/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Reposting due to old thread dead

at what point should you stop using a default school pencil? or is there no need at all?

>>2680181
There's no need to.

>>2680118
Your handwriting gave me cancer

>>2680118
>beginner thread
>this guy is already better than me
I don't want to compare at all, but god damn it, anon. I'm so jealous of how well done you understand form and I don't. Also are you rendering with graphite? So confused what's going on in this image, since it looks like digital and traditional. The beetle in particular looks nice.

>>2680094
Smash me please. Still first week on the drawing wagon so don't put it too deep in my ass.

sorry for the meme by the way

>>2680211
Symbol drawing as usual.

>>2680212
Are you going to be specific? Because the eyes are not "symbol drawing" I had to hide the eyeballs or it makes him look psychotic no matter the opacity

>>2680216
I'm new as well, but I think it's the lips?

>>2680216
Oh, I didn't realize it was that difficult for beginners to see. I guess that's why it's called symbol drawing. Well, lets just say if it doesn't look exactly like the image, it's wrong. That's what I'm getting at.

>>2680219
>it's wrong
Take out your depression on someone else please, I'm here to learn not associate with retards

>>2680181
when you want to render full value studies in graphite, although it's really useful to get one very hard pencil for construction and a soft pencil for dark values, having one "light" one "medium" and one "dark" is well enough for your purposes in all likelihood.
>>2680191
Eyes symbol drawn, you need to draw the thickness of eyelids, his head is not a square, ear is not that shape, lines are garbage, hair line is not bumpy it's flat, beard not in right place, neck too long, ball of nose doesn't need that much of a line, there should be no flat line between the brow and cheek curve, cheek bone indicated despite him having puffed cheeks, shirt symbol drawn, missing stache.

>>2680232
Crit Meant for this anon
>>2680211

>>2680191
It's digital, just a paper background and pencil brush.

>>2680232
This post is a good example of why beginners shouldn't critique.

>>2680237
Everything I said is correct.

>>2680238
You don't know what you're talking about and that's why you shouldn't critique. There is no symbol drawing in that picture. None. Line errors, sure. Mistakes, yes. Symbol drawing? Fuck the fuck off. You can bloody see the construction lines.

>>2680241
Sure pal.

>>2680242
Here's your last (You), try to go to bed before 4am tonight.

>>2680245
Why do you know when I sleep, anon.

>>2680241
The construction lines aren't even used, you drew them and then ignored them.
Your construction is vertical for some reason, ignoring it and making the head a square for some reason, ect.

You're in the limbo between symbol drawing and not being shit where you look at the ref, think "oh there is a line sort of right there" and just draw something to sort of match it without thinking.

And you're also a moron with a skin too thin to ever make it, so fuck off.

>>2680255
I don't get it, you just sound bitter

>>2680249
you draw it then

>>2680259
>smash me please
>REEEE
>you draw it then

Anon come on

>>2680264
it took me less than 2 minutes, should take you half that

>>2680257
>>2680259
>>2680265
That anon is 100% right that you are symbol drawing and not using the construction lines properly. I don't know why I'm bothering to be nice to you when you're acting like a complete dick, but whatever, I did a basic construction lay-in and a quick sketch on top.

>>2680211
>first week

You should start with something not as complex as a head to refine your understanding of form and simple shapes, THEN transition into portraiture or figure drawing. Unless of course you want your heads to come out fucked for months on end with no apparent fix or improvement, then by all means go for it.

>>2680275
I can tell you're used to drawing white people

>>2680277
>not just brute forcing it like art students

>>2680275
No. Aside from your lines and construction being better due to skill, there's no difference. Don't get me wrong, my drawing is shit, but there isn't any symbol drawing. I'm guessing you either don't know what symbol drawing is or you can't see my sketch properly. You added value which makes the comparison even more drastic. Learn the difference between symbol drawing and shitty lines.

>>2680284
You go pretty far, I'm impressed.

I know I'm a little Patty McGrossout but here's an attempt at a self-portrait in Krita

>>2680284
The eyes in yours are symbol drawings and the other features like ears and mouth are too. And you are ignoring the construction in yours, like the side of the sphere that loomis cuts off is completely misplaced in yours and doing nothing at all. It's supposed to follow the temporal line on the skull.

