/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

maybe too advanced but drapery is always nice to look at/try to draw

>>2814252
Is this good?

>>2808266
Call the art police, I'm an art criminal

>>2814256
>take time trying to get the outline to look ok
>start placing eyes and nose
>move around the outline so the proportions are better
>everything becomes fucked and unsalvageable
>end up wasting time trying to make a turd look nice

I want to practice properly, but it feels like I'm not learning from my mistakes. Feels bad man.

>>2814374

I will do a overlay ontop of the original tomorrow for you work, since I am gonna head to bread.

But, notice the slight, very subtle details.

Notice how the eyebrows are off for instance, they are slightly angled down in the original image, angled down to the imaginary vertical center of the face.

The left side of the mouth needs to be extended to the left some more.

Also the jawline at the left bottom is not flat that much and for thay long in the original image, it slightly curves at a few different angles up until meeting up to the ear.

The entire left side of the face should also be moved to the right, there is too much space on the left side of the face.

(For left and right sides, I am refering to directly looking at the image)

I think its theres is a slight problem with observational visual measurements skills at this stage, try to notice the subtler details, the angles and using features of the face as referencd measurement points to self-check your work.

Don't worry and don't get too frustrated. Go into drawing with a strong head for success, not failure in mind, making mistakes is normal, it is litterally the process, don't sweat it.

>>2814374
You're leagues ahead of me. Don't give up.

>>2814374

Also, don't fall for the "polishing a turd" meme at this point.

Put as much detail into it as you possibly, it's to both challenge your visual detail skills and help you notice where more detail can be applied.

That meme is for other situations, but atm, just cram as much detail in there as possible, skip the shading and rendering for now.

And keep pumping out drawings, don't draw just the bare minimum of a face with errors and drop it, step back and review it, notice the mistake areas and areas that need to be corrected and go continue on the work from there on the piece.

>>2814412
>>2814427

Excuse my spelling, I'm tired as shit atm.

>>2814412
Dang I wasn't expecting such a thorough critique. Thanks so much, I'll try again.

>>2814418
Thanks man

practicing

Reposting in hope for an answer.

Can someone explain to me how does brachialis work? As in, when is it clearly visible and makes any difference in the form of the arm. Right now it seems like biceps and lower arms just cover it completely. Is it even visible on a lean person?

Also, is there any decent tutorial how to draw elbows? Or should I just continue on directly to the lower arm muscles?

>>2814367
Looks like Cameron Monaghan

I still have major trouble with perspective or sth
Like I can sense the space, but when I draw actual details I always fuck up things, like position in space, and ratio of object
Do I have to go full autist and calculate everything to make it right?

Please Critique!

ref
>>2812550

I know the eyes are misaligned, but what else is wrong? Is there some uncanny valley going on here?

>>2814374
Attempt #2. Spent over an hour on this. It's hardly any better. I've learned nothing.

>>2814481
Post ref

>>2814256
Well, it doesn't look like him. Looks less sport go-er, more gay businessman looking for a back alley favor. 10 minute sketch with random pencil. Right side should be even with the left, just held my sketchpad at a weird angle.

Honestly if you want to sharpen your skills, draw from ballet.

Body pose and definition, fabric and pattern, movement, expression (during mimes)... It's pretty much got it all.

This particular shot is from the 2012 Nutcracker at the Mariinsky. Very romantic, loooooots of pink.

>>2814488
>>2814481
ref

>>2814502
pretty much nailed it, you got the derpy dyke look down pat

>>2814460
I'm curious. Do you feel like you're improving?

>>2814460
Why do you draw the back of people's heads

>>2814525
Guess he's creeping on people on the bus/train.

>>2814521
Yes

>>2814525
This >>2814527

>>2814257
what

>>2814361
ever

>>2814460
I've seen you before. Are you doing Draw a Box or some Scott Adam's stuff? Just curious.

>>2814471
it looks pretty accurate desu. But I don't understand why I think it looks pretty derpy. I think it's the mouth and teeth. Yeah if i block it it looks better. I think you should work on lips some more.

>>2814541
>>2814542
What's with the passive agressive "whatevers" everyone posts along their pieces?

>>2814367
Do you mean the fag police because you're a huge monster homo?

>>2814554
Venting.
I see a lot of mistakes and am angry.
If I pre-dismiss my stuff, it's easier to be told how bad it is later.
Etc.

>>2814566
>pre-dismiss

Or just keep it to yourself instead of doing this cringe "i know i'm bad haHAA" act you have going on

>>2814569
I'm sorry it pains you so, but I'm not going to do that.

>>2814575
i personally don't care but if you're alright with looking immature then power to you my man lmao

>>2814255
I wanna git gud. What stupid mistakes am i making?

>>2814255
resized because i fucked up

I wanna git gud. What stupid mistakes am i making?

