/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

So I just did the Igor upside down exercise from the sticky, how shit did I do?

>>2732682
flip it

>>2732688
Oh boy that looks worse than I thought.

>>2732689
>>2729202 download keys to drawing. Read it and do the exercises it offers. After that repeat the Igor upside down = see improvement.

>>2732700
Thanks anon, doing that now. Be back in a couple of days of practice!

>>2732682
Keep doing it. Don't worry about the actual figure, but the individual lines.

banana... bad blending, anyone have tips like when to use a hard or soft or less flowy brush?

>>2732712
though it was a real banana from the corner of my eye on the thumbnail. probably a good thing.

>>2732712
This is gonna be the next OP thumbnail.

help

differences between male and female ribcage?
best ribcage tutorial?

for how long should I be doing beginners exercises (lines, ellipses, drawing boxes, etc)?

>>2732770
>How long
Just move on to other stuff like perspective, drawing, etc. Keep doing them though, constantly do them.
You'll be doing them for a real long time actually, they are your fundamentals.

>>2732739
Looks kind of cool, let me just point out the most obvious flaws:

-forehead size and angle
-look at the shadow around his nose hole
-shape of the upper- and underlip are wrong
-pay attention to the area between his underlip and chin
-pay more attention to the angle of the ear, it determines the tilt of the head, its really importait
Doesn't look bad though, you are getting there.

which one is correct?

>>2732770
>>2732778
Just as the second anon said, study them along with other techniques, so you know if you have to practice something in particular.

>>2732786
Both, theyre in different perspectives

>>2732827
no they arent. they are both directly from the side.

>>2732786
See pic related

>>2732837
and this, 10 thousand hours in pain

>>2732670
>>2732671
>>2732672

>>2732665
How do you draw ergonomically? I keep leaning on my elbow and I'm pretty sure that's not how you're supposed to do it.

>>2732786

Depends on what you want to do. One is the entire rib cage as a single form and the other is a simplification into a box.

Ultimately you're going to want to be doing the actual rib cage, but the one of the right is a segue way into eventually understanding and doing the one on the left.

Some people use eggs, some bullet shaped cylinders, and others use boxes.

You're obviously doing the DAB lesson so you're aiming for simplification. Some people suggest at this point to just move onto Loomis or Hampton for figure drawing fundamentals. DAB isn't too great at people (the lessons, I mean. Not the artist himself) and the lessons gloss over the importance of gesture pretty dismissively.

>>2732786
the skelly is moving towards the pelvis whereas the drawing seems to be moving away from it creating more space for the belly.

That said the drawing exagerates the distances a bit too much imo

>>2732860
kinda looks like you drew will smith

>>2732770
One day, maybe keep doing quick exercises but you should move on to perspective/organic forms anymore then one day is wasting time

Waddup, brehs?

man this shit is so hard

>>2732912
The keyring clearly touches the metal part of the black key, but you didn't draw that.

Just under half the green key is visible behind the black key, but you drew it almost completely unobscured.

Metal parts of the keys are way to thin.

My longest deus vult ever.
And one shitty render more towards a not-so-shitty render.

>>2732786
the drawing's box simply left out the curve of the rib bones, if the left's rib cage got converted into a box then it would be near identical

>>2732912
might be good to try drawing from images first to enhance your drawing skills

a good way to make sure a drawing is accurate is to look at it side ways or upside down along with the image so you lose preconceptions of how the item should behave and observe only the shapes it makes

>>2732924
>>2732965

Yes I can often see many mistakes when I take picture and set it sideways to my drawing. I wish I could see it like that in life, since I wish to draw from life.

>>2732665
I'm sorry I never appreciated you before, anon.

>>2732990
well when you draw purely from life you aren't showing people the objects and letting them make the comparison so you do have some wiggle room for potential mistakes. really depends on what you are looking to do. Drawing from images makes it easier to find mistakes and improve accuracy, but drawing from life is usually more useful for other skills like understanding structure of objects.

What do you draw when you don't know what to draw

>>2732672
in my defence i should say i was drawing it from small smartphone screen

Critique me pls
1/4

>>2733010
2/4

>>2733012
3/4

>>2733014
4/4

Shitfaces, measuring is hard edition.

>>2733052
>everything is hard edition
fixed that for myself

..it's.. uh, something

been doing this for 10 minutes
roast me

>>2733063
The skulls are in completely different angles? Is it supposed to be so?