>>2680286
No, you do. Leave it to 4chan to cultivate a guy so dedicated to trying to be a faggot to others he'll post up a storm. I'm quite astounded at how you're still here

Alternative Art send me here

>>2680287
>>2680292
symbol drawing

>>2680292
At least read the OP.

>>2680294
>>2680295
Sorry senpais I was so excited to post.

>>2680287
Looks pretty nice actually. The "C" shaped line that is on your cheek and between your eye and ear is a bit weird looking to me. I would either get rid of it entirely or modify its shape and make it more subtle. Your far cheek too might be bulging a bit far out based on where the eye and nose are placed.

Are you going to try painting it?

>>2680284
your collar and tie are symbol drawn to be honest lol

>>2680300
Thanks for telling me.

Rendering is hard

>>2680300
don't embarrass yourself

>>2680299
I'm not entirely sure what I was trying to do with it, but it's kinda dark and poorly lit so I was battling with trying to see the contour of my face in the mirror. With the lines on the cheeks, I was trying to imply form for some reason, but these are all just excuses. I need to study and learn more. Thank you :)
As for painting it, I need to look up some tutorials for painting in Krita since I tried to paint a little and didn't know what I was doing, not to mention I need to learn about painting in general.

This is all nonsense; the original was perfect.

>>2680312

>>2680312
Fuck I love these shops and wish it was a more common meme these days

>>2680095
>>2680079

first light/form (or whatever it's called) study from keys to drawing

how'd i do guys

i think the perspective is a bit off, sorry about that

>>2680321
ref

>>2680321
>>2680322
Looks like you'll make it.

>>2680312
AHHAHAHAHAHAH
quality post

>>2680324
you r-really mean it?

th-thanks anon

>>2680255
lmao, he like symbol drew the construction lines, just completely ignored it.

>>2680090

argumentum ad populum running wild in this thread tonight

>>2680343
more symbol drawing

>>2680353

>symbol drawing

looks like a trace to me

>>2680321
Push the values
Table is almost 8-9, background is like a 6 or something, if you fix that they will pop a lot more.
Notice the table is reflecting the white cubes as well
You are on the right track dood.

What should my balance be of raw practice, to reading/studying? My only experience with anything like this is Dota, and most people will tell you reading guides/watching pros is fine but you should just jump into it and start spamming games every day if you wanna learn the game. Does the same apply with drawing, or is the emphasis on learning the fundamentals more important than raw practice?

>>2680364
Raw practice is always more important than theory. Studying one thing pretty much lasts you a week at least if you're serious about it, if you're not then well, you can still extend the time.

>>2680364
>My only experience with anything like this is Dota, and most people will tell you reading guides/watching pros is fine but you should just jump into it and start spamming games every day if you wanna learn the game.
Really, interesting. Never heard that before.

>>2680373
Try it some time, loser

good feeling about this one, critique is lauded

>>2680364
>tfw could easily play in professional tournaments in dota
>but too autistic to do so
good thing i stated drawing a few weeks ago

>>2680364
IMO, in the very beginning (first week) it's good to read a lot about drawing and what the fundamentals are and how you can better. You must know bad practices etc. If you got a clear understanding of what is wrong and right, you just have to apply that and do a lot of raw practice. Once you're past symbol drawing and actually start showing some progress it's time to start studying again. But this is my opinion ofc.

>>2680100
This was really fun to draw

>>2680391

>>2680353
are you autistic? Learn to draw before you spout memes.

>>2680386
Thanks! I used to draw a bit when I was younger, but I recently got a tablet and I'm having a lot of trouble getting used to it because it's just so much different than pencil/paper, but I'm hoping it won't take me too long to get used to it.

>>2680373
Yep. The general consensus is that when you're just starting Dota, its better to get into the game and just start playing, a LOT. You have to start memorizing hero abilities, items, the map, etc. That's the biggest barrier to entry for the game and controls your understanding of how you want to approach each game. Once you get past an average level at the game, its time to start watching replays and stuff to learn the finer stuff.

I'm friends with a bunch of semi-pro players, and some pro players, and they all say that you just wanna spam the find match button to learn the game.

>>2680395

>>2680300
No, they are simplified, not symbolised. You can clearly see that he made Collar a flat, curved plane, but still feel it's 3D form. Same for tie, you feel which form are overlaping.

