/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2789625
No eraser day XD

What a shitty day.

Hey, I recently started to get back to drawing again and I have two questions.
1) What tools do I need to draw? I have pic related. If I need anything else please tell me what brand or link to where I can buy it.
2) I see a lot of art posted here being digital, is a tablet a must have in this day and age? Is it an easy transition from traditional drawing to digital? Or must I learn to draw on tablets ASAP?

Thanks in advance

>>2789749
pencil and paper is all you need
get digital once you get good if you want to.

How long did it take you anons to learn noses? I just can't get this shit

>>2789789
>i simplified the shape guys honestly, no excuses here

>>2789749
>Is it an easy transition from traditional drawing to digital?
Mostly yes. Every drawing you do in any medium will go by the same process and will use the same technical skills. Since the tablet isn't what you're looking at when you draw like you do with traditional media, there is some hand-eye coordination that needs to be built up but that's the biggest difference.

>>2789815
Not sure what you mean. I should work with a less simplified shape?

Is Keys to Drawing a book about learning to draw from imagination or a book about learning how to draw from life? I'm unsure as the sticky lists it as an endorsed material for "observation and sight" but the book itself doesn't outline many ways which you observer from life; rather: it seems to tell you how to increase your visual library of objects

>>2789850
reconsider that basic shape. give it a second part above where it connects to the skull and arches inward.

>>2789862
Oh, no, you've misunderstood why it's there. It's just a bunch of exercises that teach people how to draw what they see. The things it makes you draw aren't so much related to drawing from life as they are to the prerequisite skills for drawing from life. Does that make sense?

The book isn't going to spoonfeed you past what is necessary, anything else is just redundant. The process you learn is used when you draw anything. You just take what you learn from that book, look at something in front of you, and draw it. It's easy as shit anon I don't understand why you're so baffled by it.

Stop over-complicating everything and just go draw.

>>2789862
It literally goes over measuring techniques and techniques for properly applying tone with little to no construction. It's all based on using reference and copying reference. If you can't tell that then you probably are at a level where you need to read it.

>>2789918
I think I confused it for the 2006 book by Bert Dodson that was named "Keys to Drawing with Imagination"

What does ic think of Aaron blaise?

>>2789938
Go shit up the questions thread with that bullshit not /beg/

>>2789938
generic mean response

Should I move to the next lesson instead of killing myself with these boxes?

>>2789959
yeah move on
why are some lines heavier?

>>2789963
Line weight is distributed to show depth

>>2789977
you mean the more distant lines are heavier?
if so, you've messed that up a bit.

Look! I drew something uncanny!

My camera can get closer to the picture than my real eyes can

>>2789986
why bother showing a single drawing if its without construction?
also what size, in micro millimetres, is that?

>>2789981
It wasn't me answering though.

I don't really know how to show depth with line weight so I just did it a bit randomly. Guess I'll just ignore that for the moment and move on like you said.

I hope the next lesson has something about this because I don't quite understand it yet.

>>2789990

>>2790002
its inconsistent whatever he wants to do with it

>>2789990
There is literally a section in DAB where he goes over line weight so you're fine.

i'd go

>>2790003
sure, but he said he didn't understand how to represent distance with line weight so now he knows.

>>2790012
its attention seeking memeshit and its infantile
just knuckle down and practise.

>>2790016
why you gotta hate on how i unwind after a day of studies

>>2790018
gratification should come from the self

>>2789988
The entire drawing is about 3 centimeters in horizontal diameter

>>2790030
oh my b it looked smaller.
its still too small though, draw larger.
also show your construction lines.

>>2790012
I like it

>>2790016
I'm sorry to announce but, your autism...it's terminal

>>2790035
Actually: measuring it again, it's closer to 2cm

This was pretty fun to draw, especially the windshield part. Looks off though, still working on perspective and boxes.

Drew from a reference. Googled "low poly space ship" or something.

>>2789624
What have I done

Painting some acrylics when I should really study fundamentals, it's really fun though. Forgot to define the light source when I started, so it's kinda all over the place.

>>2790056
Try to spend more time thinking about the way the skull works, the side of the head isn't that flat.
What you've done is a good form of exercise though, it would be a good idea to do some more.
>>2790066
Having fun is important, but don't forget to critically think and learn while doing it.

>>2790092
Thank you for the advice; it's good advice!

>>2790066
:3

Is there any way to buy just Photoshop Illustrator?

I don't care about the rest of the adobe ecosystem, and I'm not going to pay 20€/month for one program.

>>2789751
If a pencil and paper is all I need then that's cool. I asked because I see that people use blenders and other type of tools to make certain affects on their drawings. Just makes me wonder if I need it.

>>2790140
just torrent it lmao

>Start drawing one of the references
>Instead of sketching it all out in the beginning so that I get the right proportions I just start with the eyes like a retard
>Somehow end up with a slight sideways perspective that I need to change

At least I can blame it on this new tablet r-right guys?

At least I'm having fun. But I need to move the right eye slightly higher up, correct?

>>2789625
This is the ref

>>2790140

I dont know if this still works...

http://www.redmondpie.com/download-adobe-photoshop-cs2-for-free-legally-while-you-still-can/

CS2 is still good enough for painting.

>>2789749
>I see a lot of art posted here being digital, is a tablet a must have in this day and age

Doing digital is not a trend. I and many people here do digital because our end goal is to do digital illustration, creature design etc... Don't buy it because everyone else is doing it.

Do traditional first pencil and paper is good enough also check the sticky.

>>2790207
instead of placing things haphazardly on the face, begin with some construction so you have something to relate each feature to

>>2790002
>>2790003
>>2790007
All right, thanks. I think I get the general idea.

When a black line desaturates, does it tend towards grey, then light grey and finally white?

I think I'll be fine with how DaB explains it but I'd like to hear your opinion about it.

>>2790207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXvvMlYXe2w&t=1110s

>don't start with construction, learn to copy
>but to copy you need to apply construction! Learn construction before trying to copy people
I'm not gonna make it.

