/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2666437
Is fanart degenerate?

How do I actually prove, with my art, that I'm better than you?

How do i have good posture while drawing on a flat surface?
what is proper table/chair height?

>>2666491

What's a tablet?

>>2666494
And yet no scientific data to backup any of that shit.

>>2666502
Anecdotal, though

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11530863/iPad-neck-Huge-rise-in-back-and-neck-pain-among-youth.html

>The number of young people seeking help for back or neck pain has risen 60 per cent in the past year, driven by sedentary lifestyles and the use of technology

http://comicsalliance.com/artists-drawing-injuries/

>Being a comic book artist is a physically taxing job. Long hours sitting at the literal drawing board (whether drawing on paper or digitally) can strain muscles in the back, neck, and shoulders; repetitive motions inflame tendons in the arms. Combine this demanding work with the life of a freelancer, which, in the United States, does not come with any form of health care, and you’ll realize that many comics artists are living one injury away from economic disaster. An injury will not only cost money to treat, it will also cost time as it heals — time that could be spent drawing — resulting in lost income.

>This is a reality I’ve heard from many comics artists of my acquaintance: Drawing hurts. From general soreness to serious repetitive stress injuries that cause permanent damage, pain always eventually accompanies art.

>“Chronic muscle pains, knots, tightness, in my back, shoulders, chest and neck.” This is the catalog of pains related by Jamie McKelvie that he attributes to drawing professionally. “For years my set-up was bad and my posture poor, and drawing comics require very long hours, so even though I’ve been taking measures to address it, it’s a very slow process to try to free myself from pain.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1nsp5CnvVQ

Just sit ergonomically and stretch everyday, not hard.

>>2666522
>anecdotal evidence
>hearsay
>sensationalism

You do know what scientific means, right?

>>2666447
Usually you just have really good rendering and that's enough to scare off other people. If you draw characters, make sure to have good proportions, anatomy, etc.

How do I get a following?

>>2666649
[(furry+CP+fanart)(weeb]/# of blogs=following

>>2666556
Yes I do, that's why I used the term "anecdotal".

So are you saying that tennis elbow or neck pain are not caused or exacerbated by hunching over your work surface like Quasimodo or reaching out like Stretch Armstrong in order to maintain an elevated arm position for an extended period of time? Or are you telling me to go look for a peer-reviewed scientific study relating to the use of a very specific niche electronic device that likely doesn't exist because what is known based on similar, more ubiquitous devices isn't enough for you my, family man?

http://loish.net/faq/

>Most of my work is created on my workstation, which consists of:

>A Cintiq 24HD

https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Cintiq-24HD-Touch-DTH2400/dp/B009CHADQI

>September 17, 2012

http://blog.loish.net/post/80923191247/struggling-with-an-injury-story-and-advice

>The diagnosis is tennis elbow. This means that the tendons connecting my forearm muscles to my elbow are inflamed. The odd thing about this is that it doesn’t necessarily have to result in elbow pain. Because of how important this tendon is to all of your forearm, wrist and finger movements, the symptoms spread over the arm. My primary symptoms have been sore forearm and upper arm muscles, a tightness in my elbow muscles that creates a dull ache, and weakness (to the point where holding a tablet pen was causing my entire arm to shake). I’ve been lucky to have struggled mostly with a frustrating, annoying soreness, rather than actual pain as such. But something is definitely wrong.

>March 27 2014

wew!

>>2666649
Someone clicks follow for your blog.

Is there anyway to see Aguri's art? He is the author of this guide I found from the sticky:

https://a.pomf.cat/uoihiq.pdf

>>2666657

I realize that "correlation doesn't equal causation" and that this model of Cintiq isn't necessarily her first ( I might ask her just for laughs) but I thought it was a funny coincidence.

>>2666671
Who is this anyways? People hardly mention it. But the guide is great.

>>2666712
That's what I am kinda asking haha, I'd love to see this guy's pics.. Just to see where this way could lead to. I like the guide too, mostly because of its linearity.

>>2666687
>>2666718
an old thread said it's this guy http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1981851 I can't be totally sure

Is there guide anywhere on how to study the work of the old masters? I don't really know where to start with it.

>>2667075
Read Hale's Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters, He goes through a bunch of topics related to drawing through examining old master drawings. It'll give you an idea as to how to analyze pieces

>>2667075
Here you go, this is GOAT tier practice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSJmcUPjIcY

If you wish to practice making a copy then do big shapes then go into the little details. Its a great method, use it less you want to mistakenly draw the proportions all messed up. Another thing is learning to see in color, but that's a bit more advanced.

>>2666728
Good enough for me and he's still active. I'll look up to him as an idol now.

>>2667083
>>2667084
Thank you!!

>>2666443
Are biscuits degenerate?

I need to do some painting for my portfolio.
I have some acrylic paints, but I feel like I can't control them, and that trying to thin them down with water fucks my whole shit up.

Should I go out and buy some oil paints? I can paint digitally and draw with a range of materials, but when I paint I feel like a child.

What are some good tutorials or guides for learning how to fucking paint?

what do i do when I feel overwhelmingly envious and depressed with myself when looking at better artists than me?

>>2667107
Look at their work with a keen eye, observe their brushstrokes. Pick a detail and study it, see if you can copy a little part of it.
You can learn shit that way, even if studying from life is better

When you're gud, how do you find work online?

Any recommendations on books or guides for drawing clothes?

>>2667116
You look for the place you want to work.
Send portfolio.
Or just hold up a sign saying you want to be hired with a kick ass portfolio.

>>2667103
You can use water but you need to keep it to a minimum (always have more paint than water). Or you can buy mediums or additives that will thin your paint. Also keep your brushes in mind, you're not going to be moving thick paint very well with a really soft brush.

If you have decent quality paints you should use them rather than spend loads of money on oils when you don't know how to paint. Learning on acrylics or gouache before you move on to oil will be a much cheaper investment.

>>2667116
Promoting yourself is a fucking absolute MUST if you want to easily find work.

Make social media accounts. Facebook, twitter, instagram etc. Everything.

Be cautious of what's trending and make art about it. Pokemongo is trending? Make some fan art. Spread it around.

Reblog other artists and try to make connections. Be friendly.

Biggest point is also to stay unique. Try and see what you can do that most people hasn't seen yet.

>>2667162
Hm yeah so you mean like "I want to work at Blizzard" or some shit...but let's say you don't have the level for big names, but you're still good enough for most normal people to pay you for your stuff, is there some sort of network for selling fanart, freelancing illustrations, etc?
Or maybe some lesser companies that are known for hiring?

>>2667174
Yeah, I see. Good points. Just making that should be enough to keep momentum and attract good stuff.

>>2667180
It kind of depends on what you're going for really, I couldn't tell you the specifics without knowing. Although, since you mention Blizzard, a gaming company, you could probably hit up indie studios or non-AAA studios. Generally, you find their website and cater yourself to them so they understand that you're a strong asset they need. Once you get on their team, make sure to do extremely good work and just basically bust your ass off for them since the only real network I know is by word of mouth. If they talk to other people and it spreads, you'll find yourself in good hands eventually. If you don't want to do in-studio work and like mean freelance, it's a bit more difficult since you lack the trust, but it's somewhat the same in that you just need to get noticed, not by fans, but by the employers. They're always checking blogs so, make sure to have high quality work on display at all times. I imagine you could go to a hiring agency or a producer that could help hook you up with a starting job, I don't know how that works out, but I've heard other people do it before.

I just watched a thing and British people pronounced van gogh very different from the way my amurrican self has always heard it pronounced (van GO). what's the deal? I assumed automatically the Brits were using the correct pronunciation. I know nothing of Dutch.

>>2667197
If it doesn't sound like you have something stuck in your throat, you're pronouncing it wrong.