>>2680312
THROUGH HIS EYES

how the FUCK do i make the transition to digital art? this graphics tablet feels so foreign to me and not looking down is really fucking me up. also i have no fucking CLUE how to get a brush to look right, sketching with brushes that look like they were made for line art is really frustrating.

FUCK

>>2680437
Only took me about a week. Then again, I had been drawing with a mouse for so long, that I had actually become proficient at it.

>>2680361
give him a break the nigger is using graphite
admittedly he isn't using the full value range of the medium but it's not like he's using charcoal or pastel

>>2680077
Holy cow! I made it to the OP's post on my first try!
Thanks for the motivation /ic/, I promise I'll make it

>>2680094
other than the fact that this doesnt look like the picture i don't think it turned out too bad

>>2680094
wew, this lad's smug face was harder to draw than I expected

Can someone explain to me the difference between this...

...and this

>>2680241
>There is no symbol drawing in that picture

>>/beg/

>>2680583
>/beg/
>>/beg/
>>>/beg/

boy give me your worst.

Right now I'm having alot of issues with the torso and butt and legs. I can't seem to make the right construction blocks for the hips. I know alot of people use cubes and such, but I cant seem to make those connections. I cant connect the legs to the hips or draw butts.

Here is some quick examples I did from references (i'll post those)

>>2680638

>>2680638
>>2680639

practicing some heads. progress is slow

>>2680639
Why are the faces blurred?

>>2680670
those are all my close friends.

>>2680670
uh. no idea, i just kinda blurred their faces? no real reason. sorry about that

>>2680670
im really really sorry. im really sorry. im really sorry.

>>2680670
>>2680682
this is me. just to prove it I went and unblurred the faces. Anyways. i guess I did really badly if the only thing worth talking about is how I blurred the faces.

>>2680687
Please blur the top right woman's face again. She's fucking ugly.

can someone please advise me? I'm genuinely so confused

>>2680077

>>2680687
>>2680638
go to the absolute beginner's thread
>>>2668936

>>2680477
Gratz, nice job.
Poor Katey tho.

>>2680705
what is there to be confused about?
Draw a simplified version of what you want to draw then slowly add the details

>>2680718
WARNING
this is a meme post
do not get memed

Any comments? Stitched together some recent drawings, I intentionally left in some of the shittier ones. All of them are drawn from reference.

Very bottom left is probably the furthest I've gone with a drawing

>>2680777
checked
>drawing rohan without being able to draw manga
you disgrace

>>2680718
Absoulte Beginner thread is probably the worse /ic/ meme despite it being completely valid,

Honestly beginner thread should just now be called "Mediocre to Pretty good thread"

If I want to be a cartoonist should I still be studying the essentials of regular drawing/art? Also, any good books on cartooning?

>>2680790
to be a cartoonist you must first learn to draw like the Renaissance masters.jpg

Some stuff from memory. I need to practice head and figure construction more.

>>2680865
The heads and female figure look good to me, I think the guy's lower torso might be a little small. Nice work though

>/abeg/ exists
>low confidence posters like myself will move down
can I get general critiques on this and maybe some pen tips or should I just go to the other thread

I seem to have trouble putting stuff together, mainly right now regarding the face,what can i do to help me solve this?

>>2680865
nice if it really is from memory

>>2680929
About 2 hours

>>2676125
Ref from last beginner thread

>>2680957
I personally think jaw is too forward, and I pretty messed up the hairs

>>2680930
I'm not good at painting, to take the crit with a bit of salt, but it looks like you went into small brushes for details way to early. You should spend longer time on getting the pose closer to 1:1, light correct etc.

>>2680987
That's probably true, also, the more I look at it, the more I think I should work on values more and go back to shades of gray for a while. I don't think I can handle colours good enough

>>2680957
Do you see the errors in size of the cranium compared to the ref or is this picture taken at an angle?

having a bit of trouble with this idea
so there is a wall with a crack in it and a light source behind it
how does the shadow fall?
i tried this but it looks wrong, whats wrong with it?

simplified mock up in photoshop (the star is the light source)

>>2681035

>>2681035
I'd first set the plane on which the wall is resting, to know where to cast the shadow.
Then it should just be a point to point line tracing from the source to the plane, to set the shadow limits.