>>2790236
>>2790239
Thank you for the responses.

I made some progress on the face but it looks terrible and shows how much time I spend on eyes vs everything else.

I'll make you people proud some day.

>>2790123
Wat

Hey guys, I wanna get into iterative drawing so I've been looking for a torrent with reference pics for poses and stuff like that, but I haven't had any luck.
Do you know of any? I want to avoid pdf since it's a shit format for my phone.

>>2790237
yeah, if you're just using black lines use a lighter pressure on the objects that are further away to give the impression of distance.

I'm late to the party with this.

>>2790307
quickposes.com

Is Huion 1060 PLUS a good tablet to buy?
I'm an extreme poorfag with no knowdledge about tablets living in Poland so I probably don't have much to choose from.

>>2790317
>quickposes.com
love you man

>>2790325
no, also you already shill your brand in the wacom thread

>>2790353
But why would you pay 30 dollars more for something half the size with half the lpi, half the pressure sensitivity and 1/6th of the buttons?

>>2790356
>pressure sensitivity
>he doesn't know
LMAO

mouths are a common symbol draw arent they? best ways to fix this? practise cutting bits out of a cylinder?

>>2790399
Drawing mouths.

>>2790402
brute force isnt often the answer.

>>2790404
You're right! NBA pros are idiots for practicing drills all day.

>>2790410
>i know i'll compare two fundamentally different things
yeah because a weedy guy gets strong by trying to lift 200kg everyday right from the start.

>>2790411
My point is to stop avoiding the hard work. The more you draw mouths, you're learning your mistakes every time and the next time you draw a mouth you'll be aware of it while you think in a 3D space. Or go ahead and draw your cylinders or whatever.

>>2790412
thats not necessarily the most optimal way and you projected your own habits when you talked about avoiding hard work.

consider my suggestion of cutting shapes out of a cylinder or sphere then progressing up in steps until you are drawing a mouth on a head.

>>2790417
I guess you're right. You could try that out.

I'll never escape symbol drawing! Never ever! It will be a pestilence centric to the back of my head in ewigkeit

>>2789624

I've been trying fun with pencil lately until I hit a road block at page 21.
what should I do

>>2790428
Everything is lines

it hurts

>>2790428
I've been trying to draw the ball.
But when I draw it doesnt look good.

>>2790435
>>2790428
Your images don't need to be 3k pixels.

How do you guys even do it?
>Be shitter
>Try to draw
>Observe carefully
>Try to draw
>Angles don't match up, size doesn't match up, everything is fucked
It's so frustrating I want to quit. The gap between what I know I'm seeing, what I know I'm trying to do, and what actually happens is so frustrating.
It's like I'm walking and every time I try to take a step I trap and faceplant into a pile of broken glass even though I know what walking looks like when done right and it should be as easy as copying the motions but when I try to do that my legs start twitching uncontrollably and fucking everything up.

>>2790448
its rough.
keep at it if you want to though.

Some shading practice with notes

Since I'm shading simple forms and shapes, is there an online tool to view 3d shapes with light or anything of the sort? What to get the tone and shadows down right before moving on.

>>2790454
might want to try blender

>>2789626

>>2790463
you see her left eye?

>>2790464
idk I think I messed up with her face

>>2790026
What's the point of learning art if you don't draw things you enjoy at least occasionally?

>>2790472
To serve Art History and to create works of Art that convey ideas and narrative structures, those are alternate meanings

>>2790426
All of the lines making up the eye should have a larger scale factor, right?

>>2790016
>stop having fun

>>2790463
Get a mirror and look at your drawing through it. It's good to check for warped features.

>>2790434
Are you doing one hand a day?

I just ordered Keys to Drawing and Drawing on The Right Side of the Brain, should I try practicing anything on my own while they're shipping or will I just end up forming bad habits? I have zero experience. Also any other 'step one' books I missed or will those two be sufficent until ive 'finished them both?

>>2790567
you know you could just head over to the artbook thread and download PDFs right now, right? You paid for the books, so technically you won't be stealing.

Whens a good time to move to digital?

>>2790325
if you don't have a moni, buy huion

>>2790570
I hadn't noticed the links were posted there actually. I overlooked that thread assuming it was for something else. I'll do that, thanks.

>>2790571
When you're pretty sure you aren't going to be wasting 70 bucks on a tablet.

The main reason people say not to start with digital is because you're shit when you start and most people quit 10 pages into a sketchbook. The other reason is you're retarded when you start and think an intuos pro/cintiq is exactly what you need and a small is an acceptable compromise for the price or that the 20 dollar monoprice is a good idea.

>>2790563
Yeah, but not for long.

>>2790237
It fades to what ever colour the atmosphere is.

no ref. i had a hard time coloring the ear in the shadowy part. im starting to notice more and more thing to improve like not making the skin a uniform color and realizing some places are light and darker and have different hues and such

>>2790623
eric come on now

it's been months and there's been almost no improvement

if your preliminary sketch is shit your end result is going to be the same

>>2790623
>>2790625
I think there's a slight improvement on the drawing but the coloring is still as awful

I got the feeling you do a black and white and then use a color layer, is this what you do?

>>2790625
>eric come on now
kek this is worrisome
ive most def improved on the drawing and fixed some of the symbol problems
>>2790628
unfortunately not. i think im just being a bitch and staying in my color comfort zone while i work out my drawing issues

>>2790399
I'm not a very good art dude so maybe I'm wrong but I think the best thing you could do is think of it in terms of it being a thing that's wrapping around a thing? I'm probably not explaining that properly but I think you know what I mean

>>2790561
yes, one eye looks weird

just pulled up a few raw shot portaits and picked colors off it and my colors are def way off. im both to far right on saturation and my colors are too closer to the yellow side of orange when they should be closer to the reds.

>>2790630
You will be at the same level 10 years from now if you don't ditch everything that's in your head and start from the bottom...

>>2790679
are you basing that off the pic you quoted?

