/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2819592
Use both. Don't prioritize one over the other. Medium doesn't matter when you're learning drawing fundies

Use digital and trace to learn. Crab buckets who missed out on learning with digital will tell you otherwise, and the ones who've made it that have learned using this method will never admit it.

>>2819613
I would have never thought from this perspective

Thanks

>>2819613
You need to drink artist semen to make it. Crab buckets who missed out on artgains jizz will tell you otherwise, and the artist that sucked vilppu's old nuts dry would never admit it.

>>2819592
From my experience, it's a lot harder to learn on a tablet because it's much harder to control lines.

My paper drawings look fine but my digital stuff looks like Michael J Fox drew it, between the slick surface and tiny area.

>>2819592
i'm far from a pro, but everything i've learned was using an extra large wacom. can't see how it could be a disadvantage

physical media is unconvenient, dirty, expensive, and not as precise when compared to digital.

Anon, ask yourself what year this is

There is no reason to hold yourself back with physical shit. And nobody will take your profile seriously if you're using colored pencils and pastels. Get with the program and learn Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.

>>2819878
>And nobody will take your profile seriously if you're using colored pencils and pastels.
Are we serious or no?
Are these shit tools or something? Like really?

>>2819878
>TFW zombie apocalypse
>TFW no electricity to power computers and tablets
>TFW you're a traditional masterrace

>>2819882
I know someone who draws alot of anime and uses colored pencils

He showed off his work to some employers and he got criticized for it being too "childish", tho I'm sure the subject of the work itself was half the reason.

>>2819592
It can be troublesome for learning the fundamentals.

If you use ctrl+z too much as a beginner, you'll have trouble learning to be patient and plan your lines out. Layers are very useful, but they are going to be an obstacle down the line if you never get a feel for the "permanence" of your lines. Many teachers recommend beginners to use pens instead of pencils because you can't hide your mistakes and are forced to learn from them; you can't force that with a tablet.

Drawing from life is going to be very difficult if you have to be plugged into a computer to do so. A big part of learning to draw is learning to observe your subject more than your paper, which you can't do if your subject and your drawing are on the same screen.

Personally, I struggled for a few years because I tried to learn digital first. I ended up just throwing my errors against a wall until they looked right by accident. I didn't learn anything, because I could just try again on a new layer and forget my old attempt. I had to do a lot of unlearning and re-learning when I finally picked up a pen and paper.

Think about it this way: Anything you learn to do with a paper and pen can be translate to digital, but not vice-versa.

>>2819890
>last pencil
>last sheet of printer paper
>"oh boy oh boy"
>pencil snaps
>"better go sharpen that"
>pencil rolls off desk
>step on it
>attempt to pick it up
>paper blows away in the wind
>lands in puddle
>find black colored pencil
>pink rubber eraser
>notebook
>"oh boy oh boy"
>flip through pages
>literally scribbles, math, and tic-tac-toe on every page
>find one clean page
>begin magnum opus
>"oop i messed up lemme erase that"
>violently tear a hole through the fabric of space and time with your synthetic pink shard of rock
>realize it was all a lie
>you couldn't be anything you wanted
>hard work doesn't pay off
>talent exists
>"not boy not boy"
>regret being born so hard that your unborn fetus dissolves into blood and protein
>cease to existy

I think you should still start learning with pencil and paper.

Digital gives you way too many shortcuts as beginner
You don't need to care for your lines because there's always the ability to undo and stabilize
You can move parts of your drawings easily (if you haven't placed the eyes in the right spot you can just select and move them)
Layers (can even trace or photobash like a tard)
You can use perspective rulers to lock your lines to a point
Grids, etc

Just start normally and learn the basics, and when you'll have grasp of those digital will be even easier than you're expecting it to be.

>>2819864
>wacomcuck
>pencils are too expensive

>>2819878
>illustrator
>ILLUSTRATOR
is this bait or dunning kruger?

>>2819929

Couldn't agree more OP.

Cancelled my schoolism membership, sold my tablet, and threw away all of my sketchbooks.

Such a waste of time. And for what? It's completely unnecessary and serves no purpose.
Art is not needed, especially in today's society where the intellect, personality, and face reigns supreme.

To be honest, the "artistic lifestyle" seems almost like a childish endeavour at this point, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems like the most serious artists (asides from guys who are legit conceptartists/illustrators/porn artists but they represent a very low % of dedicated lifters) are also the people with nothing else going on in their lives.
I know this was true with me, I was biggest and most serious about drawing when I was still in uni, working only 15 hours a week, and pretty much just plucking around all the time, going out, with no real life.
To all you kids out there who are getting sucked into the comerical art , try to stop yourself.
So long as you have and maintain decent facial aesthetics, you'll be fine.
Art just not worth it.

Cheers.

>>2819942
>Digital gives you way too many shortcuts as beginner
>You don't need to care for your lines because there's always the ability to undo and stabilize
>You can move parts of your drawings easily

Nobody is forcing you to use those features as a beginner while learning. I'm pretty sure someone who is self aware will understand how detrimental those would be to learning fundementals if they're serious about improving.

>>2819977

>He didn't make it

Some of us have what it takes and make it.

>>2819980

You will never know desu

>>2819978
A beginner doesn't know how to learn art like someone who isn't

>>2819929
kek

>>2819929

>drawing outside
>with jewcom and a laptop
>a nigger runs by
>steals your shit
>start crying
>buys another jewcom and laptop
>5 years later
>drawing on computer
>zombie apocalypse
>black out
>didn't save
>starts crying
>zombie breaks through window
>grabs laptop and jewcom
>runs through the street
>zombies everywhere
>stop to do zombie studies
>turns on laptop
>battery at 10%
>make it quick
>done
>0%
>laptop turns off
>TFW you will never see your work again

>>2819977
>So long as you have and maintain decent facial aesthetics, you'll be fine.

What did he mean by this?

>>2819942
i'll never get the "using ctrl+z is cheating" meme. the only thing that matters is the final result, nobody should care how you got there.

of course you HAVE to try everything as a beginner: it takes a lot of practice to find a proper workflow. mastering the basics is just a small part of the whole thing.

>>2820410
>mastering the basics is just a small part

More like the most fundamental part

>>2820410
I'm not saying using undo is cheating (I use it myself, occasionally), but someone should have contol over his lines before attempting to draw digitally. I mean redrawing the same line 15 times will only make your workflow slow as shit, knowing each drawing is made from hundreds and thousands of them. It's just not a good way to work.

>>2820418

The confidence you get from drawing directly in ink without the ability to undo or erase is hard to replace with digital I've found. I drew a lot of small life studies this past summer in a small sketchbook with a pen and it had a big impact on my digital workflow.

>>2819890
The thing with digital is you can switch back to trad at any point with ease.

>>2820422
proof?