He's back bois

>>2859640
How many people are going to be triggered when he starts photobashing those temples?

I figure anywhere between 5-10 in this thread alone.

>>2859640
>It's a photobashing episode

>Watching someone else paint and borderline photobash instead of painting on your own.

Not. Gonna. Make it.

>>2859715
>>2859716

Just accept that it's a normal part of the industry. It's disappointing to realize, but it's a necessary evil if we want to put bread on the table.

>>2857169
>No new videos
well there is now

>>2859717
>borderline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXnp7wSevRE
He just made one m8

>>2859716
To be fair he made 80+ episodes with mostly drawing and painting

Wtf is he gonna upload episodes daily now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZMWgdhQoE

>>2862275
wtff??

>>2857169
Hopefully he never uploads this cancer again. Why is everyone so hyped about his "art"? There are thousands of people who can draw the exact same style, many even better

>>2859862
>>2862275
lmao that looks more like an stripper club

>>2859640
>one hour of work
>for that

>>2862390
Post your work (schedule).

But seriously now most real concept art pieces take above 8 hours.

1 hour speed paintings are very rare professionally.

>>2862333
Looks worse than how it started. Feng has no design sense. lol. He's been in the game forever, and considers himself a designer rather than an artist, but he sucks at design too. Kinda sad. Seems to have conned his way to success somehow though. He's like the concept artist's version of Keanu Reeves.

>>2862436
>cant draw for shit but i sure know more bout design than this chink lol
Sasuga, /ic/.

>>2862436
>He's like the concept artist's version of Keanu Reeves
the fuck did you say??

>>2862436
He himself has said that you don't need to invent new stuff to be a designer.

Like in a WW2 game you can be a concept artist just by putting already existing vehicles in a set piece.

Since most games nowadays are very realistic inventing stuff is not a very important skill.

>>2862406
That shit wasn't a speed "painting".

>>2862911
Do better than that in 3 hours while talking and explaining your process.
you won't

I dont know what to think about photobashing

I noticed a lot of concept artists using it and it looks really terrible and if you zoom in even a little into an artwork you just see a jumbled mess

But most of this Feng zhu guys photobashes seem to look okay, at least from a distance they all work together and doesnt look that bad.

IDK, I didnt even know photobashing was the name for that technique till this thread, still dont know if its more bad than good.

I mean this part looks really cool, photobashing is a cool way to get a nice looking image going but I feel like in some ways its not great for a "complete look" >>2862333

>>2864113
>all those layers
What the fuck Feng

>>2864113
Most pieces of concept art aren't even meant to be shown for an outside audience. Their entire reason for existence is to show the CEO-types and art heads that this is what the creative writing team had in mind - and for the 3D modelers to get started on making it happen. A CEO will look at it for 10 seconds, give the green light, the piece potentially gets forgotten forever, and you get started on the next piece. In a job as quick as that you need to take shortcuts.

>>2864125
Ah I see that makes sense then from that perspective, its a way to get something out quickly for the purposes of a project with deadlines and shit for multiple pieces etc.

Anyways browsing FZD site http://fengzhudesign.com/gallery_page_02.htm I'm just blown the fuck away, I can see how good photobashing can look when used effectively it can add to a piece, and you do get a good comprehension of it immediately, but then upon looking for details you find buildings and stuff disappearing into thin air etc, so its a little jarring I guess but I guess thats no the point of photobashing like you said

>>2864135
I kinda wanna give a go at photobashing myself, it'll help now that I know what the technique is even called.

Though now i realize I kind of already did do this myself a few times messing around with paint.net, if this is what you would call photobashing (using clone tool etc) to make something look different but without painting anything just cloning parts from it or another photo, its fun if anything.

>>2864142

>>2864142
https://youtu.be/1X0Npd5REQw

This video is nice.

>>2864146
Using photos to act as a guide for something you are painting over does seem to be a neat technique

>>2859716
what is photobashing?

>>2859942
and those drawings are pretty much just busy scratchy lines in two-point perspective. Same shit over and over. Jagged vague crap built out of popsickle sticks.

>>2864113
>>2864113
>noticed a lot of concept artists using it and it looks really terrible and if you zoom in even a little into an artwork you just see a jumbled mess
it's almost like concept art and illustration are different things with different goals.