>>2790630
Can you post just a line art work?

>>2790684
Both pictures that you posted

>>2790686
lol the other one isnt that bad and you know it. i can even overlay it with pics. the colors are bad though
>>2790685
i cant find the .psd for the one you quoted but here's the line art for the other. i obviously made some tweaks

just so we're clear. i literally post every single one of these i do (which is one a week or so) and i admit i dont study inbetween, just try to improve on the last.

>>2790691
oops

im going to draw another so you can see the process

>do something different and study pixiv anime
>figure is exactly 8 heads tall
>halfway point at the waist
>nose aligns perfectly with center of gravity

it's as if everything is made from the same rules of basic construction and proportion with no shortcuts

>>2790722
oops messed this one up by not having the centerline not follow the oval

>>2789626
>>2790463
I made sightly changes, still have many details to correct, but I like it

>>2790793
Her chin is still too narrow and sycra-ish. It's hard to tell on the ref since it's blown out by white

>>2790795
yup, it was confusing making her chin

how good do I have to be before i can start asking for commissions? any recommendations for how you guys take payments and stuff?

>>2790426
It looks like you're really heavily constructing like Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy. There's something to be said for drawing what you see instead of constructing what you're looking at.
>>2790315
I like your linework neaer the eyes/nose.
>>2790012
wtf is going on with the bottom half?

>>2790722
>>2790735
so ill end up with something like this but with something really specific like i want the lips and hair done a certain way or eyes or whatever and everything else will be symbol. this one is utter dog shit because im frustrated

do i at least get to say my landscapes aren't complete shit. this is wip by the way

>>2790841
way too much contrast.

>>2790841
colors are all too saturated. There's a good intention though

>>2790735
>>2790839
>06:02:24
>08:17:47
Surely you've been doing other shit mean while... right?

>>2790865
kek no. but im that guy that has a security job so i have to drive around every once and a while too. then i decided to change the 'pose' but ditched that idea. and im getting flustered. but is the construction okay? i feel like the hair line and the angle of the forehead are completely off. but thats basically the process for these. if this construction is okay ill start painting it so you guys can see exactly how i manage to fuck these up so bad

>>2790844
i see it, agreed. i think i made the trees and ground too dark to show its supposed to be overcast

>>2790849
agreed a consistent problem i have

>>2790870
It hurts to see you keep doing this so I'll tell you the neck is attached to the ear. So I'd recommend a draw-through of the head to see where the right ear is and connect it that way - it's too beefy as is currently. I'd also recommend Keys to Drawing.

>>2790870
stop torturing yourself. either practise enough to be good or stop entirely. its painful to watch.

>>2790876
i have no idea how to attach heads to necks
>>2790881
welp okay

i found a ref thats similar to my outline, something that stick out are
>neck attaches wrong
>too much head in the back, my circle touches the very far outside of his hair but thats where his skull is supposed to be
>eye was in the wrong spot (i would have actually noticed this without the ref)

hello, first time posting here/ been learning drawing for about month and half now, opinions?
i think my poses are too stif

>>2790884
pretty good. show your construction when you post next time.

>>2790886
here u go, threw one together real quick. i go off of this for the most part

>>2790891
consider making that stage a little bit more robust. more than just an 8 and an outline sketch.

maybe try drawing the ribcage/hip or a simplified skeleton.

i went over the major color blocks with lighter and more desaturated colors but i cant tell if its good enough became im crying at how bad i am at portrait and figure

>>2790892
sorry for the light outline, i already draw a two part ribcage, the shoulders and a (trapezoid?). the trapezoid indicates where the shoulders connect to the chest and where the armpit is. heres with some extra lines. any big flaws with this one?

im a bit confused on how i do the hips, since i mostly just do them from memory without any skeleton. also noticed the left leg on the previous pic is a bit too high. the hourglass shape is for figuring out body shape mostly and where the crotch goes. also helps me maintain a good lowerbody upperbody ratio in heights

>>2790901
consider doing a simplified version of this. like a bucket or something.

>>2790905
ty, that flower pot example helps loads. now that i picture the ribs and hips as connected by a metal spring it also seems easier to figure how the body would bend, going to practice this now

>>2790815
Should I draw what I see and then deconstruct it, like I did with this?

Eyes are too small I know. Features are not correctly measured I know. But assuming I get past that: I need to learn from observation, don't I? There's no point in creating 1:1 replicas if I take nothing away from it, right?

>>2790922
that looks fine, those lips are a symbol though.

i think its k to do that every now and then but mostly you should be constructing then drawing. im a beginner too though so pinch of salt etc.

Gragh how do I out of symbol drawing lips?

Have a shiny tree for your efforts

>>2790934
see >>2790399

>>2790922
I literally do not see the point in trying to recreate something like this with construction.

>>2790922
ugh everyone shits on mine but no one elses. your overall construction is off a lot. your check lines dont even match. honestly the ref sucks because you dont have a full head to construct off of

>>2789625

tried doing a face from imagination

>>2790983
better than >>2790623

>>2790990
no bully

>>2790960
How do I avoid being wrong as hell at everything I draw?

>>2791004
Also what are check lines?

>>2790970
Help. I need cc pls

>>2790941
Something to do with internalising the organic forms. If you do not have photographic memory you can't rotate forms in your head without some sort of mathematical construction, but with these contour lines I can break down the visual information and foreshorten the objects as they rotate in space, eventually allowing me to recreate a face from any angle without having to use reference

>>2790960
>being salty people arent making fun of other anons
less fickle please.

>>2790960
I think people tend to spurn and insult yours since it's uncanny. You're close to human likeness but the artificial colours and the slightly idiosyncratic shape of some features (the eye in particular) has buried you in the uncanny valley.

You will make it; we all will. We just need to put in the time and help each other out rather than just saying "this is bad" and then not saying why it achieves something or fails to do so.

>>2791023
The problem is also values; The woman appears to have light sources coming at her from all directions, which would explain the equal illumination on each cheek. But if that were the case: Why is the nose such a dark value on that particular point?

