/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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Reposting for new thread. I've been told that her neck is too long, and that she has tumblr nose (? I mean, the nose isn't THAT red, but feel free to explain why). Feel free to completely destroy me if you need to.

Anyone have the PDF for Keys to Drawing?

Workbook says this should take about 45 minutes to an hour to copy, and it's taken me more than twice that long already and it's not even finished.

Am I doing something wrong if it's taking me so much longer than it should? I'm trying to improve my sighting, so I'm measuring and correcting stuff a lot, which I'm sure is slowing me down. Not sure if time is something I should even be concerned about; the workbook suggesting a time frame just makes me wonder.

>>2795628
here mang
http://www.mediafire.com/file/gbj581o0wsnwiw1/%28Bert+Dodson%29+Keys+to+Drawing.pdf

god bless /ic/ always helping me grow as a /beg/ artist, I love you guys.

>>2795615
it's not the redness of the nose, it's the shape (angular-ish), personally I think the nose is fine, but the neck is definitely too long though. Think about how the neck connects to the shoulders, if you draw the upper portion of her torso you'll see what I mean

Also I'm the guy who wants to draw cute girls from the other thread, I'm advancing through Loomis at a steady pace, will post more of my drawings every day.

Just wanted to thank you if you don't see my reply on the other thread, I really appreciate your help.

>>2795635
I like the background

>>2795632
Which workbook is this anon?

Your contour seems to be spot on with a few small issues - you'll see them when you start to do the shading, they'll jump out at you.

Pro-tip: Move your eyes back and forth when you shade and compare what you have and what the workbook has. By moving your eyes quickly back and forth see if you have an "animation" effect, if so, something is off and you need to fix it.

I wouldn't worry about the time, focus on the accuracy. You'll get the speed with time. The measuring is often laborious at first.

Excellent fucking work.

alright it's super late.
I've never done "sexualized" art before, but I have nothing else to do and I haven't drawn women in months.
SO, is there anything god awful that needs immediate fixing? something about the left foot looks screwy, but I don't know

ALSO, I totally copied this post from another thread

Just started today. What do I need most?

Not finished, but halfway through a drawing of a Roman bust.

>>2795668
You have nothing so you need to start from the beginning. Form and perspective. Learn to draw inside the paper rather than on it.

Do still lifes

I want to become a good artist someday

>>2795653
Cool thanks, I'll just take my time then. Quick glancing like that I definitely haven't been doing, I'll give it a shot.

It's just the workbook that goes along with drawing on the right side of the brain.

>>2795668

If you want to develop your drawing skills further (which I assume is what you're here for) then have a look at the sticky and go through those books. They'll help you develop both observation and imagination drawing skills.

Also to add to what >>2795684 said, in addition to drawing from life (objects around you) enroll in a class that does nude model drawing.

>>2795615
get the fuck out of the beg thread.

>>2795690

I find it strange that Drawing Right Side of The Brain would give time limits that low, considering it's a book aimed at beginner drafting.

One way to speed up, and to train your eye further, is to look at a particular straight line, visualize the angle of it in your head, and try to put it down without measuring, and then measure and fix it.

It seems counter-intuitive but this is how you train yourself, and eventually you can do a lot of this by eye with relative few errors.

As always, if you're not attending life model drawing classes and you can, then do so, etc etc.

>>2795700
People who claim to have fundamental issues painting ears and noses should get out of the beg thread?

See ya losers!

>>2795691
Thank you. Been going through Loomis-Fun with pencils for a few hours

>>2795700
Just because they're much better than you doesn't mean they're not a beginner

>>2795700
I'm a beginner though?? I'm not sure what you mean.

>>2795642
Thanks for the critique, anon, I really appreciate it.

going forward, let me know if i am getting too obnoxious with these

finished this. fuck folliage sucks

>>2795615
ABANDON ALL STYLE YE WHO ENTER HERE

>>2795792
Hey, at least you're better than me

>>2795769
ayy

>>2795776
I like the soft quality. But be careful of over-rendering. The left (our right) eye area has some highlighting that does not make sense for the form. It gives off this mexican-american airbrushed car woman look that you might not want.