>>2733057
Yea, it's something, and not enough to really say anything about it. What's going on here? What are you trying to do?

Not gonna polish this turd anymore,

I just don't get it, i used the exact same color from the reference but it still doesn't look like the drawing has a Light source.
What am I not getting here?

>>2733065
I do not know really, tought You could tell me, that would be it.

>>2733067
not even gonna blend it...?

>>2733067
blend

>>2733067
>Not gonna polish this turd anymore
>anymore
You literally have no even done a proper block-in, let alone any polishing.

>>2733068
What is your objective in learning and drawing?

>>2732670
symboldrawing such is life

>>2733075
Did you read Keys to Drawing?

>>2733064
better?

>>2733079
I'm on it, but then an exercise called for a pepper but i dont have a pepper

>>2733084
Take a beat up potato or something equivalent

>>2733084
Don't let that stop you, >>2733086

>>2733081
Still at different angles, but better. Try layering them on top of eachother and note what is misalinged.

>>2732667

>>2733081
barely.

>>2733074
to git gud and make it

>>2733094
Okay. Well, if you wanna do shit like the one you posted, maybe download keys to drawing and do the exercises with insects and lizards. Study animals to make your own amalgations look better. Focus on what you see and how it works. Read the thread sticky.

>>2733081

>>2733088
>>2733092
>>2733104

>>2733108
Are you drawing the table its on or drawing it floating? If you're trying to draw it as it is with the table put in a line where the edge of the table is

>>2733114
i'm drawing it floating, i'll do the underside another time but i'm going to sleep for now

>>2733052
Anyone wanna give me some pointers on that? What's the biggest problem atm?

>>2733161
You're not really at a level to draw a photo that is at such an extreme angle like that and has such subtle value shifts. You drawing things wrong because you don't know what you are looking at, and you are putting hard lines where there shouldn't be any.

>>2733010
They're all great individualy, but its about style and you got none. all about style.....

>>2733052
>>2733161
The face is too low on the head.

>>2733067
play around with opacity so you can have some blended gradients of colors instead of cartoony cel shaded type shadows

>>2733217
like that.

>>2733010
>>2733012
>>2733014
>>2733016

Bumping these pls respond

>>2733274
That last sketch is good. the others kinda suck. Your use of paint is haphazard at best.

So I found a torrent with a ton of Vilppu video tutorials on it, ranging from specific body part anatomy to gestures. Which should I go through first? As well, is Vilppu considered an adequate beginner resource anyway?

>>2732939
Can someone help me there about rendering black armors

>was gonna write black metals

I want to learn some anatomy, where do I start?

My main problem with references is that I don't actually use them as references.

For this one I just looked at the picture >>2732670 and said to myself "he wears a top hat, a round nose and face, a moustache, and fallen eyes" and drew it, only looking at the reference every two minutes or so.

So, without comparing it to the reference, how is it?

>>2733284
Vilppu studio drawing manual. Go in order, draw along with him, and read along in the PDF. Spend real time practicing on each lesson. Highly recommended, he's the one that made gesture "click" for me

>>2733296
try drawing something other than a 3/4 view for once

>>2733303
Thanks anon, it seemed like good stuff, and I think this is going to be the thing that finally allows me to steadily immerse myself into drawing.

>>2733296
this looks really good, keep going

>>2733274
I like all of those except the first one

>>2733222
nice one

How'd I do, ic?

>>2733274
Get a thicker paper. Lined sheets suck ass. Try new material (charcoal, india ink).

>>2733360
The proportion arent perfect but its good enough. The texture seems too much " plastic". Not enoguh light for a grayscale drawing. Have you tried colors?

Anyone know a good guides or have any tips for light sources?

>>2733528
how to render by scott robertson
color and light by james gurney
you can find them in the art book thread.

>>2732666
checked

but I'll always be shit

Is 19 too late to start drawing? I don't want to make money from it, i just want to know how to draw on at least mediocre level. Thinking about buying Intuos Draw cause it's on sale in my country. I've been drawing when i was younger but I was shitty at it, but I was enjoying it. Now I'm thinking about therapy, but maybe drawing will help me to find the joy I've always wanted.

>>2732668

>>2733584
if the doctor didn't give you a pencil and paper straight out of your mother's vagina it's a lost cause, go take up knitting

>>2733584
Go for it!

First try at gesture drawing. What am I doing wrong? How do I improve these?