>>2791005
crappy sorry i meant cheek lines. like the angle of the check doesnt even match.
>>2791004
developing observation skills. learn to measure, check how things line up vertically and horizontally (for example if your drawing if you drew vertical lines down from the pupils youd see how the come close to the chin. if your drawing her chin is almost directly below her left eye when in the ref its off by a bit due to the angle) etc

>>2791011
no im sensitive

>>2791023
>>2791026
yeah the colors are especially bad on this one. i didnt actually notice how bad the values were on the nose, usually theres a darker value but went way dark with that one. i decided to defy you guys again and went through painting that outline after making some tweaks to it. ill post when its done

I need some critique

I really feel like i can't make the shading "blend" and appear natural

>>2790883
the neck pushes the head forward. quit memeing through loomis and learn some anatomy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>2791009
Think about that once you're able to copy what you see.

>>2790990
Dont know if i should take it as compliment, or as diss.

>>2791095
Thanks for this anon!

>>2791058
Four of these are my (You)s

I feel loved

>>2791121
dont listen to that guy. he should have a trip so we know to disregard what he says.

>>2791130
But you're that guy; you don't use capital letters or put a connotation between "r" and "e" in "you're"

>>2791096
Can you notify me when you think I'm at that level of drawing knowledge?

You'll know when it's me because I'll use the name "Heathin"

>>2791136
Like this

>>2791135
capital letters are obsolete and useless

>>2791138
namefagging isn't necessary

you don't see anyone else do it

>>2790936
>Cutting bits out of a cylinder
What did he mean by this?

>>2791212
draw a cylinder with bits (shapes) cut out of it.

I drew this hand 5 times and got it wrong

I spent about a minute doing each; should I spend more time measuring? Should I use plumb lines?

I'm attempting to draw the hand from this reference >>2789620

>>2791240
middle finger is under the shadow of index, you cut out that part, it also does not spawn from the index finger, it forms a V

>>2791242
Drat; I should have squinted
And perhaps used common sense

>>2791245
You're in the process of training your eye to see shapes and their relation to other aspects of your reference. It takes time but you'll get there as long as you think analytically and deliberately (which is to say not mindlessly copy).

>>2791245
you should have put your hand in the same position

honestly this is the problem with references, try 3d models if you're still at this level of symbol drawing after reading the sticky

Any tips on choosing what kind of brush to draw with (digital)? Mostly lineart but would like to start studying shadowing and the regular pencil tool just comes out weird.

>>2791255
hard round default brush is all you need

a different brush won't make you better

>>2791259

what should the size be in proportion to the canvas size?

>>2791247
Ohk;
... I should definitely read Keys to drawing, as it might help

>>2791265
i'd like to know this as well

>>2791265
>>2791284
it literally doesn't matter and at that point it'd be overthinking

are you blocking in shapes? go big

are you refining your lineart? go small

this is not a formula

>>2791286
ahh, i guess you're right sorry.
i'm having a bit of trouble with hatching digitally because i feel like it looks kinda odd/big/blochy.

another bad habit is i keep drawing too small, so that might be why.

it's a hard habit to break.

I just got a tablet, but I'm feeling a bit lost and overwhelmed with all the brush settings or how to mimic certain parts of pencil drawing.

I'm already proficient with Photoshop for unrelated reasons, just not for a tablet. Does anyone have any tips, like flow vs opacity. Flow on pressure vs Shape Dynamics on pressure? Or maybe what settings I should use when sketching, inking, or shading? Anything helps.

>>2791291
Ctrl+Paint has all of your answers, even to questions you didn't know you had (and probably explained better than any d/ic/khead). Huge free video library so get started.

It's okay if this board is not your first bastion for answers.

>>2789620

I promise to stop posting the same stupid hand drawing now, but I had one new question:

Seen as I'm currently only looking for a capacity to be able to accurately replicate what I see in front of me, can I keep on using the same reference, or is that harmful?

>>2791095
Holy... I just watch through it once and in just a few minutes of rough sketch...

It's messy and this is the first time I'm using this method. It's also the first time I got something like this in just a few minutes. I wasn't even drawing properly.

I'm going to watch it again and this time I'm going to listen to every word. Again... Thanks anon!

Second painting of my life, starting at the easiest place: Bob Ross tutorials. Did this with a butter knife, fine duster, and a sponge.

>Where do I go after I've learned his stuff?
>What are some good brushes and tools?

why is it good to practise negative space?

Do no work its Christmas enjoy it boys.

>>2791355
get out

>>2791355
/draw/ and /alt/ can rest for the holidays, we can't

>>2791351
it's yet another check to see how accurate you've drawn something

>>2791355
there are some who don't care about those holidays, just meh'
Besides, for some others this is no work but a hobby

>>2790315
I think the neck should be thinner, perhaps in the back. Maybe you should be more careful in applying where the hair is going as well. The braid is one of the things that makes this picture interesting.

>>2790623
maybe you should work on you drawing skills before rendering. just fill up a few pages of your sketchbook with observations and try to break things down into simpler shapes.

>>2789623

Ok ok; exercise 1 & 2 from Bert Dodson's Keys to Drawing

Critique?

>>2791555

>>2791556
Yeah!

Is there an exercise based regimen to improving every area of drawing? I want someone to tell me what do draw to improve ;______;

I don't mind doing it 1000 times, but I need to get the bigger picture of it...

>>2791711
Draw:

Your feet, crossed, looking at your feet more than you look at your hands

Your hand, with your fingers at eye-level

Look at a pepper, put the pepper away, and then draw it. Then replace the pepper and draw it while looking at the pepper

Draw pictures of the Asaro head, or download the 3d model, until you have an understanding of its forms from all angles

Draw a spoon and a fork with a bow of string tying through both

Indicate a vanishing point, draw lines coming off from the vanishing points, connect the lines vertically and horizontally until you have a box

Draw natural forms; pages full of spheres, or two spheres connected with sinuous lines known as "beans", are good for mechanical refinement and organic freedom of movement

Draw trees and wrap contour lines about them

Take a bite out of a piece of bread and study the piece of bread that remains

Study Loomis' plates of the heroic male at the start of Andrew Loomis' drawing the head and hands.

