/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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Do you like it?

>>2773021
*raises paw*
it's kind of wobbly..

>>2773021
2 sieg heils out of 10

>>2773021
loomis

I wasn't going to post this because it's babby's first drawing but I really like how it turned out. I was surprised how difficult it was in parts though, I nearly panicked when I got to the more detailed sections.

Are upside-down drawings worth doing regularly for a beginner and if so what kinds of pictures would be appropriate?

>>2773030
Literally anything upside down. It gets your mind more into the idea of what it means to not symbol draw, lest you end up drawing things like >>2773021

>>2773034
can you provide some examples of things. i dont really "draw things" i just practise exercises.

>>2773027
What is wrong whit my draw?

>>2773027
what book should I read?

>>2773034
Nice, i'll scout around for a few appropriate pictures then. Preferably ones that do't take over an hour like the Picasso.

>>2773041
STICKY

>>2773038
>Literally anything
>provide examples

?

first week of portraits instead of fruit

last is imagination

>>2773057
the imagination one is the worst out of those 4.

Tried to do something differently once..opinions?

>>2773062
no forms, boring placement, dull washed out look. you wouldn't even make it in a Dr Seuss special education edition

>>2772999

>>2773057
>>2773061
Hmm, I find my self disagreeing. The imaginative one has more expression and personality and I don't find it more fundamentally flawed then the other ones (it's just a tiny tad more stylised)

I can't figure out how mouths work, anyone have any good tips or tutorials?

>>2773121

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHHFhiyjXP4UT-yUo7pC13GQ

>>2773057
can you post the refs?

>>2773057
values are shit

are there any good resources on drawing rotated stuff in perspective?

>>2773169
Look up auxiliary perspective.

is it correct for >>2773193 to have been drawing basic drawing cuboids for so long?

i dont know what to practise

this is my first watercolor. I painted the girl first, then took a picture of her, then painted based off of the photo.

>when you realize drawing porn has its own merits in the fact that you get experience practicing unorthodox humanoid poses in comparison to if you were simply a vanilla artist

hmm,... perhaps I should weave in porn every now and then into my daily practice

>>2773199
It's good that Artist is developing a deep understanding of a form like that; there's very little you can't begin to construct with the bare-bones model as boxes

>>2772999

>>2773244
i think it might not be developing that understanding. if you just mindlessly ruler to the vanishing points then surely it doesnt do much?

i might be wrong, im asking.

>>2773169
Are those red lines supposed to be showing that the picture is badly drawn?

>>2773249
>>2773199
Hey man, I am >>2773193
I am not just drawing cubes for the sake of drawing cubes, rather I am using a really simple form, the cube, as a vehicle to learn more complex rules of perspective, well complex for me at least.

>>2773224
pretty good but could be easier to watch by outlining the girl more.

hi i made this this morning,it's my first try on krita my first try on """"digital painting""""" i am completly open for critiques of every type

serious question here.
how to make paintings from life looks like the Old Masters? I mean when I look at nowadays painting, it looks like something from Photoshop instant-effect plugins. What actually makes the Old Masters painting looks like "painting", at the same time, it looks so alive? Was it that era clothing? Or maybe the fashion?

similar question to >>2773304
but how do i get started painting? what are the fundamentals to learn when im trying to paint faces and figures?

>>2773304
The Renaissance technique was to "build up" colours from various constituents in thin, transparent washes. Most old master's paintings have that obsolete blending because they were very patient in securing many transparent glazes over the surface of the canvas, and paying attention to details they wanted to include at later stages of the layering.

They probably never used black; it might just be that the paintings originally had very high vibrance and by natural corrosion of the pigments it developed into brown, but nonetheless: if you're aiming for that sort of effect, try making all of your darker values not using a black colour, but by compiling red and a dark blue

>>2773244 speaking
I can't break out of symbol drawing completely and make very screwy proportions in most of my life studies; is there a way in which I can avoid this? Thank you in advance

Would really appreciate a Critique.

>>2773425
Nono that's good; well done. 3d but not to a degree greater than actual reality

There's poor hatching registry in relation to one another; if you want to do this in a study just in order to move fast and place some values then maybe it's not a problem, but if you wanted visual appeal then it does look a bit messy

I think the face and shoulders look a bit masculine because of all the sharp, non-sinuous edges.

Doodling is fun but I want to start drawing more realistic looking stuff

>>2773508
I'd like to let you know, from where I stand now: drawing more realistic stuff will be a painful journey to go on; it's not extreme amounts of unbearable mental trauma but it's frustrating and sometimes upsetting. If you want to pursue it you ought to consider having a strong motivational force at your back

>>2773153

>>2773061
tahts the idea

>>2773165
agreed, still wrapping my head around the concept of blocking in (and then still i'd shift values around in the sense that i didnt trust my own block-in)

>>2773448
The values are merging into one another (aside from the fact that your value range is so minimal). Quite unappealing.