>>2733582
>>2733588
>but I'll always be shit
What's wrong with you people? Are you trying to come up with excuses to drop the ball later?
A quick improvement in your case is to drop the chickenscratch.

>>2733635
It's like they don't want to come off as arrogant and being resigned to calling themselves bad will ward off any flaming towards their art

If that's their style, more power to them but it's negative in terms of mentality

>>2733584
I'm 31 and started last year, buddy. You can start now or you can spend the next 10 years thinking about it and then start. good luck with your decision.

>>2733630
I see that you're trying to fix some lines there.
How long are you taking for each gesture?
Those should always be fast, like a minute fast.
If you make a mistake in one line, acknowledge that mistake and avoid doing it in the next one.

>>2733641
Two minutes each. I tried doing it faster but it was too difficult and I got the proportions all fucked up

Idk I feel like it's kinda decent, but it took me lots of fucking time to get to this point.

Also, yeah, I know the colors aren't quite there, I didn't want to colorpick.

>>2733663
good study anon, also its good to avoid colorpicking directly.

>>2733671
i know some really good artists who i think colourpick. is it so bad? it helps one understand sunlight and shadow does it not?

>>2733677
90% of art is experience through trial and error; if they colorpick it's because they've already trained the skill of choosing the right colors. Now they just don't want to waste time only to obtain something similiar to what they are copying/referencing.

And if they are doing fanarts, they likely colorpick to mantain the same color palette of the original.

>>2733680
if you want to learn about colors and light you should avoid colorpicking, cuz you need to try different colors, hues playing with saturation and values.

While drawing a study,
is it a bad practice to start with the facial features, and then draw the face outline?
it's easier for me to measure distance and angle between eyes, then nose, and then mouth cause they are closer to each other, and then when I have then I can more accurately copy the face outline

whereas when I would start with the outline, it always comes too short/long or crooked in general

>>2733641
>If you make a mistake in one line, acknowledge that mistake and avoid doing it in the next one.
is this the correct way to approach gesture? is this the correct way to approach most/all drawing? sources?

>>2733684
My point exactly. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

>>2733654
Forget about gesture drawing for now, you're getting ahead of yourself.

>>2733689
>need source
common sense breh

>>2733702
this isnt something that is objective. i think there are many different ways of looking at it. i wont trust the gut instinct of a novice.

>>2733686
the way people usually do it is draw the face shape before the facial features. it's useful when drawing from imagination. so yeah i'd recommend training yourself to draw from macro to micro. but if you're more comfortable doing it the other way around that's cool, nobody can tell you how to draw.

this was done upside down, I like this technique
yet I still fucked up ;//

>>2733713
what's with all the transgenders? trendy?

>>2733702
>Forget about gesture drawing for now, you're getting ahead of yourself
what should I do instead? I already went through keys to drawing

>>2732840
perspective on those is not bad, gj anon, but next time place the boxes on top of the pelvis and ribcage, I've been looking for a while at how that humerus enters in that box and how the others boxes don't make sense until I go what you meant with the arrows

>>2733689
For gesture, yeah.
You want to be fast doing gesture.
Any other work you obviously have to correct your mistakes during sketch before refining it.

>>2733723
Being a faggot is more 'normalized' so now these degenerates have come out of the woodwork to compete in the oppression olympics.

>>2733724
Your linework is shoddy, you need to work on that a lot more first.

>>2733723
>>2733732
it's a girl and a 10/10 for me

>>2733360
r u jazza

Here my anatomy exercises.

>>2733772
better than 100% of beginners here

>>2733772
What is the point of first image(stick figure) when it proves useless in the second one? I don't see how anyone could construct proper anatomical figure on that you drew without having an original reference to copy from. Apart from that, it's a good beginner drawing. I suggest you go further into analyzing what those stick figures are useful for, read Hampton for example.

>>2733783
thanks.

>>2733793
With the first one, I can guide myself to construct the torso and the hips and furthermore of that, allows me to have an idea to where I will draw the muscles.

by the way, to lear the muscles' location, I had to drawing the muscular sistem from an anatomy book and use Hogarth.

>>2733293
The skeleton

doesn't really fit this thread, but not sure where else to ask... I updated photoshop CC today, and since then I can't open up the quick selection for brushes anymore (the brush palette next to your cursor by right-clicking). Anyone got an idea how to fix this?

>>2733735
Worst r9k girl

What do you guys think of Ahmed Aldoori on YouTube?
He knows he's not a professional but he makes some informative videos

>>2733811
any book or videos you'd recommend?

is this cool?

