/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Just gotta be lucky. Names are like that.

>>2678725
no how does someone paint something so fucking realistically

motherfucker it looks photorealistic

>>2678733
maybe its a filter over a photo

you ever think of that?

>>2678733
look at her other posts
it's clearly a photo
you can tell the parts that are painted and the parts that aren't

this is so obvious that it's painful to look at

let her crash and burn when someone asks her to not paint over something

His avatar looks familiar. I think he went by brokencow or something on CA years and years ago.

>>2678736
>>2678737
>>2678738
so it's a paintover? there's actually no skill involved? i shouldn't feel jealous or left behind in the world of art?

>>2678742
you shouldn't feel jealous of anyone in general

if you focus on improving instead of "feeling left behind" you're gonna have a much more sound time doing art

>>2678744
words of wisdom

thanks_fam i really appreciate it

>>2678738
The grain filter on top is so strong that it's hard to tell desu. It looks painted with photoref to me. The pic in OP looks more like it uses photos in ti, but again that fucking filter is obliterating everything so you can't say 100%. Looks like shit ether way.

>>2678723
Kr0nPr1nz?

>>2678755
we don't speak of him here

>>2678761
Why?

>>2678793
>he wasn't here for krongate
shall i spoonfeed you

>>2678796
>krongate
Which?

>>2678799
the one where he was found making money off of drawings that were practically traced from existing works. like 20 of them. and how deviantart tore him a new one, even sakimichan was disappointed in him.

>>2678801
did dv really step in ? or are you juts talking about the coms?

>>2678801
>krongate
You mean /ic/'s failed attempt to "expose" Kron, even though it didn't effect him at all? Krongate just exposes no one on /ic/ has any real influence.

>>2678801
the portraits?
Is illegal sell a portrait?

>>2678803
i don't think they were commissions, i think he was selling them as prints.
>>2678806
i remember him losing a small number of patrons on patreon. yeah it didn't effect him as far as his social media presence goes, but he had to make a couple statements about his art, which some of the things he said were bullshit. and of course /ic/ has no real influence, the people on this board can hardly influence themselves.
>>2678807
not exactly. some of his earlier works were nearly identical to pre-existing drawings by other artists, like official artwork for anime and stuff. some of them had such a close resemblance, he basically redrew the picture for himself and sold it as a print. i wouldn't call it illegal per se, but it's quite unethical and as an artist with such a huge following, you can imagine the reaction from all the younger artists who look up to him as some kind of inspiration only to find out they've been worshiping a false idol who plagiarizes other artists.

>>2678801
Sakimichan copy photos too and she has a tutorial for do that
She is a hypocrite

>>2678816
sakimigate when

>>2678816
Every artist copies photos
/ic/ pushing goals again

>>2678814
No fuck, it is sad
;_;

>>2678820
i know right

>>2678816
?? She isn't selling plagiarized stuff though is she?

>>2678823
i think those tutorials are only available through her patreon, which you have to pay a certain amount for

>>2678826
That shit that she tell him for his works, months later, she make this shit
She is a hypocrite x1000

>>2678832
i didnt disagree with you
i literally said you have to pay for her copying tutorials

>>2678832
hypocrisy

>>2678817
i heard she has a team of people do the art she supposedly pumps out. Since she can afford that now.

>>2678866
That would be smart, but I doubt she does that. Her work is already formulaic and the quality went down when she started pumping them out at a quick rate, so I suspect she does them herself and they don't take all that long. The style has been consistent too I think.

>>2678866
Nice double dubs but I don't think so. Yuumei hired some more artists for her webcomic, but I don't think Sakimichan did anything like that.

>>2678753
nahh, loo though the history of images, some sketches show she struggles very much so with things such as face/hand structure and then on other "studies" she pretty much aces eveything . they are horrible paintovers

>>2678883
I looked through a bunch just now and it looks painted. One or two things look to have some phototextures in them, but that's not on the studies so much. Their trad work is pretty strong too. I think you are just getting confused by the grain. They're studies anyways so obviously the structure will be better than imagination work.

>>2678723
>>2678738
I don't think these are paint overs. They just look like she's run a photo through the Oil Paint filter in Photoshop. Seriously, try it.