>>2773408
If I were you I'd start with basic still life paintings. That way you get an idea of form and how to paint "into" the canvas. Human faces are too complex for something to start with.

>>2773535
Hmm idk maybe not then lol, I might just like the idea of it, but I'm still open to at least picking up a few things and not taking it vey seriously. drawing is just something to do when I'm bored but I want to get into making interesting stuff and eventually hand drawn album covers or crude posters/etc

>>2773884

I'd like to be able to create my own renditions of already existing fictional characters by the end of 2017. Is this a feasible goal if I stick with Loomis and practice drawing from real life?

At what point do the two cross each other? Will Loomis' proportionality help me in drawing real life things?

>>2773508
>>2773886
i mean theres a decent foundation here at least

>>2773916
>Loomis' proportionality
just read the book faggot

>>2773916
It seems daunting at first but just focus on practicing with Loomis. Don't over think it.

>>2773916
It's feasible. Draw irl a LOT and do lots of Loomis. Plus do studies as well.

Don't forget to take some time and draw what you like. Keeps you sane.

>>2773916
Oh and once you complete DOTRSOTB Loomis will be like a fresh new start.

Edward's exercises are not ment to be perfect. They are just to get you out of a symbol mindset. Loomis is where it's at my nigga.

hows my figure. i feel like the closer leg is a bit too low

>>2774027
it's shit, she's floating

>>2774038
thats a couch and theres going to be pillows. is the figure proportionate

>>2774041
You can be Loomis-tier proportionate but a stiff pose is always going to be ugly.

How often do you do gesture exercises?

>>2774056
shit you caught me, never. i basically learned gesture, then never used it. thats crazy that a lack of gesture can make a difference in how pose feels. ill try redrawing with gesture and see if it helps

Posting part of my portfolio. Am I any good?

^Sorry for poor image quality.

alright is this one looking any better

>>2774097
yes it is nigger, nice hand dodge

>>2774097
You haven't done gesture before. You think implementing it once and redrawing (however that'd work) would fix it. In reality, gesture is an entirely other beast on its own that takes weeks (if not months) to secure the core concept in your mind.

Not to mention the flat pose (regardless of pose dynamicism), chickenscratch, incorrect anatomy/proportion, and lack of 3D understanding.

You have a long way to go, and there's no other time to start than now:

Drawabox.com is a pretty good resource (regardless of what people say about it's author or subject matter) that is tailor-made for beginners to start grasping the fundamentals and what they mean.

A lot of people recommend Proko's gesture series as a good starting point but I think Hampton in his book (Figure Drawing Design and Invention) gives an approach to anatomy that is less daunting and a little more concise (and not as broad as Proko).

>>2773413
Spend more time measuring, pay more attention to how things actually look, and draw from life it makes observation easier in the long run.

send help

>>2773021
Nearly as bad as his art was.

>>2774142
inoperable

>>2774187
I was just about to post that you color it and it came out looking better than I expected. Blog?

>>2773251
No

>>2774188
thanks but sorry ;w;

>>2774107
>You haven't done gesture before.
yeah i have, i spend weeks on it. then i just didnt use, i dont draw figure that much

>Not to mention the flat pose (regardless of pose dynamicism), chickenscratch, incorrect anatomy/proportion, and lack of 3D understanding.

this guy>>2774107
seems to think it impoved. and kek im not actually dodging that hand draw, i just roughly sketched the sofa. ill check out hampton though, never really looked into his

>>2774218
crap meant >>2774105
for the second part

posting this just cause. im going to start drawabox now

>>2773251
It's to show how little knowledge of perspective a person has.

sned help

>>2774261
Is this you?

If it is, there's been no improvement since August. What exactly have you been studying (if anything)

>>2774275
not a whole lot of figure. ive been doing some heads? yes im that guy too

>>2774277
and this

>>2774279
did these from imagination. ive also played around a bit with gouache

here's the demo from lesson1 of figure on drawabox. i dont think have time to do the homework so ill just keep working on >>2774279
for a bit

>>2774279
some parts have high detail and others look like a blurry mess. consistency is key

>>2773001
Before I go forward, what's the most messed up part of my drawing so far?

>>2774358
reference?

>>2774367
Ref is >>2773001

>>2774358
under the eyebrows and chin should be the same value as under the nose. just my 2 cents

Scott Robertson stuff
Autodesk Sketchbook

Anyone knows a good book for anatomy?

I hope I can make this thing look decent. Any tips?

is it a bad idea to skip fun with a pencil by loomis and go to one of his more advanced books like successful drawing or is that a mistake?

>>2774277
Maybe this isn't your main priority right now, but later you should definitely look into colour theory. It looks very ugly when your shadows/highlights are just a darker/lighter version of the original colour. If you change them to a different tone your paintings will be much less gray and lifeless.

Can anyone recommend some other sources that teach the same things as drawabox, that can be found on CGpeers? Form and all that stuff. I've done the first parts of drawabox but somehow I can't bring myself to trust the guy, and I don't feel I have learned a lot so I would like to try a different teacher.