I finished a reread of Fun with a Pencil and thanks to drawabox I think I've begun to understand how forms and construction work.

Where should I go next? Figure Drawing for What it's Worth was pretty complicated for me when I last read it.

>>2733584
Who was the name of that guy that went from shit to excellent within just a few years at his 30s? I forget his name but he used to post here

first time painting an environment from imagination, how do i make the colors look more dynamic? know for a fact objects reflect the colors of objects around it but not sure how to approach it

>>2733584
if you want to draw at an ok level then just make sure you are going to be content with it. being an artist comes with a lot of self reflection and feeling inadequate in order to improve, sometimes its hard to get to a point where you are personally satisfied and at the same time can be viewed as decent

>>2733919
I think you should start with not using this ugly texture

Hey guys. Wut u think?

>>2733772
>step 1: 2D boxes
>step 2: just instantly add the entire anatomy. lol what you can't do that?
>step 3: profit

You aren't a beginner. Congrats, but leave.

>>2732739
I enjoyed watching it, I even returned like thre times just to watch it again.

>>2733949

the bottle is really lazy but I guess it's irrelevant. Hand on left is poorly measured but the construction is coming along. Thump tampers really incorrectly in both hands. the area between the thumb and index finger in the right hand seems like it was totally an afterthought.

Keep drawing but pay more attention.

>>2732860
Man I feel this so empty, you aren't bad at drawing, but you lack the sensitivity just sit down and think what is it about this pictures you are drawing that makes you feel amazed.

The look on their eyes is lifeless, I can't relate myself to those on your drawing.

Example:

The ladie is looking up expressionless, but her look is so powerful you know, she seems to be watching a god, but she watches fearless, expressionless, she is not afraid. I could talk all day long about my perspective of this image.

The lady on your drawing is watching up too, but is her expression tells me she's kind of bored, looking deeply in to the nothing, she doesn't have an expression but she reflects....

well... I can't tell

Try to not just improve your skills but your sensitivity to the details, it's all in the details

>>2733006
I like it, I was telling the other guy how he was talented but lack the sensitivity, I can feel this image, she's alive.

good work

>>2733010

I will.

This drawing and I say this because anyone can tell this is not your drawing, this is a drawing without an owner. it seems like the archetype of art.

and what is an archetype, for the curious

it's an structure that we all know but everyone transform it from their own perspective.

(for people really curious on archetypes, investigate Carl Jung, Sigmund Freud's colleague)

You visualize this "style" as artistic. It's seems like one of those drawings you see in a galery but you know it doesn't belong in there. You aren't creating anything you are trying to imitate what you see on art, but art is an extension of your original self. Please don't try to be an artist, just express your own originality on every piece you ever paint

>>2733859
y

thoughts?

>>2733012
>>2733014
>>2733016

I can see you are working on your style here, but sometimes I feel like you try to be "artistic", just stop man, you are kind of getting in to yourself, you are kind of original, but you return to the void somehow.

I want to see the real you in your drawings. Maybe if you stopped watching art for a while and just focus on your own personal talent, you will start to grow as an artist and stop looking for one outside of you

>>2733970

too window-ey

>>2733075
Don't even try this picture man, it's pretty obvious you barely have any idea what forms are.

Back to the basics, or you will never improve

>>2733970
the human figure is flat and has no light rays on it. looks very very bad. the window how ever is very good and sop is the lighting.

and also there is too much empty space. it really is not needed.

>>2733977
>too window-ey

just don't bother giving any feedback m8.

>>2733663
keep going I want to see how you finish this :D

>>2731856

Thanks Bruh.

>>2733970

>>2733956
Can u show me wuts wrong with the right hand? I know somethings wrong but i really can't figure it out

can you comment on this composition? Im working with saturation for the first time, but I think I'm just realizing that I shouldn't shade the cloud with dark gray, but maybe baby blue or baby pink?

Could anyone please Critique this?

oh, fuck
what went wrong ic?

Is there an order to loomis, do you recommend that I start with 'fun with a pencil' or can I jump straight into figure drawing?

>>2734106
You could shade the clouds with a pastel pink, blue or yellow, it depends on where the reflections of the sky, sun, and the girl's clothes are.

>>2734126
nothing, looks pretty good picasso

>>2734133
thanks lad.
i feel like i should've checked things were aligned and figured out a way to scale the head better.