>>2681053
but is the basic theory right? besides where the ground is? like am i supposed to do something with the top corners of the wall or do they just follow straight lines from the base as is expected?

>>2681057
Welp, just place a lamp on your desk and light some stuff, it's pretty much straight lines. and the original shape is kept in the shadow, just enlongated and expanded based on where it is cast and how far from the source.

>>2681035
With a lightsource that low the shadow border wouldn't be on the page.

And what >>2681053 said.

>>2681060
this helped

Found something nice for you lads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmHOvmPJjE

>>2676125

It came out kind of silly and effeminate

Done with >>2680088 as reference

>>2681125
You sure?

>>2681117
lol, the likeness is lacking but it's cute and appealing!

>>2681117
That's because you didn't draw with your eyes and probably just defaulted to what you were comfortable with. Try playing spot the difference, it'll help you figure out which parts you are more prone to autopilot through.

>>2681117
eyes, nose, headstructure and values.
you dont need long to fix it.

>>2680391
>>2680395
>>2680403
very nice

i've been slacking the last couple of days, so last two digits decides how many hours of drawing i will do

>>2681117
Head tilted wayyy too much

>>2681254
...thank you.

>>2680777
Your lines are very unsure. It's not full-on chicken-scratching, but it looks pretty messy. Try thinking before you move your pencil, and focus on drawing smooth lines in one go.
A lot of the of the construction is wonky; I can't tell if the line through the torso on the two top right sketches are abs or the ribcage, since they're too far down to be abs and they're not V-shaped enough to be the ribcage. On some of your drawings it also looks like you drew the upper body as a thin rectangular prism (second to left and second to right on the top) with no distinction between the ribcage and the stomach. You should show some difference between the two sections (pic related) if you're going to construct.
Hope this helped, keep it up anon. You're getting it.

>>2680574
That sure is one handsome negro, good job, anon.

currently working on this, i'm making each number 1 to 9 for each first page my sketchbook.

>>2681524

>>2681117
hello firez

Uhh hi.

so someone directed me to this beginner's thread because something or maybe everything was off. can someone help?

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I feel like I'm doing something wrong

>>2681559
>>2681559
sorry, forgot to mention that the hands are intentional in size.

>>2681559
The legs look weird, I think its a perspective problem and/or construction of the hip/waist. and (her right) breast should sag more I think. Just my 2 cents. idfk

>>2681526
fuck you, you made me shit myself

>>2681560
Kinda hard to give much feedback with something as linear as this. You're boxes and cylinders are floating aimlessly. Put them on something.

>>2681559
I think you just need to construct the body a bit more before getting into those contour lines. Right now it's not very solid structurally.

>>2681559
Your frog lady looks like you hardly put effort into it. I'd say since you're asking for help, maybe go through the sticky and grind your fundamentals before you dive into figure drawing. Or frog drawings for that matter.

>>2681560
They look fine. Try next time to draw multiple cubes within the same perspective so you are forced to relate multiple objects to each other in the same scene.

Trying to construct and render without ref. Guidance & feedback is much needed.

>>2681563
>>2681570
>>2681571
I see now, thank you. I think I was neglecting my figure/gesture practices because I was really eager to get into rendering. I appreciate your help.

>>2681560
The boxes are all fine. You're cylinder looks okay as well but the eclipse is off. Try constructing a box where you want the cylinder to end and then fit the eclipse into the square plane of the box.

>>2681578
You really goofed on the proportions of the whole thing. Legs are way too short, the foreshortening on the knee is messed up, the hands also look really tiny. All of your body parts are drawn nice and solid but they don't mesh together well cause they're all different sizes.

>>2681578
his eyes aren't parallel to his nose or his mouth, it looks really jarring

>>2681578
His crotch box made me chuckle, feedback wise. I see you have a beginning level of understanding the human form. Keep studying it and trying to apply it. But your Bruce Lee guy, looks wonky. Do you see it now?

>>2681557
might want to move the mouth down a little. solid rendering, she just has so much chin

>>2681474
thanks for the advice man. The line down the middle was mostly a guide line not anything in particular but i get what you mean, i'll keep that in mind.

So I've heard doing portraits might be too difficult for beginners and that they should start with basic shapes. Is that true? Or should they do portraits anyways?