>>2774532
Dynamic sketching with Peter Han.

>>2774528
You should post work, hard to say without knowing what level you are at.

>>2774448
Anatomy for sculptors, you should be able to find it in the book thread.

"You should post work, hard to say without knowing what level you are at." Was meant for >>2774503

Someday I'll learn how to draw hair. Someday...

>>2774600
not anytime soon though

>>2774608
Maybe soon, if I find some time for this and some good tutorials. Unfortunately, I have not so much time for painting

>>2774608
Well that was rude for no reason.

go and draw galleons guys

>>2774681
>can't even draw boxes
>expects me to draw galleons

>>2774688
its just boxes with some ropes on
its fun, you can do it

>>2774080
>>2774080
Did you hand it in before it was annotated with "motherfucking pineapples man!" or afterwards?

Could I get some help?

>>2774500
I think cleaner lines might help your value placement be a bit less ambiguous; your theory looks stronger than your mechanical skills at the moment, so practicing the ghosting method might be for you

>>2774714

I don't really 'get' the "Pure Contour Drawing" (drawing the wrinkles in your hand while not looking at the paper) in DotRSotB and Edwards explanation didn't really help.

Is it useful? It seems like it could be a handy warm-up exercise if it is but I found myself going over bits that I had already done because I couldn't find enough wrinkles to draw in the five minutes.

>Trying to learn how to draw

:CURRENT STATUS: Stick Figures at Best

>Try out the Draw a Box reddit lessons
Ramps up in difficulty so quickly that i feed deflated as shit

I made a mistake going to reddit, help me out please. Lots of books/sources are mentioned here but whats actually the best order and starting point?

>>2774756
Read sticky.

>>2774762
In my experience the stickys shit

But saying that >>2774756 draw a box is even fucking worse

who should i start with on NMA to learn figure drawing? Vilppu?

>>2774766
The sticky gives you a starting point (get rid of symbol drawing and start to learn to draw what you actually see) and then gets you to move on to the specific skills you will need (constructions, anatomy, etc). What's your problem with it?

>>2774768
Try them all to be honest. Find the one you like.

>>2774698
I handed it in with it on there.

>>2774766
>>2774532
What is it that you guys dislike about DAB?

>>2774782
pajeet
reddit user
numale
still student
patreon
generally a bit shitty
no solid reasons but enough to be suspicious

>>2774782
I dont like him because as the other guy said the difficulty spikes and descriptions/actual teaching that accommodate them are retarded

>>2772999

fuk

>>2774789
i disagree, i think his methods of teaching are actually really good. he give you a bunch of exercises to train rather than just explaining concepts too.

i am >>2774784 btw

>>2774794
But as someone trying to learn with literally no skill it doesnt work, most of the people who go through his exercises on the subreddit are people who can already draw and want to improve

>>2774796
>you need to already be good to be good excuse

>>2773001

>>2774796
thats wrong

>>2774803
I literally went through the subreddit and the only people that go past exercise 1 are people that can already draw, hell a lot of people even show off by drawing random shit in the "homework" that shows this

>>2774808
Confirmation bias, look at those who suck instead of those who are good. Some people can't even draw straight lines.

>>2774808
thats just insecure reddit normies
it literally starts with drawing straight lines, thats the most basic thing you can do. then its fucking ovals then boxes and on from there.

its literally a ground up program. sounds like you have a mental hangup somewhere. consider killing yourself.

>>2774317
its not finished but the trees need a lot of work
>>2774528
true about the using same hue, im not bold enough to try playing with different colors. with that portrait i was just aiming for a properly constructed face and challenging myself a bit with the hair. i read james gurney color and light but its sort of hard to apply. i may been to read through it again.

>>2774800
i'd say the most jarring thing is how far apart the eyes are and how they aren't lined up

>>2774836
Snap, I keep doing that.
Thanks.

>>2774724
Well I don't have a tablet so it's a little difficult to properly do linework.

>>2774884
Oh god you're doing that with a mouse? It would probably be better to go traditional until you can afford a tablet then

>>2774884
Someone gift this anon a tablet for Christmas.

>>2774884
>using mouse
christ how do you people not want to drill your brains out

>>2774884
In your defense I couldn't tell. I thought you were going in with the binary pen tool.

having fun polishing this turd but ill go on with drawabox later tonight for reals

>>2774924
dude fuck off with drawabox, go read keys to drawing.

>>2774929
>dude fuck off with drawabox
desu i read through his first anatomy lesson and his head construction is weird. whats wrong with drawabox?

should be what else is wrong oops

oh and i probably shouldnt have to ask by this point buut.. d-does saying to read keys means its complete shit

>>2774924
Anon, you keep going forward with this drawing, but its been terrible since the start. Maybe instead of ignoring everyone's advice you should start over?

>>2774945
listen mate, sounds like you are searching for excuses not to get better. admit that you are bad and that you'll get better with practise and time. its your mindset.