>>2678889
paintover or filter, it still requires no skill

>>2678738
>speedpainting
lol god forbid they do one normally and break reality with how realistic it is

>>2678885
>Their trad work is pretty strong too
you're new is showing.
half of being a good drawer is seeing through bullshit, you still have a while to go.

>>2678916
>Being a good drawer

>>2678919
i was just going to generalize and say artist, but what ever, painter.

thanks for refuting my main point.

>>2678916
>cherrypicking a shit drawing
Their marker stuff is pretty good though. Whatever, the studies everyone is calling paintovers or photobashes or filters look legitimately painted to me, and the person does have enough experience drawing and painting to pull it off imo.

>>2678927
whatever man, enjoy being fooled normie.

>>2678929
Okay? I'm not impressed by their work though. I don't see how I'm fooled except that I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on the studies. They just look like basic copies to me with filters thrown on top.

>>2678933
the other guy is right, enjoy being fooled

wa wa

>>2679831
that's a new one

>>2679831
I mean it's not the most original style anyways

>>2679831
God damn that fucking cuck

>>2678832
every year there is a new batch of fresh /ic/ users that have not the first clue about anything except that you're supposed to get angry at other artists to fit in. Jesus christ, I don't have the patience anymore

>>2679831
Kron posted it at artstation 2years ago
Artgerm a year ago on DA
So... Oh well, who gives a fuck anyway

>>2679831
why post an image with the two layers on top of each other if nothing matches ? we can see it's referenced without it

>>2679915
Some people can't, anon. That's why it needs to be on top of each other.

>>2679915
the mouth and nose match

>>2679897
Really?
Artgerm gate when

>>2679897
missin point fucknut

This shit is so fucking unoriginal you could place it on a dozen paintings and it would line up.

Just trash.

>>2679925
uh... there's an overlay right here that shows it doesn't match exactly. Yeah you're right, the ridge of the nose matches, and a part of the mouth matches, but since nothing else really matches, it's simply what was used as a reference for overlaying the two pictures so it doesn't mean he traced, considering we know he referenced. Also, out of curiosity I was checking some Kron overlaying and there is some dishonesty with the guy who did it. The overlay mode used makes it confusing to see exactly what matches and what doesn't, and the guy erased a large part that was completely mismatched. Either he traced or he didn't, anything in between becomes mental gymnastics

>>2679927
>>2679915
>>2679897
Couple things this could show. One, artgerm actually copied kr0n, hue hue. Or more likely, artgerm draws profiles very specifically and you can find that exact same profile angle and drawing in multiple artgerm sketches. So kr0n probably grabbed an older sketch that was just as close.

Or they used the same reference.

Or they are both uninspired.

>>2679930
Oh, yeah I don't believe Kron ever traced. I thought the tracing thing was just a joke people made because that image that had all the pics he ripped off made it pretty clear he was just doing studies of them and then presenting it as original work, but nowhere did it looks traced.

>>2678916
>can't even make a circle in perspective

>>2679915
>The profiles are nearly identical
Probably traced from the same picture

>>2678723
>14 years of improvement

>>2679831
>artgerm does weird sidemouth showing farside of lip
>based kron uses lineweight to create the same illusion while being anatomically correct
>based kron

>>2678738
>speedpainting
Uh hu

>>2678832
>speedpainting
that is the dumbest meme ever

Lmao

>>2679831
im fine with this one the subject is different enough that i don't care...

>>2680461
That's because the far side of the lip DOES show from that angle.

>>2679831
I assume that the middle one is the "copy". Every change just made it worse.

>>2679931
as much as artgem does sameface thing, he actually proved he has technical skill to some degree... kronz and similar, i still have yet to form opinion on him, I wouldn't call him a tracer but heavy referencing of already existing fanart... really weak.

Worst offender of this shit IMO is Irakli dude, he just posted this one and its unimaginative as always.

>>2680636
wtf do all artists do this shit now? i hate """"""""modern art"""""""""

>>2680636
>replace face with your generic "photorealistic disney princess mutant" face
>repeat
lmao how can anyone take this shit seriously, its also kinda insulting to the models he decides to overpaint

>>2680643
it's insulting to everyone. the model he paints over, his followers and """"fans'"""", i guess it's pretty insulting to his own skill as well. wasting it on paintovers. although i guess if all you do is paintovers, do you really have any skill to begin with?