>>2681585
>looks wonky
very nice crit anon

>>2681589
IMO If you're a beginner and you want to start with portraits, I don't see why not. Your hand won't break if you attempt it. Try it and work from there if that's what interests you.

>>2681583
Thank you, will shift study more on proportion and foreshortening

>>2681586
Thanks senpai
I'm also having trouble structuring the far eye
Every time I try, it just doesn't look like it belongs on the face. Do you have any tips on constructing the eyes from 3/4th perspective? It always give me a rough time.

>>2681578
Don't get caught up in too many details or muscles, or too many values. Think simply, paint simply. Work big to small, work the large masses and get them correct.

>>2681589
It depends on how much of a beginner they are. Total beginners won't have the ability to fine tune the differences between their drawings and the ref, so faces are hard since it's really difficult to capture a likeness. With still lives and fruits at least you can have a viewer point out what kind of object it is, even if you completely mess up.

If you're a beginner who's been at it for a while, try portraits. It'll definitely help you sight proportion more easily.

>>2681596
it's probably because the eyes and eyebrows weren't built on the same line, if that makes sense. So the far eye also isn't parallel to the nose and mouth.

glad i could help, but desu I'm definitely worse than you so I'm not sure how accurate my advice is.

>>2681581
Thank you for that, I actually had no clue what I was doing with the cylinder aside from the converging lines. I'm going to try that out
>>2681566
>>2681574
How's this?

>>2681584
Thank you, after looking at it, i found that my center line is not actually straight. damn it.

>>2681585
i got a question, since the dick is almost always cover by clothing, how far does one study it? also my bruce lee got no nips haha

>>2681603
you have warped perspective here because your vanishing points are too close together. Try putting a vanishing point off-page, far away from the other one. Your perspective will look more natural.

>>2681603
Perspective looks accurate. You might want to try freehand lines instead of using the line tool.

>>2681596
I find drawing a sphere for the far eye first helps. The eye is a ball afterall, so getting that in first and then wrapping the eyelids around that sphere helps I find. My tablet is acting up and I suck at digi lines, but hopefully this helps a bit.

>>2681605
Ah fuck so that's what it was. I'll remember that for next time
>>2681606
No line tool used senpai just 1000 hours in ms paint

>>2681607
diff anon, but thank you for coming to /beg/. even those these aren't my pieces your corrections are actually helping me learn a lot.

>>2681611
Cheers, thanks for that. Nothing worse than taking time to do paintovers/redlines and getting no response. Or actually, getting insulted for it might be worse, that happens sometimes. Glad these are helping people though.

>>2681599
Thank you, that paintover really helps on rendering and proportion.

>>2681607
Holy shit thank you so much! I'll add the changes and post the results.
And you're totally right, I totally forget to use the sphere on the eye
>>2681602
Nah man, your advice is still sound. Thank you for the advice

Can someone explain to me the benefits of constructing objects out of basic shapes?

Is it just better visualization through simplification?

>>2681628
It keeps things drawn correctly--it will have the proper volume, things will be aligned, things will sit in perspective, it will be easier to relate it to other objects and forms in the scene, foreshortening is easier etc. It also helps a lot when it comes to lighting and rendering things.

>>2681632
That helped me make more sense out of it.

Thanks.

>>2680077
Is drawing for fun okay? Because I hear it isn't quite often, but doing drawabox alone is kind of boring.

>>2681648
I know it may seem hard as a beginner to "hear" things and not follow them, but always give things a shot regardless of what other people say.

>doing drawabox alone is kind of boring.
You must not be at the plants yet then, because it gets pretty fun there. (Although it's already fun in the beginning)

>>2680403
>dat left eye
It's not going to bulge out like that if you're looking at it from 3/4ths angle.
your lines are also very messy on this one. the other two you posted were passable, albiet still messy. You should practice more line control

drawabox was fun
perspective made easy was fun
are there any fun books i can go through while taking a break from grinding?

>>2681672
Unless you find books to be fun, then I guess there's a lot. Scotty Robertyson's How to draws are fun.

>>2680077
Is there anything simpler then drawabox?

>>2681678
Why do you ask?

>>2681679
Everything from lesson two onwards is too hard. It's all gibberish to me.

>>2681683
Explain step-by-step what's too hard, I'll try to un-gibberish it for you.