>>2774945
It means that it doesn't look realistic at all. But I'm guessing you drew it from imagination. Take one of the reference photos posted in the beginning of the thread and try to copy that as accurately as possible. Then we'll see if you need Keys or not.

Hey guys

What is the best way to show art I've been doing here if I'm drawing on physical paper?

Take picture with my phone? Or is there a better way?

>>2774963
The best way is to use a scanner but I just use my phone.

>>2774948
like redraw it? the problem is im stupid, like i cant see the mistakes with this one. so if i redrew it id still just mess it up. i mean, i see a couple little things wrong with anatomy/construction like the hangarm shouldnt bend like that and the shoulder is 'in' to high and ive fixed that but i cant really see anything else except the torso might be a bit too long

>>2774956
well i know i suck, see above. i literally have a hard time seeing mistakes. i think most my mistakes are small?

with pic related i can confirm the torso bit, but thats an easy fix, just chop in half and slide her up or down. i literally cant see anything else though, every thing fits. elbows to navel, proper head sizes (except for the torso bit), similar porportions of limbs with foreshortening as needed (arm going on back of sofa, upper leg of leg hanging off). the torso is twisted in a way that makes since and the perspective seems right

>>2774960
>>2774960
yeah i did. can i chose my own? i dont like those. pic is the one i have in mind

>>2774963
>>2774966
I think there's scanner apps that you can get for your phone.

>>2774967
It's a very boring angle, the pose is kind of stiff and the colours are horrible. So yeah working on your fundamentals would be a good idea. If you do so you'll see yourself what's wrong with your image in a couple of months or so.

>>2774971
Sure. That's an incredibly ugly photo but that doesn't really matter. Go for it.

>>2774971
imo you should choose one with a wider range in values and do it in greyscale

>>2774976
im trying simpler poses because they're retard friendly. i cant even mange things closer the to above pic. pic related. whats wrong with that ref, you sound like a hater desu, also, i just picked colors from mine and that ref, and they are pretty similar, though ill acknowledge i dont have as much variety in my and i did concede earlier that i need to work on color theory

but the anatomy/contruction/ proportion mistakes are all minor?

anyways ill stop dragging this out. ill finish that and go do drawabox and keys

>>2774992
good idea this one maybe?>>2773007

Can someone help me?

I can only draw studies upside down I am incapable of looking at right right side up, not to say I am skilled, rather it seems like I can tackle it upside down but when you show me right side up I get anxious and draw from what I think it should be.

>>2774993
he means stop drawing figures because your pre-fundamental fundamental skills are at this point non-existent

>you sound like a hater

is this the attitude of someone who hasn't improved in like half a year lmao

>>2774993
There are watermarks all over the photo, she looks incredibly photoshopped and the light doesn't make it a very good reference. Just telling you so that you might be able to find better ones in the future. But yeah, do that.

>>2775001
blurry thumbnails
more practise

>>2775001
read keys to drawing.

>>2775001
Honestly everyone struggles with this in the very beginning. Have you read DOTRSOTB and Keys? If not, do so, otherwise just keep practicing. At some point something will probably click and you will realize how to start seeing the photo not as a combination of symbols but for what it really is, and be able to copy that down. Maybe try something dramatically lit like this, where you can't properly see the features and symbol draw them?

>>2775003
well i improved at stuff other than figure from imagination. i posted them above. i only said he was hater cause he said "boring pose" and "ugly ref" and the colors technically more correct than not but he said those are ugly too. like all opinion stuff.

> pre-fundamental fundamental skills are at this point non-existent

wtfff are pre fundamental skills

>>2775004
i guess thats true, i decided to use a ref from the thread.

i swear when i finish this ref you guys are going to understand how frustration my situation is. im like stuck between being super good at copying and blow ass balls at doing this from imagination

rate my creature thing:

http://sketchtoy.com/67726851

>>2775023
Looks very 3D. Nice job.

>>2775023
Looks somewhat 3d. Its ok.

>>2774973
Really. Thats pretty helpful.

>>2775012
>>2775014
Got it thank you

>>2775018
I appreciate the time you took to tell me this, I began recently but I was scared this was going to become a crutch I'm not expecting anything grandiose in my works.

I'll draw what you posted and post results, wish me luck. Again thank you for the help.

>>2775023
>http://sketchtoy.com/67726851
http://sketchtoy.com/67726851

:^)

>>2775020
Pre-fundamental skills are mechanical skills; how you actually control the object you're drawing with

>>2773001

>>2773002
>see errors
>don't know how to fix

:^^^^^^^)

>>2775065
like literally drawing? chickenscratch? oh well heres what ive got some far. im going to go have a breakfast sandwich for dinner and cry myself to sleep

>>2775087
Yes; everyone has to do it; it's the hurdle before Observation and Sight. It's not that important, but it can make your drawing look messy. Practice drawing a perfectly straight line with a ruler and then going over it 8 times for about 2 pages if you're worried about the strength of your lines, but you look like you'll be fine

>>2775096
>Practice drawing a perfectly straight line with a ruler and then going over it 8 times for about 2 pages if you're worried about the strength of your lines

what kind of autist actually does things like this wtf

>>2775086
It's not wrong, not too wrong.