>>2733950
it's sarcasm?
Well, in fact I had to study the human anatomy for a three days until lear where are the muscles, or the majority of it.

I sketched this one before to learn the muscle's correct distribution.

But yes, I draw since years.

I'm an artist, but I don't know how to draw, I'm more interested in very original or deeply personal art, even the most simple sketch shows a lot about people

I feel empty now that I shared my opinion with you guys with no feedback, would you mine to tell me if you are reading my reviews? so I motivate myself to keep doing it some more.


I know I shouldn't feel like this, I just can't help it

I hope my sincerity won't fall victim of insults


My opinions:

>>2733979
>>2733958
>>2733951

>>2733966
this one is mine too (the opinion I mean)

Can I learn to draw figures with muscle memory if I mass produce reference drawings of different poses?

>>2733713
eliza show us your teeth

I mean mass drawing from reference will help, but its better to just think of your figures doing things. We see humans everyday so its not that hard to come up with poses in your head, thinking of the figure as a collection of simple 3d shapes alse helps.

>>2734147
I don't post my art but I also crit. Your contributions are appreciated anon. You could improve your crits by saying something more constructive than 'improve your skills'; like 'work on values', or 'your forms need work'.

Beginner thread is less about expression and more about getting technical fundamentals down.

Still, acknowledgement of crits would be nice. Even if it's just 'thanks critbro'.

>>2734191
I don't see how I can implement correct values and proportion using just my imagination

>>2734147
>I don't know how to draw

you also don't know how this works. The point here is that beginners post their work and then experienced or more skilled people (not beginners) give critique to help the beginners.

But a lot of beginners, such as yourself, somehow believe THEY should give crit to other beginners. What happens is that they give bad and distorted advice, because they don't know what the fuck they're talking about, and the whole thing goes to shit because you can't tell if your post is being critiqued by senpai or a total amateur with no idea that he's misleading you and everyone else reading his bullshit.

>>2734147

>I'm an artist but I don't know how to draw

yeah and I'm a US Marine but I don't know how to use a gun


For me, until I won't achieve perfection in my art or at least validation on the famous art critic forum /ic/, I will never call myself an artist. I'm but a guy that tries to draw. I think you have to earn being called an artist. And always look critically at your work. I think my drawings are shit and I wanna get better, I wanna become an artist

>>2734151
no. drawing isn't a physical skill, it's a mental exercise. if you're not thinking about what you're putting down on paper, you're not really learning. it wouldn't hurt to do a fuckton of drawings from reference though. just keep trucking because it takes a LOT of practice and study to be able to draw poses from your imagination.

>>2734224
>>2734233

Thank you very much for your time and honest opinions, I tried to help by sharing what I do know about art in general, tried telling you that art isn't just about technique and if you just try to improve your skills but not your sensitivity towards art, is not going to be soulful in my humble opinion.

Sorry if I sound like a jerk, that wasn't my objective at all, but I guess you guys are right and I'll take my opinion somewhere else

>>2733979
>>2734147
the word basics are thrown around a lot, but i dont quite understand it. What specifically am i supposed to do.

I do appreciate your reply though.

>>2734242

What I meant was that your drawing is kind of formless, a form for instance could be a sphere or a square in the most basic form, if you try to see the drawing as an structure for this forms, you'll have an easier time visualizing where the lements go, like nose and the eyes, Also when you are shading it'll be easier, take the tip of the nose as example, it's an sphere, if you think it that way it's easier to just shade an sphere that a single nose, knowing that there aren't tow identicals noses in this world

>>2734241
you don't sound like a jerk, but really this forum isn't the place to cultivate aesthetics, it's a place to learn drawing technique. Generally speaking, ofc.

you can voice your opinions on finished works imo, but us beginners don't need those kind of curve-balls this early in the game.

>>2734245

Oh i guess I got you wrong the first time, I finally got your point and I agree with you now that you put it that way.

you guys don't need my kind of opinion because you just see this as drawing, not art at all. my bad I guess, I'm new on this board and this was the only thread where I saw real interest in art, too bad it was just an ilusion of my excitement

>>2734244

This typos are driving me nuts, why do I fail so much

>>2734147
>>2734241
you don't have to be an artist to critique art. but you are completely on the wrong thread to be giving feedback my dude. beginner thread is more about technique, not interpretation. we're not saying that the 'soul' of art isn't important, but without technique we wouldn't be able to communicate anything. it's cool, you don't need to apologize for trying to start a conversation about art. i hope you don't get discouraged and keep drawing.