>>2681684
How to make texture, depth and shading.

>>2681524
finished it and no it's not a benis

>>2681683
just move on to peter han's dynamic sketching or do scott robertson's how to draw, they're better guides done by better artists

also check out keys to drawing if you haven't already, it has introductory chapters on each >>2681690 of these subjects

>>2681690
>How to make
You use lines like from lesson 1.
Just make sure to make each line with a purpose. To curve the leaf, to draw a stem, to draw a vein.

>texture
Think of a pattern. Like a striped shirt. Now, when you draw in 3D, patterns are now called textures because they aren't flat. They curve and such to bend with the form of the object like wrinkles on a shirt.

>depth
How far something is relative to something else. Just draw something bigger and something small. Depth. It's more complex than that, but perspective is more or less like that. There's line weight too to emphasize what's closer than the other one.

>shading
The closer your lines are together, the darker they seem from afar. The further they are, the lighter they are. Use this to shade objects with spacing between your shading lines.

>>2681570
hnngggg muh dick!

>>2681663
Yeah I'm only on lesson 3, but I have motivation issues anyway.

>>2681580
Nothing wrong with wanting to render for fun between the grind

>>2681698
That doesn't tell me how they work.

>>2681712
You're not gonna make it, give up. Leave this place. I don't want you beginners here in this thread anymore. This is for cultured people.

>>2681712
They're words to describe the world.

If you want to know how they work, you would have to get into science such as biology. That's much too complex for me to explain.

>I have never posted on /ic/ before

>>2681717
As in how to express them with lines. I know what they are but the process to put them on the page is what I don't get.

>>2681724
Yeah, I can see that.
>didn't read the sticky
>didn't even read the OP of the thread he posts in
>just posts an image for absolutely no reason except to draw attention
Like what do you want? A critique?

>>2681725
http://drawabox.com/article/construction

Did you read this page?

>>2681726
Sorry :(

>>2681729
Yes, but I don't get how you go from a few simple lines to more complex ones. It' like going from riding tricycle to an airplane.

>>2681741
The simple lines are a set up for the whole image, which is why it's called construction. It's like constructing a floor for a house before you can put walls and a roof.

For example in lesson 2, you learn form intersection which is the basic forms, sphere, cube, cylinder, cone and pyramid being put together to form something more complex.

That's what's being done from lesson 2 onwards. You still use what you learned from lesson 1 and 2.

For example, putting a sphere on top of an upside-down cone would make? An ice cream.

Just apply that concept to everything else.

That's the first step is building with those shapes. After that, would be to turn those shapes into an organic form. You can draw over your shapes or draw it next to it, or just visualize the shapes in your head once you're good enough at it.

Remember organic forms are those blobs and sausages in lesson 2 except they aren't just blobs and sausages. For an animal, you might think of the blob as meat, don't think of muscles or anything, just think of a huge lump of meat. That's the basis for an animal.

Now, put a coat of fur, which is texture, over the lump of meat and it's getting to an animal. After that would be to darken some areas to show depth in the form, that light wraps around the form instead of being the same all over it. Shading and depth are kind of together, in that where light doesn't hit is where depth can be seen as well.

>>2680216
What he means by "You're symbol drawing" is that you're not drawing what you see, you're drawing what you know. You've left out major and key defining parts of his face, literally stylizing every part of it, ESPECIALLY the eyes. Read the beginners guide, it tells you about this.

>>2681759
You are so late to the party, like it's already over and you came in the middle of the night a few days later, when I'm sleeping.

>>2681759
It's not even stylizing actually. It's just lack of knowledge.

>>2681762
im sorry did I make your pussy wet so you came back for more harassment?

>>2681750
I think I got that. So I just draw lots of blobs and it'll turn into a bear?

>>2681767
It's both, are you seriously trying to excuse yourself?

>>2681769
p-please harass me more senpai

>>2681767
>lack of knowledge
>drawing what you see

>>2681770
Kind of getting there.

You have to draw a blob in the shape of a bear.

Then put everything else on it like the fur and light.

>>2681774
except you're not drawing what you see

>>2681781
>talking about drawing what you see
>says it's not about drawing what you see

>>2681771
No, I don't think it is because it's not on purpose. If you knew the fundamentals, spent the time grinding off of drawing from real life, THEN went back and removed and simplified your drawings to make them your own with a good foundation, then that would be considered stylizing in my opinion. With this it's just unconscious inability

>>2681780
I kinda get it.