>>2775100
>people who practice specific skills are autistic

here's your (You)

>>2775023
Wait, you actually draw?

>>2773001

>>2775047
anon you posted the same thing twice

>>2775128
yes but i will NEVER be good at it

>>2775023
>>2775159
3 D
D

I drew some concept art horns in an attempt to figure out which horn style I will use in some other concept art I'm working on. I still can't decide which option to choose, honestly.

Here's a fantasy vidya sword thing I drew to try and acquaint myself with illustrator. I think I fucked up on the shading quite a bit though.

>>2775193
I forgot to post the image

>>2775195
Nice, I like it. What other kind of work do you do?

>>2775197
Not much else. I like unrealistic fantasy stuff, but I've only ever really drawn weapons. I'm trying to ease my way into more "living" drawings, like monsters and robots and stuff, but truth be told, I just can't get the proportions right compared to what's in my head.

This little guy (the future owner of one of those horn designs up above) is one of the first few biological things I've drawn. The idea is that his tongue is a razor-sharp blade, and he can be wielded by someone when he sticks his tongue out.

>>2775195
I like the idea, but put that in black and white mode and see how shitty your values are. I can barely see shit. Push for darker darks and lighter lights.

>>2775180
top left is the uh... horniest.

>>2775215
Yeah, finding the right color for everything was a huge pain in the ass, considering the layering of different levels of transparency. I'd find a color that looked right at 100% opacity, but I'd kick that down to 70% and it would looked like shit, so I'd have to mix and match colors until I eventually found something that worked. I definitely should have been a bit more drastic with how I shaded the different planes though.

>>2775180
top left

Nice start >>2775087 !
I drew a face on it

>>2775087
It's better that we fail many times before achieving our goal. Without it: every victory of our intentions would be tremendously shallow. It's when we're feeling the most disheartened that we progress the most

Still a beginner working through the Edwards book, and going to go through the rest of the sticky. But also been copying stuff from youtube tutorials just to get an idea of the process and for fun.

Just curious as to why this turned out so bad even after basically copying it step by step. The original looked nice and painterly and my copy, as you can see, looks like she's a drug addict with some kind of skin disease.

I'm guessing the primary problem is that I haven't studied light, value and color theory yet, and I'm working my way towards that for sure. But I'm wondering if this isn't also partly an issue of simply sucking at using Photoshop as well. I had trouble basically just replicating a lot of the brush strokes and blending techniques he seemed to be using. Is it generally necessary to study photoshop tutorials at some point, or will all of those blending and color techniques come naturally by just practicing the fundamentals?

>>2775236
That didn't really work owing to the position of the neck; I tweaked it a bit

I can't blend well because MSPaint gets in the way of that

>>2775253
Hi Ahmed! Love our videos!

joking aside, underlying fundamentals that Ahmed understands but can't comunicate on videos are the difference between his piece and yours.

I'm not sure where to go from here. I feel like it's a muddy mess that isn't getting better.

>>2775275
commit more. increase the range of shadows and highlights. theres more than 5 shades of grey senpai

I'm brand new to this. Thoughts on my self portrait?

>>2775294
you're mildly autistic and you suffer with fetal alcohol syndrome.

>>2775297
Cool, it came out right then.

>>2774967
When shading don't just use a less saturated version of the same hue.
Try to think about whether you want warm or cool colours and adjust your shade from there.
Perspective is another huge problem in this drawing, try to study foreshortening.

What should I study to do better rendering,
any books?

>>2775307
Learn to draw first

>>2775308
..O..Ok

>>2775307
You're symbol drawing, senpai. Improve your fundamentals, rendering is fluff for later.

>>2775307
Is that Zoey Nixon?

>>2775433
reference

I would really appreciate some help, just starting out. How can I improve?

>>2775484
look for a reference

I'm trash, what do i need to work on?

Is there a limit to how many times I can post in threads like these? I like doing a bunch of prompts in one day but I don't wanna spam.

>>2774800

>>2775490
we need to go deeper

>>2775484
reading the sticky

ok

>>2775490

please post more

>>2775490
you're really handsome you should draw yourself more and please post it here

>>2775018
After all this time: dissapointment.

Any insight appreciated.

>>2775556
Suicide is your only option.

I'd tell you to uninstall "art" but thats not possible so just go ahead and put that where it belongs. I'll give you a hint:
>side by side with bold and brash

>>2775433
THICC

>>2775556
>2448x3264
why do you idiots keep posting giant shitty sketches?

>>2775556
Not sure if you're autistic-no wait, autists can actually draw from sight and have decent motor skills and most of all:
>>2775568
they can read

burn it.

what do you think of my proportions lads

>>2775556
would appreciate if someone would tell me what I'm doing wrong, so far I'm thinking eyes too big, don't know how to shade properly, everything seems out of proportion, need to practice not symbol drawing.

