/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>Implying this is going to make me stop fapping to Kyle's artwork

I still don't know who this kyle guy is and I've been here for 3.5 years.

>>2669728
oh god muh dick

All artists hides their tricks.

Everytime you get to know an artist's trick there goes the magic, because you will see its somewhat archivable.

The shitty thing is, I'd imagine once you reach a certain level of competence in observational drawing you'll have to intentionally fuck with a pose reference you like because people will just accuse you of tracing, and even if you didn't trace but drew it well from observation you're gonna get shit on. It's a shame that art has been a dickwaving contest of how badly you can inconvenience yourself while still getting a nice result over trying to portray the thing you want to portray.

Not weighing in on if Kyle traced or not, don't really know him.

>>2669728
When you're doing it for money and literally do not care at all for ethics/ the profession you are hurting

i.e a lot of people wanting to cash in on retards that want commissions or need whatever garbage freelanced

I think a lot of people on /ic/ would be really surprised at how there are many people who will listen to you with a straight face about how tracing is unacceptable, how photobashing is holding hands with the devil, and then tell you when you're done that they literally could not care less. Think of alt-right people responding to a social justice warriors accusation.

>>2669728
People don't care as long as you aren't stealing. The end result is all that matters.

>>2669728
>tracing
Motherfucker destroyed her leg. The drawing on the left is much better in more ways than that as well. He should've traced harder.

>>2669753
when people get good they actually stop giving a shit what plebs think.
t. art pro

>>2669728
That's not how tracing works. You still need to know the fundies.

Johannes Vermeer used the camera obscura to trace real life projections.

>>2669728
He can't have traced that.
No one can fuck up that badly when tracing.

Learning to draw requires the refinement of observation skills. We learn to see as artists and make marks to reflect what we observe. This process requires practice and trial and error. As we practice, the accuracy of the marks that we make improve and our drawings become more precise. Drawing gradually becomes intuitive.

When the artist traces the subject, this process of improving is hindered. Tracing does not directly improve our observational drawing skills. Tracing is not the path the artist should take if improving drawing skills is the desired result.

When you learn to draw, you learn to observe and translate what you observe into lines, shapes, values, textures, etc. When the artist traces, the translation of the lines are not made by the artist. Instead, they are simply transferred to a surface.

Because the artist did not translate the observed contour lines, some believe that this is cheating. If the artist does not translate the subject completely, then the work must somehow not be completely the artist’s interpretation of the subject.

For many artists, the product of the finished work of art is most important. The quality of the work outweighs the process. Patrons, art directors, etc. often don’t mind what process the artist uses to arrive at a successful piece. If tracing is a part of that process, then so be it.

Speed also plays a role. Most professional artists need to produce art quickly. For commercial artists, time is money. And if art is your business, then making money from it is clearly important. Any tools or processes that save time, without sacrificing the product, are utilized. Tracing saves time. If the artist is a professional, then drawing skills are likely already developed. If the artist wanted to draw the contours accurately, they could do so. But this would slow the process and not affect the finished result.

Therefore, tracing becomes a tool of the professional artist. And it does not make sense not to use a tool that saves time.

Those that feel that tracing is cheating sometimes do not fully understand the full process of drawing and painting. They may feel that if the contour lines are traced, then “the hard part” of the drawing process has been completed.

Tracing may be used to establish the contours, but the task of completing the work is far from over. Skill is required to complete the piece. The “hard part” of completing the work is still ahead of the artist, even if some form of tracing has been used.

>>2669827
>>2669832
/ic/ is full of amateurs, we get it.

>>2669773
Caravaggio too as well as many of his contemporaries.

Everything is acceptable in modern art.

Mike giant does heaps of tracing and he is very succesful.

>>2669838
So, we should learn tracing? Sounds pretty useful.

>>2669832
This is a very correct answer.

>>2669842
If you are still developing your drawing skills, it is my opinion that you should avoid tracing. Focus on pure drawing from observation. Draw from life as much as possible. Once your drawing skills have developed, then tracing can become a tool that saves time. One that you do not have to use.

If you have developed your drawing skills and have the ability to draw the subject accurately, then tracing ultimately doesn’t affect the resulting work. Be cautious that tracing does not become a “crutch”. Reserve it for subjects that require the upmost accuracy.

And even if tracing does become a tool in your artistic toolbox, your drawing skills should be practiced and honed continually. Drawing is fundamental and you should be studious about continuing your development, no matter what your current skill level may be.