>>2795615
in the sketch, her face is in front of her hair on the left, in your paint her hair overlaps her face (because the wind is blowing it that way?)
either way, it makes her head look really round and featureless, I'd recommend putting the hair back like it is in the sketch.
Also, in the sketch her lips went out farther and in your paint they look squished and swollen, they aren't going in a direction, they're just connected to each other (if that makes any sense) its mainly the sides of her lips in the sketch that makes her look like she's expressing something, and that just isn't there in the paint.
but overall, nice job anon

>>2795821
it isn't wind, I just got kinda carried away, haha. Thanks for the critique; totally appreciate the time taken out of your day to do so

okay ill stop fucking around and ill grind some loomis heads now. i tried to improve my colors so here's this

>>2795861
the colors aren't the issue, put the picture down, leave it be, try again.
you'll get better results if you keep drawing lots of heads with subtle improvements instead of stressing over this one head

>>2795861
Is grinding really that helpful in your case? Have you made some improvements or are you just drawing the same mistakes over and over again? Curios.

>>2795866
i already committed to finishing this one so this as is is done. and i wanted to improve my colors. im not really 'stressing' part of my problem was symbol drawing and i think improved on that

>>2795869
>Have you made some improvements
according to every single portrait ive done color has been a prolbem. going off what >>2795866
says
>the colors aren't the issue
in which case i have improved on the colors. as for symbol drawing, you can tell im putting a lot more effort into capturing details in the features and i was having trouble with making forms look like they wrap around the head. as for construction, i have a lot more grinding to do. i cant really draw outside of the no tilt 3/4 view

>>2795879
you misunderstand me, these colors you are using are bad, but you should not be focused on the colors. don't keep painting female heads, start sketching them, so that you can make quicker progress and not have to worry about other things like color theory, tackle one issue at a time

>>2795879
I'm a beginner too but I tried to redline it. I think the issue is that you're not properly constructing things or thinking about perspective. The eyes for example didn't line up properly I think. Another thing is you're not wrapping things around the form, for example, the lips you painted are fairly flat and straight even though they should be rounder and fuller. They are also sloped downward and don't follow the rules of perspective just like the eyes (I think mines are a bit off too). The fulcrum under the nose is painted as a completely straight line when it should have a bit more of a curve and rhythm to it. The eyebrows are also a bit flat and don't properly wrap around the forehead, remember there is a bone there that juts out at the brow line. For the nose, I think you structured it well but you flattened the nostrils too much and didn't align one of them properly so it looks like it's sloping down kinda like the lips.

Again, I'm a beginner too so my advice may be off. Sorry if that's the case.

>>2795879
My advice would be to not worry about color at all. Go back to drawing for a while to get the basics down. Just a pencil or charcoal for dark values and white chalk for highlights. I'd recommend finding books of drawings by Renaissance or other artists of that type as well as studying and learning anatomy. Having the dual benefit of knowing anatomy and how to render it is going to be a real game changer.

>>2795904
thats what i plan to do
>>2795912
>>2795913
great advice for the old drawing i wasnt even asking about. is there any thing obvious glaring issues (besides color) with this one >>2795861
? i think her left eye might be off but i can't tell

kinda 5 hours in...
5 fucing hours for this shit

oh my god how does it get faster sum1 tell me

I understand I can't blend/render for shit and the only thing I created from imagination was the arms/hands

Anything else I should work on? Did I get the lighting/proportion of limbs correct?

>>2795943
I'm too tired right now to actually critique what you've made, but this concept is hilarious, keep going

>>2795950
this, I love it already

>>2795930
I think you should layer your image from big shapes to details.
You just went into the face and tried to recreate it.
Try plotting out the mayor values at the start and then rendering it through.

>>2795943
>>2795950
correction, I have one bit of advice, write memes on the canister

wanted to see how much i could get done in as short amount of time as possible. probably took 3 hours at most

>>2795664
Just read some Loomis. You can go to the /draw/ thread at this level

>>2795993
you, you are what I do not want

>>2795608
what a coincidence
i drew this sketch doing anatomy practice a week ago

>>2795997
I saw that and I thought i'd be a humorous little snipe if I told them they'd be able to go back there by my judgement, so that the pseudoscience of the situation assumes that of a game of ping-pong where the Artist is flung between both threads

>>2796000
that's still not what pseudoscience means

:(

>>2796002
:(

>>2796008
:)

MEAT

>>2796008
>>2796011
I still don't get it anon, it's too late for me to analyze memes right now

>>2796021
I've just gone insane; there was no intention for a meme to be created

>>2796022
So that must mean you're doing what is known as "forcing the meme" when you should in actuality, be drawing, ergo overcoming the first hurdle: creating accurate copies, awaits you!

>>2796031
But I thought I could do that; in >>2796008 et al. I've created accurate line drawings no?

