/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Felt the same way. Was wondering how the fuck everyone can do it so quick. Though I didn't have IT. The gift, talent, the spark. Figured it was impossible for me to git gud.

But nah, those faggots just have more experience. Sneaky fuckers always downplaying their success.

Fuck the picasso exercise. If you did it right, it wouldn't have mattered. If you did it wrong, all that means is you're normal.

Yeah art takes fucking forever to get passable at because you can't do anything remotely useful until you're like fucking a year in and that's only if you did everything right.

The loomis shit is just guide lines. Which help you with proportions slightly.

All you need to do is take a lot of time to measure until you get it precisely right. That's how you'll get proportions correct and shit. That's what the picasso exercise wants you to do. If you can do this, you'll be a god at drawing because all it is is measuring.

Brague is good for this. Really teaches you sight-size drawing. Also blind contour. Just fucking really take your time to measure. Even if it takes you up to 8 hours on one drawing. Get it fucking as close to perfect as you can.

>>2808074
thank you anon

>Brague is good for this
what/who is Brague?

>>2808081
Fuck autocorrect fucked me up. I meant bargue plates.

If you don't have immediate success with Loomis you don't have the spark, plain and simple.

>i can't even do the fucking picasso exercise right. i have no idea how to gauge the proportions of a line and transfer it onto the page.
Confirmed for no ligameme, you lack the muscles necessary to stabilize and effectively control your hand. Your head is measuring, but your hand just fucks it up.

You can get good enough to draw memes in 2-3 years if you apply yourself, but you will never make it, accept it and move on.

>>2808065
>loomis "exercises"

Fucking love this meme

>>2808065

>loomis

Those are just construction guidelines. Really it often doesn't fucking matter, Loomis isn't for beginners. For beginners you have book like Dodson's "Key to Drawing" which has everything you will ever need. You master this, that is - drawing from real life, getting proportions and shapes right - and you are golden. Do you think beginner's portraits look bad because they don't know Loomis proportions? It's not the case, beginners draw loopsided noses, too big foreheads or too small chins not because they don't have construction skills (good one help, but not like they are often used by beginners), but because they are slightly off with some proportions and effect snowballs.

That guy is right kinda >>2808074 , I just would go with Dodson and drawing things around you at the beginning and not with grueling exercises like casts or Bargue plates, those are largely unnecessary, at least at this point.

Grab Dodson's book, do all exercises. Practice seeing shapes and getting proportions right.

>>2808065

Nobody has immediate success, everyone is shit for a year or more.

>>2808065
>>2808074
Have you guys learned basic perspective and spent a few months practicing basic shapes and forms? If not, that's your problem. That should be the place every artist starts.

>>2808171
>draw basic shapes and forms for months

Yeah no I'm not doing that.

>>2808181
Retard detected
Sorry, but >>2808092 is right.
You're pathetic little girl that cry when hard work is needed. You give up after 2 months of failure because of your testicles which are small and empty.
You will always fail at art because you have patience of bear in heat. Please give up art and give up life.

>>2808065
Cancelled my schoolism membership, sold my tablet, and threw away all of my sketchbooks.

Such a waste of time. And for what? It's completely unnecessary and serves no purpose.
Art is not needed, especially in today's society where the intellect, personality, and face reigns supreme.

To be honest, the "artistic lifestyle" seems almost like a childish endeavour at this point, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems like the most serious artists (asides from guys who are legit conceptartists/illustrators/porn artists but they represent a very low % of dedicated lifters) are also the people with nothing else going on in their lives.
I know this was true with me, I was biggest and most serious about drawing when I was still in uni, working only 15 hours a week, and pretty much just plucking around all the time, going out, with no real life.
To all you kids out there who are getting sucked into the comerical art , try to stop yourself.
So long as you have and maintain decent facial aesthetics, you'll be fine.
Art just not worth it.

Cheers.

>>2808211
>but I still post on art boards at 4 30 in the morning because my life's so great now that I'm a failed artist with facial aesthetics
If being an artist is pathetic, the only thing more pathetic can be someone who tried to be an artist and gave up because it was too hard.

>>2808181
You don't have to draw nothing but that basic prisms and shit (and I don't know why somebody would recommend that), you can learn that by drawing anything via construction.

Learning fundamentals doesn't need to be boring.

>>2808223
They just know not to waste their time.

>>2808092
Are you telling me the first step to drawing isn't actually learning how to draw, but a test to see if you even have the genetic ability to learn

>>2808253
Why did you think the first thing the sticky tells you is to draw the upside down stravinsky?
Did you think turning a shitty drawing upside down and copying it is how you learn to draw? Does the exercise even make sense to you coming from a sticky that yells you to learn construction and fundamentals in order to draw?

You know how in music the teacher sits at the piano and makes you repeat the tones he plays to test your pitch? You either have perfect pitch, relative pitch, or you're tone deaf and they tell you to fuck off.
Same thing here.

>>2808065
there0s no immediate success for anyone. if you want to have a skill you must embrace the suck of being bad at it for a good while

>>2808167
>>2808296
>tfw ignorance is bliss
S-should we tell them?

>>2808065
Get a ruler and a pencil and practice drawing cubes and rectangles in 1, 2 and 3-point perspective until you can do it well. Then go back and try the basic Loomis exercises again.