Hello, how do I improve the quality of my autistic manchild fantasies ?
All criticism and advise welcome

>>2814585
would be a lot better if you rotate and resized

>>2814579
I'm a nobody on an anonymous website, and I don't exactly have a load of fans/companies/insane exes anxiously tracking my progress/personal style. I think I can spare a vague word or two.
Thanks for the power.

>>2814592
>>2814575
>tumblr gifs

ye christ

>>2814544
Hey man, do you mean Robertson? Or are talking about the guy how made Dilbert?

I do use Robertsons warming up exercises, but I am currently work trough Eric Olson's perspective course.

>>2814485
I think it's better than the first. It's like your Daniel Craig, I think the face is too long. I always do the same too, so I'm not the best person to help you fix it. But for example on from the picture, the length of his right eye horizontally should be similar to the length from the inside corner of his right eye to the bottom of the nose.

>>2814255

>>2814607
Thanks, this works a bit better. I'm not sure why I keep stretching out the faces so much when doing the outline. I'd rather make the outline to fit the features, not fit the outline to match the features.

>>2814596
>Eric Olson's perspective course
where get

>>2814664
New masters academy.

I also believe they have it on cgpeers.

>>2814460
>you can tell the numale millenials brom their back

Also like your line art

reminder to take a short nap before drawing. will increase your progress

>>2814710
tfw I can't fall asleep during the day

>>2814711
thats the beauty of a nap. its similar to meditation. you dont need to sleep, just be still for a while.

These are my attempts at gesture drawing, 2 minutes. Am I doing it right?

I read a bunch of Youtube videos about it, including Proko and what I don't get is:
>Gestures is all about the flow you see in the drawing
>You need to be free and have fun with it
>Goes ahead and puts a bunch of rules and CSI shit on it

I'm fairly new at this so maybe I'm not getting it. Right now I'm just doing it my own way rather than follow what most of these youtube videos say.

>>2814252

Is it okay to use construction when drawing as a normal habit?

>>2814256

how is it

>>2814734
Of course that is the point, its not cheating if that's what you are thinking.

>>2814749

I mean physically drawing construction lines, here is an example of the lines I used to help me get the construction right.

Which I highlighted in red on the bottom right image.

>>2814753

Forgot the link to the previous post in the thread I posted in, here it is. >>2813605

>>2814753
Yes those help you measure your reference, i mean people should do them but some don't.
Even if you don't have a reference, you can measure the figure with other body parts like eyes or heads.
You can draw any amount of measurement lines as you wish, just don't trace or go over the reference with a ruler that doesn't help you.

Did not really have time to draw too much today. Might finish the bridge.
>>2814692
Yeah, its true. Thanks for the kind words anon.

>>2814757

Working on a new drawing.

I am sometimes overlaying the original layer with the drawing layer to see if they match up and if they don't, I take off the drawing overlay and go back to working separately in a different layer to correct the mistake and continue on from there, I am guessing that is cheating.

Or should I just overlay the original at the end instead of throughout the process to auto-correct?

>>2814257
Feedback?

>>2814764
I did that myself at one point and it is somewhat cheating.
I would probably first finish the drawing to the point its still sketchy but you think the measurements are correct, then take step back and try hard to look for mistakes,
it sometimes help if you zoom out on both images to a thumbnail size at least with values, even after that you don't see any major mistakes i would check the drawing with the reference on top of the picture.

>>2814771

That's what I thought, thanks

Usually I draw from just raw observation, but I then added some construction lines, and then tried overlaying the image to see if it was correct.

But I mainly draw from observation, than this new current drawing I am doing.

Thanks, wasn't too sure on that one.

I want to practice more to improve but I get really anxious starting a new drawing. I have loads of free time but barely get any mileage because of this. Has anyone here overcame a similar issue somehow?

>>2814775
No, whenever you feel like this take a pen and draw anything, just doodle or draw dicks if that's what you want,
keep that pen moving even if you have no motivation, start with simple things and when that motivation hits you get straight to studying.

>>2814775
maybe try drawing on scraps of paper, so you don't feel it has to be perfect, you can just throw it out

The lineart wasnt supposed to be there but Im retarded and I messed up the layers and noticed it too late

pls rate

>>2814255

Doodle of my fursona to get a feel of how to draw her in various outfits. I know it's shit quality you don't have to tell me

>>2814809
And here's a project I had to do for my art class that I'm pleased with. Critique would be appreciated.

>>2814809
>>2814812
The quality of these a literally light years apart.

Also read the op.

>>2814725
I'd say you're getting it anon. The point is to have lively drawings rather than flat ones and you've achieved that.

>>2814766
the eyes feel a little big in their sockets

>>2814812
tiny and messy

>>2814766

Made me think of this, lol.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrzrOyeo5o8&feature=youtu.be&t=70

>>2814596
Ahh messed up his name. Sorry but yes that guy

I like owls.

