/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2817272
never going to make it

>>2817277
...Yeah...

>>2817272
>Like, how the fuck is it that they got it so fast and i didn't?
You probably didn't practice the fundamentals as you should have

> Ive been drawing all my childhood up until now and i still cant draw a fucking human, wait, no, i cant draw anything nor think of any design for character, environment or whatever
No one gets to that level simply by drawing a shitton, otherwise there would be cavemen with the same skill as modern artists. You apply fundies + study the works of great artists + draw a shitton before you can draw those things without it looking like rubbish.

> I literally have no visual library despite playing vidya and watching sf films since i was 6.
You fell for the visual library meme anon. Doesn't matter what you've 'seen' if you don't draw it, else it won't stick.

>Reading through fun with pencil
That book is shit, read Keys to Drawing.

>>2817290
Not op, but in similar situation/frustration
What book should I go with next? Anatomy? Perspective? Any particular books you can recommend me?

Not everyone was meant to be an artist. You'll do fine as a starbucks boy.

>>2817272
wait till you get older. you think its bad now? i wish i was 18 again, fuck i wish i was 24 again.

>>2817334
There's different skillsets and numerous approaches you can take to learn them, therefore whatever advice I'd give would be pretty subjective so take it with a grain of salt

After I did Keys I went through Perspective Made Easy, it's really basic stuff and you'll definitely need a more extensive course later but it gives a good grounding. Also Line is something you can never learn too soon, for that I'd recommend Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching - you should be doing at least a page of those exercises daily.

Once that's done you can move on to other stuff like gesture but if you feel burdened and have low morale from slogging through the fundies without producing something then take the 'classical' approach for a while and study work like pic related to the best of your ability; there's an excellent course called Fundamentals of Drawing by Mogilevtsev, used in the Russian Academy, that's great for this

>>2817272
Not gonna make it.

>>2817272
Not gonna make it.

you'd make it faster if you just drew and didnt cry about it like a 12 year old girl

>>2817272
At least you aren't 20 something and told yourself yesterday that "art is my life XD" like more than half the people here.

>>2817272
Unless you where watching then their whole life, there's no way you can know how fast they "got it"

>I've been drawing since I was young

Can people please fucking stop acting like that means anything

Unless you were practicing perspective, design, colour and light since you were a child, you weren't doing ANYTHING that could help you now.

First off, start learning the basics of perspective. Once you understand the basics, go in depth into construction drawing through books like scott robertsons "how to draw".

Drawing is hard because you've set up unrealistic expectations for yourself that you will NEVER reach unless you start learning the fundamentals which is perspective and rendering.

When drawing your figures, don't try to put the whole thing down before taking time to establish measurements. Those artist that can seemingly freehand everything have already internalized the rules so they don't need to VISIBLY construct thier drawings.

>>2817272
> Ive been drawing all my childhood
>playing vidya and watching sf films since i was 6
>I remember when drawing used to be the only thing i enjoyed about life

You're young, stop wasting time and energy fretting over this. Keep drawing instead and learn to enjoy it.

>>2817439
>Can people please fucking stop acting like that means anything

Are people here really this arrogant?

"haha yeah dude so what if there are some people out there who have more than a fucking decade of experience drawing shapes, forming lines and being creative on me! None of that matters we're all gunna make it!"

>>2817491
Read that post again you dummy

>>2817491
nigga did you even read his post?

>>2817272
OP, you are 18 years old. Its too late after you hit 20, so you have to work NOW. If you dont do that, you will not make it in a professional way. I'd say it's already too late but you can still make it.

>>2817491
retard alert your 10 years of tracing sasuke don't mean shit

>>2817499
>>2817501
Did you faggots even read his post? It's a bunch of memes.

Any normal artist wouldn't do those things because those aren't things you would do naturally. A young artist would try to draw from life through sight and shoot for realism. They don't care about the individual parts, they're just shooting for it to be realistic.

>>2817272
The less people who make it, the less competition, so please quietly sink into the abyss, oniichan?

>>2817272

Ignore the retard Trump spamming slaves, and meme bots.

I didn't start learning to draw till I was 29. I had interest in art at a young age but spent time playing sports, chasing girls and doing shit most people did before cellphones and facebook started fucking with everyone.

No matter what anyone tells you. You have to practice. ( This is constantly said millions of times a day no doubt to everyone who can't draw or drawing badly. But no one wants to except this fact. )

No books, no visual libraries, no motivations, no games, no movies, no nothing will make you draw better.