What are some good artists to study how they apply perspective?
So far on my list is
>Krenz Cushart(for figure drawing using perspective)
>Kim Jung Gi(for figure drawing using perspective)
>Craig Mullins(for large scenes)
>Scott Robertson(for mechanical drawings)

Any suggestions would be appreciated, even specific paintings.

>>2668209
Erik Olsen

How do I do still lifes?

>>2668310
already have his perspective course, im more talking about art i can copy and study from

>>2668209
Paperblue is good at getting scale and space in his images.

If you just want pure perspective scenes though check out some comic books and their artists. Moebius is probably the most obvious answer, but there are other artists or specifics works (Blacksad I recall had some great set design and perspective).

How do i do the thing?

>>2668730
draw-a-box = ISIS

Been meaning to ask this for a while. Should I practice drawing circles one way or both ways?

>>2668779
why does it fucking matter, youre drawing a circle
jesus christ man
holy shit

>>2668779
Both ways, you'll thank me later.
Learn to draw lines every way too.

>>2666437
I have major exams coming up in a month (account for 50% of my total grades) yet I feel a strong urge to start drawing (I'm a beginner)

Should I focus on my exams first or drawing? Focusing on both doesn't really help me in both areas.

>>2668788
Your exams, I made the same mistake.

>>2667150
>>2667150
Human Swastika by Burne Hoghart.

There's also the Cliff Young book.

Do colleges usually let students use their art studios when they don't have classes? I don't know if they'd let me do anything because I'm not an art major but the art center I used to go to for classes had free days for people to come in and use their equipment or work on projects.

Is it worth it to draw along with Proko's youtube videos or is there important stuff behind the pay wall?

It would be my first time doing a video course

>>2666437

Any other beginner here with the sensation of heavyness and slight headaches until sleeping? I assume it's my brain evolving braincells for the new task of drawing, I perceived my ability to impose images on things more solidly is growing, kinda surprising. Hope my training is paying up

noob question

Anyone wanna explain the differences between figure drawing and gesture?

>>2670636
>figure drawing

-Anatomy
-Proportion
-Perspective
-Accuracy

>gesture drawing

-Line of action
-Movement
-Generalization
-Speed
-Impression of form

>>2670079

from what I hear the paid stuff is negligible

Aka he's ripping people off.

>>2669197
In my college we had open studio hours that let anyone enrolled in an art class come in and use the space which I often took advantage of even though I wasn't an art major. This was not really strictly enforced and usually the TAs who unlocked the room would let us stay as long as we liked so long as we tidied up after ourselves and locked the door when we left. Also they never really checked to see if everyone there was enrolled in a course, so I would be free to invite non-artist friends to see/hang out. As long as you don't cause any problems, steal, or leave the place a mess they were fairly easy-going about the whole thing.

What sort of brushes does this guy use for colouring and drawing, or what brushes can emulate that sort of brush in photoshop cs6?
aosora-sky on deviant art in case you wanna look more

>>2670642
>from what i hear

Its great you mong

>>2670670
$70 for a couple extra photosets and some drawing demos with no sound? Yeah no thanks

How do you go about rendering so it doesn't end up looking like some autistic, terminally ill cancer patient did it?

Any tutorials, advice or books that cover up the basics?

My goal is to achieve something like pic related, as a FIRST milestone... I'm planning on getting better.

>>2666657

I am currently experiencing on and off pain in my wrist. More than likely from drawing and being on the computer, naturally.

What would you recommend to alleviate the pain? I am very much concerned that I won't be able to draw any more while I have a long, long, LONG way to improve.

How do I shadow colored surfaces? I end up guessing and tweaking hues and sats everytime, that halfway to black thing doesn't seem to apply well outside of grayscale

>>2670707
Keep your arms and hands relaxed all the time, don't push them against the desk, look at stretching exercises against wrist/arm pain.

>>2670809
I remember reading something like "all shadows have a little blue on them"

Read the Scott Robertson's book "how to render" and study from life and from photo reference.

What is better Krita or Sia?

What software do I use to make this kind of animation?

Do I have enough variety in acrylic paint to do a painting?

I have:

5 200 mL tubes:
Burnt Umber
Cadmium Red(medium hue)
Phthalo Blue
Cadmium Yellow (medium hue)
Emerald Green

12 12 mL tubes of:
Lemon Yellow
Yellow Ochre
Vermillion
Crimson Red
Pthalo Blue
Ultramarine Blue
Viridan
Emerald Green
Burnt Sienna
Burnt Umber
Black
Zinc Titanium White

>>2670984

I'm surprised after all this time we don't have a flood of these kinds of animations from DA kiddies. Probably because there is no software crack yet and or the UI takes a curve to learn.

>>2667172
On a related note, does anyone know of any good resources for gouache?

>>2670984
http://www.live2d.com/en/products/cubism_editor

Does having a worse than average sight affect a lot my drawing skills/potential? My sight is just barely good enough for me to get a car license without having to get glasses (0.5 in both eyes). I see things clearly, shit is not blurred to the point everything looks airbrushed but I do see things a lot more ''HD'' when I have lenses. I have only problems with long distance sight, my short distance sight is fine.

I will get glasses anyway just to maximize my observational drawing potential. It's just that I am absolute beginner so I'm wondering if I should wait that I get glasses before starting to practice or does having a pretty bad sight affect at all in the beginning?

>>2666437
http://pastebin.com/0KQLYJ5Q

>>2671021

That is insane. No. You're fine with glasses.

Unless you're sight makes you markedly impaired to live, I mean. Maybe then.

I started on Fun With A Pencil recently and I'm trying to work on getting gud with Blook balls. I'm struggling most with variations that have the head tilted downward, the placements of the lower parts of the head like the chin and mouth are always fucked. Any tips on what to do to get better at those sorts of angles?

>>2671021
Why wouldn't you wear glasses while drawing? It's not like it's cheating man.

>>2671036
I will get them. I'm just wondering if I should delay practicing till I get them.

I remember once hearing about a way where you can divide, say, a photo reference into a certain number of flat values.

So say I wanted to take a photo and convert it to show only "Pure black, a 5 value midtone, and pure white." I could do that. I don't remember how or if I'm just imagining it weirdly.

I know that just killing saturation and upping contrast can get you to a black vs white but I could've sworn there was a way to do it with more values in between.

Anyone know how? Say in photoshop.

>>2671123
A Posterize Adjustment Layer sort of does that. I think there is a better way, but I forget how

>>2666437
How the fuck do I stop my heads from looking fucking cartoony even when I copy shit from Hampton my shit looks well like shit

>>2671017
Is there another software like this one? Nips make terrible interfaces

How do I draw smooth lineart digitally? Whatever I try, it always ends up looking choppy and pixelly, unless I draw massive honking lines. I know a lot of people draw everything huge and then shrink it down to hide the flaws, but I'd like to avoid that if possible.

>>2671130

That's exactly what I was after, thanks a ton. If you do remember the other way though I'll be keeping an eye on the thread.

How does one draw the sphere hexagon thing in the left of pic related? I'm trying to analyze it and I'm still able to get anything

>>2671123
If you're just trying to get a color palette out of an image, there are a lot of ways to do that. You can save for web > gif, lower the number of colors until you get a simplified enough palette, then manually delete the ones you don't want from the color table. You can also resize an image way down using nearest neighbour sampling, then scale it back up.
Or you can use any of the near-infinite apps out there.

>>2671183

It's more for trying to get a feel for values and composition, I find it interesting to look at works done by competent artists and see the value structure, and how much you can break it down and still have it be recognizable. I'm also reading Framed Ink to try and learn composition right now, and a lot of his work is very graphic in a sort of 3 or 4 value style, so I'm trying to learn to get a similar effect.

It's a shame that lots of pictures of works by masters online have the contrast blown out, which sort of makes it less effective.

That said, your advice is useful in a different but equally helpful way, so thank you for that as well!

>>2671163
The only solution is to work larger

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'll shoot.