>>2680636
maximum sameface overfiltered crap

>>2680636
I'm reasonably sure it's the exact face he pasted over a couple other photos ayyy

>>2680643
If I was cosplayer in pic related, I would be fucking furious, let alone offended.

>>2680646

Don't forget goddamn ugly blur filter which he uses in Every. Single. Drawing of his.

I swear to God, one simple sketch from Even Admunsen has more soul than 'over 9000 hours' overpaint from Irakli.

>>2680673
Even is a fucking legend, I strive to be him

>>2680647
You just cant comprehend the power of SPEEDPAINTING

>>2680695
did you just make this? kek

>>2680539
>posting an irakli nadar as an example
Fuck off

>>2680636
bitch as people may about the tools and process, the result still became pretty good.

>>2680708
excuse me?

>>2680636
i like it

>>2680507
>Lay some shitty filters over a photo
>Call it "study"
Is this even real life?

>>2679889
>new batch of fresh /ic/ users that have not the first clue about anything except that you're supposed to get angry at other artists to fit in.
well put.

>>2680703
Yeah.
Gimme a stock isntagram bitch selfie and I'll do another one right away.

>>2680735

It's not about tools and process, but final result. People do photobashing all the time, but they:

-Take their own photos to use in photobash
-or do a paint over that doesn't look ANYTHING like original.

Irakli is just boring and unimaginative.

>>2680799
Maybe it is painted from scratch as a portrait, ¿why people always think the worse?
Maybe that guy really is painting from scracth all the time

>>2680708
/ic/ is actually braindead

>>2680804
Impossible, too many elements match up perfectly together in both images. Either it's traced or painted over, but its definitely not drawn from scratch.

>>2680836
>Impossible, too many elements match up perfectly together in both images.
That's also the dead giveaway. He drew reflections on her shoulder screw for the part that he erased while tracing.
So now he drew a reflection for something that isn't even there anymore but is present in the original picture.

>>2678723
>https://www.instagram.com/humanbeing/
>that fucking caption on OP's image

No way am I reading all of that, especially when it seems like it's just a cry for attention with the baww story.

I'm also thinking that it's painted over with the reference-- or references if that model doesn't exist.
To clairfy, the face looks referenced but not traced (because it feels unnatural and amateur compared to everything else), though the rest of the anatomy/clothes definitely do look painted over.

>>2679889
>>2680767
it's what happens when people legitimately pretend to be idiots, people mistake it for sincere anger and assimilate those ideas blindly

the forced memes are probably the best example of this

i just kind of feel bad for newer artists that might ruin themselves because of it

>>2680854
Oh yeah, that too. Fuck the caption. No way I'm reading all that shit. Cry me a river and go fuck yourself.

>>2680636
There was batch of Kron videos linked by some anon long ago after "tracing scandal". He didn't trace. He just copied those pictures of Cowboy Bebop and Death parade with high accuracy in CSP studio. And if you think that trace shit already in past. Only memes are remains. "Half truth meme" actually pretty strong. I seen people on forums who call all his drawings and paintings as "tracing" after someone show them meme pic

>>2680871
I would suggest learning English and proper grammar.

>>2680872
Thanks for advice

>>2680872
He's from russia, he cant into grammar.
Lets not forget the time when he was uploading "subway sketches" where he pretended he drew people in the subway and it turned out it was traced cosplayers

>>2680879
lmao really? Please show me a pic or a link or something. I could use a good laugh.

>>2680836
But, maybe he has Savant syndrome,
People can accurate a portrait too

>>2680879
>Lets not forget the time when he was uploading "subway sketches" where he pretended he drew people
I actually forgot. This trace scandal was actually a good lesson for him

>>2680887
Check his patreon
3000 for week
TDFW

>>2680854
>it's painted over with the reference
*with a reference

>>2680879
I'd love a link for this, too.

>>2680899
That's right. Now he don't trace.

>>2680909
Trace is bad?
Check this guy, he traces in this video but people love him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4mwDtaG79E

>>2680912
Who cares?

>>2680919
Traced

>>2680912
this is fucking disgusting and lazy. fucking weaboo trash.

>>2680939
What happened in your life to cause you to have such a strong reaction to something so stupid?

>>2680950
When someone who traces gets thousands of paying followers, yet other artists who don't trace hardly get noticed, how can one not be frustrated with the situation?