>>2681787
>considered stylizing in my opinion
>in my opinion
We're not talking about opinions here. We're talking about facts.

>>2681790
Well, my advice is to go read the suggested books. I can't help you with your attitude.

>>2681793
>help you
You weren't helping me. I'm not the person that needs help, you are. Stop turning this around.

>>2681805
>being this defensive over your shitty art

either never gonna make it or the master (You) reeler

how do you just reject someone who's trying to guide you like that

>>2680094
tried to be as fast as possible, content with how it turned out, critique is cool

>>2681877
forgot the ear and saw too many small mistakes

>>2680087

I've started practicing landscapes but it always turns into an unreadable mess. Does anyone have tips on how to approach landscape painting?

loomis is haaarrrrdddd

>>2681924
for me landscapes take a lot of devotion

you start out with something similar to what you drew, then you add details upon details upon details until you get something you're comfortable with

also use a smaller brush size

>>2681924

give the eye clear visual cues for distance:
individual grass blades visible in the foreground, trees and patches of grass in the next layer and mountain ridges in the most distant.

>>2681924
If this is too hard, then simply make it simpler and start by painting landscapes black and white. Try to nail down the big shapes first. Look at some landscapes of you favorite artist and look at their strokes, study them. And last but not least practice a ton.

>>2680087

>>2681934
>>2681938
>>2681942
Thanks. I think I'll try working in black and white for now.

Friends I want to do some Gesture drawings. There was a thread with LOTS of images to draw, but now I can't find it.

Where is it?

>>2682009
open catalog
ctrl-f "reference"

>>2682010
ohhh 'reference' was the word I was looking for.

Thanks anon, when I put 'gesture' i didn't get anything.

>>2682048
>anon being so cute
hnngg

i tried redrawing something from when i started hanging here to see if my doodling had improved

>>2682068
When did you start hanging here? Yesterday?

>>2682075
two weeks ago, smartass

>>2681020
Yeah I see that, the picture is straight, I messed up with the upper part of the head and hair

What do you think

>>2682136
I think there is a lot of symbol drawing and that you should draw more to get rid of it

>>2682068
no improvement, just more effort

how do i make drawings with better proportions? everything I make seems wonky as fuck

heres a few quick sketches of my therapist

>>2682166
ignore the head, i didnt even try

>>2682167
robots @ work vol 1

>>2681570
thank you

woman

Is it bad to copy from stylized art for learning?

Should i copy exclusively from life?

How do you feel about artists who only drew fanart and despite only drawn less than 5 times per character, yet still manages to get everything right down to proportions, perspective etc. all while using this method?

>>2680094

>>2682199
Copying from life will help you a lot more in getting better as a beginner, it trains your eye and gets you to think responsibly about the fundies you'll be tackling down the road.

You can still copy anime or whatever for fun, but I don't think it'll be of much help until you get good enough to stylize your own stuff and can understand what's going on in what you're copying.

>>2682219
Noted. I did that one for fun, i don't want to get bad habits and just copy anime fanart. Thanks for the heads up.

>>2680077
So is "drawing on the right side of the brain" the best place for me to start? I downloaded it but was somewhat putoff by the need for all the weird viewfinders and the like. I bought the black card anyways but I'm not sure where to find a sheet of acrylic plastic.

>>2682267
I'd recommend "Keys to drawing" more if you want a practical approach that gets you drawing in the first pages of the book.

>>2682267
>>2682276
definitely keys to drawing

>>2680094

>>2682276
>>2682294
Thanks guys, I wasn't liking the look of drawing on the right side of the brain so I will try this book instead.

>>2682318
"right side of the brain" is a meme book. It's basically an ad pamphlet for the courses this woman shills.

>>2682327
It wouldn't surprise me, I was already really sceptical because of all the pseudoscience the book had going on.

any tips with this rough drawing before i go balls deep with details?

How do I fill in skin on Manga Studio 5? Jesus christ I had to use the paintbrush.

>>2682329
The eyes aren't aligned with one another; they're at different heights.