My dad's an engineer and draftsman, and in his 60's. He uses AutoCAD but what he doesn't like about it and other CAD programs for 2D drafting I guess is that it's all click and drag, manually inserting lines and shapes.

He asked me if a drafting program exists where with a tablet he can freely draw his designs on a grid, rather than set points for the program to draw for him. Like, rather than telling AutoCAD, "Hey, there's the dimensions of the circle I want drawn, make it," he can just draw the circle himself and set the scale of it.

Now, I know nothing about this stuff. I don't really know what I'm talking about, but if there's anyone here that might know a bit about this stuff, I may as well ask. Is there software like that that exists?

sorry if this is a super dumb question or anything

>>2671177
You draw it like it looks man. It's a hexagonal prism.

>>2671326
It's not a hexagonal prism bud. First it's got 5 sides and the shapes a dodecahedron.

>>2671322
illustrator does that, I think the pencil tool can be locked to grid. I don't know if it outputs into anything cad can use

>>2671322
It's been a long time since I've touched AutoCAD, but I remember that problem. As I recall you can draw lines and geometric primitives and have them snap to a grid in just about any drafting program or vector graphics program. I did all my college CAD homework in QCAD, which is free and more intuitive than AutoCAD to work with. It's strictly 2D and the interface is practically MSPaint compared to AutoCAD. It's nowhere near as powerful, but I found it easy enough to use coming from traditional. If he's not looking to do exact drafting work, Autodesk Sketchbook Pro is a raster graphics program that does a great job of emulating traditional drawing tools with an intuitive UI.

Here's a screenshot from QCAD's website.

how does one find motivation when they are depressed? very few things excite me today. used to look forward to music releases, games, tv shows, but now everythings is shit these days. and then when you find things that you like, you dont appreciate them as much as you did when you were younger.

Is there a good resource to learn from for drawing environments/landscapes?

Every time I try I feel completely lost in how I should start.

>>2671402

This book. I know you're probably asking on how to do it from imagination, but honestly you need to study the real thing. It has some great info on how to simplify.

I have a question about the size of tablet because right now I have wacom intuos 4 M and 24'' monitor and i feel like i don't have any control over my lines etc. so is buying bigger tablet like huion giano WH1409 or used intuos 4 L a good option or is it only me who's shit and i just need to learn to control it?

>>2671451
It's you who's shit.

Im trying to remember a method i read about where the artist did an underpainting by doing different values separately and bashing them together, giving it a sort of a look like the attached. (Soft porcelain-ish?). They did it digitally.
I don't recall there being much of a benefit, but it was interesting nevertheless .

Best printer paper for drawing?

>>2671710
paper you fuck any paper

I know this is a bit of a tough question but does anyone know any cool tutorial torrents I can get from the CG torrent site? I got an invite and I've no idea what to get, there's so much stuff I KNOW there's got to be something really good for me here.

Beginner level, btw. But any cool "must have" tutorials or courses are appreciated.

>>2671726
Everything in Aguri's guide to be honest.
There's Ctrl paint's rendering too.
CGMA stuff.
Should last you a while before you need more.

>>2671727
Sorry I don't browse /ic/ much, Aguri's guide? I see a lot of CGMA stuff, I'll try to wade through it and see if I can find anything nice. Any more info on that Aguri's guide?

>>2671731
Scratch that, google did it for me. Aguri's one year of fundamentals. Thanks for the help!

>>2671689
It's called ambient occlusion (AKA witchcraft)

>>2671734
Yeah thats the shit, thank you.

What are the diferences between all the photoshop versions? Which one is the best / most current?

I just saw the clip studio paint at 60%discount, is that as low as it gets or they do make bigger discounts?

>doing gestures
>finally start to FEEEEEEL it, as the meme old man said to
>this pose comes up
>my smile and optimism: gone
how the fuck do I gesture this thing??

>>2671752
flip the image, view it from a different perspective.

>>2666437
How do i git gud at drawing anatomy? when other artists shit on me, my anatomy is the only thing they give me shit for when they are not trying to be mean.

>>2671752

I started to FEEL IT early today drawing some dinossaurs after trying to draw people all week. Must be because I have drawn dinos all my infancy, so my inner child rejoiced to be free again.

>>2671758
Draw more with an emphasis on studying the human form.

Honestly the only advice you really need is "(insert thing) more"
Wanna paint better? Paint more
Wanna draw better? Draw more
Wanna cook better? Cook more
Wanna draw people better? Draw more people (From reference).

Unless you really hit a wall and you cant seem to get around it you should just draw and draw as much as you can from reference.
Kim jung gi is spectacular at human form because he studies it and takes note of it, he WANTS to know how it works so he can translate that to paper. Just do more. Do so fucking much.

>>2671769
Maybe i knew the answer all along....and just needed someone to tell me. Thank you.

>>2671743
It was on sale for $15 a couple years ago when I bought it, but I don't know when/if they'll do that again.

>>2670707

Dutchfag here,
Is Willem de Kooning Kunst Academie worth it?
I'm planning on doing Illustration there in about two years and I don't know.

>>2666671

Is this a legit guide? I feel I'm old as shit and have been doodling aimlessly for maybe 20 years and don't know spit. So I figured for the remainder of this year I'd buck down to fundamentals anyway.

But this structure seems like a good way to go.

Is Proko /ic/ approved? I really like his videos, they are helpful but I just want to make sure I'm not falling to a beginner trap or anything.

What's that word for frivolous, nonsensical detailing? Like when someone draws a machine full of random pipes and gears that are just there to look machine-y and aren't part of functioning system? It's too obscure for google to decipher and it's bugging me.

>>2672278
As long as it's not Jazza or Crilley, then you're fine

Any video series or courses I can torrent on the essentials of digital painting that aren't Crtl Paint?

>>2671153
>Download a bunch of high-res pictures of heads.
>Open picture in photoshop.
>Opacity to 20%
>New layer
>Start drawing Loomis head over the picture.
>Notice every detail you can while doing that.
>Finish, take your time to analize the whole thing. You don't need to save that.
>Repeat x100 times.

You can print all pictures and trace directly over them. Remember to think in 3D while doing that, remeber to simplify into basic forms, etc...

Make sure you remember the proportions. Write down all you can (I.E: "Chin is about the same widht as nose, eyes are x distance below the hair line..."

Hi guys

>got my huion giano this week
>works in photoshop CS6 just fine, but without pen pressure (not even in the pressure test)
>update drivers n'shit
>pen pressure works now
>photoshop crashes every time I touch it with pen

Krita doesn't fuck me up like this, but it sucks that I can't use photoshop now that I have LazyNezumi and all that. Anyone got the same problem?

>>2672447
This is why you don't get a huion.

>>2671350
>>2671356
>>2671357
Thank you so much for the great answers, I'll use your suggestions as best I can!

QCAD looks really neat, and the interface is simple which is good for my old man. I'll bring it up with him and hopefully it might be helpful

Crosshatching on a face, y/n? Say the face is about an inch or inch and a half across in physical size on the paper. I know you can hatch easy on larger drawings, but would it overwhelm a smaller size face?

>>2672699

I should mention I only have a .5 pen (or is it .05?) so it's not the thinnest.

What's the way to understand drawing hair? I get that I should be looking at the fact it clumps together, and that it flows like fabric, but I can't seem to wrap my head around it as a volume still.

Is there a particular method of constructing it that I'm missing?

>>2671752
How do you not see the two fuck huge sweeping arcs?!
Look at her arms! Look at her torso!
Curve of the back to a sharp corner for the legs. Curve of the arms. Draw the head and boom you're on your way.

>>2672928
I imagine it as a cubical jello that's flexible rather than fabric.

>>2672933
Too late, I've already done it yesterday. Putting some perspective guide lines helped

Can anyone recommend some good poseable figures to practice life drawing from? Does one even exist? I see that one revoltech that looks like a greek statue posted sometimes but I can't find it online.