I don't know

>>2791497
I honestly do prefer you go to the draw thread. You'd get better critique from people who aren't /beg/ at this point

>>2791497
beautiful, man.

I practiced for a full hour today.

i'm trying

>>2791850

>>2789624
I'm probably going to spend some money on a chalkboard; I feel really bad for eating up so much paper with terrible studies

>>2791780
Ok, I will move to /draw/ then, but will keep an eye on here, OP has a good taste for some models, like Anastasia Keprin or Doutzen Krous.

>>2791497
holy shit

Critique this please. I really wanna nail proportion and gesture

Just started Loomis and trying to get a hang of digital with ctrl+paint, also starting how to sketch manga.

I'm goin through fun with a pencil on Loomis, anything else I should read from him?

Also anything else you recommend me going through? Tbh I just want to draw cute girls.

>>2791942
Try drawing the eye sockets with the eyeballs first like this it should help you out. I rushed this pretty bad, but you should be able to learn a couple things from it granted that you can read my atrocious handwriting.

>>2791986
Holy shit I love you anon.

>>2791992
Here's some actual reference for you to study from. Post some of your improvements later, I'd like to see how you use the info

>>2792002
Sorry again for the bad handwriting. If you need any further explaining I'll be here

Practice sketches, please critique!

Welp I've got this issue with motivation and the way my mindset seems to be is probably fucking me up royally.

I've been stagnate for so long now it seems. I can't seem to figure out how to just sit down and practice. I have so much trouble just leaving things unfinished. I know that to improve you have to just draw constantly and not stop. Like if someone tells me say, draw 30 arms and 10 torsos, I can sit down and do that, but I can't seem to get myself to sit down and do it on my own.

Anyone else have something like this going on with them?

pic related is the last little sketchbook doodles that I was able to force myself through.

>>2792043
This happens to a lot of people. It's an issue of self-motivation.

I mostly see it happen when people have too much time on their hands and they come to realize that there's an abundance of cheap entertainment around them on the internet and get less and less motivated to do something that requires effort. I used to have this problem, and though it may seem counter intuitive, once I got a job having LESS time made me more motivated to work. I'd feel the need to spend my free time more wisely since I had so little of it, so instead of doing maybe 1 - 2 hours of work when I had 16 hours of free time, I'd spend 4 hours when I only had 5 and at work I'd always be thinking about how much I hated working and how much I wish I was i was drawing, which just made me appreciate it more. Once I left the job I had a pretty rigid schedule and I was set in my ways enough to continue. Self motivation is a ridiculously hard problem to fix, the only way is to just get used to doing work and the easiest way to do that is to force yourself into a situation where you see drawing practice as a release instead of effort.

TL;DR I think your life is too good and cheap entertainment is more alluring than drawing practice.

This took me like three hours

>>2792056
Make a lot of sense. I'll give this a good deal of thought. I'm currently between jobs and on the very tail end of recovery from surgery right now so that does make a lot of sense. I have waay too much free time right now. Back when I was working I took part in the Inktober challenge, seemed like the most I had drawn in a long while.

i somehow managed to salvage the construction on >>2790870 and came up with pic related. i think the colors are an improvement on what i was doing before but ill probably have to play around some more and find better colors

>>2791095
thanks this looks like exactly what i need.

>>2792072
forgot to say that this is a wip and im also going to stop doing these and starting practicing dozens, maybe even hundred of loomis heads

>>2792005
Relax, thanks a lot for the input, tomorrow I'll draw more, I'll be sure to post it here.

Again, I really appreciate it anon.

I can't draw circles.
I was planning to just give up but I've been using a stencil instead.
Should I get to the point where I can draw a good circle or is it just unnecessary? Keep in mind I've drawn for only 8 hours in the last 3 years and they've all been over two days so perhaps I'll just get better naturally?

>>2792119
>8 hours
>start to use crutch

No discipline huh?

If you practice circles as a warmup every day you're going to see art gains as long as you do it deliberately. What kind of unrealistic expectations do you have where you give up after 8 total hours of drawing?

You're going to get someone telling you to drop the stencil and do the hard work freehand. But to be honest, use the stencil - it's fine. In five months when you're still using a stencil but the same guy who started drawing the same time as you is freehanding passable circles so quick that it's second nature, you can use your stencil to kill you are self.

>>2792119
I'm new myself so take my conclusion with a grain of salt
If you can't consistently draw a circle well, then you can't consistently draw curves well
If you can't consistently draw curves well, there's not really much you can draw well as everything organic involves curves

>>2792127
this

>>2792127
>>2792126
I'm feeling extremely depressed and paranoid right now due to shit like neuroplasticity that get's posted here all the time.
Are you telling me I'm permanently fucked or can my circle drawing skills be improved? Is 21 too late to start seriously? I'm having fun but it's just so fucking depressing and hard.

>>2792134
>being afraid of improving in skill
the brain and mind is constantly changing
chill out you insane fuck

>>2792134
I feel like this is the only time that I'll seriously say neuroplasticity is actually a meme.

Just draw. If you find yourself looking for excuses on a regular basis, you should rethink if you really want to do art or not. There's an influx of people who take drawing way too fucking seriously around this time of year.

>>2792134
You could be 80 and become a good artist.

It is just about practice. You are 8 hours in, you don't just magically improve instantly like you were playing a video game. But if you keep at it you will eventually get better, just keep practicing and drawing, and pay attention to your mistakes, and find out how to avoid and correct them.

I can't draw for shit either, but if I keep at it I reckon I can be decent after 6-12 months.

>>2792134
> Is 21 too late to start seriously?
I'm almost 23 in a few days and I literally started a week ago

are the proportions on my drawing going well?

