/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2803122
The wife and I have had 2 Wacom 12WX tablets that still work fine, from 8 years ago or so. Plus one of those 21UX ones that also works just fine. Wife is using a 24HD that was bought when they were available and I'm using a 27QHD touch one, but the latest tablet would have to be a Surface Pro 4. Had a Surface 1 back when they were new but I didn't much like it for drawing. Works still, at least.

Three years and a half ago I bought a Huion 610 to replace my wacom bamboo.

Never had any pesky wrist problems since. Drawing on a excesively small surface really does a number on you. Plus, it still works like a charm.

Ordered a Ugee a while ago, read great things about it. I don't really see the need to go wacom at the minute, don't really want to pay 2 to 3 times the price when my chinese tablets offer me 80% of the experience already (but if everything goes well I may aim for the huge cintiq by the end of the year-- last christmas it was priced at 1500 euros in amazon)

Back in the web 1.0 days I bought a piece of shit chinktablet that barely worked, hated and returned it, and didn't pursue digital for a long time. More recently I got back into art and borrowed a friend's bamboo to try out digital. She doesn't use it often but does carry it around a lot and it's held up for like 5 years now. I bought a giano a month ago and still no surface wear unlike a lot of other tablets at this point.

Everyone I know trades up at some point before they wear out so the only ones I've seen crap out were ancient intuoses with cords that finally detached from the board or lost driver support and cintiqs that randomly shit the bed.

>>2803122
Voted. I have an Intous 5 Medium (basically the same as Intuos Pro) and have been using it for at least over 3 years. It's super responsive and accurate! Only thing that annoys me is the shitty buttons on the side, but don't use them much anyway.

Have also owned a Surface 3, but found it horrible to draw on, not accurate enough and annoying lag in the strokes. Also tried out Cintiq 22" and iPad Pro in stores, but had some of the same issues as the surface. How ever in the Cintiq's case, I think the PC it was hooked up too was a bit ass, in it's defense.

I love my Intuos tho and don't have big issues with hand-eye coordination, so I don't think I'll ever bother shelling out the cash for a monitor tablet. I did consider it for a while to possibly improve my line art speed, but then I bought Clip Studio Paint on sale for 15 bucks and the inking there feels so natural and steady that I rejected that idea.

I've had a Graphire 3, two different Intuos 3s, an Intuos Pro Medium, a Wacom Cintiq 12WX, an Intuos 5 Large and more recently a Huion Giano

While I don't have a high opinion of most of them, no tablet that I've ever used failed on me organically, it was either shot from the start (12WX had bad color and other hardware issues that were unfortunately intrinsic to the device) or worked as expected until the day I'd sold it, give or take any Wacom driver updates that would spontaneously ruin everything (don't update your drivers if you're not having problems).

A tablet is a slab with a little circuit board inside it. It has no moving parts and with the exception of the screen tablets generates essentially no heat. I presume most conventional tablets could easily endure a decade or more of regular use, while screen tablets likely have a reduced shelf life due to the heat they generate and the additional complexities of their design. It's all in how you use or abuse them.

One thing you do have to watch out for is planned obsolescence, though. Wacom tablets from the Intuos 4 and up started to become manufactured with this completely unnecessary "natural texture" surface which literally wears down nibs within a few drawing sessions. No one asked for their tablets to come covered in sandpaper, it was done specifically because Wacom wanted to coerce people into buying more of their $20 packs of spare nibs.

That is a very limited poll.

I started by using a Bamboo Pen in 2012, then around 2.5 years I got a Surface Pro 2, around the same time I started using a Note 4 too and like 2 months ago I got an iPad Pro.

I feel the iPad pro is the best for linework, it also has no issues with the borders but the palm rejection isn't as good as Wacom, that said I still have not done many rendered things on the iPad Pro

>>2803258
>No one asked for their tablets to come covered in sandpaper, it was done specifically because Wacom wanted to coerce people into buying more of their $20 packs of spare nibs.

There's a way around this, buy your basic black nibs on Aliexpress in bulk, it's stupidly cheap and they work great on the Intuos pens (I believe the Bamboo too).