For someone who has taken drawing classes before, is drawabox good for touching up on fundamentals you feel you may have missed in them (because your professor in drawing 1 was more concerned with expression than technique)?

How do I last longer while drawing? Keys to Drawing first exercise for example, says to take at least half an hour drawing your feet. But always do it in like five. Even of I just stare at my feet

>>2670707
Switch to your non-drawing hand when using the mouse, and/or download an auto-click program.

Get up and walk around every 30 minutes

Exercise your arms

I had wrist pain too, it's all gone now. Also, try not to stress about it; stress WILL make pain worse. Easier said than done, of course.

>>2673539
Are you just doing contour drawings or are filling in the values too?

Will I learn anything from going to life drawing sessions as a beginner? or should I just stick to photos for the time being? Keep in mind that theres no advice given in the class.

>>2673671
Only contours like in the example. Should I be filling values?

>>2673752
You should have a reason if you're gonna go. A focus. Maybe you can get another artist's help if you go. Just ask around.

>be straight
>start studying anatomy
>look at pictures of burly dudes all day
>become gay
Is anyone else in the same boat as me?

>>2673843
>turning gay because you look at pictures of dudes
Lmao
You were always a poofter you just didn't know it

>>2673847
>le you can't become gay meme
don't tell me you actually believe that

>>2673856
Fuck off poofter

>>2673847

Why is it that people can develop fetishes for all sorts of bizarre shit (look at /d/ - you can't say they're just naturally into some of that shit) but the idea you develop a fetish for men is too crazy?

>>2673871

If you like dickgirls, you're nothing but a faggot in denial. It's that simple

>>2673942

/d/ isn't just dickgirls, you know.

It's just mostly dickgirls.

If I create a facebook page for my art on my existing account, does it tie to my personal account in any way?

Say I didn't want my art stuff and my personal stuff intermixed - would it be a problem?

Does everyone get good by things peoce by peice laying out skelatons ect in basic shapes, or can someone become good simply from drawing from imagination, like if my vizualization in my head is good enough can i skip drawing eveything put in bits and peices?

>>2674159
>like if my vizualization in my head is good enough can i skip drawing eveything put in bits and peices?

Once you're a good artist, yes, you can oftentimes skip construction, because you've done it enough that it's intuitive and you can basically visualize the basic shapes without actually drawing them in.
Until then, do construction. Plenty of shit artist are full of good ideas, the craft is putting it on paper, and that takes a fuckton of practice. Skipping crucial steps to learn how to draw (construction from basic shapes among them) because you think "oh but I know EXACTLY how I want it to look!" will fail 99 times out of 100. You might think it's a waste of time, but unless you're a prodigy you'll waste less time learning to do it right than you will by doing it wrong for ages and trying to brute force it.

In either case though, try it your way. You'll see the results, and if you like those results do your thing. If you don't like your results, do what almost all art teachers recommend and learn your basics.

>>2674167
Thanks for reping despite all the typos.
Intrinsically part of me probs already knew that but didnt wan to admit to my self.

>>2672935
Thanks anon, I'll try it that way. It seems like it'll make more sense.

>>2673942
What if they have both?

I'm not into futa, corruption and tentacles are more my thing, but I have to ask.

I really really suck and want to git gud. I finally got a job and am able to buy some books, but want recommendations on which to get (pic related is what I'm looking at now.)

Keep in mind my end goal is to be a cartoonist/animator. So does /ic/ know which books would lead me on the right path to greatness?

>>2674250

We have a sticky with standard recommendations and, unless it isn't up right now, a book thread with a link to hundreds of art books.

If you want to buy one and you're just starting, get Keys to Drawing. It's basically like Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain with all the pseudoscience fluff cut out.

Can anyone advise me on tablet buying? I have a wacom cintiq at the moment, but because of developing RSI I've been considering buying a desk tablet to see if it improves my posture. So I was considering going wacom again and getting an Intuos. Is this a good choice? Does it really matter? Are most tablets on the market comparably good?

>>2674299

Also, I'm thinking of the consumer intuos which has 1024 pressure levels as opposed to the 2000 of my current tablet. But I'm not convinced this will make that much difference. Does anyone have experience with the different pressure levels?

>>2674311
The pressure levels don't matter, it's just a numbers thing to sound good but there's no real difference.

>>2674250
Ignore whatever anyone here says and go learn perspective. It's literally the number 1 most important thing every beginner should learn

>>2666443

does this argument make sense

>>2674167
>tfw shit artist and no good ideas

Is art school worth it?

>>2666437
Is there some website, or series of websites, that's essentially an archive of things/pictures/people/places to draw?
I know there are those few gesture sites, but I'm not entirely fond of them.

>>2668480
you put shit on a table and draw it targeting specific things you are trying to work on

Why did some people make it while most didn't even come close?
Why am I in my mid-twenties and can not draw anything appealing or remarkable?
What makes them so different from me?
Are people like myself never meant to be artists?

>>2674742
Because it's all about time spent. Those who aren't even close, haven't even spent a fraction of the time of those who have made it.

Age has nothing to do with it, you probably just suck at drawing. It's alright, it's a technical skill, so you can learn how to do draw.

Who? Those who made it? Well, they've drawn way more than you have. They've clocked in over thousands of hours. How much have you done?

Anyone can be artist as long as they're willing to try. It's not easy and really not for everyone, but you can try and that still counts

Should one start drawing/painting digitally or traditionally?

>>2674805
Do whatever, as long as you draw, it doesn't matter. When you start working on your fundamentals, it's a bit easier to transition from traditional to digital because you see things for how they are and not because of what a program told you.

>>2674710
Depends on what you mean by
>worth it
You seem to imply something, but I don't want to make assumptions.

>>2674325
Proof?

>>2674475
That's also a pretty vague explanation of what to do. There's more than just 1-point, 2-point, 3-point, but whether they know that or not is based on what information they get their hands on. They just don't know how big the scope is yet.

>>2673257
Go for it, you can't go wrong with dynamic sketching.

>>2670655
You could just ask them.

>>2670684
Just keep practicing. You see mistakes and fix them.

Search DA, patreon, instagram, tumblr, pintrest, internet is huge for basics. Advanced concepts not so much, but still there.

That looks pretty difficult for a first milestone, but that's alright. Push yourself to improve. Post in the beginner thread if you need help too.

>>2670979
Difficult question, needs more context.

Better in terms of?

>>2671032
Just keep drawing them. You eventually come to understand them. It's like magic really, just clicks out of nowhere.

>>2671395
Think more positively rather than negatively. It seems simple, but it helps. One step at a time.

>>2671741
Adobe site tells you that.

Is learning the fundamentals on a screenless tablet going to hurt me in the longrun?
Would transitioning back to a physical medium or a screened tablet be difficult?

>>2675014

No, the fundamental knowledge transcends whether you're looking at your computer monitor, a piece of paper or a screened tablet.

Transitioning from one to the other will take a bit of adjustment in hand-eye coordination - and at least in my experience you'll always have a bit more precision with paper/screened tablet - but that's all. So basically the only fundamental skill that'd be impacted by the transition would be line control, and that adjustment is usually not that bad. You won't suddenly become worse at anatomy composition or color theory because you changed mediums.

>>2675050
Good point.
In a similar way, I transitioned from paper to unscreened tablet easy enough.

How do people find landscapes fun? Landscape lovers, what do you enjoy about it?

So I shit up my Intuos Pro's pen after like a week of use. Just got a replacement pen, but it's a cheaper version. How do I start using it? Or is the tablet just supposed to automatically sense it?

Because if it IS supposed to, then I'm screwed because it ISN'T. I had a feeling this might happen. Is the "Wacom Intuos Pen (LP190k) just no compatible with the Intuos Pro tablet?