>>2680960
>When someone who traces gets thousands of paying followers
Like who?

>>2680879
In Russia, everyone cheats. Even Russian dressing is Thousand Islands.

>>2680967
Oh! You just got here, right?

>>2680971
humanshitbeing? Irakli? Noname anime artists from youtube? Every pixiv user I follow has ten times or even more likes and followers. If you're good arist everything will be okay. Unless you're Wakawa autist

>>2680960
No, because being skilled is only one part of being a successful artist. The business aspect is huge and many artist just completely ignore it. Why would I be mad when they do this shit to themselves?

>>2680980
>If you're good arist everything will be okay. Unless you're Wakawa autist
kek, though if he did fanart and self promoted a bit he'd easily be popular even with the autism posts

>>2680882
>lmao really? Please show me a pic or a link or something. I could use a good laugh.
>>2680903
>I'd love a link for this, too.

It was this one titled "cafe sketches", where he implied he sat in a cafe and drew people sitting there.
Turns out he just copied some photo of a girl cosplaying.

>>2680993
>he copied photo while sitting in cafe

>>2680993
Wow... I almost can't believe it. I hate people.

>>2680999
lel, he probably did it at home, maybe he was drinking a coffee while he did it.
I'd go even as claiming that even his "subway sketches" on "the way to his studio in japan" are faked and completely fabricated

>>2680912
Pretty good imo.

>>2680960
lol.

>>2678723
Right is the best Hillary Clinton R34 i have seen.

>>2681039
Holy shit I'm voting for Hillary Clinton now.

>>2680912

>>2680993
Thanks, anon.

Why would he or anyone lie about this? It's such a silly thing. Of course you're going to get caught in your own claim if you're outright copying almost every detail of a reference. The only thing he didn't draw was the Dr Pepper can. How did he think this would work out?

>>2681003
>he probably did it at home
Exactly my thought.

>>2680993
Why...would anyone believe that this was a cafe? Even in Japan, the average young girl isn't gonna be walking around in full cosplay garb - because right off the bat, you can tell this is a cosplay of Rika. Most of his fans are weebs, did he think no one would notice?

People probably wouldn't have even bothered with this random sketch if it didn't look so damn artificial. He could have at least changed up the clothes and hair a bit to seem more realistic. Honestly...

>>2681136
>Why would he or anyone lie about this?
Vanity. Stealth bragging and marketing too.
He's creating that image of himself as the cool artist who draws exotic japanese girls with eyepatches while in the subway or at a cafe between a few sips of coffee, when he's some slavshit sitting at home and taking way longer to painstakingly copy that photo over and over until he's happy with the result.
Can't write
>well this took me entirely too long until it's instagram ready
so he pretends he did it just randomly at a cafe and scribbles a few sloppy gestures on the right page so nobody suspects a thing.

It's the same with all those faux "speedpainters". You just know that painting they uploaded didnt take them 20 minutes but 2 hours.
It's all marketing sprinkled with narcissism and vanity.

>>2681147
>People probably wouldn't have even bothered with this random sketch if it didn't look so damn artificial. He could have at least changed up the clothes and hair a bit to seem more realistic. Honestly...
Well here's the thing.
Almost everything is heavily traced or referenced to a point where you can't even tell anymore.
People will do overlays to "proove" that one pixel is different and all that bullshit.
The thing is, most people do studies, most people also don't polish them and then pretend they're original works and put them on patreon and deviantart to whore attention.

It's the combination of HOW he does things that makes him so scummy and unlikeable.

>>2681181
Good points.
I don't know what's worse: the 'artists' who lie, or the people who are aware of the lie but look up to them as some kind of idol for their so-called talent.

This anon >>2680912 brings a good example. The comments on that video really make me disheartened.

>>2680993
Damn, Kron is so good. Makes me jelly that he's not /beg/ tier. He's mastered observational drawing.

>>2681192
Can you make this image but with Nadar works?

>>2681247
People really don't care if you trace, really.
People only hate the lies, if Nadar or Kr0n upload a video tracing, nobody cares imo

>>2681253
>nadar
Anyone who doesn't see what he's doing is beyond help anyways.