>>2734248
no, problem buddy. if its art you're looking for you've come to the wrong place that's for sure. but thanks for stopping by though! goodbye

>>2734212
My bad, i assumed you meant that you had trouble inventing poses. When it comes to proportion i think grinding reference would actually help. It sounds like youre trying to tackle too many skills in one figure drawing. Try focusing on say 2 skills (like anatomy and proportion) everytime you practice till youre comfortable and THEN start polishing over that understanding.

i made this fierce warrior . he will destroy anything in his way.

>>2733981

>: ^)

This is a really dumb question but how important is it to really "see" what we're looking at? If I'm drawing a model and I'm purely focusing on lines and contours will that help me internalize how the human figure works or am I just photocopying what's in front of me?

I'm going through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and I can't wrap my head around how this process will help me fully UNDERSTAND my subject.

>>2734372
Sometimes photocopying what you see is enough for some people. Following Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain will help you do that, but it's real purpose is to gain an understanding of what symbol drawing is and develop an eye for measuring values/distances/proportions/etc.

The next step after washing the symbols out of your brain is to replace them with 3d forms, and you construct using those symbols instead (cubes/spheres,cylinders/etc).

>>2734372
I've heard people say this is the go to book when learning to draw, but I'd rather practise instead of read a book. Mind giving me a short explanation of what drawing on the right side of the brain actually means?
I've given it a skim and found that there's many exercises, will these exercises improve my art skill even though I'm not taking in how they'll help me improve?

>>2734372
Here's my derp'd advice: If you copy lines you learn to copy lines good. If you look at something, then try to draw it without looking you learn the form of that thing.
Or rather, you learn what you don't know about the form of that thing. (when you see what about it you fuck'd up). Then you can look again, and study what you now know you didn't know.

>>2732689
Kek. It's better than mine was.

>>2732739
The upper and lower maxilla are far too protruded. Your painting makes it look like he has an ante face.

>>2732990
You lines are too fuzzy. Work with fluid lines.

Does bargue method improve drawing without reference?

thoughts? also requesting some perspective help on the guys laying on the ground

>>2733966
>>2733971
I agree with you.
3 out of 4 of the drawings are studies of works by Picssso/Cezanne. In my defense, Picssso's early work was very derivative (he took a lot of inspiration from Toulouse-Lautrec). I'm doing the same and establishing some aesthetic understanding before I move on to my own original work. I'm trying to learn from the masters.
I do understand what you're saying though, and it's time for me to move on. I want to create truly original work.

>>2734601
Is that Terrorblade? Looks dope. First glance at the feet makes me think they'e a little small, if that's a creep on the left he looks like he'd be around the same height as tb if he stood up. Not exactly a fan of the texture on the weapons but that's a personal thing.

>>2733962
thanks for motivation bruh ;^)

Guys, can i get a good hand/feet refferences? Do you just find them on google image search or where you get this good ass quality refs that are made to be drawn

>>2734632
quickposes

First time ever posting on this board, so please let me know if I'm breaching board etiquette here, but can I have some feedback on this? Its the first environment piece I feel god about values-wise

>>2734650
*good

>>2733584
it's never too late
Wasn't Gaugin around 19 when he got interested in painting? Or maybe even older. Van Gogh started studying painting when he was 27, I think, but he studied a bit of drawing in school when he was around 13.

So don't worry about being 19, also if you enjoy drawing and will draw a lot you'll get better. I'm not good at drawing, I started getting into more seriously month or two ago, (I tried in the summer, started with drawabox and copying some postcards, but stopped), but I really enjoy drawing and painting. It may sound cliche, but it isn't the destination that matters, i.e gettin gud or painting a beautiful painting, but the journey, i.e the act of painting or drawing itself. And if you enjoy it, you'll continue to do it, and eventually you'll get good.

Hijacking this thread.

I'm wondering, why aren't people creating their own threads to post their own art in much like sketchbooks on conceptart.org? Wouldn't it be a good motivation for people to post daily so their thread doesn't die? Critique would also be more personal and we'd all get to know each other a little better.

>>2734661
Not enough space within ten pages. /ic/ isn't just about drawing itself, there's a lot of discussion of business and various styles of art. You can shill yourself in the ad thread, you don't need your own.

>>2734661
there is a drawthread for it, and there would be too many threads.
General threads are better for it, because you can post your art, critique others, ask question and you don't have to monitor a lot of threads.