You have to learn to draw but simply drawing. And guess what. Its not instantaneous... Never will be.

There is no talent people are born with in regards to art. I've seen many "naturally skilled" artist come and go more times than I can count. The "bad artist" the newbies that stuck to drawing and never giving up. They are still around some vastly better some decently better.

You have to draw to get better. Copying, reading books, watching tutorials. These are all excuses and reasons to delay drawing for yourself and getting better for yourself.

There are no secrets to drawing. Its just putting the effort to learn as you go.

>>2817504
pretty much this, i havent heard of any really successful artist who started in his 20s

>>2817508
Sometimes I feel like /ic/ purposefully kills beginners so that there's less competition.

>>2817272

>Reading through fun with pencil was so vague, left me copying these goofy head balls very poorly.
>I remember when drawing used to be the only thing i enjoyed about life, now ive got nothing left. I... I'm not gonna make it...

Your mistake is trying to draw to improve rather than trying to draw to have fun. You have conditioned your brain so see drawing as not fun.

>>2817507

>faggots
Anon, please tell me you're not mental.

since you're not gonna make it, i will explain to you.

Drawing since you were young,
does not equate to learning The fundamentals and building upon them.
For all we know, he could have been drawing stick figures since he was young. so fuck off m8.
Have you never seen any of the autistic progression threads, you know the ones that showcase your own art?

>>2817512
Not really. We dont kill them enough.

The truth is only a little percent of all people can actually learn drawing. I thought discouraging trash tier noobs would be something normal here, its not.

You bash tumblr and deviantart, but you are pretty much the same with your "everyone can make it" and "art is for everybody". Stop fooling other people and mostly yourself. Its an autistic path that little, very little amount of people can do with any meaningful success.

>>2817526
>The truth
Everyone can learn to draw.

>>2817510
Dude, that's bullshit recomendations. It's not about fucking practicing, if you let a ignorant go to the gym it doesn't fucking matter how much invested he's into it, how contant and how much effort he's making, he may get no gains.

Resultas are not related with all that bullshit. Results come from correct investments and the COLD TRUTH is that a wannabe artists must realice that as a intermediate-beginner he lacks that knowledge.

You don't learn to draw by drawing as you don't gain muscle weight because of doing some shit on the gym.

>not gonna make it

>>2817526
>autistic path
Quit projecting anon-kun, it's embarassing.

>>2817531
Thats why so many people fail in that, makes sense.

Again OP, don't listen to faggots like this. >>2817533 This loser probably draws dick shitting nipple anime memes.

Note the stupid green text meme.

- Practice and draw for yourself. No one here has any brains, let alone any real advice. This board is literally like /b/ only with retards like this. >>2817533

>>2817533
>just assume they're incompetent instead of assuming people are competent and reasonable
Okay anon

>>2817515
It's years of understanding how to control your drawing and an understanding of the basics. It's a massive advantage.

I never thought that I would see
>drawing is for everybody
meme here. Is there a forum where people are actually down to earth?

>>2817499
>>2817501
>>2817506

nothing like triggered tryhards.

>>2817547

This guy gets it.

>>2817533
Forcing yourself to learn fundamentals wouldn't do shit, start with the most basic thing... draw every day, once you achive that you can move on to something more advance. People don't learn just because they put their ass in to a chair, they need motivation first.

>>2817559
That still doesn't mean THE OP has been doing that since they were young,
hence it doesn't mean anything if you've been drawing since you were young if you have not been ACTIVELY learning. What don't you understand?
You're full of shit.

>>2817272
Why do you niggas bitch so much. Fucking Hell...

Hey OP, I hope you`ll read this. I started at almost 18. I am 20 now, not proffesional, but I made improvement I am happy with. I drew since I was a kid too but didn't know what I was doing, you are probably in the same boat. You probably suck, but not like somebody that never drew before. Look at your drawings, what is the main wrong thing? Figures? Draw figures! Values? Learn values. Etc.
Practice that way, make a few artist friends and show them your work to help you on your way. This worked for me.

>>2817272
Hey op, it's ok.
You haven't improved in a while, which causes frustration, that's normal. I'd go as far as say it's a part of the process.

What you need is learning how to learn before you learn how to draw.
Don't worry about the human body or anything else.
Let's say you want to learn how to draw a duck, in any position, without a reference.

Set up a tilted surface, a piece of paper and a pencil.
1. Learn to draw a dot.
2. Then a line.
3. Then a shape.
4. Then a form.
5. Then, you have to learn what a duck looks like.
Not just "oh it's a bird with two legs", but more like "this is what its skeleton looks like, this is how its joints move, this is where the muscles attach, this is how it walks..."