What version of photoshop do they use in ctrl+paint? What version is good to start with?

Some 15 min. sketches someone told me from a previous thread to work on. Here are some of them now, would appreciate some advice.

1/3 (so far)

I think the right eye is out of place which fucks up the likeness.
1. Need to learn to do hair.
2. I seem to get bored of rendering with pencil cos it doesn't look very aesthetically pleasing to me, maybe should learn to do it properly.
3. I wholly admit this thread is just a journal for me.

opinions, iv been trying to get a good style for comic's.

>>2814801
>>2814542

Those are really nice !

>>2814865
The one that is available for download. CS3 and above is good for digital painting/drawing.

>>2814944
Your eyes are fucked.

>>2814938
Stop chasing style.

Rate

>>2814809
>fursona
>female
>>2814758
your boxes are sometimes off i've noticed. your vertical lines sometimes arent vertical.
>>2814801
symbols
>>2814938
generally ok, design is boring. if you are in /beg/ then train fundamentals not style.
>>2814989
proportion and loomis

>>2815060
Not him but how do you use Loomis when copying a reference? I understand using lines and measuring, but how do you construct using spheres, cilinders etc.
If you can nail the position and size of the, let's say, head circle, at this point you can draw directly the line, isn't it?

>>2815066
draw a sphere where the head should roughly be, a cylinder for the neck, etc. As you draw more, you refine that sphere into the actual head shape, neck shape, etc.

The point is that it's easy to correct when you're in the construction phase if you realize the ear oval for example is too high or low. If you commit to a line without constructing first, it may be off, but it's too late to change that so your finished product in wonky looking.

>tfw quickposes is trolling you with deliberately wacky poses

>reading keys to drawing
>one of the first exercises is to hold your hand in front of you, perfectly still, fingertips pointed to your eyes
Is this exercise supposed to make me feel physically uncomfortable? My hand feels cramped.

>>2815087
ngmi, just quit now

>>2815087
Not gonna make it.

>>2815119
>>2815095
I've got NEETbux, so I don't need to make it. I just want to get decent for the fun of it.

>>2815126
not gonna make it

>>2815126
>can't even use your hand properly
>thinks he'll have fun drawing
go back to watching anime

>>2815126
being a beginner is hell, why on earth would you want to do it without wanting to be good?

>>2815126
>there are people literally getting free money and choosing art as a hobby with no desire of getting good
>meanwhile I work at a wageslave job i hate all day and come home to struggle at improving all night
don't know if this is a gift or a curse

>>2815140
Also people lie. Just shut out everything and focus. You'll get good as long as you don't give up.

>>2814584
you're doing ok.. measure a bit more before worrying about shading.

So do I understand right that I need to grind gestures like this for a long time until I git gud? And then I can apply that to drawing figures constructed "from scratch"?

I know I'm shit right now no bully pls

Wow we really are just made out of boxes

>>2815156
Those are not gestures. You are not acknowledging and showing the most basic of a pose's most powerful curves.

If anything, read Force by Michael Mattesi. It'll show you how to recognize how and where to place lines in your gesture drawing.

>>2815156
>>2815162
No, what you need to do instead is read the sticky and go through KTD. You're at the most basic level of beginner and human figures (especially "from scratch) would be too much of a feat at this point.

>>2815162
link

>>2815167
kill yourself

>>2815167
i've never heard of a country where google is outlawed

>>2815169
fight me cunto

>>2815174
China

>>2815174
Cuba

>>2814374
I'm new to this board (not to drawing) and hopefully no one will slap me for saying this, but tracing helped me learn a lot about placement. Just never present a trace as your own work, of course.

>>2815191
post your merc_wip faggot

>>2815191
what is tracing

>>2815201
baby don't hurt me

>>2814442
looks good, anon

>>2814809
Cute and works for a cartoony character.
However the shoulders feel a bit dragged down with no shape

Off to any good of a start with these guidelines?
As in.. am I on the right track?

>>2815225
Do you hear the whispering?

It's saying "Hampton" and "Vilppu".

>>2815225

No, this is symbol drawing. Look up bargue plates and learn how to block in with angular lines.

>>2815225
you are symbol constructing

>>2815225
You're no where close to the reference

>>2815233
>symbol drawing
>in the construction phase

wat

>>2815269
Do you understand the definition of symbol drawing?

>>2815271

I know what it means, but surely in construction everything is just shapes and contours?

>>2815232
>>2815233
>>2815236
>>2815257
Is this what I should've shown and called guidelines or am I getting it all wrong afterall. As for the lectures, my thanks, though probably should've noticed them earlier back in the board sticky.
Also, mind elaborating on what the idea behind symbol drawing?
I hot everything turned upside down just now.. and I'd rather be able to catch myself doing that very least mistake.