>>2678723
Another artist using the trace method of Laovaan,
But people don't cares and she has patreon
This is the reallity now, trace but show your trace

>>2681278
she only makes 250 per month though, not exactly a success story

>>2681287
but that no is very important, the important thing is people nowdays dont cares those methods

>>2681287
$635 actually.

>>2681291
What happens if Nadar Show a photobash method right now?
Nothing
People give a fuck that
Maybe /ic/ make happy, no more

>>2681192
>Almost everything is heavily traced
Nope. Download his videos. He has process for all anime drawings. This meme is half truth as I said before

>>2681298
I have several videos of Kr0npr1nz, he don't trace but his process is sospicious, he donn't show the tools or the layers i imo

>>2681309
He use redjuice brushes in CSP.

>>2681315
And photoshop

>>2681298
Well he's still heavily referencing 90% of his shit and not being honest about it.
>>2681309
It's the same thing that irakli does probably, smoke and mirrors. A bit of legit sketching, a bit of prepared images where you erase a white layer with a 80% opacity soft eraser.
Lots of speedpainters do exactly that.
I doubt he's any different.

>>2681318
Sakimichan makes it too

>>2681318
You can look at his process
https://www.youtube.com/user/Mad1Artist/videos
This theory about opacity soft eraser is shit. It's easy to recognize. Like Iraki failed with hairs on one of his video. And kron has art education

>>2681326
>this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dB4S_Xb1ek
My sides, are you pulling my leg?

>>2681326
>50 min sketch
>heavily edited video
Yeah sure. Are you retarded or are you that slavscum himself?
This is exactly the kind of smoke and mirrors bullshit we were talking about

>>2681326
This is a patreon process, maybe he wanted hidden his real process or i don't know
Very different of his youtube videos

>>2681368
I can tell this is doctored from the way he builds up his forms already.
More smokes and mirrors bullshit too fool his backers.

>>2681386
All his videos have the same process
¿did he fake all the videos?

>>2681391
Well for starters his steps are complete bullshit.
The lineart out of thin air, the way he builds up light and shadows.
He obviously drew it but he's not upfront about his process and tries to hide his tracks.
Pretty obvious

>>2681351
>>2681386
>This is exactly the kind of smoke and mirrors bullshit we were talking about
Now you just shitposting.

>>2681395
Nope.
Just to be clear, this kind of painting is no superhuman feat, he's just bs-ing about his process.
It's just not a logical process.

You're better off idolizing people like Fenghua Zhong, at least there you might learn something.

>>2681400
Are you trying to say he hide his tracks even on this drawing? Seems pretty logical way for me. What wrong?

>>2681394
Well, it's all

>>2681414
Well as for the patreon progress, he's obviously giving out a missleading process.
Stuff like drawing individual strands of hair during the sketching phase.
He's either pretraced the sketch from the finished drawing or he's heavily referencing something.
Usually when you PAINT something you don't sketch out a weirdly proportional lineart like that.
You block out the shapes and then work from blocky to detailed.
If you look at her shoulders, they are immediately perfectly shaded in the first go. From base coat to finished in one step. He's being dishonest about his process.

You are better off looking for other heroes.
But ultimately thats your choice. I wouldn't recommend trying to make sense of his steps, because they are obvious bs.

>>2681424
He uses the lasso tool, as Sakimichan or Irakli

>>2681424
Baaaaaka
>>2681428
And like Doomfest and tons of other painters

>>2681428
He could use a toothbrush for all I care.
His progress makes no sense if you look at his desired outcome.

>>2681432
>>2681428
>>2681418
>>2681414
>>2681391
>a bunch of hacks with their entire harddrive full of patreon presentations but no real art knowledge
These videos are made for showing off, not for teaching you.
You are better off looking for other teachers than patreon scam artists.
It's entertainment, not a source of information.

>>2681439
I didn't know RA is hack :^

>>2681446
Nobody is talking about whoever that is.

>>2681439
Well, we want to learn imo

>>2681368
That's some fishy progress.
Here have a proper study.

>>2681450
>irakli
Here's how it works.
>>2681358

>>2681452
Traced

>>2681457
Go back to bed kr0n

>>2681457
You know, maybe you should stay shit for the rest of your life and try to ape traceprince and keep wondering why you aren't improving.
Someone as dense as you kind of has it comming.