>>2792147
no
>>2790905

>>2792150
how about now anon?

>>2792150
fuck, sorry, too big.

>>2792150
shit, now I see the problem with the ass...

>>2792157
you didnt change any proportion?
im telling you to use construction you dolt.

>>2792167
ok last one of the night, I think the torso looks ok now, please elaborate more if not, followed the construction guide but the angle I'm trying to draw makes it more difficult. I think the legs are kinda short but I'm not sure.

>>2791854
>2959x4816

Is this a meme?

>>2789624
sorry it looks light, my phone camera is not so great

>>2792190
i used charcoal pt1

>>2792253
pt2

i have a bad habit of posting when i havent really done anything

>>2792272
had to resize

why is this thread full of attention seekers? why isnt there a serious disciplined /beg/ thread?

>>2792275
Beginners aren't disciplined. Those who are will keep on and the ones who don't will leave eventually. It's something you have to deal with, and it comes in cycles. So tune out the crybabies and other things you can't change.

>>2792275
people like attention

>>2792286
children and normies like attention. the denizens of this thread should do better desu.

>>2792290
well how are you supposed to get a critique then. thats receiving attentions by nature

>>2792072
Stop using black, looks bad man
Also, don't just do loomis heads, apply the construction to studies from reference

>>2792126
Not the same anon, but would yall say the opening lessons on DrawABox make for good warm ups?

Please critique

I recently got a tablet and getting used to digital is tricky

>>2792353
I feel your pain. Even with cintiq models they're usually really slippery as the glass surface is so smooth. It'll take some time for you to get the same accuracy you have on pencil and paper in digital. That being said, I think you should work on head proportions. The ears usually don't go that far above the head except when the head is tilted down a lot. The nose line and the cheek bones don't line up with the eyes.You should be able to draw a line or across the the tops of the eyebrows ,cheeks, nose and chin and have them be parallel. In perspective they'd be converging towards a vanishing point but you don't have to worry about that right now. I'd suggest you learn how to draw heads based on Loomis construction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U

>>2792349
not him but my warmup is:
straight lines
grids
circles/ovals in those grids
curved lines on those circles
cubes in perspective
circles in perspective on those cubes (this is a drawabox exercise)
contouring squiggle shapes
drawing upturned pins on those shapes.
shapes not in strict perspective overlapping each other

all in all it takes about 20 minutes.

Exercise 4 of Bert Dodson's Keys to drawing

>>2792275
Make a beginner thread with a daily regimen and maybe people will be disciplined to do it, maybe not.

I'd prefer something like: draw 20 of this shit, I'd enter the thread and do it every day.

Tbh this is what I'm trying to discipline myself to do though, but I need more information so I don't make 20 bad constructions and get bad habits...

>>2792414
Yeah, something like:

Read/watch this tutorial.
Make 20 of this.
Daily.

I think would be trully beneficial and every beginner would get at least a good trainning of a skill daily, insted of just drawing one or two reference.

>>2792416
thats mostly what drawabox's beginning is and there are people here who dont do that. there needs to be a refined and simplistic sticky that even idiots/lazy can understand fully.

>>2792405
Curious about artists's routines so if I may ask:

With straight lines, do you practice in your ''good'' direction or train in drawing straight lines from every angle.

What do you mean by curved lines on the circles?

What do you mean by upturned pins? Like arrows showing the direction of the contours?

>>2792416
As long as its beneficial in the long run and doesnt create bad habits (why I'm making sure none of my daily drawing is going to waste, I'd be game for it.

>>2792427
lines from every angle, going over them 8 times.
like a figure of 8 movement but across bunch of circles/ovals.
i cant remember the video or guy who made it but he had a bunch of technical exercises. i think his name was jack and he was a japanese hermit concept artist living in america. he made a game about a paper plane that didnt do well.

anyway its basically a flathead pin with its point aimed away from the shape. just a circle with a line. its a good exercise to paste it onto shapes.

>>2792427
If there's critique of the drawings, then you won't be making bad habits, because you'll analyze what you did with feedback and be able to change your perception.

But as Sycra says, whats important is mileage... it trains your intuitive system. I believe that too.

>>2791071
try building up the shading slowly rather than going in so harshly.

>>2792374
Thank you for the pointers. I noticed some of them after I posted the picture.

The initial idea was to have the head tilted dramatically forwards but I didn't convey that well in the drawing which is why the perspective is a bit off at times.


Regarding Loomis, is the main goal of it to learn to construct, or is there more to it than that?

I did this as per the instructions in the book, should I just do this more and more and keep going through the whole book until it clicks?

Did a quickish color thumbnail study

>>2792142
Lol, we are practicing the same stuff.

Did some faces.

What can I improve?

>>2792460
ref? imagination? are you studying from a book? if it's ref or book post it so we can compare.

>>2792454
Use blank paper.

Hi guys, newfag here.

How do I learn how to draw fast ? Basically just make a rough draft in a few minutes and it would still looks decent. Kind of like SnK's art

Excercise5BertDodson'sKeystoDrawing

Am I doomed?
my first time ever trying to seriously drawing, I did the Picasso exercise at the big sticky, upside down.
should I continue this?

>>2792568
You're not doomed, you just need more instruction. Once you learn how to copy what's right in front of you: you may replicate that effort ad infinitum.

You still need to learn how to copy accurately, however; you can't expect your first serious drawing to be of amazing standards. I think you should read "Keys to Drawing" by Bert Dodson, and you may illegally download and read it here

https://mega.co.nz/#!LZsVXTjJ!t5W4mBq9v2iBbJWxvHM04rrMtA4wV7d3ZqX4daJowL4

Comprehend him as much as humanly possible and do most of the exercises. It might not seem to teach accuracy at first, but it teaches you how to see, hold and record shapes, which is exactly what you have to do

Continuing that is fine. Why not? Read this after though:

https://mega.co.nz/#!LZsVXTjJ!t5W4mBq9v2iBbJWxvHM04rrMtA4wV7d3ZqX4daJowL4

>>2792008
Nobody's answered my question. Please critique it!