If you view the act of creating to be more about the process, then you are likely to believe that tracing is some form of cheating. However, if the product outweighs the process in your mind, then you’re likely to view tracing as an acceptable part of the process. So your perspective and feelings about art will influence what you personally believe.

only once you draw using Asian level autism for 20 years will you not need ref.

>>2669842

Im not personally a big fan of tracing however if you are creating something for a deadline then its up to you.

Even when tracing though there are still things such as quality of line work to consider.

>>2669827
>>2669832
>>2669849
>TL;DR: want to learn? Don't trace. Else do w/e.

OK but is tracing that bad for progress? It could actually be more valuable than just `looking` at your favorite artwork

Maybe we are all just uselessly complicating things because nobody dedicated his life to try new ways of learning?

>>2669901
>read its
>still asks these dumb questions

>>2669836
I am interested in this topic and my first assumption was that he indeed must have had some contraption/camera to make his paintings because where the fuck are Caravaggio's drawings and studies?
I looked into Hockney's theories, but they are mostly unfounded and the arguments are based on ignorance. Then again, I still believe Caravaggio must have had something, but saying he did x doesn't help if no one is able to demonstrate how to make a painting with a camera obscura. There are problems with lighting, color judgement and projecting it on a non-white surface.
Doing shitty pencil drawings with it doesn't prove anything (I am looking at you Hockney).

>>2669905
You don't get it.

Nobody was ever successful with tracing because nobody tried. Not because it doesn't work.

>>2669728
Never ever.

Don't you want the actual power to draw cool shit from your mind?

Please tell me Kyle doesn't do commissions and trace. He'd be ripping people off.

>>2669928

>He'd be ripping people off.

Why? People commission stuff because they want a certain idea drawn, not because they want the artist to demonstrate certain skills. The result should matter more than the process, unless you're literally commissioning an artist because you want them to bust their ass.

If I commissioned Kyle and I was like "I want my special snowflake OC drawn in this pose" why would I be butthurt that he traced the pose if the result looked like the special snowflake OC I requested?

>>2669944
As an artist if I paid someone to draw something for me, I'd want them to draw it and not trace it. Tracing isn't art.

>>2669910
I mean just because Caravaggio's studies/sketches weren't preserved doesn't mean that they didnt happen. Perhaps the artist himself didn't really see the value in saving them and threw them out.

>>2669949
>the thing that takes the least amount of time makes it not art
He still painted it and everything

>>2669910
>>2669951
Actually ...
>Secret stash of 100 'Caravaggio sketches' found in Milan castle:
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2012/jul/05/caravaggio-discovery-milan-castle

>>2669949
This.

>>2669953
Nope. You might as well use a shitty Instagram filter.

>>2669949

Is this another "anyone can trace and it'd look good" episode?
Have you ever seen an amateur trace a drawing? It looks nothing like the OP. It looks like shit, because amatuers trace shit with no understanding of value, color theory, line weight, etc. It looks like pic related.

If someone's commissioning an artist it's generally because they like the product they create, regardless of the process. Tracing becomes a problem when it makes the artist inflexible and unable to tailor their commission to the request.

>>2669957
>Nope. You might as well use a shitty Instagram filter.

Let's see you take the traced picture and come out with Kyle's result, I'll wait.

>>2669969
Hello Kyle.

>>2669973

I expect I'll be waiting a long time, because you know you're wrong and you're not going to attempt it.

It'll surprise you, I'm sure, but a badly traced drawing and a photograph with shitty filters thrown on it both look radically different to the OP pic regardless of whether Kyle traced or not.

We see the same threads with that Irakli shithead where /ic/ goes "anyone could do that" and whenever anyone tries to put their money where their mouth is (rarely) it looks like garbage, because even hacks have an effective method that produces results that people like.

>>2669969
>>2669973
You have no idea what neural networks and recent algorithms can do for you.

>>2669978

Are we going to have another 'you WONT BELIEVE what this new algorithm programmer can do! artists HATE HIM' discussion next?

People who pay for art pay for results, if someone likes Kyle's style they'll ask him to produce a result that fits his style, that also conforms to the parameters of his request. If you're an artist buying commissions and you get butthurt that he didn't draw it with his pencil shoved up his urethra and it was too easy, you're the exception.

>>2669976

Anyone can do it with practice.

>>2669986

>Anyone can do it with practice.

Yeah? I can draw like Kim Jung Gi with practice. The "I can do it if I want I just don't want to" is a worthless argument.

>>2669985
>you're the exception
Then what if I'm pissed because peeps keep paying for utter shitty art? This is what you get when capitalism is ruled by autistic ape. Fuck me.