>>2681455
The process is different, he uses severals soft brushes and lasso with a skin texture
He only uses a filter of CA in the end

>>2681452
Softbrushing is nothing special actually

>>2681462
Why do people who defend kr0ntr4cer or irakli always have such a poor grasp of the english language?
>>2681469
>softbrushing
Yeah whatever, that's not even a proper term and the pic is unrelated too.

Go ahead and feel free to continue to worship irakli and kr0n.
I don't give a fuck.
People here are only trying to help you, but if you feel aping a bunch of frauds will improve your art go ahead.

>>2681475
I don't need help from people who can't draw and pretend to knows shit :^

>>2681469
Source on pic? Do you have the whole book?

>>2681475
Because ilya knows draw better than you

>>2681493
All the artist are fake?

>>2681496
How much money do you morons spend on patreon Progress Videos?

>>2681487
Only russian. No one bought english digital version
>https://mega.nz/#!RAwCwKba!O99gvpLzeniYNqv1xJnLX32h33bGrQ9Yy_K5DSIxvnA
Your will be interested in this one too
>https://mega.nz/#!NIBm0ZzQ!mTEKrDdAB7osStHA5z3bB0W0WJl_1FYW2Q6ulYv4xtI

>>2681496
I need Ruan Jia meme. His process is shit mess and anti-traditional.

>>2681499
Very much

>>2681496
I hope you didn't pay for this. Literally triggered me with that hair part/skull projecting up so much and the ugly ass yoda ears

>>2681514
>L2 elf
gay

>>2681514
Oh fuck
;__;

>>2681502
Thanks! Shame about it being in Russian, but still good just for the pictures

>>2681318
>>2681326

there are another way to literally """""hack""""" process/speedpaint videos.

i personally trace over a paper or print the thing to copy, then i just put the paper over my cintiq and trace the paper. i do this even in streams and i got over 2.2k USD every month only from patreon.

>>2681525
Kinda very autistic way. But thanks. You give us some new ways for shitposting and demagogue. I will try next time.

>>2681525
So
Streams are fake?

>>2681529
Digital art is fake.

>>2681531
Maybe, but people like that works

>>2681531
Nothing is real. Life is one big illusion.

>>2678723
This sorta art is complete shit. it has no feeling to it and obviously there is little passion behind the it.

>>2681531
RossDraws using photobash
kekekekek
His patreons don't care

>>2681542
Concept artists are not paid to illustrate. Just to get ideas down on the table fast. photo bashing has become an art in itself.

>>2681545
Nadar has future

>>2681542
Damn that hyper faggot chink

Yeah I get the point you guys are making about artist tracing previous art(drawing over it) and making profit which is honestly shameful, but hey it's money.
But some of the new fags here are confusing tracing and observational/pose study etc. and its making my eyes sore.
Maybe with more knowledge in the art field you can get off the bandwagon, you'll see some of you are bashing two different things and making them into one.

>>2681623
You can't stop people on here from bashing artists that are more popular then them, that's just /ic/ mentality.

i'm glad to see my thread change direction like this

you guys are alright. we're all gonna make it

>>2681542
refer to this comment of mine:
>>2680799

Also Ross never pretended he doesn't do that, he's pretty much honest about it in his youtube videos. Also finished drawings of his rarely look like photo he uses for photobashing so no, I wouldn't put Ross in same pit like Irakli, no matter how obnoxious he can be.

>>2681623
Your pic is great example of tracing. Fuck digital shitters

>>2682304
Haha what? That shit is clearly constructed you loser.

>>2681572
This is why you stinky cumskins get no jobs

>>2682377
>That shit is clearly constructed
Prove it. It's traced

>>2682460
Well you prove that it's traced, that's how it works.
Finde the material he traced and show them.

>>2682460
Was /ic/ always filled with so many retards? I haven't visited this place regularly for years and I don't remember there being so many confident retards.

>>2682471
I think they're just trolls and people are taking the bait for some reason

>>2682471
>>2682497
Both wrong, he's ironic shitposting

On a somewhat related note, do you guys all just think it's totally impossible to create an accurate likeness without tracing? I am fucking baffled by all of the "omgggg he traaced that 4 suree!!11" going on in this thread when the two images being compared are merely slightly similar.