>>2795912
how the fuck did your manage to draw the my eye? its so much better than your skill level

>>2796055
do you not understand what that post is about

>>2796034
No you haven't. You got every single angstrom of the drawing incorrect and you should consider giving up

>>2796065
That's wrong tho

>>2796083
He got nothing right! Stop defending the rookie!

>>2795861
you've been saying that for as long as i've been on /beg/

how many hours a week do you practise?

>>2796116
nah i only said that for the last head and this one. the only reason i did this one was to show my process at stages and decided to finish this one. i paint maybe 1-3 hours a day a take at least 1 day off. i dont really study figure/portrait a lot.

>>2795992
>>2795792
>>2794507

are all mine for context

>>2796116
>>2796117
oh and every once and a while i play around with goauche

>>2795600

>>2789625

A few more arrows. I think I'll move on now.

http://drawabox.com/lesson/1
Really struggling to understand figure 3.16, can someone at least try to explain it to me in a different way?

>>2796159
Vanishing points of a cube viewed from different angles.

Just done structuring,
will apply details with pen
what yall think?
>>2789625

>>2795601
Can you tell me where I fucked up? I know it looks like a different person but I can't tell what was wrong.

Also, this is so damn hard. I got bored adding details mid way and then started painting without the reference. Somehow rendering the earring was impossible for me.

>>2796162
*3.15 sorry.

>>2796164
You made the face too wide and all the proportions stretched.

Layering your linework over the ref to check isn't a sin.

so do i just post and keep posting until someone tells me to go to /draw/?

>>2796169
It has to be multiple people, it can't just be 1 tripfag saying you're good

>>2796170
3 times on 3 separate images to be sure?

>>2796165
When it says " As a box rotates, its vanishing points will slide in this manner along the horizon axis." Does it mean that, as the box rotates, so will the vanishing points? moving away from the original center point as they rotate?

Feedback wanted,
I hate drawing faces, so I draw helmets instead. How do I break this habit

>>2796209
thinner lines
anatomy
gesture (especially)
loomis heads

>>2796212
I do gestures everyday for at least an hour, which are usually just scribbly figures.

Are they suppose to help you draw more dynamic poses or is there something I'm missing?

>>2796217
they are

post your gestures. its an abstract concept so it can be difficult to understand. its likely you are doing it wrong.

>>2796218

>>2796218
>>2796221
yeah, I also think I am. I always forget to do C & S curves

>>2796222
i was about to say that. look up some videos on gesture.
check my 4

Should i start with fun with a pencil or head and hands?
And are women easier to draw women than men?

>>2796221
Your shoulders look a tad too wide and masculine to my eyes

>>2796224
fun with pencil.
men are easier because they can still be aesthetic even when ugly and asymmetrical. also girls have to be drawn delicately.

>>2796227
Thank you.

>>2796225
thanks, I also think I'm not drawing hips wide enough

>>2796163
is it alright?
some1 pls

>>2795600
Is the best way to start of a figure to put it into boxes?

>>2795792

here is a over paint. What I was thinking when I first saw this picture is that everything was too close together. So I made the trees farther away. I also changed of the values and added some color. I hope this helped.

>>2795606

>>2796336
pretty good anon
try overlaying it with the reference to see the positioning.

>>2794809
>>2794837

>Reposting
Don't get so frustrated, anon, it's just a few drawings. Making a shit drawing sucks, but it's not a total waste if you learn from it. The best advice you could take is to give draw real people, and draw a bunch of different body types to get a feel for how they work and how they look. Older people tend to be drawn taller, and have longer, sharper and more pronounced features. Older women usually have more pronounced curves, so it's not enough to just draw them thicker, you need to add curves in the right places to get the idea across.
I think the main thing you should be focusing on is how flat she looks. It doesn't look like your thinking about the forms that make her up. Keep your diagonals consistant and try to emphasize form over contours to get a fuller look. It will also help you visualize your shading once you get to it, so it's good to keep in mind while you draw. The redlines is half assed, but I hope it helps

How do you motivate yourself to draw? It's by far my biggest weakness, so many times I'll try and start to draw and then get bored within 5 minutes and it puts me off drawing for a while.

>>2796385
I too have this issue

>>2796385
Start drawing what you like and want, then do some studies. Don't force it, because you will hate drawing.

>>2796389
I dont know what I want to draw, the only thing I like would be anime

But I've been told to draw cartoons you need to learn the basics and learn real life, which I just can't enjoy.

I've got no reason to draw other than I've got a minuscule amount of natural talent and don't have any other hobby.