>>2815282
I think the problem most of the people was having is that you were focused on the contours of the person rather than building it up.

>>2815278
Not necessarily. In it's purest form, it's just drawing what you think you see and not truly what you see. This is evident in that anon's image. Angles that are off and etc.

>>2815137
I don't think I'm physically able or mentally disciplined enough to ever get good. I have a lot of free time though, so I might as well try. I'm sure if I keep at it, I'll someday make a drawing that doesn't make me cringe. I look forward to that day, and want to do what I can to bring it closer.

>>2815087
>tfw thought how done for I am, considering I have shaky hands due neurosis
>do the exercise and suddenly find out how oddly calm your hand is after a drawing session

>>2815313
wut. what's the point of doing this

>>2815325
he doesn't want to put in the hard work but hopes that somehow something magical will happen that will make everything work out

spoiler: it won't

he doesn't seem like someone who would be convinced otherwise so let him do his thing idk

>>2815347
I can't put in the hard work, I'm just too lazy and stupid. But I've got nothing better to do with my time, so I might as well see how far I can get half-assing it. I'm sorry if this bothers you.

So I'm trying to do the simplifying thing by drawing boxes and cylinders over pictures. Am I doing this right?

>>2815357
kinda unrelated, but some of your strokes seem to lack confidence (specially in the head)

If you are just starting, I would recommend to read keys to drawing first.

>>2814888
This is gorgeous.

>>2815357
It's good to do that as a start when you're trying to get your head around the idea of human construction, but you should do it over a blank canvas from now on rather than directly on the ref.

>>2815355
I mean it doesn't matter if you're doing this for fun. You'll probably find more fulfillment compared to the rest in this thread doing endless studies and no fun works. But don't tell me you can put in the hard work and that you're just lazy rofl

>>2815355
As someone who has half-assed for 9 months. The progress hasnt been great.

>>2815413
>10 months in
>still begginer

Damn it how do I mentally prepare myself for this? I want to draw but I keep bringing myself down. Do i meditate on this? Do I just say fuck it and draw with reckless abandon? I wanna make it. I WANNA MAKE IT

>>2815357
im gonna need that original pic anon

>>2815425
quit your job

>>2815420
Well in 9 months I could have done a whole lot better. I didn't because I drew 2 hours and day and still have yet get past 40 pages in any drawing book.

>>2815437
What have you been drawing? Do you think you've made any progress at all?

>>2815425
You want to start but I doubt you will like to finish. My best advice is to make an habit to come in here. You'll probably move to other boards. Unless it motivates you to create OC or fan art, I don't recommend getting distracted by them.

trying to follow Right Side

viewfinders are a meme, right? i think i could have drawn my hand better without the piece of glass slipping on my fingers

>>2815440
I have done literally 0 still lifes, gestures, figure drawing and a couple portraits. I'd say sure I have improved but like I said I could have done a lot better.

>>2815430
momo shiina

I've evolved! Not much but it's progress.

Thanks to the anon who gave me guidance!

And the one who told me to fuck off and do 100 before posting.

I'll be doing steve huston head gesture everyday!

>reading keys to drawing
>"draw the big complex outline first"
>gives examples of perfectly copied outlines

Is Bert tracing these?

>>2815520
Nope.
Is not actually not that hard to copy when you know what you are doing. Just keep going and you will understand.

First time trying to apply color to grayscale please help

ref
>>2812550

>>2815524
You are not very good at rendering
or copying
Let the rendering lessons settle for later, focus on the fundamentals first

I want to read through an art book all the way through, holding off on doing the exercises until I'm done. Is that allowed?

>>2815467

No problem.

Much better!

Still a few minor details off, but it is still looking really solid.

That right nostril shouldn't be that much higher than the left, also, the left nostril should be angled slightly more.

The area between the bottom left jaw/chin area line should be angled up more. Smooth out that sharp point at the bottom left jawline as well.

Also, the left eye brow should be a little bit lower in relation to the right eyebrow and angles downwards more on the left end curve.

The right side neck, bring the neck line on the right side in some more and curve it the other way, outwards, rather than curved inwards as you have it atm.

Other than that it is looking great, you are making some awesome progress.

>>2815538
Not him but thanks for taking the time to critique, it makes these threads worthwhile.

>>2815535
Just make sure you practice in some way or another. Doodle or something. If you want to go do the exercises after you've read the book through once, there shouldn't be any problems.

The problem is if you're procrastinating. Practice, anything at all, is important. If you're just reading after a while, nothing's changed.

>I am a beginner
>Sent to beginner thread from my thread... Can't delete, too old.
>Still working on confident lines and shapes and basic perspective.

My plan was daily repetition of tracing, reference drawing, and memory drawing, in 20-minute segments.