>>2808065
You are failing because you've set high expectations for yourself that you can't possibly reach without fundamentals.

Yhe picasso exercise is not there to teach you draw with absolute precision, that comes with a lot of measuring. It's there to force you to unlearn symbol drawing by copying what is nothing but abstract shapes.

Your drawing can look lopsided but it's easy to tell when inaccuracies are the result of symbol drawing and when they're just poor measuring.

Loomis requires you to draw using basic 3D shapes in perspective which requires a knowledge of what? PERSPECTIVE!

Even if you aren't a human photocopier, you can still unlearn symbol drawing. Once you've done that via "Key to Drawing" or "Betty Edward's book" you can move on.

The point of learning these fundamentals, isn't to master them from the get go, it's to get used to them by understanding them, then just practicing doing them till they become second nature to you.

Go back and learn perspective and learn to draw basic shapes in perspective then loomis or bridgeman, or hampton won't be so tough.

Your work doesn't have to be perfect, perfection comes with time and experience. You'll still be measuring stuff using your hand or pencil, and using construction lines even when you become a competent drawer.

Eventually a few year into your career, you won't need to anymore but that comes with practice and time.

So, to summarise, draw to unlearn symbol drawing, measure using your pencil or hands, study perspective till you understand it, apply your knowledge of perspective to loomis,git gud.

>>2808211
Take a look around you.
Chances are you're in a house.

Guess what someone designed your house. Someone designed your computer. Someone designed your clothes. You know that tablet? I'm sure there was a small team who designed the look of that.

ANYTHING that you see, touch, use has literally been someone elses design.

You know those cubicles that you're going to be stuck in for 40 years? Someone designed that too. Your favorite movie? A bunch of creative teams built that.

To say that art isn't important is to be completely ignorant to the world you exist within. Anything you interact with: the chair you sit in, the desktop UI, any game you can think of, product packages, clothes, shoes, cars, houses, weapons, utility items, utensils, your bed...Everything has been created by an artist.
Art is literally everywhere, and yet you choose to leave this world where your ideas are not only valued, but consumed by the public. Artists create trends, styles, and brands. While just developing pretty illustrations is totally fine, an artist can literally be the creator of anything. UX designers literally create experiences. It may not seem like art, but you are still creating the way someone interacts with something else.

I'm sorry you have to go, and you won't be missed. Sure artists arent going to cure cancer, nor are we going to mix chemicals together. But artists create experiences, and that alone is much more powerful in the long term.

Art is worth it, but it isn't for everyone. Peace man, go into business management or head towards med school. Art can be compared to these other professions because of the amount of training and influence it has on the world. Anything else and you'll be REALLY wasting your life.

>>2809074
just stop.

Cancelled my schoolism membership, sold my tablet, and threw away all of my sketchbooks.

Such a waste of time. And for what? It's completely unnecessary and serves no purpose.
Art is not needed, especially in today's society where the intellect, personality, and face reigns supreme.

To be honest, the "artistic lifestyle" seems almost like a childish endeavour at this point, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems like the most serious artists (asides from guys who are legit conceptartists/illustrators/porn artists but they represent a very low % of dedicated lifters) are also the people with nothing else going on in their lives.
I know this was true with me, I was biggest and most serious about drawing when I was still in uni, working only 15 hours a week, and pretty much just plucking around all the time, going out, with no real life.
To all you kids out there who are getting sucked into the comerical art , try to stop yourself.
So long as you have and maintain decent facial aesthetics, you'll be fine.
Art just not worth it.

cheers

>>2809080
As someone who works ~30 hours a week and puts in as many hours as I can gitting gudder, go fuck yourself. It sounds like your "biggest" and "most serious" time doing art was a fucking joke compared to the rest of us. I'm sorry your own grip on your dreams was so weak that you let it go. To all the people sucked into the "just make money lol" meme, tell all that to fuck off. Making art is the calling of everyone on /ic/, no matter what form that is. Dont ignore that calling, get out there, practice your fundies, git gud, and grab that dream and ride it to Valhalla

>>2808292
This.

LEARN. If you fucked up its a sign to study.

>>2809473
You are not listening, you stupid fuck.

I fucking cancelled my schoolism membership, sold my fucking tablet, and threw away all of my fucking sketchbooks. It's all gone.

Why?
Such a fucking waste of time. And for what? It's completely unnecessary and serves no fucking purpose.
Art is not needed, especially in today's society where the intellect, personality, and face reigns supreme.

To be honest, the "artistic lifestyle" seems almost like a childish fucking endeavour at this point, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems like the most serious artists (asides from guys who are legit conceptartists/illustrators/porn artists but they represent a very low % of dedicated lifters) are also the people with nothing else going on in their fucking lives.
I know this was true with me, I was biggest and most serious about drawing when I was still in uni, working only 15 hours a week, and pretty much just plucking around all the time, going out, with no real life.
To all you kids out there who are getting sucked into the comerical art , try to stop yourself.
So long as you have and maintain decent facial aesthetics, you'll be fine.
Art is just not fucking worth it.

Fucking cheers.

>>2809484

2017 off to a great start.

>>2809484
Goddamnit, just realized this is a copypasta. Fuck me.

>>2809520
:^)