>>2796390
It's right, you need to know basics to draw nice anime grills, but maybe you can try apply what you learned to draw it. Slowly. Make one finish drawing, see what you need learn to do it better. You can practice by drawing different parts of body separately, do quick gestures to learn how to make dynamic characters poses. Again apply it to animu grill. Drawing should be fun first of all. Don't forget why you do it.

>>2796393
I'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but is there some exercises I can do before drawing a full picture? I had a look through the sticky but didnt find anything, I might have missed something though.

>>2796395
Find out about perspective basics, you can do quick, nice gestures too. Make thumbnails before making full pic to find best idea and composition. Good luck, anon.

*looks at a botanical object and various household paraphernalia and posthumously vomits onto a piece of paper*

>>2796408
You're too ill; go read Keys to Being Healthy

30 minutes down 30 to go

how do you make things have depth when doing lineart?

>>2796434
By giving the brain just enough information to assume something has depth.

>>2795602
How on Earth did I mess up this badly

>>2796465
Ah: Keys to Drawing arrived today. I should be fine once I practice a hell of a lot more

>>2796465
I dont think its that bad, i think you do have already an understanding of how to draw..
Biggest problem is just measuring..so when i would be you i would look into that too.

Suddenly: the author of the picture >>2796465's hands were grouped together and tapered in a caliginous manner!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx90P7sQSTE&index=33&list=PLhm9T1kzIsfrx-gMovepzma4GWNOpyRlR

>>2796465
Measurement, and value rather than lines. Make sure everything is in proper orientation with things beside it. What I do is take pictures with my phone periodically because that helps me see errors (like a weird placement of a lip, or an eye is too small, etc) better than just eyeballing it for some reason. You have the basic idea down fine, now it's just making sure you keep up with the practicing and learning!

>>2796164
holy shit lmao i did the same study, thought it was mine somehow even though yours is better

I've been eyeballing shit for a month now... I never use any measurement method other than my eye.. Should I keep doing this?

>>2796461
Damn, who drew this? Have any of their other sketches saved?

>>2796498
might be kim jung gi. he has a few artbooks scattered around to download.

>feel like im in the zone one day
>later on look back at my work and realise it was pretty much just as shit as the rest of it.
>i do this often
is this symptomatic of a flaw in my mindset? do other people do this?

>>2796504
yes

I've been trying to work with more pens, mixed results.

>>2795600
Measurements are fucked, yo.

>>2796516
I think it's pretty good

>>2796513
which one you answering?

>>2796520
Thank you. The skull is pretty misshapen though, at least when compared to the reference.

ive been reading drawing on the right side of the brain but i relized that there was alot of unart realted passeges so i usally skip to the practice is that ok or are some of the works importent

>>2795678
I think I'm done with this one for now. What are things I need to work on with the next one?

>>2796629
as long as you understand the practice and do it I'll think you'll be okay.

>>2796629
Totally skip the pseudoscience stuff. The drawing stuff is great though. All the brain stuff can be summed up with:
>draw what you see
>do different exercises to look at things in an abstracted way and train yourself to look at everything you draw that way.

Just saved you a couple chapters.

>>2796643
>>2796637
thanks

anyone going to answer this? >>2796504

>>716990272
Maybe the neck maybe the back of the head but your shading is very good

>>2796666
uh, who are you quoting?

>>2796649
yes

>>2796670
oooh yer a cheeky fuckin bastard ye are

>>>716990272
>Maybe the neck maybe the back of the head but your shading is very good
>>2796668
That dude

So, What exactly is studying? say I want draw heads correctly (proportions relationships between features and stuff) would I just draw heads until I nail it? I know I need to analyze and stuff but what would I be doing so I specifically?

I want to use this as ref but I messed around with the levels to show darker darks and whiter whites (to make it pop). Is it cheating?

>>2796722
yes, clearly cheating, dont use it you are never allowed to draw again. disqualified.

>>2796728
i am finally free from this curse. thank you

>>2796735
I would totally read a comic book with this art.

>>2796740

too bad it takes me an hour to just do one face orz. It's a dream to get into comics one day though, so much thanks anon

Help me with Perspective and shading

>>2796761
Do http://drawabox.com/ part one: lesson 1. It'll teach you perspective.

As for shading I'm not an expert. But I start really light and build it up slowly. Constantly looking at the subject analyzing the lightest and darkest part.

This is my fist drawing after I researched proportion and anatomy. Haven't gotten into shading and whatnot yet. Critique me. Or roast. Or critique then roast me.