That was wrong. Some people were kind enough to explain why. I've dropped tracing, and dropped references. I'm working on constructing basic objects in perspective from memory or imagination.

Still in the very beginning stages, but I drew a few boxy cars to break up the monotony.

I kept the 20-minute time limit, because I'm not going to waste hours polishing a turd; I make much more progress by looking at the mistakes and starting over. Here's today's 3. There's visible progress, which makes me happy.

First one is shit. Very shit. I know this already.

Second one.

Less shit. Still super basic.

Third will be last, not going to clog the thread.

Third one, last one.

Much less shit. Still many perspective issues.

Oh well. Lines are better.

FUCK forgot to resize. Read the height only.

Fuck it.
>>2815552
>>2815550
>>2815549

>>2814827
Oh thank you very much! I'm glad someone thinks I'm getting it right.

>>2815549
>>2815550
>>2815552
Pretty solid stuff.
If you want to go crazy, but not engineer blueprint crazy, try pic.

It's biggest flaw is that it will make keeping track of lines a living nightmare.
vkDOTcomSLASHdoc4043932_291981086?hash=172533ac19c28103d0&dl=bb3621eee4ba3fe005

Something experimental I have recently finished, I feel like a black and white ink style should be done on the next one.
Opinions and suggestions?

>>2814485

You're getting there, but you are still kind of stuck on a pseudo symbol drawing loop, not your fault.

I think some facial measurement proportion tutorials would help some.

But, you are understanding it, and improving, major features are slightly off, but they are technically correct.

Notice though how the eye brows aren't just a flat shape, they are angled down slightly, and crooked at the ends that taper off onto the side of the lower brow of the head.

But for the most part you are progressing well so far, just widen the face on the right side and exaggerate the right side facial lines.

You are doing fine.

>>2815568

Derp, scratch that bit out about the eyebrows, I was looking at this one when I was writing it, lol. >>2814374

But it is looking good atm, keep at it.

>>2815448

Skip the viewfinder and the glass, that will come later, that and you will learn about composition and focal points on your own, they are not too hard to understand.

Just focus on drawing an accurate hand, though skip that shading for now, yuck. (not to be mean)

Shading with pencils starting off can be very tricky.

When drawing hands, use the formula as a vague reference reminder, your hand is 50% palm and 50% fingers, that index finger is way too long and thick, as well as the middle finger.

The thumb as well is way too long, almost as long as the index finger itself, and nearly the entire width to length of the palm itself.

>>2815560

Interesting, thank you..

Took a glance through. Gleaned some thoughts on how to drop some of my perspective guide lines... And how to figure the scaling with the axle lines before I start laying out the borders and reference points.

It's just an exercise for improving my eye for perspective and scaling without boring myself to death.

Endgame, shooting for a level of realism and detail somewhere in the upper half of the "comic book" range.

Just have to build the basic competency first. My next goal is to be able to drop the perspective lines entirely and visualize the horizon.

I'd like to add people and animals to the mix before too long, but it's easier to nail down the fundamentals on rigid things with straighter lines.

15 min. sketches, some other anon recommend I should do about 10 of them or so, maybe more, so here is 1/3, so far.

>>2815584

2/3

>>2815585

3/3

Any advice?

>>2814485
You're leaps and bounds ahead of me. Keep at it. I enjoy watching you learn. :D

>>2814834
Thanks, I did draw the pupils too big

>>2814842
kek
Is this a good thing?

semi quick practice. it's the OP from the kstew thread on /hr/.

>>2814554
Cause everyone that gives criticism on here gives it in the most condescending arrogant cuntish way possible, i imagine most people posting are just gearing themselves up for it by including comments that in a way are bracing for it

My arms are tired, my wrist is sore, and I'm bored of drawing, and it's only been 20 minutes. How long will it be until I make it if I keep up this amount of daily practice?

>>2815652
Don't think about time just do it until you're good at it.

Am I gonna make it guys?

Attempt at loomis heads, please help

>>2815764
right now, because your spheres are wobbly, your heads are quite wobbly as well. in my opinion, you should use the ellipse tool to create the sphere base until you can draw a sphere well freehand (by specifically trying to improve your freehand sphere drawing skill). or better yet, practice freehand spheres and then draw your loomis heads on the decent ones.

make sure your center line is actually straight from the browline down to the center of the chin. (the center line curves in on the fifth, making his chin look weak af).

on the last head, remember that the nose line indicates the position of the BASE of the nose, not the tip.

>>2815060
Yeah, I seem to have a hard time pulling off verticals. Need to pay more attention when doing them. Thank you for the feedback anon.

>>2815764
your features are symbols
go train 3d

What do you guys think?

noob question

So I understand we need to do gesture, which is based on overall outline and shape, and I understand we need to do construction, which is based on carefully building the body from primitive shapes, but how do these concepts come together? They seem like complete opposites.

