/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

how do you screw up at making a draw thread this bigly?

>>2720163
whats wrong

soft bump

>>2720171

>>2720144
Used to draw in highschool. Trying to get back in it. Thoughts? Should I just quit Or is there something there worth refining?

Drew it today

>>2720439
Actual room for reference

>>2720440
This is the effect I want tho...like a lonely room with the tv screen glowing

>>2720439
>>2720440
>>2720441
I can't never tell when it's a troll or someone really new.
Anyway, in case you're serious, go learn perspective. Seriously, ignore whatever people here say about sticky and Loomis and GO LEARN PERSPECTIVE.

>>2720463
Troll pretend to be new lol trust me I come from another board. I drew it in less than 20 just to see it on paper. I can photocopy it but This time I tried drawing from memory as much as possible. Besides perspective how do you feel about the content and would it look good if well executed (perspective included, asshole lol)

>>2720479
>lol
kys

Some studies, trying to get into pen sketching.

>>2720581
cool af, show mo!!!

>>2720597
Thanks! there's not a whole lot more to show right now.
people have been commenting that my line quality is pretty bad so I hope to combat that with a pen. There are many failed ones.

>>2720604
with a normal pen like a human?
they are pretty awesome, the otter´s face still needs more i would say. Cool job!

K

why are there always 3 fuckin draw threads up lately, and they're all dead

>>2720983
I only see two but I think it's cause people fuck up the OPs so people make new threads.

>>2720975
>symbol drawing
>fuq'd proportions
>placeholders
you're not even trying, are you...

>>2721062
>symbol drawing
Do you even know what symbol drawing is? Stop spouting memes. His proportions are fucked but he's not symbol drawing. If you have nothing helpful to say then don't respond instead of giving misleading crits and wasting everyone's time.

>>2720581
>>2720604

I like these, anon.

How do you add the tone? Diluted ink with a brush, or do you have a different method?

>>2721100
Yea I just go over the lines with a wet brush, its really quick and fun.

any crit?

>>2721137
Finish rendering, is it sitting on a sloped surface?

>>2721140
No I don't think it is. ref is here >>2717289

>>2721099
>>2720975
You're right it's not symbol drawing but don't samefag, it's cringy af.

Drawing from museum-tier sculpture is always so rewarding. Too bad I got hungry and left

>>2721187
>unwilling to starve for your art
NOT! GONNA! MAKE IT!

>>2721187
*without finishing

>>2721188
>implying artists really have a choice when there is no food available

why do we have 2 draw threads?

>>2721193
This is the original thread,

Other thread's OP "Grant" decided to just copy and paste a new one for some reason,

I am completely lost here. how do you do studies? is color-picking helpful when you start out, or is it useless? it's almost impossible for me to see/get the right colors on my own. will it get any easier when I just keep going? any advice would be appreciated

>>2721484
>is color-picking helpful when you start out, or is it useless?
Try eyeballing the colors first, then color-picker to check.
See how close you're getting, and try to figure out why you're off. And also, which looks better.
Remember that the relationship of the colors in a picture is far more important than the color of any one particular spot.
Also, read some basic color theory while understanding said relationships.

>it's almost impossible for me to see/get the right colors on my own
Then if you are painting from a reference be it life or photo, your task basically to find which swatch on your color chart is closest to area on the reference source. See color in hues, saturation, and value (brightness).

>will it get any easier when I just keep going
Yes. Practice, practice, practice.

>>2721528
thank you, I'll keep this in mind.

>>2721167
I'm not him you autist. I'm just tired of people spouting memes as actual advice.

die dulle griet (detail) study. this time no color picking as I used a book for ref

plop

bumb

How do you lads hold your pencil?

I'm from a shithole where the schools used to beat us, so obviously I was never taught how to properly hold pencils so i just did whatever worked, all my life i've been holding it wrong (I know because people always say 'you hold your pencils really strangely anon' etc) and i'm wondering if maybe it's holding me back? It hurts to draw for more than 15 or so minutes. Though I'm scared I'll lose whatever shitty progress I've already got if I change after all these years.

>>2722115
Usually like this unless I'm drawing small scale / detailing. Good for broad, wide movements... loose and free. It's convenient that I hold a paintbrush in the same manner.

>>2722147
pic related

>>2722115

Personally I've tried to use >>2722148 and it doesn't work well for me because my paper is usually flat on my desk. I prefer overhand. I use it for my sketching and then for details I use the traditional way.