How fucked is my anatomy?

>>2796788
lmao you didn't "research" shit. If your understanding of form isn't on par with the rest, it'll always come out flat like it does now. It's boring, everything is symbol drawn, stiff as a board, and it doesn't even look like there's any effort put into it. I'm just looking at a doodle on my screen.

This is what happens when you try to draw things without the proper visual library - not just for anatomy. It could be for dragons, castles, spaceships, or whatever. Keep studying (hard), truly try to understand and absorb what you're learning and apply it to works from imagination. Above all, you need to be patient. At this point, there should be more study compared to original works (unless you want to stay deviantart-tier).

What I propose is you read the sticky and go through Keys to Drawing which will assist you in maintaining the proper measurements when it comes to studies - which means that your knowledge of the human body will increase when you try to do original works. After you're done with that book you'll realize how much better your eye will be trained to notice small things that can potentially make or break a drawing (from reference or otherwise). This is going to take some time so I hope you internalize that.

is using grids a meme? I'm conflicted

>>2796806
Thanks.

>>2795686 here. I tried drawing again, but I don't think I'm quite getting it. Sorry for the crappy drawing.

>>2796788
>>2796836
lmao why do so many lie about researching shit? You're only hurting yourself by lying. Do you think some anon will read your post and say "Hmmm...he already did his research, gotta tell them about that super secret shortcut to getting good!" You didn't research shit and if you did it was probably for 12 minutes and continued shitposting on /ic/

>>2796761
Anon, downscale your fucking image. I'ts a 3.14MB sketch ffs.
Regardless, forget about perspective and shading for now, and try to focus on drawing what you see, not what you think you see. Read "Keys to Drawing" if you don't know what I'm talking about.
After that, focus on developing your understanding of shape and form, shading and perspective are both subject to these

>>2795776
I am not sure if lips are okay, the ear is obviously not finished but I am almost finished with everything except the hair (that will take a fuckton of time i think)

>>2796855
once you stop symbol drawing it gets easier

>>2796865
I tried reading a couple books but the exercises are too hard or content is too wordy and I get bored. I'd rather just keep trying to have fun for now rather than make it into a chore. Can symbol drawing be overcome with simple practice?

here's a round of loomis heads as promised. took about 2 min each. i know some of them aren't constructed right but i feel like i have a grasp on construction. ill probably do a couple more of these tonight

>>2796870
yeah, you just have to practice drawing what you see, not what you think you see.
Looks at the dark parts and value shifts in an image and try to capture them with your pencil

>>2796870
>content is too wordy and i get bored

i guess some people just aren't cut out to make it

i don't understand how you see the process of learning and getting better as a "chore." how would you be so content with bad art

>>2796859
So if Loomis doesn't work then what do you recommend? I never said I was good. That was my first try. I actually never even tried before, so I'm looking for criticism.

>>2796882
I never thought I could make it. Focusing and being serious about stuff is too hard. My goal is to just have fun drawing, which is surprisingly difficult for me.

>>2796892
If your goal is even just to "have fun drawing" and you still find it difficult then why even do it?

>>2796859

It's nice how you completely ignored critiquing his art to smugly critique the connotations of the fucking words he posted next to it.

>>2796896
Because maybe I might accidentally draw something decent that doesn't make me hate myself.

>>2796900
The more you study and practice, the more you accidentally draw something decent.

>>2796903
He just doesn't want to put in the hard work. That's all it is. Let it be.

>>2796896
>>2796900
>The struggle is real

The worst part about it is that nobody else understands or gives a fuck but you.

>>2795609
ugh

>>2796897
I do not need to critique his art, someone already did.

>>2795606

>>2796940
im super new to digital art, just got a surface for christmas so id love some advice related to that

What is your 2016 progress looking like, /beg/?

What is your 2016 progress looking like, /beg/?

>>2796951
its in the progress,thread like it should be

What is the size of your (digital) canvas?

I'm not really sure what settings I should use, if I should make it really, really big, or stick to a smaller one.

I just set up a 1920 x 1080 canvas @ 400ppi.
Should I be going for a higher ppi and a bigger canvas to allow for more detail? When I zoom in my strokes seem fairly pixellated.

>>2796951
I haven't been practicing lol

>>2795609

>>2796863
Flip your canvas, The right eye looks weird look at reference. Also add some darker values to show where the light is coming from.

>>2796964
nothing against you, but I lol'd so hard at first when I saw that guy.