Now when you want to draw something else, you'll only have to repeat only the last step, that's what we call expanding your visual library, and it never really ends.

This is a summary, your battle plan.
To draw a line properly, you'll have to practice every day. To construct a form properly, you'll have to learn perspective, gesture and render it after wards. Then there is composition, color theory etc, but really, there's nothing more than those 5 simple steps.

Draw every day, be precise, seek advice and criticism, look for inspiration, listen to podcasts and video lectures, read e-books, try out new tools, analyze your mistakes and most importantly, enjoy the process.
We're on our way to draw cool pictures and get paid for it, how fucking cool is that.

>>2817272
25 is the cut-off age so you're fine. Notice how 23 is the average age on /ic/ and that all the 26+ year olds are failures on this board.

>>2817574
I understand that you're full of sour grapes and denial. Weather he learned anything important or not he acquainted himself with the tactile experience of drawing when he was young and impressionable, which anyone in a lab coat will tell you is more of a foot in the door than smoking a bunch of pot like you probably did. Get a fucking clue lol.

>>2817540
you're retarded, pointing no one here have real advice while my post is about others' shitty advice

pointing out that "just practice" is worthless is not an advice on itself, retard

>>2817541
are you serious, of course you're going to assume incompetence

you can't expect competent criteria from someone with incompetent skills, this is a basic for anything in life, you're giving bad advice so lightly

well, it's obviosly butthurting and takes some guts and humility

You probably don't really like the idea of other people getting further ahead from you, in skills and success, faster and with less struggles, so you make it sure they just consider as important "to practice consistently"

>>2817491

>>2817547
>the basic
which haven't defined

>control your drawing
ambiguous, ignored accordingly

>>2817636
You're 25 I assume

>>2817511
Sinix started in his 20s the guy from markdrawingtutorials started at 25

>>2817272
Stop.
Shut up.
Go outside for a bit.
Go fucking draw and stop over thinking it.

Every artist feels this way off/on. Just get over it and keep drawing. You're a kid, even if you just started drawing today you would still be fine.

Or give up and feel like shit. It's up to you honestly

>>2817504
Aw damn I turned 20 last year. Oh well.

>>2817698
Acquiring the dexterity to use your drawing tool is like 10% of drawing, and you should get max level at it by doing drawabox exercises for a year or so.

Come on, have you ever drawn before?

>>2818756
I'm talking about the foundation skills. Like the first few drawabox lessons. How to draw shapes consistently, the mechanical skills, an understanding of basic 3D shapes. Already knowing this allows them to skips a lot of grinding they would have to do as adults.

>abloo bloo bloo!

The thread.

>>2817636
Shit!0 thanks for the advice, i'm 29... so... what job do you recomend me now, McDonalds or Starbuks?

>>2819068
A noose

>>2817272
Come here OP

>>2817272
>18 y/o life crisis
>life
>crisis
>18 y/o

Ahahahahaha.

>>2819068

Get training and work as a caretaker, welder or similar high demand work

>>2819113
hahahaha omg you're not even 23 yet.

>>2818782
I know you only started a year or so ago and you don't wanna hear this but my original point in a sense was that someone that's already made a million mistakes is always going to have an edge over someone who's only made a thousand. I'm not saying don't try but I can almost feel your pretentiousness through my fucking keyboard.

>>2819059
Yup. The problem is a lot of people here seem to be convinced that the fundamentals are where it all begins. They don't want to think about the stuff that might make them less "right for art" than others that they have no control over. Except the irony is people usually get butthurt over the people who are kinda born for it when I'm talking about talent people have been developing their whole lives giving them an edge later.

It's like they're saying "waah how dare you have any kind of advantage over me even if you earned it!" This place is practically Tumblr.

>>2817272
All your peers did the hard/boring work you aren't willing to do

You don't save every useful study or tutorial or reference you come across
You don't do drawing exercises every day
You don't find new things to study
You probably think perspective is useless

I could go on but basically: DONT COMPLAIN IF YOURE NOT WILLING TO DO THE WORK

>>2817272
Yeah , that trick is called talent. It's good that you realized sooner than later that you lack talent. I suggest you give up and find something else to do with your life.

>>2817272
Stop what you're doing.
Stop playing your games and your films.
Stop going on /v/, youtube, reddit, tumblr.
Stop doing anything.
Go to /beg/.
Draw.

18 years old is baby tier in terms of art