For those that have gotten past the learning stage of drawing, how do I keep my motivation? I don't have enough confidence in my abilities to try drawing what I really want to draw, but it's difficult for me to keep motivated to practice shapes and whatnot.

Currently, I'm trying to go through the "Draw A Box" website's "Plants" lesson, but I'm kind of losing interest. Should I try mixing it up and moving to a different learning tool? I'm mainly interested in drawing people, but I do want to know the fundamentals for later.

>>2675337
>gotten past the learning stage of drawing
lol wut

But really, I feel ya. The beginning is the hardest since you can't make anything you like.
You might try moving to drawing figures for a while, look at Proko or Vilppu or something. That's more focused on your goal.

Do go back to DAB later, it will help you at least up to lesson 6. You can also try skipping ahead to insects (lesson 4) since I found them more fun and less tedious than plants.

I can't wrap my head around drawing mugs from below shit's fucking me up good

>>2675299
I've used a pen from a bamboo I got in 2007 on my 13 hd cintiq fine, should be compatible desu. Sure you didn't fuck your tablet and not the pen?

>>2675141
Being outside in nature for hours and hearing seeing and smelling all the things I'm painting.

I want to use my Manga Studio brushes in other software, is there any way to convert the .sut files into something Gimp or Krita can understand?

>>2675600
Yeah my tablet's fine as far as I know.

The pen should just work straight out of the box, right? Like no calibrating etc.? I can't find any instructions on replacing these pens so I wouldn't even know how to. In my tablet's options I can adjust the pen's settings, but it seems to have the settings of my old one. I still have my broken pen in the room. Is it possible it's still "sensing" that?

What happened was my original pen got "misaligned" or something and the tip kept retracting into the body. I looked it up and apparently I had to open it up and jostle some things around. So I opened it very, very carefully, making sure not to lose any springs.
>wow that's a smalll spring
>a mere breath sends it flying
>put pen down
>look for the spring
>can't find it
>gingerly pick pen back up
>maybe I can salvage this situation
>other spring disappears
That was a bad day.

>>2675633
Well, I'm waving the remains of my old pen's circuit board over my tablet and it seems to be responding. Oh yeah I forgot to mention I smashed the crap out of it after I lost the springs. Like I said. Bad day.

So how far do I need to get this thing away from the tablet to stop it from interfering? Or should I just finish it off? Can't it just let me move on in life????

>>2675141

I can second >>2675603

I spent a lot of time copying photos of landscapes and it bored the shit out of me. But then I decided to take a wander outside, found a good spot, sat down and drew. It was really relaxing.

I typically lose all interest in/will to go on with a drawing after about ten minutes or so. Is there any way to change this, or should I just give up now?

>>2675644
Holy fuck help me. I lobbed the old pen as far as I could without littering and the new pen still didn't register at first. I went into settings and removed the old pen's preferences from registered tools. That didn't seem to help.

Then I unplugged and plugged back in my tablet. Hey! The new pen works all of a sudden! Except it doesn't show up in the tools settings/preferences menu so I couldn't seem to change how it functions. Great. Then after I try to access the display settings I get a "driver not detected" message of some kind. Then I get a similar message for the tool options. Also my tablet's buttons stopped working so I couldn't try to access options through that anymore. The thing's lights were still on and my computer recognized it was functioning so it's not like it wasn't plugged in properly. I don't even know what changed.

So at this point I decided I'd reinstall the drivers. So I did. It asked me to restart my computer. So I did. Now I can access settings and everything like that once again, except my new pen doesn't register at all. Do I need to register it under tool preferences or something? I can't add any new tools like I can with program preferences.

Oh, and for one second, I forget exactly when it happened, the pen was working perfectly. Then it stopped. Like it never even happened.

I'm at my wits end. Please tell me there's some kind of guide buried deep in the internet on using a replacement pen with a tablet. I don't mean to be dramatic, but a helpful response could save someone some property damage.

>>2675422
Thanks, I'll check those two out.

>>2675691
You are probably losing interest because you try to do complicated new things you can't easily do all the time. Limit yourself in how you draw instead of freewheeling. Aim for exact techniques and styles which you know you can actually do.

>>2675827
Desperate, angry bump.

How do I get over the fact that constructing anime anatomy is fucking disgusting even if I like the finished result? I feel sick just from looking at the creepy half-done water head monsters.

>>2676475
There should be a way to register your pen, no clue how, but ages ago I read something about something like that.

>>2676490
I've scoured Google but still nothing. How come this isn't a more commonly discussed problem? I see a lot of people talking about pens breaking and getting replacements, but never about actually getting the replacement to work. I'm guessing it's just supposed to work right out of the box but I fucked something up or it just isn't compatible.

Except it DID work for a little while. I really... fucking... don't... KNOW...

>>2676510
Got so madde I forgot that I was going to post this screenshot.

This is what my tool properties looks like. I can only remove tools, not add them. There was a brief stint of function with the new pen, so one would think it would show up in this interface, but it's like it never happened.

>>2676510
I bought a classic pen to use with an Intuos pro, it worked instantly and was auto-registered in that list. I didn't have to do anything

Sorry, it's not helpful but that's probably why you can't find any info. Are you sure your pen is working and intended to be compatible

>>2676525
What was the model number on that pen? Mine is LP190k and it from what I can gather it doesn't explicitly state compatibility with an Intuos "Pro" but bear in mind that during my finicking trying to get the settings right, it DID work. Is it possible that was a fluke and that it might be able to pick it up to some degree, but not be "fully" compatible?

Either way I have a fancier, explicitly Intuos Pro compatible pen coming in a few days. This cheaper one arrived a lot earlier and was going to be my "reliable backup", but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

>>2670655

soft brush probably, you'll have an easier time trying to emulate that on SAI rather than photoshop

>>2670684

there are many kind of rendering, while the lineart and flow in weeb art is complex the coloring can be rather easy, look up speedpaints at youtube, you wanna skip up those mlp steven universe and undertale crap and end up with titles in japanese

1. Dynamic Sketching or Drawabox?
2. How do I study from artbooks that have no exercises? Like Hogarth's

I need this reference for keys to drawing "Make a drawing looking down on objects from a high vantage point, such as lower buildings seen from a high window or a view from a balcony into a room below" googled but found nothing useful

How do I get good at drawing basic shapes freehand? I'm a beginner. And have the loomis book
But my shapes are always off.

>>2674818
>>2676548

Thanks a lot.

>>2676909
Those aren't really what people mean when they say basic shapes. What you want to practice are basic 3D forms, eg. spheres, boxes, cylinders.

Besides the most basic practice (eg. straight lines) you should think of everything you draw as 3D.

If you want exercises for that stuff look at drawabox.com

>>2676909
>>2677049
What this anon said basically. Learn about form and practice drawing straight lines and ellpises

When drawing glass objects, how do you know where the highlights and spots of black should go?

I can't wrap my head around this problem, I didn't find much about glass in Loomis books, and youtube tutorials don't explain shit.
What should I read/watch to learn how to render glass?

>>2666437
Just talked with a certain owner of a Los Angeles portfolio school. Obscene pricing aside, I managed to squeeze out some information about applying to calarts.

A couple things, mainly that if you are applying for their char animation program, they will not be interested in seeing super-rendered pieces. They want flowy, expressive shit. I managed to see some examples from the portfolio school owner's students and they are indeed far from finished, no tone, just mostly linework and construction.

2. Their sketchbooks need a lot of color. This was something I already knew.

3. There is no longer a job market for 2d animation. This sounded like a primary reason for her no longer specializing in preparing students for calarts application, moreso RISD and whatnot. She urged me to do some 2d animating on my own before committing to calarts, which is all sound, but I have to ask some people here:

How valid are her points, mainly the last one?

>>2678112
Wait, so you're saying that you want to apply to calarts to learn about 2d character animation?

