/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Hey OP, can you explain why you don't think it looks good? : )

>>2762734
Not OP, but the artist is getting too caught up small unimportant forms and the technique of outlining the cast shadow and blasting the core shadow. It's a formula that they are poorly applying to an area that doesn't need it, creating a bubbly weird deformed knee for no good reason.

>>2762732
yes they do it for practice, you should try it sometimes

light and value may be fucked, but the anatomy is on point

>>2762738
ahahahahahahahahaha kill yourself.

If you can draw anything remotely close to this and prove it, ill fucking shoot myself in the head and film it

>>2762738
the reason is to study and understand those small, unimportant forms you fucking genius. Obviously they wouldn't do it in a full figure drawing.

>>2762732
>>2762738
I dunno dude, either the guy decided he wanted to hang a charcoal drawing of a fucking knee on his wall, or he just wanted to fucking study those "unimportant forms" because they're actually fucking important, especially the knee which has so much anatomy going in and out of it

>>2762771
Started visiting /ic/ in '08.

This is why I still visit

>>2762866
Stopped caring in 92'.

This is why i still dont care.

>>2762771
lel

>>2762738
t. started two weeks ago but I watched some Sycra videos and I'm an expert

>>2762771
nice

>>2762732
>>2762738
Detail studies are a great practice, you know your figure drawing is getting decent when you can pose and render a seemingly boring part of the human body as if it was meant to be hung at a gallery.

>it's a /ic/ pretends a fine drawing is absolute crap because of nitpicking episode

>ITT /ic/ pretends to know what they're talking about

Knees fuck with me hardcore. For some reason I cannot draw them.

Guess I better just draw a bunch of knees.

>>2762930
post your knees

>>2762930

Knees are different in each person, like your fingerprints, on top of that the skin folds there when not bent, creating all sort of shapes.

>>2762917
>everyone in this board is stupid but me and i won't explain why

In a completely abstract sense, it's very aesthetically pleasing.

>>2762765
Looks like you're gonna have to kill yourself.

>>2763020

>>2763116
fucking kek'd hard man. damn

>>2763116
a weapon to surpass metal gear

>>2763116
Hory shit

>>2762738
kys

This is watts isn't it.

>>2762732
does that knee look like a guy trying to choke himself or is it just me.

>>2763116
This meme seriously never gets old.

>>2763116
lol

>>2762732
It looks pretty good.

I like the blown-out core shadow light reflections, really gives the form an appealing look.

>>2762771
>>2763020
>>2763116
you motherfuckers owe me a pair of sides

>>2763116
Learn to position legs you fucking faggot never gonna make it.

>>2763116
got me good

I wanna suck Watt's balls so he can teach me for free
>>2762771
>>2763116

>>2762732
are you retarded?

bet cash op's sphere of influence revolves around anime and shitty youtube artists

>>2763020
>>2763116
my fucking sides

>>2762771
legit kek

>>2766819
i would rather have ron lemen as my senpai tbqh

>>2768391
you take lemon I'll take Mark Westermoe

>>2768393
You take Mark Westermoe and I take Da Vinci xD!!!! I WIN LEL

>>2762734
Not OP, but let me give it a try:

>Red
There needs to be more material here. There is barely any space for a vastus medialis and a gracilis muscle there. With that fixed the slight cove would also make more sense

>Light blue
This structure either doesn't exist or is way over exaggerated. Maybe it's meant to be an adductor but those are never so pronounced.

>Yellow
This isn't wrong, but if you go into detail when drawing a knee you should really implement the muscles that can actually be visible. Medial you have the vastus medialis which dips slightly lower and is a bit larger than the lateral vastus lateralis muscle.

>Purple
These shadows don't really make sense coming from the same light source. Hard to put this into words.

>Blue
This doesn't exist. If it's supposed to be the medial condile of the tibia it's way too low.

>Green
With the shading the tibia appears to be bent far more than it should be.

>>2768487
Which sources did you learn this information from? This is by far the most informative post I've seen. I've made my way through Hampton and Loomis and looked at medical diagrams, but have yet to figure out how any of this actually gets applied practically.