>>2732670
is it bad this took me 90 minutes?
the preliminary sketch i did took like 10, i drew the lines in 30 ish and then spent the rest of the time fixing the weird proportions I got from my sketch. also I'm relatively new to digital art

what can I do to improve, and would learning to paint digitally help me so I don't have to do all these lines?

>>2734661
At least 40-60 active artists, probably closer to 80-90, there's just not enough space.

The LAS and the draw threads do nicely. Post regularly and people recognize your stuff anyway.

anyone got Rapid Viz by Kurt Hanks and Larry Belliston? 8ch doesnt have it.

thoughts?

>>2734761
loomis

>>2734761
Slowly construct your image, don't dive right in. Your study is comically thin compared to the ref.

Don't be afraid to just slice things off the picture if they fall outside your canvas.

being a beginner is suffering

the first 100 pages or so of that Drawing with The Right Side of the Brain book are absolute bollocks. Why is this shit recommended reading?

how do i get started senpai

>>2734793
It's a good book if you have no natural talent.

>>2734802
do drawabox (its surprisingly amazing)
read loomis halfway through it
read the sticky and some other books
then just go for shit.

How did I do :(((

>>2734761

Be more patient and precise. You have typical beginner mistakes: your proportions are off and are getting more and more fucked up as you draw.

To keep proportions in check divide your ref accordingly and orient towards points and lines of interest.
You drew face from profile while in truth camera lens is more up and not completely to the side.

See my example: I drew one line from the corner of the lips to the beginning of the brow and another one from the chin to the bottom of the nose.

If you copy those lines on your drawing, you see that while distances from those points of interests are more or less the same, your chin is a lot lower than the corner of the mouth while it should be at the same level: this disfigures your nose.

Moreover see the distance horizontally between red and blue line - it's much smaller on reference while it is 30%-50% on your drawing.

Notice points of interests and keep those proportions. It's incredibly important when you do face because even small deviations can make your drawing/painting a lot worse (or better).

>>2734818

Oh and sorry, pic related. Btw, I'm a n00b like yourself, but this approach "just werks".

>>2734763
What loomis?

>JAV gravure photoshoot albums
>thousands of references that are cute + lewd in cute + lewd poses
>thanks to fetishes, poses and shots available that focus on all bodyparts.
its a good feel lads

>>2734676
Measure twice, cut once.

>>2734793
the exercises are good, the book is mostly pseudoscience

who actually started from the fundamentals the very first time they tried drawing instead of drawing till tumblr tier

Some critique would be nice

Wop

>>2734808

update
plis rispond

>>2734876
trap or not?

>>2734824
wanna share?

Tell me /ic/, how bad is it?

and yes I am aware of the shit quality but I didn't have time to take a better photo

>>2734857
he looked very emaciated, try shading a bit lighter

>>2734895
tumblr tier

>>2734896
ment for >>2734893

>>2734878
I'd still bang either way

>>2734904
of course

>>2734895
I've heard several people say that it's good to make your darks darker and your lights lighter, maybe that's for stylised drawings and not realism, idk

Hands,

Clip Studio

Hands

Clip Studio

>>2734912
DELET THIS

>>2734824
>>2734892
Seconding, give us a link or something.

>>2734896
fair enough

my main inspo is classic Disney tho

>>2734929
literally any jav photoshoot

>>2734763
>>2734767
>>2734818
thanks senpai

>>2734857
I also gave this one an attempt, tried to focus on getting the shapes of his face right.

Few years ago i got about ten years old drawing "tablet" for free that i tried to draw with and it was absolutely horrible experience. Now i'm considering buying some wacom sub 200$ tablet. My question is: is it going to be as horrible as the tablet that i tried or is it fine for beginner. I don't wan't to get traumatized again by some shitty tablet.

Is it normal to have an extremely hard time with Fun with a pencil? All of my loomis blooks turn out horribly disfigured and shit.

I'm absolutely trash at drawing from imagination. I can copy from real life and photos thanks to Keys to Drawing but once I don't have an exact reference, even my stick figures look horrible. Is there anything at all I can do about this? This is so fucking fustrating.

>>2734876
sweet jesus more of the cutie.

You're going too broad and heavy on the values (your ears, bags, lips, pupils, eyebrows etc are not that dark) and you're symbol drawing too.