Is gesture more important for drawing from life as opposed to imagination?

>>2815835
nice colours, nice aesthetic, a bit amateurish (measuring) but you will fix that with more practise
you didnt trace deathwing did you?

>>2815829
here comes that fucking horrible infographic some guy who has been drawing for 3 weeks made

whats the best shoulder simplification?

>>2815849
you got me

I really don't draw, but I'm thinking about starting up. I recently found a used wacom tablet for cheap to edit photos with, and this is the first thing that I drew. Any first impressions? The reference for this is the famous photo from that one Bernie rally. By the way, I did a small amount of tracing to keep things proportional. Not ready to develop my own compositions yet.

>>2815858
Tracing is fine or whatever if you're in the pre-learning stage. Anything to get yourself to fall in love with the process of drawing. But once you get the grind started then tracing is something you should avoid, no matter how big or small.

Your next step here is to read the sticky.

ref from old thread >>2812478


any advice on simplifying hair to render for quick sketches? because goddam i sure havent figured it out

i hate skin. its coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere

>>2815867
didnt know you liked star wars eric

>>2815868
i fucking love star wars. i did this gouache still life and asked for a crit and anons just called me a faggot for liking star wars

>>2815872
i have a recommendation for you

>>2815904
shitpost on /tv/? i already do that

>>2815911
have you considered practising your drawing so that you get better?

>>2815912
no but ill try it. gonna do some gestures in a min. im not going to post though untill i get a big batch ready

>>2815524
I think it looks very good actually

>>2815448
ditched the viewfinder, a bit more satisfied now

i think i made the creases by the wrist too black/thick

Has anyone here started out with yet overcame drawing anxiety? I can spend hours procrastinating, glancing at a blank page, thinking how nice it would be to practice, but if I don't practice properly I won't improve and be stuck with ugly shameful drawings.

Anyone else have trouble focusing? 3 minutes of gesture drawings and it feels like my head is about to explode. Thinking is difficult

>>2815990
That's how it feels when you are learning things, get used to it.

>>2815577
Another anon who's halfway through this book here. You mean to tell me I should not have used the viewfinder for this exercise? I thought the whole point of the viewfinder was to work as a training wheel before you work it off later in the gestalt chapter.

>>2816014

Which edition book are you using, gimme a sec. real quick, working on some stuff quick.

>>2814361
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck

>>2815568
Thanks for the critique, I'll keep trying. I just got to the part in KTD that explains the importance of finding the midway point in a subject, so maybe that will help.

>>2815607
Aww shucks, I'll do my best.

>>2816031
angle photo properly
resize pic
read sticky
stop symbol drawing
keep trying

>>2815990
if you're having fun you're not doing it right

>>2816048
And most important of all stop drawing on lined paper.

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>>2814252
Roast me.
Does this looks like fur to you?

>>2814481
The problem is the upper left portion of the face. Her forehead is jutting out a sliver too much from the original reference and throws it off. I'd also recommend pushing the left eye over a few centimeters and fix the bridge of the nose closest to that eye by curving it a little less diagonally.

>>2816060
Looks really spot on, good job.

Can someone help? I'm trying to draw this from imagination but the anatomy (especially torso) looks really off. It's just a sketch but I want to check myself before I wreck myself. I get into the habit of polishing turds too often.

tried to spend less time so I could do 2 pics in the time i'd spend on 1, is that a good idea?

>>2816029
4th ed.

>>2816075
ARE YOU BEING SARCASTIC

>>2816031
10/10

I want to eventually be able to make pieces like that polish guy who made concept art for dishonored 2, but i lack fundamentals. What should i begin with? Perspective? Anatomy? Or it doesn't matter? I started peter han's course that I found on cgpeers but I got to a point where I was expected to have some of the basic fundamentals already so i dropped it. Whenever I sit down to draw on my tablet I end up checking artststion and getting depressed that I can't put my ideas down to canvas and literally every stroke I make is wrong.Could someone spoonfeed me on that? I know it takes years to be decent at best and I'm willing to work hard, but I have no idea how to start.

What you do guys think about using lasso/transform/warp/liquify? Bad habit?

>>2816169
They're crutches if you use them during practicing.

>>2816164
Learn to break things into simple geometric shapes.

Understanding Values.

Basic Perspective.

Basic Composition.

Gesture.

Now go fucking find the sources. It all depends on how bad you want it.

>>2816153
I hope you lose your eyes

>>2816164
Sticky.
Seriously.
If you still feel confused, go for keys to drawing, from bert dodson.
Usually when I got stuck I would pick a book about that subject.
I'm >>2816060 and got stuck in a part where it was asking me to draw a dog or something but I sucked at fur so I picked up "keys to draw fur and feathers". And it basically has been like that, anything that I get stuck or feel I lack confidence I just pick up a book about it. I havent finnished bert dodson keys because of that.