The textured surface wears off after years of use, tho. Mine is almost completely gone, so I now tape a thin sheet of hobby-cardboard over the active area to get that nice papery feel, I also like the slightly softness it gives. Have to change it once in a while, but it's cheap.

>>2803324
I've heard of other workarounds as well, like taking a segment of whatever the hell the cord from a "weed whipper" is called and stuffing it up your stylus' corn hole instead of buying nibs which is a small fraction of the price. Personally before finding out about any of that stuff I went with a specially fitted "surface cover" purchased off of amazon. They're like $20, a huge rip off considering they're a piece of plastic with a couple glue strips attached to them but whatever, it does the job. I haven't replaced a nib since. I've also heard of using a piece of paper but after trying it myself and feeling how gritty it is I can't imagine it's actually helping anything, but it's not like I tried it for long enough to know for sure.

Thankfully the Giano has a surface more like the Intuos 3 out of the box so you don't have to play around with that sort of thing-I fully expect the nib that came with mine to last a very long time. If Huion made a better stylus Wacom would basically be dead to me, but I have to concede that Wacom is still the top brand and it's not completely without merit.

I just stick an A4 sheet of regular copier paper on my intuos 4 with some tape and I get the literal actual paper feel and it doesn't even rape the nibs. The paper does get bubbly from moisture in the air so I change it every couple of weeks.

When I was in college I started with a shitty Genius mousepen 8x6 that sucked ass. A little later I changed to an Intuos 4 large that I used as main tool for almost 5 years. Just recently I moved to the Ugee 1910b, which is fine, but the screen is not the best so I may change to some other pen display that supports real HD eventually.

I have an Intuos4 medium that I have used for work, maybe 100 days per year, for 6 years

>>2803406
It also sucks up moisture from your hand. Try some thicker smooth hobby cardboard instead, it's much more resistant and the extra thickness doesn't harm sensitivity at all.

>>2803484
>Genius mousepen 8x6

Bad flashback, arrrrgh... I've been there too, what a shitty tablet! I almost lost fate in my ability to do digital art until I bit the bullet and shelled out for an Intuos. Smartest decision ever!

>>2803484
>>2803570
Same here, got the Genius tablet as a gift for my birthday, was struggling with it but loved the fact that I could also draw digitally, it died (both the pen and the surface itself) in less than a year, then, exactly like you guys, I got myself an Intuos4.

>>2803122
Cintiq 13 HD, been using it for almost 4 years now. I've long since taken off the plastic screen protector which got scratched up to the point it bothered me after 2 years. Now the screen is just glass and has a few tiny but occasionally noticeable scratches that are permanent. In general I treat my tablet pretty well so milage may vary.

Pro tip: Keep the tablet at chest height when sitting so it doesn't strain your neck. I was put off doing freelance for a month and a half because of horrible posture.

>>2803570
>>2803661
A-are you serious? That's the one I use. Is it really that bad? I thought it was my fault. Should I buy a new one? I'm questioning everything I know right now

Intuos 3, had it for nearly ten years now. Use it near daily. I hope it never dies on me.

>>2803871
It's your first tablet, right?

You won't notice any difference till you use a good one. When I had my Genius I thought it was the best thing and drew till it broke, it was only when I got another that I realized how bad this thing was

I don't know what to tell you, if you lack money (which might be the reason you got it instead of a cheap Wacom) just keep it for now, practice drawing on it and save for something better.

>>2803875
Same, intuos3 is the fucking best. I wish wacom didnt puss out on win10 support.

Intuos4 - 6 years, spilled coke on it 3 times, pen broken by accidentaly stepping on it,but ducktaped and stil working
Cintiq27 - 1 year,I won it in some competition, it's okay, glass screen is step up from shitty ass plastics used on former versions, but would never pay for it from my own pocket. But then again I paint more than draw so, it's a nice big monitor for the most of the time

>>2803871
Yeah, it fucking sucks ass. I went back to the Genius for one day when I needed to do something fast and I wasn't around my Intuos, felt like drawing with a dead hand dude, couldn't get anything done with that piece of garbage.