>>2734901
some funi business going on in there
focus on the important things like values and edges first instead of fancy brush work

>>2734983
you should take your own advice. you've disregarded the form in the original and erased the facial structure so it's a featureless egg-blob of a head.

>>2734983
>>2734986
how do I achieve this gray scale painting style?
I have sai, whats the process?

please respond I really want to learn to paint

>>2734983
you fucked up her ear even worse

>>2734986
>>2734991

form and facial structure isnt what i was even talking about. his values r all over the place and im pretty he might have refd this. so i did't feel the need to fix structure...

>>2734998

but you made her skin look like glass

>>2734998
you're not that much better than him though. you improved the lips and smoothed out the skin, but that's all.

>>2734998
his values aren't even bad, just unrefined. and yeah, he almost certainly ref'd it, which is why his looks better and why you shouldn't have attempted to correct it without seeing it. sorry dude, but your correction is more harmful than helpful.

I’m making a drawing with the pose on the left, some stuff in the foreground will cover the rest, but I still want to know what the full body would like if it were showing. a red line would be nice..

critique please

>figure drawing
>got proportions down to a t, it looks great
>time to fill it in
>can't draw a face that doesn't look grotesque or cartoony

why is the face so fucking problematic?

>>2735030
lots of small details and proportions

>>2735005
>>2735002
not even sure what the fuss is about, if u think tis so off why dont u get off your high horse and fix it then

>>2734954
Know a good place for those? Nyaa? Spoonfeed me plz.

>>2735035
can't redline someone's fragile ego

if i could give you all advice it would be to finish your fucking drawings

stop being afraid to lay the graphite down on the paper. GO DARK. its like you're afraid of intricate details like corners of eyes and hair and ears.

how should we know if its good or bad if its not finished yet?

>>2735045
wow you sure showed me, beginner.

>>2734983
>>2734998
How do you render like on the right? I try soft brush and still can't achieve.

>>2735048
What if the reference is really light? Should I still go dark for practises sake?

Be rough

>>2734962
Midface is too long and lower third is too short.

>>2732673

>tfw not magical power that'd make you draw better

>>2735082

The other guy here, but it's just an illusion of light. Also you will often notice opposite problem - you can't really go dark dark like IRL. There's just no black like that.

Getting darker is better, you can always brighten the drawing or painting (unless you use watercolor but none of you fucks can) if you really need, but getting too light will just confuse you and won't be accurate.

>>2735099
There's the rarest, most magical power out there, more valuable than unicorn farts. It's called patience.
Also, try not to rely on artstyle, try drawing the real thing and pay attention to what makes the part you're trying to draw look like the part you're trying to draw.

>>2735099
Lmao

>>2735094
Now that you say that I see it, thanks

what you guys think?
ignore his pose on the last scene, thanks

>>2735030
your brain is highly attuned to faces so it notices very minor flaws

>>2735127

You need perspective and foreshortening, to start. Your figures and your backgrounds look flat as hell.

>>2735127
Want to re-read the sticky or bite the pillow?

>>2735131
is it about the size? sorry, dude. not happening again.

>>2735129
you're damn right \:
i'm into loomies right now, trying to improve

>>2735130
you're damn right \
i'm into loomies right now, trying to improve

>>2735129
>>2735133
wrong quote, sry

>>2735133
>>2735136
Go home lil nigga
u drunk

so i did this sonic oc pretty fast coz its sonic and cool and awesome so what you think about my sonic oc :^)

>>2732667
What do you think of my construction method?

>>2735190
The finished pic

>>2735192
>finished
>>>/n/ipples no eyes

>>2735048
>>2735048
>>2735048
>>2735048
>>2735048
>>2735048

>>2735198
Mate, it's just a pose study. And the reason I did it was to know if I was doing the construction correctly.

I might shade it later though

Would appreciate if someone could Critique my drawing.
>>2732670

>>2735036
4chanorg /jp/jav
ehentai has tons of images
javlibrary
etc

>tfw its finally clicking

some sketches I made on my way home from work

>>2735212
Good, you have almost no symbol drawing. The main problem here is the chicken scratching, and measuring. The nose bridge is really small too

Any guide for inking digital art? my sketches are getting decent but the lineart is trash

>>2735409
>>2735409
>>2735409

NEW THREAD

>>2735409
>>2735409
>>2735409

>>2735232
arigatou fampai

>>2733067
Notice the red lines and the angles that they're at or the shapes that they make.

>>2733360
G'day ladies and gentlemen welcome to draw with jazza