>>2669976
It's clearly you Kyle. Stop pretending it's not, you aren't making yourself look any better.

>>2669976
>We see the same threads with that Irakli shithead where /ic/ goes "anyone could do that" and whenever anyone tries to put their money where their mouth is (rarely) it looks like garbage, because even hacks have an effective method that produces results that people like.
Because nobody in their right mind is wasting time on proving someone wrong on an imageboard.

>>2669993

Suck it up. Most people care about results, not craft. Nobody cares if you spent 600 hours on a drawing of your own dick if it isn't marketable.

>>2669995

>someone disagrees with me, it must be him!

I don't give a shit about Kyle, but no matter what I say you'll delude yourself to believe what you like. The consequence of anonymous imageboards, I guess. Believe whatever you want, I could be Kyle and you'd still be unable to prove it can be done with an instagram filter as you claim, because you can't, and you know you can't.

>>2669999

Then stop making unverifiable claims. If reproducing Irakli's trash takes you hours of effort, it's not as easy as you pretend. Besides, I can draw better than Kim Jung Gi, which means I know better than you, I just don't want to take the time obviously. Nothing personnel kid.

When you're learning to draw, tracing others doesn't teach you anything. The fundamental part of drawing is making accurate marks. Working on your hand-eye coordination so that you can make the strokes you want as well as have confident and expressive line work. Removing that step of the drawing by tracing only hinders your progress.

I think back in the day before photoshop tracing was used in the same way photo manipulation and photo sampling is today. In other words stock pictures of buildings or something might be traced into the background of a drawing to save precious production time. But the people doing that could draw a building just fine, it was just a time saving trick.

>>2670005
>Then stop making unverifiable claims.
/ic/ really needs IDS, this is the first post I made in this thread.
But you cant seriously expect people to put effort into anonymously prooving you wrong.

>>2669728
Always. No rules, just tools.

In my opinion tracing has its limitations- as you are limited to what your picture shows you. It is difficult to correct perspective and distortion if you trace the image, as you will trace the photos problems right onto the board. But the reality is that we all create art in our own way- so if you are comfortable tracing and it fits you, who am I to say you can't?

>>2670011

Again, it's just a classic case of "I can do x I just don't want to."

You'd expect artists of all people to be sick and tired of that god-awful excuse. Have you never had dipshits who say the same about art? "I could be a really good artist if I just took the time lmao."

hey guys kyle here. I don't trace or samefag. that image of Risa Yoshiki is like 2 years old btw. whats with all the hate recently? chill bros.

>>2670016
>"I could be a really good artist if I just took the time lmao."
Well that's probably a true statement.

>>2670000
You're missing something big. Art is about all the small details, not just the overall look. Most people aren't capable of fully understanding them but other artists eventually found out.

>>2670014
This is the real answer. In between art and plagiarism..

>>2670016
Then what? If you don't want to, you don't have to.

>>2670016
Wouldn't you say there is a difference between irakli and Guangjian Huang for example?

>>2669767
>need fundamentals for tracing
>wat
>I think anon needs fundamentals

>>2670026

Yes, and it doesn't make being an artist easy now, does it?

Let's say hypothetically (because nobody is going to actually do it) that you decided to trace a photo and get the same result as is posted in the example of kyle's drawing. How long, from a direct trace, do you think that would take you? Whether you used instagram filters, whatever you like. No rules, just tools, but that result. How long? Let's say in two cases, one at your current skill level, and one as a beginner?

I encourage anybody who says "feh it'd be easy!" to give it a go on their own time. I remember in my first few months of art I tried tracing because I thought I'd be able to get the results I see from other artists with less effort (at the time I didn't care much for the process of the craft and just wanted the end product). Without fail it looks terrible, because I didn't understand all the shit that goes into a good drawing. Copying lines and slapping a filter on it is not good enough, color picking from a photo does not make a good painting, and only delusional people think so.

>>2670035

I don't like Irakli's art, and as an artist I have a similar dislike for his process that many people do. That said, I wouldn't make the claim I can do what Irakli does because I can't - he has a process he's developed, and he knows how to get the result he wants to get. That result, as it happens, seems to be popular.

>>2670036

You don't need fundamentals to trace a drawing, you do need fundamentals to trace a drawing and have the end result not look like a flat piece of shit that obviously looks like a trace.

Tracing gets you a proportionally correct drawing, and that's basically all it gets you.

>>2670040
Not really. Let's assume The Mona Lisa was traced. Would the painting still be valuable?