>She urged me to do some 2d animating on my own before committing to calarts
To me it sounds like she asked you to do that, so you would know what animating is about. I agree with her; if you've never animated before, then you don't have any business going to an animation school. You're probably not passionate enough to make it.

Besides art schools are really expensive and it would be a shame if you realized that making animations simply isn't for you.

And, as you probably know, all animating principles (like squeeze and stretch) can be applied to any medium: it doesn't matter if you're working in 2d, 3d or with puppets. Because of that making 2d animations would give you a nice way to prepare yourself before going to school. And, when done well, you could include them in your portfolio.

>There is no longer a job market for 2d animation
True. Nowadays almost all 2d animation is outsourced and produced in Japan. Often only storyboards are produced right here. It's simply cheaper that way. Because of those storyboards they require you to learn about composition, color theory, gesture.

>>2678112
How would /ic/ know? There's barely two or so people who have went to calarts.

Could anyone recommend some good books and/or tutorials for colored pencils? Right now I've got a 64 pack of Crayola. I feel like such a prat thinking if I bought more premium brands like Prisma or Fabre-Castelle my art would improve but I do feel like maybe I'm not using the most high quality of tools.

>>2666437
Hey IC, this happen when im drawing only in photoshop? suddently there's a line always pointing to the low left corner. I am also left handed.

>>2678521
Update, it also happens when i use my right hand.

When you draw from imagination, do you

>envision the picture of what you want to draw in your mind

>think of the factual description of the thing you want to draw e.g. "girl with a ponytail looking left"

>>2678537
i've redone the draw on paint, and i had not a single problem, and also it feels so much natural and better than photoshop
it might be a compatibility problem within photoshop and my draw tablet?

I lack direction in my studies, how do you guys determine what you need to do/study at any given time?
I feel like I'm just floating from thing to thing with no real idea of what to do.

>>2678559
A description will not help you. Just try and draw what you want to draw and do whatever you think will help. If something doesn't work. Try something else.

>>2678537
>>2678570
might be a driver issue, paint also does not have the shift+click thing to draw straight lines. do you have touch enabled?

>>2677623
Bump.

I need good 1700 and 1800 fashion, technology and architecture references. I want to start a historical fiction webcomic, but I have no knowledge of this time period. :T Does anyone know of any good movies or books I can crack into to get me more comfortable with this era?
The only references I have under my belt are some fragmants of the Brothers Grimm stuff and Johnathan Strange and Mr Norrell.

>>2666437
How to use multiple references for a traditional illustrations? I need to see how others have done it so that I can figure out what I'm supposed to be doing. I can copy ok now I want to do more. I asked this in beginner thread no aswer

>>2677623
check out scott robertson how to render

>>2678559
Read this link.

http://design.tutsplus.com/articles/why-is-it-so-hard-to-draw-from-imagination-heres-how-to-do-it--cms-22967

It's pretty helpful, m8. Can solve many questions.

i'm having trouble getting the chapter on light in keys to drawing (the sticky even suggests learning form before value in the big picture)

should i put keys to drawing on hold and get into robertson's "how to render"? or should i just power through this intro and get to value as a fundamental to practice later on?

also--

what's the general order of shadow values? from darkest to lightest i have:
occlusion, core, form shadow (no reflected light), form shadow (with reflected light), cast shadow, and then half tones, center light, highlight

and how should i fill these in? softly outline, then separate light and shadow with halftone and then just add layers of graphite/charcoal over the areas that look darker?

>>2679588
oh and: are there any guides on how light scatters (visually)? like stuff on the differences between a laser, lightbulb, fluorescent tubes, floodlight and how they work as source lights and take up different "volumes".

or is this not important...

>>2679523
Thanks! It's exactly what I was looking for.

How do I measure proportion when drawing forshortening pose from imagination? I get that loomis's proportion is 8 height tall from the front but how do I transfer that when drawing poses from other perspective?

>>2680060
Either draw through or understand how perspective works. It's pretty mathematical in how foreshortening works. Example is try making a row of boxes.

Does working on my penmanship help with drawing? It seems like if I can control small lines I can control larger ones too.

>>2680076
You'll see that you won't be able to control small lines even when you can control larger ones.
You can tell by writing words.

It does help with drawing though.

>>2680096
Is it just getting used to the pencil? I type almost everything..

>>2680076
Yes/No
When you write your typically using your fingers
When you draw, you will ideally be using your elbow and shoulder.
But things like calligraphy will help, but penmenship =/ calligraphy.
Really the only thing that helps drawing is drawing. If you want some exorcises for basic pen control, read the very first parts of Drawing on The Right side of the Brain, which tasks you with doing things like drawing a dot on a piece of paper and then drawing straight lines through that dot, things like that. Keys to Drawing has some as well I think.

>>2680104
Okay, thanks.
Would you also recommend I go through the entire book while I'm at it?

>>2680099
Well, yeah, anon. Drawing is all about getting used to the pen so that your eyes, brain and hand are connected.

>>2680105
If you're a beginner, yes. Really read the sticky and lurk the book threads, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain/Keys to Drawing (really the latter is much more recommended on here but they're both solid) and Loomis are your friends. Read the books, do the exorcises, draw with a focus on realizing and correcting your mistakes, learning lessons, you will get better.

>>2680109
Will do.

I tried asking this in /gd/ but it was probably the wrong place. GD doesn't really deal with this sort of thing I guess.

How do you guys deal with people stealing/editing your shit and posting it on other places?

I'm not trying to act like I'm famous or anything, or even well lauded, I just have a lot of people stealing my shit and fucking it up.

I make wallpapers and other shit like that, and I always find people making shitty edits and variants without my permission.
I have the proper copyright information and such on my page, and I specifically forbid any alterations or other edits without my knowledge. I'm not trying to be an asshole about it, I just want my work to be consistent and not have 100 versions that others have made floating about. It looks bad on me if the shit looks terrible.

I've tried telling them what they've done wrong, and not to do the shit again, but I don't really have the heart to tell them to take it down. Not in public anyway (I don't want to ruin my reputation).

Most of the time people find the shit from a quick google search and that's it. They don't even bother looking for the source to see if this kind of shit is legal. I don't want to resort to using watermarks, because it messes up a good wallpaper.

What the hell is happening?

All this is done in a single layer

>>2680465
ok, it's alright I fixed it

>>2674502
those which are limited by bounds such as ''this shit is this color and this color only'' can't design

>>2680497
So what was it?

>>2680197
Post your original up EVERYWHERE. Also post it to the popular "group" pages first. Let the group introduce your work with credits and all that. It will at least drive majority of those clicks back to your page.

Other than watermarking your work, there's honestly no other method to prevent selfish cucks from taking your work and editing it. Sorry.

Any tips for shading/cross-hatching in digital? think a individual layer would help?

>>2677623
https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/color-fundamentals-advanced-coloring--cms-20679

not exactly a formula, but you can go from there

Any resources for hair styling "fundamentals" out there? Something like a book they might hand out at a beauty school.

Are IPS monitors worth it? Do they do anything for eye strain? I'd like to use flux but can't, for obvious reasons

Also, is having more than one monitor better for drawing from reference?

>>2680849
Multiple monitors - yes, it is useful, but you also need to find space on your desk and set up your computer for multiple monitors, which can be a pain in the ass if your software can't deal with it or you can't do it yourself.

Not much clue about IPS, I have one and it was worth it, but I can't compare it to a good TFT. It certainly beats cheap TFTs.

Anyone has a curved monitor ? Has it any difference for drawing with normal monitors ?

>>2680849
IPS in itself won't help with eye strain, but getting a flicker-free monitor will, especially one with a low blue light mode. But yeah, a good quality display is absolutely worth it.

>>2680885
IPS displays ARE TFT. LCD displays have been TFT for a very long time. You're most likely thinking of TN panels, which even in the best 6-bit + FRC monitors are still unsuitable to color sensitive work.