>>2866277
uhh what?

>>2866347
Yeah I kinda understand that better now.

So when would illustration and actual time and care taken to finishing an artwork be needed then if at all in concept art?

>>2866604
Some concept art pieces are picked for promotional purposes, so there, other than that, never.

>>2866603
Damn, Feng makes it look so real. It's kind of rare to see Feng's work that takes more time, usually his video ones only take a few hours.

>>2866616
This one still probably only took like day to do. At this resolution it's hard to tell maybe, but when you go on his site and see the larger file he posted then it's obviously a photobash with some quick brush strokes over it.

>>2866650
>it's obviously a photobash with some quick brush strokes over it.

I'd love to do stuff like that then, I'm not really interested in making something completely from scratch all the time but for getting an interesting and cool looking image out that matches the vague fleeting image/idea I have in my mind and this photobash with some painting method of his seems really good for that now that I've seen more about it

>but when you go on his site and see the larger file he posted
Can you link that? All I've been able to find are the smaller files like this from the gallery page and they're too small to make out detail

>>2866725
Yeah I was not insulting photobashing as a method, it certainly is valid especially for concept stuff like this. But you should just be aware of what it is. He's taking a few photos of tanks, putting them over some photos of forests, colour grading everything, then putting some brushstrokes and grunge over it as well as some blurs and effects. Overall, it's a very quick'n'dirty method, but it gets the job done.

Pics in higher res where you can clearly see what is photo and what is painted: http://fengzhudesign.blogspot.ca/2014/01/tom-clancy-command-authority.html

>>2866731
How can you tell he's not just painting them though?

>>2866731
Yep I see it more clearly now, you can easily tell now its multiple photos, photos with filters over them etc, but yeah I'm not hating on this method either I'm actually growing to like it because it seems like a "quick and dirty" method to create something, some image that I have in mind besides having to fully draw/paint it because I'm not that good at that yet.

I dabbled a little into something like this a few times when I had this idea in mind as I mentioned in previous posts, mostly when I wanted to use the clone tool to create something new out of something already there (pic related) but this is way more advanced photo bashing than I'm capable of, and watching this latest design cinema video of his it seems like a very involved process, but very fun in the end.

Gonna have to give something like this a go myself, time to torrent PS I guess.

>>2866739
You just get an eye for distinguishing photobashed vs. fully painted work

See pic, its not FZ but a students

>>2866755
So which part is photobashed? I can't tell, unless you mean the background.

>>2866759
This ladder thing here

>>2866759
Sometimes its not photos but CG models interspersed with painted features that can look like photobashes a little

>>2866739
It's pretty obvious if you have experience in painting, especially when you can see it in hi res like that. Basically the photos will have different texture densities and resolutions than other parts of the picture. There might be film grain or colour differences too. The brushstrokes will be flatter and have way less information.

In that example everything is a photo (entirety of tanks and trees basically) except the grass, the fog, the dirt spatter, and then a few bits on top of the tanks like some bound light was added and some cast shadows over them, but they are primarily photo.

In >>2866755 the places with photos are the parts that have that grainy very detailed textural look, so all of the foliage in all sections of the image. Then on areas like the dirt ground a photo texture was placed there then it was painted on top, so the gravel-y bits are the original photo showing through. The same is true for the thatched roofs and corrugated metal. Then things like the vehicles are photos which have been painted on to change their shapes a bit, and the rusty cylinders on the left and the fallen thing in front of them are mostly photo as well.

>>2866798
>the language in this whole post
Uh, yeah. Okay. I'll just trust you on this one. Maybe one day I will reach your level of understanding and be able to decypher art like so. You sound like a pro though...

>>2866808
Well I am a pro, but I don't think you need to be one to be able to recognize photobashing. It's got some very distinct qualities to it that make it fairly easy to identify in most cases, especially if the image is visible in a large resolution. It's a little bit like telling if a painting is digital or oils--to a layman they may look the same but it honestly doesn't take much to be able to tell the difference every time.

>>2866817
Some artists do a perfect cover up though. Actually a shitload of artists use 3D models and tons of photobashing but paint all over it so you can't detect any of it. It still saves a shitload of time.