>>2775572
Dumbass

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>>2775591
wtf!
I come here for honest advice and that's what you giv eme
im going back to /r/art

>>2775603
wtf i love reddit now

>>2775572
Nice filter

>>2775589
They eyes are both exactly the same shape, which means you're not correctly measuring the angles in the face correctly. Try constructing a portrait using a ruler and plumb lines alone to begin with; you can turn it into soluble information later with the Asaro head

I posted this in the oil general already, but can I get some concrit on this acrylic?
I am legitimately unsure of where to post this.

>>2775634
Draw thread is the advised place to go.

>>2775634
Try posting it in the /draw/ thread; if only that you'll get more rounded critiques from artists that have fashioned themselves a good visual language

>>2773224
What kind of watercolors are you using? Pan or tube?
>dat period blood mandala

>>2775636
Thanks, budz, will do.

tfw a bunch of people way worse than you post in the /draw/ thread and a bunch of people way better than you post in the /beg/ thread

really confusing feeling desu

>>2775644
they're new to /ic shhh

>>2774097
She looks very uncomfortable. Dat perfectly straight spine.

>>2775087
It looks much better than your figures drawn from imagination. Maybe keys to drawing wouldn't help you a lot right now, but I would still recommend quickly running through the first chapters to make sure you understand the basic concepts of it. After that you should start working with form, do drawabox and maybe try Peter Han's dynamic sketching videos.

>>2775556
Yeah this is definitely classic symbol drawing. For example, her left eye is barely even visible in the reference, so why did you draw the whole thing? Just keep practicing anon, and try to use the measuring techniques he teaches in Keys.

>>2774027
There are a lot of issues with this beyond just stiffness. Even if there are pillows, the arm would never rest the way it does in relation to the couch. You don't have a good understanding of how forms sit on top of each other. If her arm is hanging off the side like that, it won't be directly straight up and down like that. It will be affect and pushed forward towards the viewer on the pillows.

I would suggest finding a reference for this particular piece. Also, just practice more figures in general.

>>2774279
This is probably the best thing you've posted thus far. I would just focus on drawing forms for people and bodies. Again, not to belabor the point, but Loomis and Hampton would greatly help your figures. Gestures are important.

>>2774317
> some parts have high detail and others look like a blurry mess. consistency is key

This isn't true. Although OP could work on their rendering, having consistent levels of detail throughout an image is distracting and actually compositionally bad. You want selective attention to detail for focal points.

>>2774358
Good job so far! I would say pay attention to proportions. You changed the angle of his head a bit, but I don't see an issue with that. You managed to maintain the features pretty consistently so whatev.

Payne's face is longer than you've drawn it. The nose is a bit short and there's not enough space between the nose and top lip. The chin is also slightly short. I like your linework and shading so far.

>>2774279
>>2775698
> consistency is bad compositionally
That paraphrase makes it sound bad, but yeah. The trick is in being aware of where you're putting the details. For instance, the path is the noisiest part of the image, but who wants to look at the dumb path? It only draws attention to the fact that it fails to convey distance.

>>2774791
Not a bad start. You've drawn her face at a slightly different angle than in the photo and aren't adjusting the features for it correctly. Try to stick with what you actually see.

Her face is turned farther to the side, it's almost profile view. The point of nose actually extends past her cheek very slightly. The lips are too protruding. The bottom lip especially should recede back a little more based on this image. (Loomis has a very good section on this in his drawing heads and hands book).

Remember to pay attention to facial planes.

>>2774993
Actually, there is a lot wrong with your images. Your poses are stiff and you don't understand how anatomy works. This isn't like one or two mistakes that can be explained away. Focus on just understanding figures and drawing from references until you get better.

Don't worry about finishing pieces. I wouldn't even start to think about color yet. That's a whole different ball game. Focus on getting at least having a basic understanding of figures and construction before moving onto color theory.

>>2775490
new meme?

too me a while but i finished it.

>>2772999
I slightly changed few things, not intentionally tho

>>2775572
i know exactly what this is from

>>2775856
is it JAV

>>2775859
yeah its like a lezdom prison thing. its pretty good
>>2775852
pretty good, jaw to neck connection needs further study. cheekbone needs refinement. the place where the nose meets the eye is really good.

i want to quit.

>>2775876
but if you do that you're Never Gonna Make It

>>2774782
>draw 500 boxes dude
>yeah you did it, alright now draw anything you want you should be good at it now.


It's shit tbqh, I preffer learning from books.

>>2775876
you're like 100x better than me please dont quit
or atleast transfer your powers over or something to me who still has motivation left

>>2774782
The course is a mess. A ton of mechanical exercises to start with that are not only extremely difficult for a beginner but barely beneficial.

The meat of the lessons is okay, but again, too advanced, and expects too much of a beginner. I doubt any beginner has done the course and seen results. Also, the last thing a beginner wants to do is repetitive mechanical exercises over and over again.