>>2680973
They will give you better viewing angles at the cost of minor distortion, provided you're using a very large ultrawide and sitting dead center, really close to it. But desu the curve on most monitors is sublte enough you're not likely to see a difference unless you compare it to something else. Don't bother, especially for drawing.

Are there any books or videos that give you a sort of a curriculum of objects to draw to expand your visual library as well as helping you create your own objects?

>>2681281
Just make your own curriculum. Not everybody wants to learn to draw the same things, and what you study will be a reflection of your own tastes and goals. I think it's important for your development to decide on it yourself. Otherwise you get things like the fzd grads whose designs and work is all identical and generic.

>>2681285
Well, for story telling using an artistic medium you need to be a jack of all trades, master of some. I'll need to draw a little of everything and at the moment I'm okay at people, animals, and scenery, but I'm bad at manmade objects.

Perhaps it's just going to be hard work and accepting how shit I am at them for now, still, it would be nice having something as a supplement.

>>2668209
Hubert Robert is my god of perspective. Make of him what you may

Can someone PLEASE tell me how to stop mangastudio from fucking moving the image I'm drawing when I press control+click. The keybind settings don't show control+mouseclick options and there's literally no tutorials on anything on mangastudio. I need to disable this because the lag keeps fucking shifting the image and I can't stop doing it because I need to undo constantly.

>>2681292

Visual library is all well and good, but I wouldn't count on it ever being good enough that you can pull whatever object you want from imagination.

For imagination drawing, the priority should be to be able to "turn stuff over" in your head. You should be able to look at a reference and draw it from another angle / in different lighting conditions / with modifications etc. Don't fall for the /ic/ meme that reference is bad, it's only a crutch if you have to copy references instead of working with them. It's perfectly adequate to do a rough version of what you want to depict, then find a ref and refine it.

The internet is your visual library, anonymous. If you do certain subject matters a lot, memorize those particular ones. I draw lots of knights so I've gotten the hang of the way armor fits together even without refs, but that was a product of me finding lots of knight refs and drawing them.

>>2681308
Don't hold control down for no reason, or change your undo shortcut for something else. I've never heard of anyone having a problem with this.

>>2681338
Good advice, I'll take it to heart.

I'll go ahead and start building a reference folder of more common things I'll draw for now.

>>2666437
I want to do commissions with fan art but I'm terrible at drawing it. How would someone go about drawing fan art? I can design and do original art, but drawing other peoples characters always comes out wrong and doing fan art is the same.

>>2681274
>>2680885
thanks for the advice. Flicker free sounds like what I'm looking for. Tired eyes gives my body the illusion of being sleepy which is a no-no

What is the country of origin of this statuette?

>>2681513
Maybe Mexico. Looks Aztec or Mayan inspired.

>>2679633
no prob hope it helps

>>2681556
Close but bullshit unfortunately. More like Olmec or Zapotec. Maybe southern third of Mexico, maybe Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua.

Perspective/Orthographic Perspective tools for Photoshop:
-What out there?
-What the goodest???

Gotta step my shit up, I don't want to have to resort to using Illustrator either since there's something really off-putting/restrictive about all of the drawing tools there.

I deleted my pixiv account 2 weeks ago, and then i try to create another one(with my old mail) but appear a message saying: the account is registered.
how long it will take to be delete the account?
>pic relative

>>2680801
Thanks!

>>2681556
>>2681863
Hmm. Thanks guys. Any chance it could curse, or hex me?

>>2666437
How important is socializing when becoming a successful online artist?

>>2682801
Very

>>268250
no. its right hand was flipping the bird but as you can see, some butthurt spaniard broke it off

How do you measure on digital. I'm only a beginner but when using traditional i can use my pencil to measure faces etc. and they turn out okay, but with digital there's a large margin of error. Especially since my tablet doesn't have a screen. Sorry if this doesn't make sense

>>2682946
You just have to draw a lot and get used to the tablet. A majority of us have screenless tablets.

>studies the 3D forms of a human face
>ends up examining where to put lines and establish line weight when at different angles, when looking at an artist's art works and style instead

Am I doing this wrong when studying?

>>2683135
There is no wrong way to do something, anon. Every little thing helps. Every one also has their own way of doing something. Whatever is easier and works for you, is enough.

Is it safe to reuse a turpenoid container? Maybe to even drink out of?

Is there any book that explain various beauty standards? I want to create cute, beautiful and ugly male and female faces, but I don't know what makes them such, apart from proportions maybe? But then I've heard that proportions are not rigid, there are stylizations that look nicely, but what makes them such?
I don't know for sure but perhaps various cultures have different standards, perhaps some artists did research on this?

>>2672699
What i learned from drawing comics is that if the face is too small, you should avoid complicated shading or else it will just make it harder to read most of the time,

>>2673843
Yes anon same here. Hold me :( well do homo art studies until the sun comes up

does subsurface scattering effect dark skinned people less?

also, what is "wrapping"?

>>2666494
isn't the monitor badly positioned in the bottom "correct" pic tho?
Shouldn't eyes be in the same level as the center of the screen?

>>2670984
i've had some similar results with after effects+duik+mettle freeform

use the puppet pin tool a lot+liquefy as well

thought a lot of it is also practice..my initial results were very ugly, i am only now starting to get more and more lifelike movement. tinklebell uses a custom flash engine for their animations, but its all the same concept of lots of tweening and lots of layers..

you can build sliders in duik too, so you wont have to custom edit everything every time..i do believe this game took 6 years to make though, so it is a slow process too..but so is art, so i am sure it's no big deal..keep at it and you can do it anon

i find softer shading works better than hard edges in this style..people will tell you live2d is good and its pretty good, ive used it, but after effects allows more control in my personal opinion

just make sure you have a somewhat bulky computer, after effects is a heavy program

>>2683136
I was worried that I would fall for symbol drawing if I did a lineart study of anime for instance, like I'd just end up memorizing the line of the cheekbone for every different angle the face is turned.

>>2683372
I dont know any books on the subject but here are some PROTIPS:

+Draw people you find cute, beautiful, ugly and learn the themes that make them so.
+Cuteness has a simplicity to it.
+Beauty in the human brain requires some "impurity" like a "beauty mark". That one thing you would fix is the the one thing making them stick in your mind as beautiful.
+Uglyness is often if not always symmetry related: bug-eyes arent necessarily ugly, as long as there are two of them.

So my suggested staring points:
Cute = simple (maybe childlike), symmetrical
Beautiful = symmetrical with on small thing to break the symmetry
Ugly = unsymmetrical

>>2683372
Watch Makeup tutorials on youtube. Watch the girls that make themselves look cute (what do they do?), and the ones that make themselves look beautiful (same) and the ones who are ugly(what are they trying to hide?).

>>2675141
When you draw, you are able to notice things that normally pass you by, you notice the shapes of trees, of hills, you look differently at things, and it makes almost everything look beautiful.

Absolutely hating keys to drawing so far(page 100).
Is it worth finishing, or are there any "must have" books for beginners besides this?

Trusted tvpaint torrent? Really stuck on this one.

>>2683846
do something other than ktd then
check out vandruff's perspective lectures
draw some gestures
get out of your basement and draw shit around
actually stop reading this book and start drawing right now

What do ya'll think of using a little projector for drawing and painting?
Is it cheating?

>>2684052
There is no cheating, but that way is interesting. I did it once for a mural.

>>2684055
I've seen Robert Betchle do it. And some Asian woman I don't remember the name of.
Guess it just removes the added tedium of sight measuring, which I've always struggled with.

Pic is Bellows.