>>2792575
im not sure. i dont think theres anything particularly wrong with it. just keep practising that for a bit.

>>2792575
Why does the picture say
"Remember the dog?"
and then
"Dog pees, dog pees everywhere"?

>>2792581
>92581 ▶
>>>2792575 (You)
>Why does the picture say
>"Remember the dog?"
>and then
>"Dog pees, dog pees everywhere"?
I noticed that the pecs look like a dog

Just remember, you probably have had better gains than this guy has had:

http://neptuniakitsune.deviantart.com/gallery/

>>2792602
Who are you talking to anon?

>>2792605
I meant it as in general.

>>2792602
this would be me if i hadnt found /beg/ and they hadnt told me to read the sticky.

dodge a bullet there.

>>2792414
>but I need more information so I don't make 20 bad constructions and get bad habits...

There's pictures in books. Videos on youtube. What more do you fucking need?

My Wacom Intuos Pro Medium freezes every once in a while when stroking. This started happening when I updated to the 6.3.19-3 drivers.

Is Wacom going to fix this soon or should I revert to an earlier version? If I need to revert, which version should I be using?

So Loomis is all about construction, right?

I haven't gotten that far, I'm just experimenting and seeing what I can make, what works, what doesn't.

But should I try and copy what's in the book, or just follow the instructions and make my own drawings with the book as a framework?
Figured I'd add some embellishment to the second head just because. I'm wondering though, how anatomically correct should I try and be? The blooks that are in the book aren't perfect representations of the human form (and they aren't meant to be), but should I try and stay somewhat correct?

>>2792176
Can I get a reply please??

>>2792632
>Forgetting the picture

Now the dude in the uniform is wrong, his jaw is too wide and the cheeks aren't correct either, although I'm not 100% on how I should change it.

>>2792127
How the fuck do you guys come up with this shit LOL

>>2792638
reported ;)

>>2792422
I think DrawABox needs to use some of his history as a programmer and redo his site to force the exercises on people.

How to draw eyes without dead blank stare?

>>2792573
Thank you.

>>2792674
EYEBROWS
Y
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B
R
O
W
S

>>2792568
I did the Picasso exercise too!

>>2792525
focus on quality

speed comes with skill

>>2789623
I've been trying to work on arms lately, I really like this picture. I'm still working on getting the values down.

>>2792724
>>2792724
>>2792724

>>2792724
>>2792724
>>2792724

>>2792575
God I'm starting to get tired of nobody giving me advice on the fucking art critique board.

>>2792742
welcome to the club

this place is actually where you learn to be self-analytical at a high degree and therefore the chosen few to make it

>>2792742
It seems fine for the most part. Try playing around with different body types, fat, thin, tall, short, etc.

>>2792633
the length of the legs are fine, they would get larger if they got closer to the camera, but there's no perspective in your picture so that's not relevant

>>2792744
>>2792757
Thank you for actually replying. I've been struggling with it for awhile but now I think I can move on. I just wanted to make sure I was on the right path before I started refining my anatomy and body type skills. I've gotten to the point where I can "see" the depth of form going back into space on the page so now all I have to do is learn how to simplify the muscles. I already was pretty well versed in anatomy a few months ago but I shot myself in the foot by thinking I could just skip internalizing proportion and just learn by eye. These may not look like much, but these REALLY helped me get gesture and proportion down https://design.tutsplus.com/series/human-anatomy-fundamentals--cms-724

>>2792448
Keep practicing and try to visualize the 3d forms on the page. Make sure you draw through all the forms like anon did here.
>>2792008

>>2791986
Sorry, I relly tried, I made other faces but I really don't understand too much how the eye sockets would change the eyes.

Guess I'll just keep practicing and try to mantain motivation, someday I'll draw cute anime girls!

Suicide is always an option if I fail though.

>>2792460
I like them

>>2792159
I think I answered this on another thread that you posted on but I'm gonna repeat myself anyway. Good pose, but the proportion is still wrong. The elbows should be slightly lower and line up with the belly button (if it is lining up, it's difficult to tell as you've made the belly button a slit instead of hole) another.Also the breasts do not start 2 heads down either, the pectoral muscles (chest muscles). This is relevant as the breasts hang off of them and tuck into the armpit instead of laying directly on top of them like you have here. You seem to be using around 7 heads for your figure but I think this might've just been an error from a 7.5 head model because I don't think she's 10 years old.

>>2792695
I think yours is better, it's nice to know there is more beginners at the very start.
I also want to try again.

>>2792826
It's not that hard, just draw the eyebrows on the horizontal center line instead of placing your eyes on there. Keep practicing anon!

>>2792867
tried one more

>>2792869
little changes

>>2792869
>>2792877
Good! There's definitely a lot more improvement here anon! You've started to make the eyeballs more round, which is good, and you've put in the planes of the head the right spots (mostly), The lines seem very scratchy, did you draw this with a mouse or tablet? If you did use a mouse you should really consider getting a tablet it will be 1000 times better trust me

>>2792881
Now granted, the example I gave you was scratchy as well but that was only drew those quickly in order to give you some basic tips. Also quick side note, the shadow of the neck should collect more under the the area of the chin instead of the back of the head like you have in that side view

>>2792881
Thanks a lot!!!! for the input.

It was with a tablet... I'm finding it very hard to get the line right with the first, so I end up scratching it until it gets more or less the form I want. Is there a better way to do it?

I'll try to focus more on getting eyes rounder and try to figure out the planes of the head when I draw, again, thanks!

>>2792886
Like this?

>>2792887
Try drawing from your shoulder instead of using your wrist as much, anon. and you can get lines like this. If you don't draw the line in one try, press CTRL Z and redo it until you get it mostly right in one smooth stroke. If you overshoot, zoom in and use the eraser tool to get rid of the mistakes.