>thought he had reptilian eyes

just finished this one, what you think?

>>2796989
it\s a little deany

>>2796951

I don't have an excuse, though the fall semester sucked. 10 construction studies a day, a page of linework practice, and more bookwork for perspective and construction from now 'til the end of 2017; not waiting for new years'.

>>2796989
you didnt bother rotating the canvas to see how it looks up and down since its basically straight on the front? literally everything is skewed diagonally

>>2796989
Practice your values without color. Your brain is mixing up value and intensity

Besides, orange skin just makes it look bad

>>2796995
>>2796989
okay so that was a little harsh. theres a few things that dont line up and a few mistakes. maybe this will help you see them

>>2796986
It looks like Trudeau (a reptilian)

why does it look so shitty

>>2797007
How long did this take you?

>>2797020
about 10-15 minutes i think but im clueless from this point on pretty much. i often get lost in the later stages of a pic and end up destroying it altogether

>>2797028
Thats why.
Spend more time on each piece so that you dont make simple mistakes like making them cross-eyed or making the face asymmetrical.

As for finishing a drawing, it takes time to learn individual skills like drawing hair, eyes, clothes and rendering values, so spend some time on these small things too.
Also, try to draw large.

>>2797033
ok ill do that thx

I'm going through Betty Edward's book and I ran into some trouble yesterday.
I'd like some tips on how to draw the "basic unit/starting point" of a drawing without using a viewfinder. I was trying to draw this and ran into some serious consistency in size issues.

>>2796980
thanks, that was helpful

>>2796876
heres another batch. so whats my deal? is the construction the part im struggling with? is it the sketching? a lot of the heads are at angles/tilts i never really use too

>>2797071
there's no sense of 3d thinking in any of this - you need to be able to turn the form in your head in any angle and understand how it works, also try drawing it in something other the same three angles you're doing right now

i'd also tell you to go to pencil and paper but it'd fall on deaf ears im sure

>>2797076
fuck off. i literally did everything you suggested...before you suggested it.

anyone with real advice?

>>2797080
ngmi lol

So how do you anons do studies using a tablet? Do you keep the picture to the side of the screen while you measure or something?

I wanted to do head studies on star trek guys (I havn't watched the show before, I just wanted to). I also wanted to make them relatively small and quickly. Feedback would be appreciated

>>2797092
the angle on this one really bugs me, I can't quite figure it out though, it has something to do with the right edge of the head

>>2797093
>>2797092
this was of another character, I liked the expression

>>2797092
Always remember to measure the thirds - the face is divided into three equal parts, from the chin to the root of the nose, to the superciliary arch, to the hairline. Usually its the first thing you check when measuring

>>2797100
>mfw I've never heard of this almost vital information until now

>>2797095
>SHYGGY Data
nice work anon, now draw the bat.

>>2797105
It's literally one of the first things Loomis tells you about in the head book. Get on it my man.

>>2797106
what bat? I don't watch the show

>>2797110
>you think I can afford books
in all seriousness thanks though!

>>2797112
there are resources on this board

one of the most common advice thrown around in a serious atmosphere is to use the resources and leave /ic/ to practice

if you want to stay on /ic/ you might as well use the resources

>>2797118
I can't follow what you posted, I read it, and it doesn't make sense to me. What resources are you referring to? why leave /ic/ to practice if you use /ic/ to practice?

but most importantly, whats lanchoke?

>>2797119
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

>>2797120
oh frick

>>2797091
pls answer

>>2797125
I have a drawing tablet that doesn't have a screen so I don't know if my method will help, but what I do is draw construction lines over the same picture a few times, then try to replicate it without the picture, then using the same proportions, do slightly different poses

>>2797112
I'm a miserfag and I havenn't bought one single art book ever, I have hundreds of free PDFs and shit tho. Start reading m8

>>2797129
kek, thanks, it was a joke. I like physical books more though, but it's hard to find the ones everyone references at the stores

>>2797110
so I looked up what you said (thanks by the way) but it still looks like the drawing follow the rule, is there a specific point on the brow-line that I'm supposed to be using? or is it just the bangs that confuse where the hairline should be?

>>2797004
Eric?

>>2797135
why do you say this

>>2797139
shut the fuck up already

>>2797135
holy fuck i knew it

i guess it means he actually improved for once if i didnt realize it at first

eric MY GUY

>>2797142
you can't use that meme just yet, I saw it in another thread like, not even a day ago. too soon

>>2797145
that person was prob me

>>2797071
>>2796876
okay well what about these

Ok for new fags ITT.
Keys to Drawing if you've been drawing for a while, but still symbol draw


Right side of the brain:if you never touched a pencil. It has some stupid science in it but both books fucking WORK.