>>2866808
Not him but heres another look with another FZ image

I'm not sure about the helicopter itself though, doesnt seem like a photo but I could be wrong, could just have very good filters/and grading applied over it

But yeah look at the walls and stuff, the rubble is either added or painted in on what was a photo of a normal building etc,

Its a very nice time saving method if you think about it.

>>2866827
That's true, but it usually still obvious that it's been used.

>>2866828
You've missed a few areas. The clouds/sky is photo, and basically the entirety of the buildings are photos (except the white chimney in the very top right). The ground in the bottom left is a photo with a few random brushstrokes and a splatter brush on top.

>I'm not sure about the helicopter itself though
It's a photo. He painted the faint bounce light and thin white rimlight on the underneath of it. The big camera(?) above the blades looks like it could be painted, but it might have had a photo base and just been mostly covered up.

>>2866841
>basically the entirety of the buildings are photos (except the white chimney in the very top right).

I had a hunch but I wasn't sure

>helicopter is a photo
Well that is surprising, I genuinely couldn't tell. The part above the blades is probably part of the photo too, its a Kiowa Warrior so it is a IR camera or something like that on top.

Damn I really wanna try my hand at photobashing now. And I can see now why he has so many thousands of specific references on his computer in his design cinema videos too.

>>2866846
If you want to try photobashing I recall that Maciej Kuciara did a long demo showing how to do it, of like some oil rigs in an ocean, and you can find it on youtube. His end result on the demo wasn't that great in my opinion, but he knows his stuff and his client work is mostly very strong.

By the way, notice how uniform these images are in terms of colour. They're basically monochromatic, and that's because it's much easier to get the photos to look like they are a part of the same scene this way.

There's also various tricks you can do to "hide" the method, like choosing base photos that have the same resolution, or putting a subtle film grain filter over things to unify the painted parts better.

If you're curious to see really high level stuff, try looking at some Brad Rigney pieces from the last few years. He's a guy who painted photoreal from his imagination for a long time but has since switched to using photobashing and painting together, and it can be tricky to tell what is what. His images though are definitely time consuming and are illustration, not concept art.

>>2866242
When instead of say, draw and render all the rocks on a hill to the side, you look up "rocks" and slap some photos on there hence "Photobashing"

>>2866867
How much time does it save?

>>2866860
>much easier to get the photos to look like they are a part of the same scene this way.

That makes sense, I have noticed that a lot, pic related.

>Maciej Kuciara
Thanks anon I'll check him out and the other guy, it'll definitely be interesting to see the difference between photobashes done for concept art/quick visualization versus done for illustration and painted over, I think both have their merits definitely.

This is kinda exciting, I have seen the method when browsing concept art works online or in magazines but didn't know even what it was called then, now I'm gonna try to emulate it myself, after first learning how to do it even.

>>2866871
A lot. I don't do it myself tho because I'm still learning how to do digital and I think it's a bit like cheating.
this thread has been pretty good at discussing the matter if you want to know more

>>2866872
You actually need to git gud first to make convincing photobash. Feng Zhu always states that you shouldn't photobash if you don't have the fundamentals down. Otherwise your shit will just look like some first time photoshop collage experiment.

>>2866887
Yeah that makes sense, and I definitely don't have the fundamentals down in that case.

I'm probably not gonna do anything besides try my hand at it a few times, some crude photobashing just to see what its like because I know theres no way I can hope to achieve what someone like Feng Zhu can even do with it for a long while, I guess he does make it look easy but thats only because he has years of experience and with the fundamentals, perspective etc.

Besides I need to git gud at digital painting first too.

>>2866860

>His end result on the demo wasn't that great in my opinion

It's not so bad, I like how I can see where he combined the X-Band radar platform with a regular oil platform, but with everything being the same color, darkness and everything its harder to tell that at a glance, so it works pretty well.

The whole piece has the right mood.

>>2866904
I guess. I just feel he has other work that is 100x stronger. If you don't know him spend some time looking through his Artstation gallery and familiarize yourself with his stuff, see what works or not. He is probably the most famous photobasher out there and one of the best, and really helped popularize it with the work he did on Last of Us.

>>2866913

Yeah fair enough, his work is incredible, especially his cyberpunk style artwork.

Some of my favorite cyberpunk art comes from him.