>>2769392
It's all about knowing the 3D shapes. When you start learning to draw anatomy you start with very big shapes (legs as cylinders attached to cubes) and you work your way down to progressively smaller shapes. You just keep going for smaller shapes until it becomes pointless.

As for sources, pretty much the same as yours. For the small details you pretty much have to go for an anatomy atlas because there's no other source that covers those.
I do real life figure drawing, that helps too.

That said, it's pretty pointless. Nobody actually cares about those details. ITT with 40 posters nobody else pointed out those mistakes. What are the chances a non-artist would notice?

>>2769392
>>2769674
One more thing: A lot of the anatomy books for artists have small details wrong. So if you're starting out they're great. But for tiny details they're not reliable.

>>2769679
This holy fuck, I come from a scientific background and learned anatomy far before I learned how to draw and there's SO MUCH misinformation. You're better off just looking for good medical illustrations instead of Bridgman or Hampton

D:

>>2762771
>Not seeing a power ranger

>>2769674
>ITT with 40 posters nobody else pointed out those mistakes
Literally the second reply mentions the problems, it just doesn't specify it in detail.

>>2769699
any recommendations for books with good skeletal-muscular illustrations?

>>2768487
literally everything in this post is wrong except for blue

I'm >>2762738 and felt like trying to fix it according to me tastes...keep in mind I am very rusty on the anatomy of the knee and haven't studied it in years so might be a bit off in places, but I think the forms are more pleasant like this and slightly more accurate

It looks like there's a little face on the knee cap.

>>2770524
Looks like he's wearing one of those oldtimey white wigs too and has some jacket lapels

>>2770464
eh, I agree that his shadows are a little too blown out, but fuck man you watered down the line quality so much. It's like you took everclear and turned it into natty ice.

>>2770554
The lines are a stylistic flourish, the overpaint was meant to fix the structure and anatomy

>>2770563
you didn't really fix anything you just turned a quicksketch form study into a muddy rendering with poor edge control.
plus you can't fix anything if you don't have the model in front of you, just looking at the original i can guess who the model is, and i know that it is more accurate to what his knee looks like than your paintover

>>2770353
>filename
holy kek

>>2770464
Why are you doing that, that's a fucking life study

>>2770464
>felt like trying to fix it
You failed.

>>2770765
post your kneecap

>>2770464
.....firez is that you?

Rate my knee/10

I think my 2b favorite pencil ended in the fucking vacuum cleaner.

>>2770823
nice knee

>>2770823

>>2770831

Kneeds more Loomis

>>2762732
>>2762738

I'd be more worried about the poor construction/anatomy.

Is that a fucking left leg or a right leg? Ankle is broken. Knees are definitely not like that. There are fucking non-existant muscles on the thigh, and there's no apparent connection between this leg and a human body. Like... where the hell is the pelvis?

>>2770872
im more worried about your severe dunning kruger

>>2770872
I don't post on /ic/ anymore and I just came here to tell you that you're a retard haha

>>2770823
Nice proportion and shadow shapes,, but use broader value range. 0 to 8, right now its just 0 to 2

>>2768487
>Blue
In what fucking universe is that blue?That's fucking purple you retard.

>>2770941
>>2770951

>Lol dunning kruger
>lol retard xD

Way to go, you fucking showed him who's the real artist!

>>2770985
>makes blanket statements that are both wrong and retarded
>gets called a retard
where is the problem?

>>2771004
>makes blanket statements that are both wrong and retarded

If you take your time to shitpost, you'd take your time to explain why they're wrong.

>>2770769

>>2771008
>is that a left leg or right leg xD
you can't explain why they're wrong because they are retarded blanket statements and there are no actual specific arguments, only a very obvious lack of understanding and extreme stupidity

>>2763128
UNDERRATED

>>2763116
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>>2770852
HOLY SHIT

>>2763128
>>2771162
this

seriously screamed at the top of my lungs.

>>2763116
Fucking great, Anon. Had a good chuckle.