I've seen it in a lot of other threads too. Someone posts a work that's an accurate study, and they get reamed. Did none of you ever learn it's possible for someone to, oh, I don't know, actually be able to observe and draw what's in front of them? This shit is getting out of hand.

>>2682469
Smoke and mirrors. He tracing photos of mannequins. His construction looks like that cute robot-girl for drawing at 100%.

>>2682595
I think all the work you've ever done is traced.

We both have the same amount of real evidence behind our accusations.

>>2682588
Would you argue that it's not okay to trace, but it's okay to draw from a reference? Honest question. If someone were to compare a photograph with an illustration referenced from the photo that did not look in any way traced, would that be acceptable? Or would that artist be labeled as uninspired and not a creative person?

>>2682588
No, its not impossible. Its quite easy actually. Doesnt mean there arent people who cheat and do paintovers

>>2682595
Stop being so butthurt you untalented loser.
Instead of defending your Favorite scam Artist go and learn how to draw so you can realize how bullshit his phony Videos are.

>>2678723
Right is THICC as fuck. Sauce on her?

>>2682792
Are you talented loser? What are you talkin About?

>>2682588
Thing is you can, and theres nothing wrong if its being a study, but there are some really obvious people, like Irakli. I've found one of his 2 older works and girl is, well... he actually copy pasted face from one to another, you can overlay and see its same exact shit. And the fact that he's claiming he's some hot shit, but in the end all thing he does is unimaginative photo bashing.

I said it before, it's not the method itself, but result in the end.

>>2682644
Actually yes, because, beautiful thing with references is that you're completely free to build your own reference library. Go around and take photos of buildings, nature, set timer and do some posses yourself.

It also depends how you use reference, for example if person used reference image for pose, but draw everything else different, then it's acceptable, because, in the end its just a pose. In most cases it can get bad if it's photo of someone famous or copyrighted shit, however it all depends how you use it.

Best is, just do your own reference shots, shit's perfectly normal.

>>2683324
Thanks for the response, anon. Been debating with myself whether to use refs or memorize everything imaginable to become a respectful artist.

>>2680636
So, I've decided to run both of these photos separately in http://regex.info/exif.cgi and holy shit...

Pic related, both of these images have same EXACT color data. Here's link to separated images here https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4P50k if you wanna check it yourself (since I can't archive link).

I've run this one too >>2680673 just to see what results would yield, and this picture gives complete profile, it even says which version of Photoshop is used.

So if I hear someone else say ''but he does it from scratch'', I'll fucking point and laugh.

>>2681743
Not that anon, but while I wouldn't put Toss in the same "tier" as Irakli, he definitely is a little scummy.

Pic related got called out by the original artist (Michael Menzelincef), but that comment got deleted pretty quickly.

>>2683337
*Ross

>>2681278
I would only ever consider doing this as a color study or something

>>2683334
What the fuck is that?

>>2683337
That's pretty interesting and shameless, but I have to admit I quite like his result even though I don't usually like his art that much.

>>2683337
Not a big fan of his work either, but i dont really see whats wrong with it. Its obvious the middle pic is used as a reference, but he changed the work enough to were its fine in my opinion. What does the guy on the right have to do with ross work though. His work looks nothing like ross or middle pic.

>>2684479
Middle pic is probably copyrighted. I think he worked right on top of it too, you can see some bits of the original photo like on the wrist.

As for the image on the right, Ross literally copypasted some pieces from it, notably the arm and armpit are the exact same and he even left on the bit of text near the elbow.

>>2678738
Look at the crop line on the leg, LOL filter.

why is tracing such a bad thing? if you can't draw, just trace. who gives a flying fuck?

>>2684553
It takes skill to trace. It takes very little skill to pretend a photo is a painting.

>>2681446
>RA process videos
fuck where do i get those

>>2681192
Am I the only one that thinks that he takes iconic images and puts his own twist on it and makes it look more interesting?
Like the one from Kikis delivery service or the Spritied Away or like the OBJECTION guy. Ofcourse they are similar, thats the idea behind it or am i wrong?

>>2680993
You people have GOT to be retarded.

I'd love to see these sorts of artists trying to draw characters interacting in an environment instead of just portraits.

>>2684583
There's a line between putting his own twist and copying, the line is vague, but it's pretty clear he has crossed it. He could've painted those characters with different lighting, pose, composition, angle, background, color palette, etc. But he just copied so many elements from the official images (or worse, other people's fanart).