>>2797141
eat some balls you stupid nigger

>>2797164
im calling the police right fucking now

>>2797165
good luck you cant do shit without my ip address. here its 69.666.6969.(touchtone for if.ucked.urmom)

The only way to see what level I'm at is to draw something, right?

>>2797195
P.S What's my name?

>>2797195
if this is a genuine question then i hope you don't have a driver's license or anything that can potentially cause harm

>>2797205
I have a Swiss Army Knife and numerous sharp edges

>>2795605
I tried thinking in lines, but now the lines have themselves turned into dramatic angles ergo now the lines I draw are symbols. Also there is feature creep; end me

>>2797244
YOU DIDN'T EVEN DRAW THE WHOLE THING!

>>2797248
I KNOW!

>>2797251
WHAT IS THIS? IS IT THIS?

Stop drawing from imagination and focus on studying from life

I'm trying not to symbol draw but I can't help it. why is drawing so difficult?

>>2797251
Don't listen to >>2797256 ,it is important to draw from imagination while studying anatomy and drawing from life to reinforce what you have learned.

Is learning to draw from life, non-digitally, the way to go to git gud at drawing? Should all my efforts go into that?

>>2797276

You won't learn how to draw from imagination by purely drawing from life, although life drawing is a good foundation for everything

>>2795605
;,,,,,,(

I drew it a second time and inked it...?

>>2796989
It looks like you just used the 'Color' layer mode on top of the painting without having good values, so it looks muddy. Practice your values also flip your canvas to see your drawing errors and look at reference.

>>2796889
by actually researching

>>2797273
because you're doing a whole drawing without knowing anything about individual parts of the head and then expecting something. anytime you draw a body/face, cut it into multiple parts and practice drawing each part and then putting them together. so cut the face into 3 parts or at least start from drawing proper constructions so you have proportions down before doing any detail

What are your thoughts on drawabox.com?
I have some talent, but lack skill.
I'm mostly interested in drawing people.
Should I start drawing boxes in order to learn or just pursue what I want right now?

>>2797330
Just draw what you find fun. If you want to draw people then just jump straight into it. Check out some Vilppu or Hampton if you're interested in the figure.

so i'm currently working on drawabox
i was wondering if theres any other good resources about perspective.
i really really struggle with it

How should I go about drawing things like pic related without getting things to messy?

>>2797343
Draw the contour of all of the shapes first, and then, following that: add enrichment shapes to the project, starting with the darkest shapes to keep the drawing luminescent

Sorry if this isn't the right thread but I'm going fucking insane. For a year now I've tried Photoshop, Artrage, Krita, and SAI and I cannot finish a painting. I know nothing about setting up the software, or what brushes to use, I've learned absolutely nothing even though I watched seasons upon seasons of Bob Ross. I just want to paint landscapes and backgrounds and nothing I do can even remotely come out decent enough to finish. How do I get this digital art so I can finally work and stop going crazy I'm so fucking desperate right now.

how did i fuck up so bad? second time doing a study and i can never get proportions right

How are these? Copying some loomis faces

>>2795602
critique plz
I know I messed up the nose and ears but other than that what else did I do wrong

>>2795605
oh wow i haven't used my tablet in ages. looks hella ugly but was fun to try. w/e

>>2797375
The beard is relatively lengthier than the comb-over; the lines defining the downward arc of the beard before the enrichment shapes seem to be too short inparticular.

Just a question: are you trying to correctly replicate this image by-the-numbers or trying to stylise it? Your line quality is a bit scratchy, but that's ok

I'm >>2797287 so perhaps don't take advice from me

>>2797389
Very very large eyes!

>>2797391
I was trying to replicate the image but it seems that Iam still prone to putting some weeb into my art. Thanks for the critique tho

>>2797389
Tumblr/10 speech-wise, try to keep your origins in your pants, thanks.
There's no point in colouring your drawings for now, work on eyes and facial features in general, you have little understanding for what they are. I honestly recommend working with pencil and paper, graphics tablets require more work to create depth.

Tried working with material exercises today. The one of the left block is silk cloth dropped randomly on it. I feel like there's too many folds but I can't put my finger on which ones to fix.

The right one is the same material hanging slightly above the block by a point in the middle of the cloth.

How do I have fun doing other shit than just doodling random shapes and shit?