It's outright badly designed, unintuitive, not very helpful, and a chore at best to go through.

>>2772998

>> 2771891

> Gets made into thread thumbnail. Got no replies. kek

>>2775892
I heard you have to drink their semen to get their powers.

>>2775488
Proportions are the biggest issue I see.

How do i go about the line weight?

>>2775895
Accurate.


Someone needs to make DrawALoomis.

>>2775902
forgot pic

>>2775903
what would drawaloomis consist of?

>>2775906
After you read Fun with a pencil it offers some daily exercises where you draw some characters.
Maybe adding in some challenges, like "draw a surprised character, draw a sad character, etc"
Gradually working your way up to scenes with backgrounds and lighting.

Shit nigga I dont know, point is that drawing characters and doodling is way more interesting than drawing 98743 boxes.

>>2775908
>doodling
>not only ever practising exercises
>drawing for fun ever
not gonna make it

>>2775909
post your merc

>>2775909
If drawing isn't automatically fun for you no matter what, you will NEVER EVER make it.

>>2773001
this took longer than I'd like to admit, but it was fun.
any advice?

Is my anatomy correct?

How to value guys?
Any reccomendations?

>>2775926
Work on your eyes, there is still some form of symbol drawing.
The ear perspective is incorrect.
The nose is pointed downward too much + too long. You also missed the bump in his nose.
The dimple in his chin is too weak.
Mouth is too low.

Your shading needs work too.


Keep up the effort, you clearly have a solid idea of what you're doing. One piece of advice I can give you that helped me a lot is trying to view your drawings critically and forget it's something you made.
Not sure how to explain it. I guess, try not to get attached to a drawing, it makes you biased.


Keep it up.

>>2775928
if she is mutant with broken legs, of course.

>>2775928
Try to imagine a skeleton inside her, you can answer your own question.


Keep it up.

>>2775086
More precise hatching? You might also use the lines in hatching to describe the shape, i like to do that

>>2775933
thanks, that helps a lot.
I've only been drawing for about a month so I can't really pick these things out

>>2775556
Are you visually impaired? Do you have some rare disorder where your brain fabricates images that aren't there? You should probably see several specialists. That's my insight.

Old ugly shit yo

>>2774406
07

>>2775966
recommend me some better brush
i used kyle's one and it's ugly

>>2775876
Looks like Connor, but he doesn't have such nice ears.

>>2772998
Going to sound retarded but how I develop "taste"?
Sometimes I will find a picture on here or elsewhere and be impressed by it.
Then see it completely torn apart by the replies.
After reading their replies the errors / faults start standing out to me.
I'd like to be able to do that myself without relying on replies.

>>2775977
That's not even a matter of taste just having a distinguishing eye. That comes with experience, the more you experiment with the better you become at seeing flaws

I'm kind of unsure how to render this even further, is it even possible to archive the final result with only default brush? I tried rendering a tiny area at the bottom part of armor but it's still quite hard.

>>2775965
mike? why did you leave your containment thread?

>>2775999
Here's the tutorial I'm following, I changed certain area of the armor, feels like that makes it even harder to render. The demo ask to use colour dodge to add colour(pink hue) to lighted area, but I still more time with that tool because I don't have much experience it.

>>2775999
Yes, but use round HARD brush

>>2772998
just focused on the process 1.5hrs from croqiscafe photo archive.

doing gesture is exhausting and slowly killing me from the inside. what can i practise in the meantime to refresh myself

I'm getting close to finishing gurney's book on color and light, but there's a section of the subject it didn't go into deeper detail. I understand the basics of hue, and value changes now, but saturation remained a mystery for me. Any good readings on the subject?

>>2775904
bump?

this is hell

>>2775904
the features are not centered properly on the face. also the the neck doesn't attach properly to the skull.

>>2775904
Is this supposed to be a reaction image? In that case it's great.

I know this is retard level stuff to you all but I'm honestly impressed the progress I made from Loomi-thingy #1 and the last one.
Currently on page 18. So this will take a while.
Feel free to shit on my poor attempts, always looking to improve.

>>2776079
can you be more specific about features? Thanks.
>>2776083
Thanks.

I fell into problem most newfags have, i only sketch all that time (6 months) and complete like 1 pic, i cant understand how to make clean art look interesting, i know about lineweight but cant understand that i need ink more thicker and what thinner/

Growing up, I've always had a penchant for sketching (comic book / fantasy type stuff, mostly character drawings). I went into graphic design, and I've never been able to bridge the gap between sketching on pen and paper, and digital painting / rendering.

Professionally, I've been stuck doing layout, logo design, and other printshop minutiae (photoshop and inDesign). How do I start into doing "digital art'?

>>2776233
the features seem to stick out of the face at odd angles

>>2774890
Alright.
>>2774893
That would be wonderful anon.
>>2774896
I donno I just kind of try to make it happen.
>>2774908
Well, thanks I guess.

>>2775861
name?