I think it's the lazy things he did to get fame and money that pisses people off. Not to mention his response to people calling him out, he simply renamed his "paintings" to "studies". A lot of artists do studies (usually of TV shows/movies), but they don't use them as products or promotional pieces.

>>2684701
You'd be surprised at the number of artists that trace/copy. Digital art or not, Light table have existed for ages dude. A lot of artists rely on tracing/copying. The fact that this angers you, or is blashphemy to you, just goes to show how much of an amateur you really are.

When I went to art school, our teacher often showed us various copying and tracing methods used by big shots, and even "exposed" the hidden secrets behind a lot of famous work. It's no enraging, it's simply eye opening. Artistry goes beyond being able to do studies, or draw perfect figures from memory or whatever the fuck. Artists who trace/copy successfully, usually have a very strong foundation already, so they know what to tweak and change, and how to employ these techinques correctly. Oftentime, tracing is done as a time saving technique in order to get a product out more quickly.

They only retards who get angry at this, are jealous d/ic/ks you've only just gotten started with Loomis, and believe that what Kr0n, or Sakimi, or whoever else that's famous simply hits copy-paste, and got famous off of that.

You have no idea the amount of work hours behind the people who are famous, traced work or not.

I also laugh at the hypocricy of, "hurr, look at this traced shit, it's lazy and dishonest!! - Hey, you guys got a link to the latest Alla Prima? I don't wanna spend 100$ on learning to craft a skill."

Look, shut the fuck up, quit being a jealous faggot, and learn from the people better than you. Tracing or not. The people who are famous, are famous for a reason, perhaps you should take note at what they've done to get there, rather than sneer in jealousy cause no one cares about your mediocre work.

>>2678816
She copies photos
He overpaints photos

Not the same thing anon

>>2684732
post ur work :^)

>>2684796
Flash me ;)

>>2684811
*sigh*

you asked for it

behold, my Master Piece

>>2684813

You got potential, kid. Blog?

>>2684811
how did that whole story ended btw?

>>2684544
OH WOW

WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING

>>2684544

That's just shameful.

>>2685971
>some people in this thread still think hes legit
you just cant help some normies.

>>2684544
i thought that was obvious

some of you guys need to get your eyes checked

good job pointing that out though, anon. now we can point out the pompous amateurs in this thread more easily

>>2678723
looks like shit.

>>2684693
>I'd love to see these sorts of artists trying to draw characters interacting in an environment instead of just portraits.
http://cursedapple.deviantart.com/gallery/

>>2684701
>>2684732

https://youtu.be/JGRdfPp65eg?t=2s

>>2686123
Tracing's useful when an image has to be done quickly and accurately, artists trace photos of people and architecture all the time, there's nothing wrong about that. What's debatable is the extent that Kr0n copies and what he copies from.

Is it alright when he copies most of an image created by other artists without their permission? I don't mean this in a sarcastic way, I genuinely want to know what people on /ic/ think.

>>2678744
What if you focus on improving but there are still days where you still feel envious for one reason or another? I'm in animation industry which is a pretty damn competitive field and have to consistently fight against thousands of applicants for one of the big studios who ends up hiring someone via word of mouth regardless.

I work in a small studio so money isn't a big issue, but damn, I would love to be one of those CalArts kids who gets hired immediately upon graduating...

>>2686121
What the fuck is that hair?

>>2686121
10/10

>"Paintings" are hyper-realistic
>His actual pen and ink drawings are complete shit
Who is this guy trying to fool?

>>2686172
>that pic
the shot both artists are copying is from the official anime opening

>>2686225
That's a bad example, but I think you get what I mean. It would be like a comic artist copying not only the character, but the layout, background, and color from another comic. I don't know if that's okay.

>>2686220
thousands of people and it's working?

>>2686123
Pretty much. Jellyfags, Exposedfags, and shitposters be damned.

>>2686172
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MKAXtyRNGI

>>2686536
she thinks tracing isn't cheating if you're using it for practice and to learn how to draw

she didn't say anything about tracing and making it look like you drew it from imagination. or worse, tracing and fooling people into thinking this is your skill level.

>>2681181
late to reply and im not defending the dude, but his daily instagram stories are definitely in japan (unless you can fake those)