Don't worry about 'losing' your progress. Your work will be shittier while you get used to it but you won't lose your knowledge. It'll take some time to get used to but don't consider it backwards progress.

Another museum draw, not so good this time. Shadows on marbble are deceptively complex + subtle

>>2720439
Modern art masterpiece

just sketched this, i'm horrid at rendering but i'll try it anyway with this. Any tips?

>>2722154
>don't consider it backwards progress.
Good advice, thanks.

r8

>>2721720
this is neat, your lines are really nice
next time resize and crop it tho, showing your brush only distracts us from the art

would love critique on this I haven't painted in forever...
the train is probably the worst part i realized

>>2723242
Nice

>>2722800
whats the source of that design'and particular piece

Goddammit why are there always competing draw threads? I just want seek approval from internet strangers!

>>2723242
Enjoyed verily. Will reuse as reaction image

Sketched this 2 months ago would like your opinion and what could've improved?

>>2723865
Well, the windmill looks really misplaced in this environment, what purpose does it fulfill for the image, why is there?
And the train is driving into the distance I assume? Why, the action is already over then?
Where is the excitement in this image.

I gotta say the thumbnail is alright, same with the values although the foreground could be a tad darker. I think you problem is the purpose of the image. Tell a story.

>>2724197
Nice one, the rendering looks solid except the tree in the upper right. Feels like another artist randomly pasted that in. I think you should get rid of the tree, I know you're going for the lady to pick that apple but the birds and the ballon are actually more interesting and also very dominating. Could the girl do something more interesting with the open space in the upper right?

>>2724197
The air balloon should showcase more ambient light throughout...
but I'm affraid it would hurt the composition
One thing I would suggest is dilute the greens from the trees and desaturate/darken the browns. It's unnecessary and distracting.

>>2724226
a better understanding of turtles ofc
but anyways the turtle's heads doesn't seemt to be in line with the perspective of whatever is on their shells, try practice drawing boxes.

>>2724197
>>2724558
Here is what I meant

>>2723242
8 fantastic sides out of 8

R8

>>2721187
m8, when I lived in London I went the whole day with nothing more than a slice of coffee cake while sketching in the British Museum and V&A.

>5 year old sketches

So this is the first layer, pretty big canvas, 20x24 inches.

>>2725381
if this is five years ago, I want to see where you're at right now

>>2725406
Probably at his desk, on the computer. I doubt he's been sitting at the museum for 5 years solid.

>>2725406
I'm the pic above you, here's my shit -

https://www.artstation.com/artist/dalkins

I had a 4 year hiatus though so no super dramatic improvement.

>>2725418
>4 year hiatus
W-what happened?

>>2725424
I discovered 4chan.

It's been some time without drawing

Polishin up a character for portfolio atm

Forgot full body sorry

>>2725436
I can tell your anatomy and drawing skills are not that developed, but the design and some of your choices are pretty interesting.

The orange sphere looks a bit out of place on it, perhaps put some pattern on it, maybe some black design, or a gold inlay would be nice, or maybe some sort of indication that it can open up like the segments of an orange or something? Just a shiny sphere there feels wrong.

>>2725443
Yeah you're right I think I'm gonna add alot more to it, it feels overly simplified compared to the rest of the set. Thanks m80

>>2725438
Yo, hombre! Are you gonna render that further? I really like what you've got going there!

Did a little edge/value study (pic related)

>>2724167
mine, trying to keep it original
also how's this?

>>2725438
post your process.

A cool character means nothing if you don't have a process to show off.

nowhere close to finished. here's a little contribution. wow there's actually a lot of good shit here. hope you guys finish what you post!

>>2724875
I'm going to eat popcorn when you die.

>>2721137
finish it.

>>2725381
Did you eat amphetamine?

>>2725678
looks really nice. not much to say since you're better than me. its head might be stretched a little too long vertically unless you meant for the goop on top to be a little thicker.

Commission of Pinochet in oil
Critique is encouraged.

>>2726431
Take a better photo of it. It's hard to tell what is a result of bad painting or bad photography. I will say that the uniform looks a bit mushy. That soft edge along his sash is not really working i don't think. Military uniforms like that look best when sharp and clean and looking brand new and crisp, it makes it look professional and well groomed in the same way a well fitted tuxedo might, so you don't want it looking dumpy or old.

>>2726431
hello D4P, put more effort in your edge control

It's awkward but I'm not sure what I need to change.