>>2816059
read the sticky

>>2814256
I tried

>>2814256
I think he came out alright

How come the sticky doesn't link to the discord anymore? Did Nose go rogue? Anybody wanna throw me a link?

>>2814255
Tried drawing this after learning about finding the midway point. I spent over 45 minutes on this, trying to be careful about drawing the outline and the proportions correctly. I feel so bad right now.

>>2816245
I feel so awful I forgot to attach the image.

>>2816246
Have you done Bargue? Because that's exactly what Bargue is for.

>>2816245
Don't be so hard on yourself, you know..you learned from doing this piece..and the next time you will be faster and better.
I feel like you know yourself what flaws you made in your drawing, The only thing I can tell you is to draw more.

are there any tricks for drawing hair and facial hair? every time I try it looks like spaghetti

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>>2816251
But Bargue is Bargue isn't it? It's not actual faces.

>>2816277
He didn't have trouble with "actual faces", he had trouble with "finding the midway point and drawing the outline and proportions correctly".

>>2816245
beyond any technical abilities the best thing you can realize and become comfortable with is that you're going to be bad at first

>>2816230
define alright

>>2816078
Loomis m8

Or any other figure drawing

Don't just make shit up

>>2816305
:(

When drawing from life and observing, do I need to construct with shapes or use my eyes? I'm so confused as to how the absolute beginner process is.

>>2816352
Both
You see shapes and try to apply them to your drawing.
I usually try doing a loose sketching as fast as I can, then construct from there.

>>2816270
You really need to read Keys to Drawing before attempting anything else.

>>2816356
So I don't just eye the lines really carefully and follow with my hand? Shit I'm a fucking idiot I've been doing it wrong this whole time.

>>2816371
Lol no m8
You start by making a loose sketch, then Little by Little you build up.

Contour first, details later.

Something like in pic

why does her face look so weird? I drew some lines over and it all seems proportionally normal i.e. hairline and nose at thirds, five eyes across. So why does she look weird?

>>2816376
Her eyes are fucking huge.

>>2816377
Is that the girl from spiderman and birman?
r/ing that scene in birdman where he is screaming at the protagonist and looks like her eyes about to murder him

>>2816377
so she just has a relatively wide face? what's the 'ideal' head width relative to height?

>>2814256
I need to stop chicken scratching.
Also how the fuck do I even begin drawing a beard?

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>>2816392
not entirely sure what this means.

>>2816397
you're cymbal drawing

I feel like drawing faces from references is useless at my skill level.
Like, I can only copy the lines that make up whatever I'm looking at, and I don't feel like I've learned anything after I'm done.

>>2816400
Then don't just copy lines. Construct the face and think about it as you're doing it.

If keys to drawing is the absolute beginning, how am I supposed to know how to construct things If I know nothing about constructing with shapes or even how to draw shapes?

>>2816400
Drawing faces is literally beginner level shit, if you can't do that. Quit forever and leave. /ic/ will meme you about construction and to draw 3D shapes and shit. They're just wasting your time.

>>2816399
I tried not to, but I have no idea what I'm doing wrong (or rather how to do it right).

Like, I feel for example I feel like I did the ear better than the rest, because I can actually see some forms there, but I have no idea how to do the rest of the face.

>>2816376
Photos like usually edited and they have different camera lenses for different effects.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--dLuLjk5j--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18kxy5bbtul32jpg.jpg

>>2816404
>If you're a beginner and you can't draw faces properly, leave
I know very little about drawing, but this sounds pretty retarded.
How would I know how to draw faces if I don't know how to draw faces.

>>2816414
That's why you figure it.
Drawing stuff you already know how to draw is comfort zone.
Beginners don't understand how to leave it apparently.

>>2814255

Whenever I draw for more than five or ten minutes, my hands start cramping up like crazy. It's worse with tablets, but I still get it when using normal pens and pencils. I do have dysgraphia, but my dysgraphia is supposed to be muscle memory related since it also affects gaming and typing. What do?

>>2816415
I was just replying to the
>leave
comment.
And I'm fine with leaving my comfort zone, I just feel like I'm doing it without having any direction, so I'm just blindly stumbling, without actually learning much.

>>2816419
why would you disrespect david like this

>>2816423
That's just a typical beginner scenario. It's impossible for them to study efficiently because they aren't at a high enough level yet to know how to.
What really matters is that they improve at all so they can reach that level no matter how long it takes them or else they'll just be incompetent their whole life.

>>2816432
Ref.