Btw update. I just did this quickly cause I wasn't hope for a day.

is it just me or does jojos have a ton of technical errors?

>>2774884
If you cant afford it just buy one of those ergonomic pen mouse. It's much better than a normal mouse.

rate my bikey*

http://sketchtoy.com/67729894

(*disclaimer: i started off just drawing random shapes then was like 'this could be a bike handle')

>>2776370
But I can't control line weight with it?

>>2776370
>>2776379
Better to just save up for a cheap tablet if you ask me. I have an old bamboo and it works just fine, so just get the cheapest one from wacom. Shouldn't be too expensive.

>>2776370
draw upturned flathead pins on those shapes

i want you guys to tell me whats wrong with these lines, im starting from the basics up to see what im doing wrong.

im not a digital guy so i used my mouse but bare with it

...open fire!

'bout to throw my pc from the balcony and cut my right arm off (drawin with a mouse = huge pita), so I might just aswell post this
there is a reference, couldn't find it in this whim

next post will be the "cleaned" sketch for this shit - as in the point where I got rid of the reference image

WIP, which should be clear

>>2776393

>>2776394
How the fuck did you draw that with a mouse?

>>2776396

1px default brush with 12% opacity 0 hardness on 3750x7550 canvas
when getting the shapes close enough, duplicated layers to gain strength

>>2776406

* 4750x7550 as if it matters.....

>>2776406
Holy shit just get a freaking tablet

>>2776393
everything looks relatively good. very impressive for mouse but you really shouldnt be doing that. can you do face construction?

>>2776413

Nope, as you can see here.
I'm just trying to hide my inability to actually draw, since I lack the courage for trial n' error (read: practise)

>>2776416
i think you have potential.
1. stop using your mouse. do traditional or buy the shitty $50 wacom. this is actually important.
2. do some fundies
3. do loomis head construction

>>2776406
You nutter.

bump >>2776392

>>2776421

Thanks.

I've always wanted one, but my concerns are unfortunately on getting food over getting a wacom.

Will do 2. and 3.
I've gotta get my shit straight if I mean to do progress.

I'd also like input about the style and details, since I've been looking at it for ages now and as you know, "became blind" to it. Feels like nothing is coming out and fixing stuff feels like working.

...maybe I just need a break and another way to kill boredom

>>2776432
>way to kill boredom
fill out some captchas and buy the shitty $50 wacom

>>2776428

Well, at least the approach is original, eh?!
Never studied a thing, never practiced a thing. I've just been doing what I've been doing, as stupid as it may be. This is actually the first time posting anything to be publicly ridiculed so I'm very excited but very anxious. (Also pretty much the only posts I've ever made on 4chan)

>>2776439
you sound mad but also generally aesthetically pleasing

your drawing is ok too

do you live in a van?

>>2776432
Then do traditional, honestly. Doing that with a mouse must take such a long time, you're never going to be able to complete enough works to improve. Also you're going to destroy your hand.
Your works are good, although the one with the white haired woman has badly rendered hair and skin and in general incorrect facial structure. With some practice with the fundamentals however, especially form, you'll improve a lot I'm sure. If you would manage to invest in a tablet I'm sure you would in a few months of marketing yourself be able to earn money from art.

>>2776440

Not in a van at least!
Just generated a debt through long term substance abuse to cope with depression n' shit.

>>2776442

I guess I've gotta pick up the pencil. It takes ridiculous amounts of time, even though I say so myself, and I can feel the strain on my hand(s). Playing guitar sure doesn't help...

Thanks for the kind and encouraging words! I've gotta learn to live with failures. I used to draw traditionally ages ago, but went digital 'cause it's much more forgiving. Still takes from months to years to pick up a work and never seem to finish a thing.

bump >>2776392

>>2776491
stop that

>>2776493
hello friend, have you considered answering the question i posted?

>>2776498
read a book instead of tracing retardedly over photos

>>2776392
some of them are wrong in such obvious ways you must be trolling

>>2776508
nope, tell me.

>>2776521
what do I get in return?

>>2776531
the want to help others directly correlates with the want to help oneself.

>>2776534
leaveme alloooneee

>>2776535
but seriously, if there is something greatly wrong with some but not with others then its something im missing and i need to know.

>>2776537
too bad the thread is over its too late to help you now

Are there any tutorials on drawing asses?
It seems most of them are either informative or just BUMSXDDDD tutorials

>>2776543
i got you senpai

>>2775433
someone say something..

>>2776047
do a long pose(2-3 hrs)

>>2776624

Proportions. Maybe start with boxes or something.
Also, finding the hard lines helps you shade and thus brings up more form. Leaving out face will most likely leave you with a head with bad position, posture and proportions.

What comes to shading, for example the left breast looks twice as big as the right one.

>>2776000
Time to learn some new shit.

>>2776546
thx bae
have some ass

I'm an absolute beginner at this. I'm reading the sticky as much as I can. How does this look? Fuck my shit up as much as possible.