>>2676589
drawabox is simply a regurgitation of peter hans dynamic sketching. drawabox pretty much rips the assignments straight out too. so ask yourself then would you rather learn from uncomfortable or peter han who has been a profession for years
>>2682946
if youre drawing from reference you need to learn to measure by comparison. isolate pieces of the drawing and look where they lie in comparison to everything else. constantly check to see if things are correct. for example, if youre drawing a portrait look at the eyes, where do the other features lie in relation to the eyes? what about the mouth? the nose? the curvature of the chin? etc etc
>>2682801
in general for any outlet you want to become successful online in it is very important to know people. even if youre a god tier artists if your posts are reaching nobody, nobody will know.
make friends and they will see your work, maybe theyll share it with their friends who will share it with their other friends, etc.
>>2676683
bird eye view maybe?
>>2673752
there is almost no way to not gain from drawing from life, regardless of your skill level.
>>2671395
you will get past the feeling, nothing lasts forever. even if it seems like the place youre in is impossible to escape, you need to understand that change takes time, and that you have to keep living, things will get better. weather you believe me or not.
>>2671005
jeff watts has done a few very nice streams on his channel using gouache, check him out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3KjQ61zNI
>>2666649
draw and post every day, the more lures you cast out into the water the more chances fish will bite. you could also use good bait like fanart or furry shit.

I'm went and bought some dip pens on a whim, having little experience in using them. I used to own an Ohto Rook and used a few Speedball nibs my professor had.

I only bought two, and I'm having the same problem with both. I'm used to drawing my contours in a 'pushing' manner (picrelated, making a line in that direction while keeping the same hand position), but it's causing the tines to flick and bend and splatter (I think I already broke a nib doing so, since it doesn't hold ink for too long). Is there like some kind of technique for this, or am I not supposed to be doing that?

Secondly, are these supposed to feel like they're scratching/stabbing the paper? I really don't like how it feels at all and feels a little unnatural.

Can I just wing proportion? I feel like all these measuring stuff feels weird to me. It's way too rigid and I'm not sure how to measure poses in perspective or foreshortened.

>>2684971
You can if you have the eye for proportion. If you don't, do the tedious measuring stuff and then you'll be able to eye it when you're at a higher level.

>>2684571
From my experience nib pens are meant for confident deliberate strokes. If you try to use it the same way you would use a pencil or ballpoint pen your going to have a bad time.

>>2684571
sorry, but you're going to have to get used to pulling your lines.
It's a better practice overall

I know jack shit about coloring but I want to be able to cel shade well.
What are the steps I should take to be able to do it well?
Color Theory > Planes > How light hits form > Etc?

In what order should I go through the Loomis books?

Excuse me kind Anons;
how the fuck do I use this sticky thing?

>>2685889

Treat it like a wet cloth cleaning up a spill on a counter or floor. Dab the paper with it, since it's meant to pick up loose bits like graphite and charcoal.

If you want it to keep erasing, you're going to have to knead it often. Otherwise it's going to spread the same bits it picked up (which you can do cool things with).

It's not terribly hard, you just have to get behind the idea that it's not meant to completely erase in one go.

>>2685055
how light hits form for digital painting

Seems to be the fastest and most up to date method. Color theory itself is a mixed bag and you will encounter it while learning digital painting.

>>2686095
That's really helpful, I tried using it as a standard eraser and it looked like it didn't work.
Thanks!

Are there any tips on color schemes in character design? How do females even consider colors for their make-up? Is this actually a valid study object or they do this rather instinctively?

The first problem is more suited for /v/, but I think that starting an entirely new thread for these questions are a little unecessary.

I'm drawing this man. One problem: I have no idea what he's wearing in pic related.
If it's a necklace, then it really is the most strangest necklace I have ever seen on a character. The only other theory I have is the filename.

My second issue regards values. I'm terrible with colours, so all my drawings are in black/grey.
This character has sleep-deprived bags under his eyes, and it feels hard to convey this with a B pencil without making it look as if I'm /just/ going to town with the shading underneath the eyes. Does anyone have some sort of guide or reference for this specific problem? Or will people understand that the large dark areas that stretch beyond the eyes are actually from sleep deprivation; am I fretting over nothing?

Not sure where to ask this but does anyone have any schedules for art practice? I've seen a few but didn't save them. Kind of wanted to see what others' art schedules look like, to get an idea.

>>2687508
Didn't find them useful, because they are way too inflexible. You are better of keeping track how you advance in what area and adjust what you learn.

But you can decide how you should allocate time between what kinds of drawings:

1. do thumbnails and sketches and studies for fun, that works every day and can be done anytime
2. commit to drawings and paintings if one of the thumbnails really works out

I'm sitting upright, drawing from my elbow against a screen that's at a 100° angle. I'm working on my line precious, and my linework is much easier to control when I draw with the side of my palm braced against the screen. I slide my palm with my elbow, and the surface is smooth enough that the movement of the sliding doesn't disturb my linework.

Is bracing against the drawing surface with your hand/wrist to be avoided when drawing from the elbow? I'd like to know this before I put in a month of stabilizing exercises in either position.

>>2687579
>precious

precision* fug I need to sleep

>>2687579
You'll do both eventually anyways. You'll see. Get comfortable with that one then get used to the shoulder one.

Hey guys I'm drawing this plant seahorse (it's not good at All but that's not important) and i'm planning to draw a blade of grass as tail. But I want it to bend and make a curve in itself. I just can't draw shit like that.

How do I draw bending stuff and what can I do better while drawing stuff like this?

>>2678570
do you have the touch settings turned on? if so, turned them off, the tablet recognizes finger/palm touches as a pen touch
only thing i can think off, you can always unistall and re install like

So I have a perspective question I really hope someone can help me with because I've been trying to figure this out for hours.

I have this scene in 2-point perspective, but I want to rotate an object in the scene around one of the axes (in this case, the axis going to VPR) so that vertical lines for this object are tilted. Now, I'm pretty sure this would put the object in 3-point perspective, but I don't know how find the 3rd VP for the vertical axis. If I want the new vertical line to be tilted as shown with the blue arrows, how would I figure out the VP for it?

>>2687712
If the blade of grass is gonna bend, keep in mind that it would bend along its length so it would need to be drawn in a side or perspective view. in comparison, the leaves all look like they're in top view, so you can see the veins and all that, but nothing from the side or bottom of the leaf. look at some pictures of grass to see how it would look in profile view, but I expect it will be pretty plain looking if you just draw in like that. I think it would be more effective with some simple 1-point perspective.
As for actually drawing the curve, maybe use a compass or ellipse guide until you're more comfortable drawing curves free-hand, and just practice free-hand circles and ovals otherwise.

>>2688643
Ok, I think I figured it out, even though this thread is dead and I doubt anyone will get any use from this.
The axis going towards VPL would move to an auxillary VP, vertically up or down from the original VP, as would be expected of an inclined plane. In order for the orientation of the other planes to remain consistent with this incline, the vertical line would also move to a VP on the same vertical line the the auxiliary VP is on. essentially, the vertical line and line going to VPL are being rotated along the VPR axis. their VPs must remain on the same line (yellow vertical line in picture), which must be perpendicular to the axis of rotation. If a 90 degree rotation takes place, the vertical axis and VPL axis should switch places, in a manner of speaking,
Now to find the location of both new VPs, I first translated the SP to the horizon line with a 45 degree line. Then I treated this new point on the horizon as an auxiliary SP. Next I extended the inclined verticals (green lines) to a common point on the yellow vertical line, which for all intents and purposes can be thought of as a horizon line to the auxiliary SP that was just made. This point was then brought back to the auxiliary SP and extended back to the yellow vertical at 90 degrees to find the auxiliary VPL.

To test this, I added a line in orange. This is another inclined vertical line pointing towards the original VPL. Using the same methods as above, it's found that new VPL axis relative to this inclined vertical would move directly up and down with no VP, so now the VPL axis is behaving as the vertical axis and vice versa, which is what should be expected.

I'm mainly writing this for myself so I remember it, but if anyone reads this and disagrees or has any questions, pls respond

>>2688804
Here's the very rough picture I used to figure it out