>No.

>>2670050

And as an addendum, it hardly even gets you that, see >>2670014

>>2670051
It was traced. Guy had a model and everything.

>>2670054
Muh

>>2670051

If we found out today it was, it would still be valuable.

And by the fact Vemeer's paintings are still valuable and we're pretty sure he traced from projections, yeah.

I'm not saying certain people don't admire skill, but I am saying that a vast majority of people who commission work from artists are doing it for a product, not for a demonstration of skill.

>>2670019
Fuck off Kyle. You're samefagging all these threads and we all know it.

You draw the same bodies and the same faces over and over. You do nothing new and all your faces look like goblins. You have no real fans of your art, just people who like feet. No one respects you as an artist. No go shill somewhere else.

>>2670061

Every anti-Kyle person is actually you, so stop samefagging.

>>2670054
>>2670058
Okay I give up. Tracing is acceptable because the world isn't only about me and my sole opinion.

Still I think the world would be a better place if people would pay more attention to small things, even if it means nobody would ever notice it. This is the exact reason why I love Japan.

It can be a tool to use if it's a faster way to meet your ends if you need to work quickly for whatever reason. After all, tracing is just repeating flat shapes/lines, a good artist will determine what information from the photo to include/exclude, will be the one to determine how to apply line weights and values, shading, colors, composition etc. A lot of truly critical information in a final piece cannot be gained through tracing alone.

In terms of using it as a tool to learn with. Tracing is a really really good way to learn how to... um... trace.

Any good art teacher will tell you this- it's simply not a good way to learn. So many professionals, teachers, drawing books, and so on and so forth will tell you one key thing: "draw from life."

It helps. It looks like it's hard, but it does help immensely, and it's not so hard once you train your hand and eye to work together. When you're tracing, you aren't thinking. Your hand and eye aren't really working together. You're just mindlessly going over the lines. You're being a human Xerox machine.

Some people think that tracing helps you "get a feel" for how to draw the human body- this is simply not true. Anything you trace is going to be in 2D- even photos. A picture you trace over is a flat version of real life, and to draw, you must learn to think 3D.

>>2670063
Hello Kyle, please kill yourself. You're art is traced and you have no original talent

>>2670064
>Still I think the world would be a better place if people would pay more attention to small things, even if it means nobody would ever notice it. This is the exact reason why I love Japan.
Explain

hey guys Kyle here. all I can draw is feet I have no talent but I can trace that is all

>>2670064
Many backgrounds in mangas/animes are traced. Not even by the main artist but by their assistants.

>>2670065
>Tracing doesn't teach you 3D
Great point.

>>2670069
>>2670073
Don't get me wrong. I wasn't necessarily talking about Japanese art but their lifestyle. The way they ear, live and everything.

>>2670074
>but their lifestyle. The way they ear, live and everything.
I am still not following.

>>2669728
Wait so when did using a reference, tracing? If that's the case, wouldn't every portrait be tracing too?

>>2670064

I don't disagree, I admire skill as much as the next guy, and given that most people on /ic/ are either artists or aspiring artists it's going to be a common opinion.

But for most products there are craftsmen who pour significant effort into a product for love of the craft and then there are people who manufacture something for sale. You could probably go buy a mug that somebody carefully carved out of stone in the course of 10 hours, or you could go get a mug from a factory in China. If you want something lovingly crafted, maybe the 10 hour mug is for you, but most people want to drink coffee from something that maybe has a funny quote on the side. People commissioning art, by and at large, want something like "x character in x scenario", or "a picture of my dog :)" not a show of artistic merit.

I still also think that tracing and still getting a good looking product isn't as cut and dry as /ic/ behaves like it is. It's certainly a crutch, but it's not this miracle cheat code that people act like it is sometimes. I think we've all seen enough bad traces that we should all know it, I don't know why so many people refuse to believe it.

>>2670074
>>2670075
>Ear -> Eat

=> People make others life easier without them knowing?

>>2670066

Hello anti-Kyleposter, please kill yourself. You spend day in day out exclusively shitting on Kyle all by yourself, it's sad. You're the only one, you know. Do some art.

>>2670076
Shh, stop thinking logically.

>>2670084
I do art and I bet I make more than he does.

>>2670115

And I'm Stan Prokopenko ;)

>>2670115
and then you wake up

>>2669728
Link of the artist
please

>>2669728
I actually like the left image better.

Holy shit, fuck off with this.

>>2669976
You sound triggered Kyle.