>>2792890
Yes it's a lot better. One or two minor problems though I still see is that the ears are slightly too high up(they should fall under the brow line) and the neck is too simplified. You should have something like this. You're getting there anon, hang in there.

>>2792937
Basically the neck muscles attach to the space between your collarbone and the ear in a kind of V shape while the middle of the neck bulges out a little bit between them like a cylinder.

>>2787726
Here's something I drew from a couple threads ago. I made sure to slow down and make my line work more deliberate, but I don't think I'd consider this a completed study. What do you guys think?

>>2793105
I think the face you drew on her neck at the bottom symbolizes your crippling depression

>>2793105
This book really helped me. With the human head you need changes in value more than lines. It gives it a more natural look.

>>2793109
I don't normally draw this slowly, so I got jittery and doodled a bit lol. Pic related
>>2793111
Thank's, I'll check that out.

>>2792862
Much appreciated anon, actually it was all measured by eye, I have never seen tutorials nor been on drawing courses, only doubt I have is if manga style drawing uses same proportions as real life, I wasn't sure about the legs because on manga they seem to use very long legs as well as big heads, the girl is shampoo from ranma 1/2, she's supposed to be 16 so proportion should be somewhere between 7-7.5 heads?

>>2792893
Look, a shitter teaching a shitter.
Look, I'm a stinky weeb, but even i know drawing from life via studies will help more than attempting to draw anime from scratch
You require basic fundamentals to act as a foundation otherwise your house is gunna fall flat on its ass

>>2793132
Cool. :) once I tried using more sfumato style, my portrait studies looked a lot better. Unlearning lines is hard, but it really helps. I'm definitely still starting out, but little steps like that are really exciting. I also recommend looking at sketches and drawings of your favorite painter and copying them as much as you can. You get a much better feel of composition from the ground up than just the paintings.

>>2793144
That's why I told him to draw from Loomis. Don't be a cunt.

>>2793139
Yes, she'd be about 7.5 heads. If you look at the old stuff and the anime artists that are really good you'll find that almost all the figures are 8 heads tall with the navel being at 3 heads down and the waist 1 head down, otherwise for most other characters they'll be 7.5 heads or 6 heads for teen or child characters. Try measuring out the heads for all your figures, it only takes a minute of extra time and you'll thank yourself later. Occasionally do some by eye and try to match it up to your measured figures. Do this like 50 or so times and you should be able to see the amount of heads you need and if the proportions are wrong yourself
by eye

>>2793518
No, no he really shouldn't, learning to draw should be step one followed by how to draw a head if you want to draw heads.
Why not his 2 birds with one stone and bang out lots of photo studies?
Telling someone to Loomis isn't exactly helpful and can almost be counter productive.

>>2793144
The funny thing is that anon here looks like they actually knows their fundamentals pretty well. The reason why people tell you to draw from life realistically is because it forces you to master the fundamentals. However, just copying what you see isn't going to help you either if you don't understand the 3D forms or gesture. You'll get better as an artist much quicker if you understand what you're seeing in 3D space rather than just replicating what you see as closely as possible, even if you were to stylize it instead. Anon even told the guy who wanted to draw cute anime girls to not learn from him in one of his diagrams, but to learn from the actual source material instead. I'm pretty sure we all know that we should draw from life, it's just that we need help understanding what the fuck we're actually seeing. Don't talk shit when people give good advice and not give useful advice of your own.

>>2793683
Copying mindlessly isn't a photo study
It's a STUDY for a reason

>>2793681
>No, no he really shouldn't, learning to draw should be step one followed by how to draw a head if you want to draw heads.
>Tells someone to draw lots of heads before they learn fundamentals
You do realize you just proved my point right? You should learn how 3D shapes and gesture work before you simplify and draw the head. You can't kill 2 birds with one stone and just skip fundamentals by drawing from life. There's a REASON why fundamentals are called fundamentals. It's like you just said: You require basic fundamentals to act as a foundation otherwise your house is going fall flat. If you don't know how spheres, cylinders, or cubes work, how the fuck do you expect him to learn how to draw heads from photos? If you know how perspective works, if your know the basic forms of the face you can make a face from ANY angle, not just the exact angle on the photos. If he did what you're suggesting, he;d literally have to draw from thousands of different photo angles.

>>2793686
It's pretty hard to study something as complex as the human body when don't know what you're doing, especially if you don't even know what perspective is. Are you saying that simple geometric shapes are more confusing to beginners than trying to copy the entire human head in all of it's realistic complexity? That fucking mental

>>2793690
>>2793692
t. Amateurs

>>2793681
loomis is the answer to everything in /ic/. loomis killed my enemies. loomis cured my cancer. loomis saved my life. loomis is love, loomis life. loomis please, make love to me

>>2793705
>is on /ic/ /beg/ thread
>Gets booty blasted by other anons
>Calls people on /ic/ /beg/ amatuers
Top fucking kek

>>2793713
I guess you'd be one of those amateurs too right? Haha puny inferior artists kneel before me scum

>>2793722
Nah I'm just here for the art memes nigga

anyone knows a good book to get into charcoal? I just received a charcoal set as a gift and it looks awesome.

any manga with good fight choreography to study from? besides Dragon Ball?

critique on this?

>>2790036
>>2790018
Not going to make it

>>2790896
I like it! Some of it looks done very fast and poorly but over it looks good. Not sure how I feel about the composition, the tree seems too smack dab in the middle, taking away from the other small stuff that just seems to be there to take up space.

>>2792937
You're the fucking man anon, holy fuck.

Sorry for taking so long to reply, there are two beg threads, I thought this one was lost.

THANKS! Will give careful consideration of what you wrote.

>>2792937
SHIIIIIIIT I never thought about shading eyes to give that illusion of roundness, thanks anon!

Also you just remind me how important it is to understand basic human anatomy to know how to draw, I'm very grateful again.

>neck muscles connect to ear
>make ear a little bigger
>woman a little less jaw and eyebrows
>shade eyes to give illusion of sphere
>always remember to think about the planes of the face
>draw the part above the eye