>>2725678

I would give it a more detailed rendering and background and make a whole painting out of it. Love the concept and execution (although take into account I am at the beginning of my adventure with art so what I say might not be entirerly helpful to you)

>>2726575
I think the flat plain background works to his advantage, but you're right that if he tightened up the face thing a bit more it would be really sweet.

>>2726560
there's no source of lighting,
The light seems to be scattered all over the place or rather by the term "pillow shading"; avoid that.
Try seeing a '3d shape', and learn where to place the shadows under the
shape'.

lil update.

>>2725678
Love it. You need to pump up the contrast a bit here and there to make it really pop. Try to push the contrast slightly on the edge of her right jaw, just along the edge. It'll give her more distance from the bg and make her pop out a bit more. i'll do a paintover in a few minutes

chuggachuggachuggachug

(cleaned up a bit)

First attempt at color and this is my first plane drawing, wew that's a lot of firsts.

IG

Beginner thread says nothing, so I'll try my luck here.

Requesting your own style on this, preferrably digital. Critique if you want but I don't aspire to improve, I just draw shit like this for fun occasionally

>>2729764

It's hard to say anything because it's really confusing and fucked up.

Those should be 2 separate drawings. That thing on the left was drawn in different viewer position and not on the same ground plane.

Moreover, disregarding ADDITIONALLY fucked up perspective and proportions in lamp (base too small in regards to head of a lamp) light works also differently on it.

You seem from the upper part to have light source from upper right, but from the base more in a back.

People don't comment on it because it is unclear mindfuck. I guess that you did draw head of a lamp, then at different day rest with base or moved it for convenience and then, on yet another day crammed drawing on the left there.

Don't fucking do that. It's fucking bad.

Also you are lazy for not putting detail/shadows inside head of a lamp.

Too bad I don't have the PSD anymore since my hard drive diededed... Need to get away from dem blacks. Goddamn blacks always fucking up my shit.

>>2730759
very dave rapoza-ish

>>2730761

I wish it was. I love the guy. My brush technique isn't good enough so I mostly fuck around with colordodge and multiply layers. Trying to get away from that shit though. So "t-thanks, I guess".

Thoughts? I KNOW the lizard legs are fucked up, but I kinda like them that way.

Pretty new to digital, would love some feedback to know if I'm on the right track.

>>2730962
hmm, what I'd say is to lay off the airbrushing brush/ blur tool, really all you need if you're just starting/ only doing studies is the normal hard round brush at varying opacity settings.

huh, I'm only using varying opacity with pen pressure though. I'm not even sure what the blending tool is, just that I shouldn't use it:)

>>2726887
Bet you are a Beksiński fan.
Liked the color palette, but the perspective in the background seems a bit fucked.

>>2730759
am finally impressed, good work

>>2725390

>>2731833
Not sure if I'm done with this or not, probably needs some finishing touches.

>>2731835
And a half finished still life for practice.

how could I make the characters read better ?

>>2732821
thats sick

>>2732821
Too many 3D elements, m8

>>2732821
nice, but boring as fuck.

>>2732821
>how could I make the characters read better ?
To be honest I would have composed it differently and changed the layout of the room. Even just cropping out the left half of hte image would help I think.

Using what you have though I think just controlling contrasts to control the eye.

So:
-the banners on the left grab my attention too much, there is that intense saturated red amplified by the cool blue behind them
-I made the clothing of the beggars white so there is value contrast
-king is blue for colour contrast and gave him a crown for a more interesting shape
-put a subtle vignette with a soft brush and multiply layer to keep less important areas darker
-added some guards
-made those bowls gold so that there is some more colour and material contrast
-made small value adjustments everywhere

I mainly asked myself a lot of questions as I was making this. What do you guys think?

>>2720975
You're not looking at your angles at all.
You're completely fucking it up.
I'm seeing you draw an obtuse angle for an acute one.

It's fucked, and you need to stare more at your reference.

>>2732821
work on composition
Angles are dynamic is fuck but it looks cool
To make the characters "read" better is to, first off, direct the attention to the characters.
My eye lost all attention to the characters to in fact going away from it.
Maybe add some guards facing to the King so a few other objects that face towards the the figures,
And like the other people said, lessen some values outside the characters like the flags,
assuming they are the ones to be focused.

Kill me famalalalalalams.

>>2732823
Ace.

>>2732895
Stop jacking off to 3d models and scale and perspective if you want to focus on character.