Starting to get read annoyed over not being able to put anything down other than circles and lines and shapes.

>>2796911
Eyes are a bit fucked up but the rest is awesome!

>>2797127
Copy an image
If it doesn't look like the study make a better copy
???

I'll never make it

Is there hope for me?

>>2797487
Now do it without any tools

>>2797489
You're getting the basics of value down, now you just need to work on making it all blend better

I've never used a tablet, here's my first attempt.

>>2797529
you're using a soft round brush, you should be using a hard round to begin with

>study photo trying to make it as realistic as possible (only lines though no painting)
>somehow it comes out a bit stylized
Am I retarded? I don't even know how to explain it. It's like I'm at a point where I'm trying to be as realistic as possible but I'm not good enough to do it so it just comes out like a weird bad attempt at realism.
I feel like the problem is that I cannot look at the picture to draw what I see AND draw it at the same time without looking at the paper. If I try that it just comes out fucked because I can't keep track of proportions.

I can point out what I did wrong, but for some reason, I still can't draw it quite right. Is it time for more reading or muscle memory practice?

..What do you guys think.
>>2795606

>>2797486
>That attitude
You're right. You'll never make it, give up now.

I can pinpoint what I'm doing wrong, but I can't quite draw it right. Is it time for me to crack open the books to study more or should I focus on muscle memory? (Also does anyone have any good resources for teeth and anatomy cause I suck real bad)

>>2797508
Ok thanks I'll try to make a better version

>>2797555
You need to measure more.

>>2797552
I want to kill myself too. I hate drawing, I'm too retarded to learn.

On to better things
Anything could be better; I can't get worse!
There cannot be anything worse than the worst!
Ergo I can only be better than my worst
Or stay this bad
And there's no difference between succeeding and failing for one tiny agent who is just an angstrom in a mammoth universe

>>2797587
Very very large eyes and symbol drawing

drawing from imagination is cancer

>>2797562
Thanks, anon.

>>2797127
I really didn't capture the expression, and I don't understand why exactly. I assume it has something to do with the right eye.

I'm trying to better understand leg anatomy, so I looked at some quick references, and then at my own legs, and broke down the muscles into the major parts. Does this look mostly right?

>>2797544
Don't use lines. There are very rarely lines in nature. If you want a realistic look only put down differences in value. Let the shift from light to dark suggest a line.

>>2797576
You're not too retarded to learn. You're too lazy to put in the effort to learn. But like anon said, not all of us will make it.

>>2797537
Is this better at all?

Tried to render some legs, critiques?

is this man correct? >>2797076

>>2797676
Man legs?

do i only post the clean stuff i've done or do i post the suboptimal stuff too?

>>2797651
eh it is better, you improved the values and made it less fuzzy. Try harder to make it a circle though, clean up the edges and shit come on

>>2797685
Sorry, I was being kind of lazy

>>2797681
yes

>>2797628
Well I'm not really going for realism myself, it's just that when studying a photo I feel like I should make it look realistic? Or am I wrong?

all this practice and im still shit

>>2797693
>>2797544
https://aimeeknight.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/edwards-the-new-drawing-on-the-right-side-of-the-brain-viny.pdf

I think your problem is that you're forcing yourself to draw. When you're copying something, you shouldn't be feeling anything but instead be in a trance like state. You need to switch to your right brain and get rid of the critical thinking that weighs you down.

>>2797587
Decided to jump out of life studies for a bit to draw some heads from imagination

What am I missing here? I hate angles where the character is supposed to be looking up

>>2797703
They are very smushed

I'm working on a few Dylan studies for my dad's birthday. So far, I can tell that I need to fix up the eyes (too low, wrong shape) and make the hair less of a sketchy mess. Feedback much appreciated.

>>2797731
>>2797731
>>2797731
>>2797731
>>2797731
>>2797731
NEW THREAD

>>2797041
Bumping for help. Please give advice.

Where did I fuck up guys?

>>2796221
could you tell me what was your study rout? are you an arts majour or something or did tou learn everything by yourself through books and practice?

still cannot draw handa and feet and all my drawings are chicken scratch shit. should i start learning anatomy and proportions or something else? also its really hard to draw consiqutive drawings of same characters.

>>2800083
Not the guy you are replying to, but you do not need to major in art to get to that level (no offense to the guy you are replying to)

In fact, you don`t really need and art major for anything except connections.

>>2795601
here is my attempt
>>2800093
i am this guy
>>2800095
kk good to know bud