>>2816433
I wonder why you chose this as your ref

I've been following Keys to drawing for 14 days now, and I really like the fact that the author doesn't start with "simple" subjects and just treats every subject as equally simple; this really helped me get over some of my fear and anxiety about drawing, and by now I feel like I could take a stab at anything what so ever - it might not look good, but I can still try. Despite this, I still feel a bit of anxiety when thinking about starting something new. I look at something, and it looks complex, and I'm like "dayum nigga, shit's gon be hard", but it never is as hard or painful as I make it out to be.

Anyway, I feel inclined to ask "how do I get over this anxiety", but I feel I already know the answer: draw more; so I guess this is just sort of a newbie vent. Does anyone else feel this kind of anxiety? It's crippling even, as in, I could've drawn for four hours and instead only drew for 2 because I'm too busy being a little pussy bitch.

>>2816435
He's a liberal fag who likes a man who pretends to be "a man's mam who works with wood and eats meat" when in reality that TV is star is a yuppie anti gun fag who wines and complains about the same stuff Ellen and Oprah do.

>>2816435
Fun little details, and I like the expression. I also feel the need to hone my skill in drawing hair especially, and Offerman just happens to be one hairy motherfucker.

>>2816438
Everyone feels that way and also know the answer. Although usually they don't say the answer because most people can't bite the bullet.

>Start drawing
>Take measures.
>Start building it.
>Notice all my measures are off
>Erase most of the drawing, take measures again.
>As I'm drawing this again notice all my measures are off again.

Fuck. Is it normal for a newbie to take measures again and again or am I a special kind of retard?

Been going at this for at least half an hour and I'm still not satisfied with the proportions in my drawing.

>>2816464
Yes, it's normal, but you really should just move on to rendering after a while. A newbie won't get it right no matter what. Unless he's an extremist like people who do Bargue. Heard an anon said he spent EIGHT hours on just measuring.

>>2816440
>all of this projecting
whoa

>>2816443
Sometimes it feels ridiculous. You wouldn't believe for how long I postponed this exercise (pic related) just because I felt I was going to fuck up drawing the thing before shading.

I need to get more used to the feeling of failing, and I need to not make it such a big deal.

>>2816480
You seem a lot like me but better, more talented, and probably with a higher sperm count.

>>2816464
This is what I ended up with, I'm pretty happy with how the face turned out but everything else is fucked.

>>2816507
Probably because you choose a super difficult pose that has intense foreshortening.

>>2816507
>I'm pretty happy with how the face turned out
4 real?

>>2816507
S y m b o l

>>2816510
I mean, the measurings were good enough, obviously it's not a good drawing in itself but comparing it to other shit I've done it's a satisfying result.

>>2816509

It's not objectively more difficult than any other angle to draw, it just exposes more of your errors since you can't symbol draw your way out of it.

>>2816515
Except that her portrait has no fucking forehead. A little more and she would be a cone-head.

Her drawing looks like Peruvian mulan for fuck sake

>>2816507
Foreshortening

>>2815861
block in the shape then paint in the highlights.

no reference just did. no bully pls

Is multitasking bad for progress? I like to listen to podcasts but I feel like I can't pay attention to both. But maybe its just that im still in the beginner mode where im psyching myself out about whether anything im doing is working. Maybe just calm music at the start or does drawing require full mental focus at all stages?

think it looks froggy enough. left eye slightly too high (and big probably)

>>2816587
I can only listen to podcasts or similar when I'm rendering.
Lineart and reading drawing books require most of my attention, so yeah, you should be able to do it, but with a big BUT in that disclosure.

>>2816521
Fuck, didn't notice how much of a difference the forehead made, now she doesn't look like some kind of southamerican girl anymore, thanks dude.

>>2816544
Is it supposed to be a tranny? If so, good job.

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>>2814265
This took me almost 5 hours. How is that people make complete pieces in that time.

>>2816712
I like it, but you shouldn't stop there, keep adding details.

>>2816732
>How is that people make complete pieces in that time.
First, they did it so much that it got easy and therefore fast.

>>2816732
>I like it, but you shouldn't stop there, keep adding details.
Thanks, i don't want to continue because i might make it worse, it's kind of a first for me and i dont know how to blend

>>2816732
Nice. Remember your edges - the left of the cloth that is in front of the shadow should be softer since it technically is in shadow. It looks very jarring (for something not in light at lesat) to be a hard edge in front of a soft cast shadow.

NEW THREAD

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>>2816735
It's just OK, it's not a masterpiece, you should try to push it as far as you can go. you didn't even add the reflected rim light on the right cherry.

>>2816737
Got it. I actually sharpened that part on purpose because I didn't knew that.
Thanks.

Why can't I into pixels, guise?
Just end my life, already

>>2816388
or a face for that matter.
sign* learn the lums

>>2814585
my criticism (as a beginner) is that while it's not technically great by many means, that looks cool as heck

>>2814460
drawing from behind gives you the benefit of not having to be good enough to sketch a face relatively quickly. I do the same thing. I want to see your faces anon!