The nose look a bit flat...
I like your lines htough

>>2682334
thanks anon, i'll try fix that up

>>2682329
anon, it's a mess, don't bother to detail it. You would be way better of doing keys to drawing or reading loomis.

>>2682329
seconding this >>2682386

Seriously senpai, your head is so fucked.

>>2681759
>>2681762
>>2681769
You guys are both retarded. I'm the guy who drew the original "symbol drawn" black guy. Both of you accusing each other of being me in order to win an argument. Grow up man. If one of you is the original guy who sperged at me, God help you. That was days ago and you're still thinking about it?

>>2682312
Mouth slid off the center line, should be more in line with the nose. Not sure what happened with the ear. Good nose and brow ridges and the picture's nice to look at.
>>2682329
Like the other guy said, your head is fucked. Don't bother with details at your stage anon. Just practice the method, and watch some facial feature tutorials because you've symbol drawn everything. I suggest Proko on youtube

>>2682413
Loomis man. Even though it's heavily stylized, there are fundamental problems. Eyes are misplaced, mouth and nose are misplaced, hand perspective is fucked. Breasts are misplaced (her left is plain gone), shading is all off, no defined light source.

>>2682415

>>2682419
Doesn't look like you fixed anything.

>>2682413
>>2682419
>fixing the b
AUTISM

>>2682420
>>2682435

>>2682442
you monsterr

>>2682442
At this point posting that image three times with no text is not only a rule violation but constitutes at shitposting.
>>2682331
I use the g pen for base color and the airbrush/blending tool for value.

trying to get proportions right and a little bit of shading. the legs feel off, I'm thinking it's either because his torso is too long or his legs are. any advice is appreciated.

>>2682507

>>2682510
resized

>>2682507
His legs are way to short. Other than that a lot of small proportion errors, you need to compare everything to everything.

>>2682575
even though what he said is true, his try to make it better wasn't really better...

>>2682575
thanks for the feedback. i'm using the keys to drawing trick where you measure with your pencil... and its already ten times better than any figure I've ever drawn.

I can see how the legs are too short now, and also the problems with the arms. Thank you!

>>2682594
It's a beginner thread, he might know what's wrong with the image but not have the skill or inclination to red line it.

>>2682610
Have you heard of the 8 head scale? Very useful

>>2682719
Yeah! I've only skimmed through Lumis so far and I've seen that part, but I haven't put it into use yet. Trying to work through Keys of Drawing first, but maybe I could work on both simultaneously.

Looking at my picture now, I can see that the head is too big, his forearms and hands are too small and his chest is too big. Here's a slight rework, still trying to figure out the head and legs though.

Amateur spriter here. I wanna make a game; how do these sprites look?

>>2682745
Personally I don't see a point in learning to draw without loomis. If you aren't constructing the human form through 3D shapes you're basically just symbol drawing. It's not like you can't get a pleasing looking image without fundamentals but you'll plateau hard.
>>2682776
Looks good bro, hard to give much of a critique without knowing anything about the game though

>>2682776
They look just as you say, amateur.
You seem to lack the pro feel and I don't know enough about spriting to fix it.

>>2682776
they look like you used Pokemon as a reference

>>2682776
Nice designs, colorful, lots of character.

They look a bit flat, like paper dolls.
Dither some shadows if you want more form, will make them somewhat less cartoony though.

Lay down a drop shadow and that should help you see how to improve the shading.

Rework your outlines until they feel orgasmic. They arent jaggy bad but they arent flawless smooth either.

Alright, what'd I fuck

>>2682809
Not reading the OP for one, not going to critique you until you do, either.

>>2682811
whoopsies
stored photoshop image size from another thingie

>>2682785
mmm, I guess so. perhaps im getting ahead of myself here.

>>2682776
most of them look like fanmade pokemon, like everyone told you in the pixel art thread.

I'm familiar with GIMP. Reasonably so and comfortable with it.

Is there any advantage in learning a different studio program, EG Manga Studio?

>>2682908
>>2682908
>>2682908

NEW THREAD

>>2682908
>>2682908
>>2682908

>>2682068
Definitely looks better.

here's some of the shit I did when I was supposed to be writing Python...

>>2681691
2001 A Space Phallacy

what does ic think of my drawing?

>>2681896
This made me lean forward at my monitor to get a better look, very good job anon