If you consider a Surface Pro 3 a tablet, then 2 years

HUION WH1409 vs. wacom intuos ?
Which would you recommend?

I had a bamboo pen & touch for four years without any problem and now I have a Cintiq 13 HD, been with it almost a year now, and for now I'm happy with it

>>2803122
I had an Intuos 1 or 2 and the only reason I stopped using it is because it needs an USART or Parallel Port connector and it was bulky.

You will probably stop using your tablet because there are no drivers for it after a decade or two.

Yeah, they don't break.

>>2803258
>One thing you do have to watch out for is planned obsolescence, though. Wacom tablets from the Intuos 4 and up started to become manufactured with this completely unnecessary "natural texture" surface which literally wears down nibs within a few drawing sessions. No one asked for their tablets to come covered in sandpaper, it was done specifically because Wacom wanted to coerce people into buying more of their $20 packs of spare nibs.

I think the real problem is that wacoms are bought by a lot of hobby artists who don't have a clue and think they need to draw like on paper. 99% is DA tier. Or maybe that is what wacom thinks.

How is the progress with the cheaper non-Wacom monitors with pen support? Still spotty? Better now?

Pic related. Results from a Huion 21.5" at average line speed. I bought this 8 months ago.

I have saved enough money to buy a cheap tablet so tell me guys

which one should I get?

I currently have Wacom Bamboo but it's way too small to use
What would be fairly cheap medium sized tablet? I've been thinking a lot of Huion Pro but afraid that it might be just a plastic toy that doesnt last long enough
Recommend me anything below 150€

>>2804513
Huions are pretty good. Me and a friend bought a couple a few years ago, still in perfect working condition.

They're more similar to the old wacom intuos 3 line, with a smoother texture (not that sandpaper-ish, buy-new-nibs texture of the newer stuff)

So any Huion would do the trick. You could have luck with other brands but I haven't tried them so can't really help there.

>>2804595
>me and my friend
Fucking Americans

>>2804513
I bought https://www.huiontablet.com/h610.html when they were brand new like 2 years ago and it still works just fine, although the bit where the cable plugs in can be a little sensitive. You get 4 nibs and I ended up buying a new pen that had 4 more once those ran out because it was on special and cheap.

>>2803871
Trust me, I know it may be hard to believe since you haven't tried anything else, but that tablet is holding you back! It's simply not responsive and accurate enough. Start saving for something better. If you can get the money for it, go with Intuos Pro Medium. If you're on a tighter budget, a Huion will still be a good choice.

>>2804513
get a wacom 3 i heard some artist stock them under their bed in the ultra rare case one of their fail
that good these are

I bought a ball mouse in 1993. Still works.

>>2803934
>>2804057
>>2804723
Well, shit. I believe you. I'll try to save some money and get another one. Thank you for the advice anons

Bumpan

>>2803122

I bought a intuos 1 in the late 90's, used it for 15 years or so

I have a Wacom Bamboo that's roughly eight years old the I pull out when my Surface Pro charger croaks. I upgraded to a used Surface Pro three years ago, and it was about six months old when I purchased it. Still going strong minus going through a handful of chargers. About to upgrade my home station with the Ugee HK1560 in a few months.

>>2803357

The texture of the paper can be kind of annoying, but I never had to replace a nib while I was using my intuos

I saw a barely used large intuos pro with extra nibs and shit ask for $250 and go for $225.
How bad did I fuck up by not going for it that very second?
I kept thinking it's still $100 more than a giano but I could have probably resold for a profit considering.
Maybe one day I will see as good deal again? probably not though...

Still have my Intuos 2 A4 from... 8 years ago, I think? I can't remember, but it's old. Then again it's pretty solid. Only problem in recent memory has been some issue with drivers in more recent versions of Windows,but otherwise it's fine for my low skill level.

Still, gonna get myself a local brand now that I'm in China and see what happens.

Had a Wacom Bamboo for about 3 years before it broke for no apparent reason. After that I bought a Yiynova MSP19U+ which I've had for 4 years now. Had to do a fair amount of tweaking before making it work with all programs but when it's up and running it works like a charm. Also I find it amazing the pen still works perfectly the way I've been treating it.