I'm going to attempt to animate this in a subtle loop style.

>>2732895
>>2733181
Thank you really much, I'll do that

>>2724559
Here is the finished version. Well. Semifinished. But i tried to fix the tree color

>>2733682
Uncropped

>>2733683
Dig it. But i would try using a large brush and blocks of value next time. Either that or use an actual pen and piece of paper for that sketchy style. Using normal ps brushes for that make it look very scratchy.

any crits? have just started drawing again from a long long break

I super like like to paint victorian floral patterns. They are very relaxing for for some reason.

>>2733779
This is why you should never do studies from a fucking photo.

Lens Lens distortion is a very real thing and you aren't learning jack shit about anything other than how to copy a photo.

The artists that use photos for for their "studies" are shit artists. Like noah bradley (his "gf and crew as well), ricksucksadick martini, nudurrrr, ect.

photos are great for references but for studies? Yeah, nah.

>>2733705
the idea is neat, but pretty much nothing else.
>needs better anatomy
>needs better composition
>colors are flat and bland
>lacks detail in key areas
>foreshortening/perspective is off

>>2733816
Pretty sure he's ripping off a Fenghua Zhong painting. Your points are all still pretty valid though I guess.

>>2733779
values are boring but thats just my opinion. it's very well done

>>2733786
Studying photos is fine so long as you don't do it to the exclusion of other things like life painting and master copies, and as long as you are aware of the limitations of photography.

He did seem to have blindly copied a lot of that photos weaknesses, honestly the colours and values are worse than the lens distortion.

God fucking damnit I immediately hear it, "MAMA LUIGI" every god damn time I open up /ic/ and this shit is on the top 2 rows of threads

>>2733753
Man. You're amazing. Wish I could reach that level.

>>2733821
O SHIT so that's where i got it. I saw that one monkey man picture a long time ago but forgot about who painted it, i was looking for that kind of effect but failed i guess. hahaa

>>2733816
got much more to learn then, aight aight thanks

>>2733786

So you are suggesting that he should have contacted this woman in real life and make her pose for him?

>>2733856
I cannot tell if you're being serious or not.
>>2733826
I could could rant for a lonngggg time about why photos are bad for studying and the reason artists like kr0n, nadar, and the like do it isn't to improve their "art" or to improve as "artist" but it's a lazy acceptable way way to steal and get attention.

I realllyyy don't want to try to argue this and I'm not saying I'm 100% correct but if artist's like Leyendecker think photos are terrible for improving as an artist then maybe...

I never really did many life studies and I'm aware of the issues I have with my art. I really wish I started doing life studies earlier to avoid the bad habits I picked up.

>>2733834
Thanks anon. I appreciate it. <3

>>2733925
>I could could rant for a lonngggg time about why photos are bad for studying and the reason artists like kr0n, nadar, and the like do it isn't to improve their "art" or to improve as "artist" but it's a lazy acceptable way way to steal and get attention.
I mean I agree with you there, but you are cherrypicking examples. Many digital artists who are actually technically skilled have studied photos to learn--Mullins, Jaime, Ruan Jia, Brad Rigney, Min Yum, Algenpfleger etc. In fact I would argue that the majority of pro artists have learned at least in part from photos. Many fine artists and traditional illustrators work from photos too, like Donato Giancola, Mian Situ, Phil Hale. The key is that none of those guys worked exclusively from photos.

Leyendecker is an outdated example. Hell, he was outdated even in his own time. Frankly it's not financially feasible anymore to hire models to pose for everything you do, and even in Leyendecker's time he was pretty much the last artist to continue doing that and could only get away with it because he was a superstar who got better rates than everyone else. Even other big name guys like Rockwell switched to using photos because it wasn't possible to hire models to pose any more. And rates have only gone downhill since then.

honest thoughts on this?

>about to sell 2 more paintings

feeling good right about now

>>2733943
>Frankly it's not financially feasible anymore to hire models to pose for everything you do
See, this is why I don't don't argue this shit online.

I specifically stated, and I quote:
>Photos are great for references but for studies? Yeah, nah.

As well, you CAN learn something from photos but you're going to fuck up the way your mind processes imagery that's going to be a bitch to straighten out later. It's far far far far better to study from life than from photos.

>>2730759
It looks too dark/too much contrast to me but thats just me personal taste

5h. sketch. Horrible Photoshop effects, I know but had to get this done quickly. Gonna do a proper illustration out of this starting tomorrow from scratch.