>>2670213
Fuck off memester and diem

>>2670019
kyle will you please fuck me

>>2670061
Maybe it's loli- kruger from the porn thread?

>>2669901
Yes and no.
Tracing is good for:
>Tightening hand-eye cordination
>Training materials
>Hastening construction excercises
>Developing speed and confidence
Tracing is bad for:
>Observation
>Measuring

Never

>>2670019
i commend you for responding to the taroolz

What is the fucking link of the artist's gallery?

>>2670276
I got you senpai

http://trolchan.tumblr.com/

>>2670280
The Kyle's Gallery anon

>>2670019
Some cyber-bully decided to start being mean to Keppok and since she deleted all her work because of it they got bored and decided to start bullying you instead ;_;

Nice wip dude.

LEAVE KYLE ALONE

>>2669728
>tfw you aren't even at the left image's level

Why the fuck isn't this thread deleted?

>>2670487
Fate

>>2670487
was kyle smart enough to spam his works like maldraw to the point the very mention of his name is a bannable offense and makes him immune to any form of shitposting?

now you know why the malaysian is our god.

FUCKING DELETE THIS THREAD MODS ITS BULLSHIT

>>2670493
Mods dead board dead

>>2669728
Topkek

>look how broken the anatomy is the second he doesnt have the photo to give him the exact information
>what the fuck is happening with those knees
>what is that right leg

This is why you need to study fundamentals and anatomy kids, so your drawing doesnt just completely fall apart when you need to fill the blanks with the info from your head.

>>2670019
I love you!

Kyle here. Ask me anything. You guys seem to talk about me a lot.

>>2670654
wan fug?

>>2670654
Nothing to ask, but you should check that ego. Your head's getting big.

>>2670665
Who's got more Tumblr followers and notes? Oh that's right me.

>>2670688
See what i mean?complete lack of self awareness is repulsive past the age of 7

>>2670690
Stay jelly

>>2670697
No jealousy here friend we're comparable in skill level. I just hate to see you conduct yourself like this. There's no upside to being a rude asshole with a superiority complex.

""yes tracing is bad for your improvement only true masters draw everything from imagination, perspective, form, color, light, anatomy, pose"
if you wanna be a true master, grab a paper and start draw from memory and imagination

>>2670718
who are you quoting

>>2670720
everyone in this bread

>>2670019
what the hell why he's blog devastated?

>>2669728
can i get a full rez of the picture on the left

>>2670701
Post your work then

how's my latest face look?

>>2670019
Start a patreon!!!

I need more of your WIPs in my life

>>2670776
Patreon

WHEN???

>>2670775
You dont understand what im saying do you.

>>2670776
I doubt you even have a steady income from art. You barely post commissions maybe once a month. That face looks exactly like every single other live ever done. Now stop fucking making threads about yourself and samefagging.

Reported.

>mfw you all are jealous of me

feel good man

>>2669728
When it helps you make lots of money

>>2670816
You just get hard off of miniscule amounts of recognition on 4chan of all places.

Like, consider that it might be an actual personality disorder

>>2670816
Nothing's wrong with you Kyle. Your work is pretty great.
>notice how the fag taunting you still hasn't posted his work.

>mfw you all are jealous of Kyle

feel good man he does good art

>>2670408
>She erased her life's work from bullying.

This is what happens when pushovers that where the bulled kid from school get into the real world,
she would have been bullied out of business even if she opened a brick and mortar shop, i don't know if its more appropriate to laugh or to feel sorry for them.

>>2670832
>taunting

Jesus christ whats with you people its not a baseless insult, he DOES act arrogant and rude and unnecessarily aggressive.

.

Why are you all obsessed with this guy? I personally find his art creepy and uncanny.

>>2670853
This.

His faces aren't good looking at all.

>>2670853
His the most famous and well known poster on this board. And he's very vocal, the guy just talks about himself 24/7. He's a selfish artist with huge ego.

>>2670864
Is he the one whose art is featured on almost every porn thread? A year on ic never heard his name.

>>2670864
Not only does he talk about himself 24/7, so do you. Fuck off, both of y'all

>>2670776
Nice but I never quite understood the massive eyelashes
It doesn't look bad though, just an opinion

>>2670864
>>2670921
Do you have a single fact to back that up that it's actually him?
Also I couldn't care less how much of a jerk he is because right now he's one of the few good artists on /ic/
So fuck off and go make some art

>>2670690

How gullible are you, anon?

Glen Vilppu here, I'm just curious. You can ask me questions too.

Kyles art looks like he wanted to be Ishekei but failed

Sage and report

>>2670776
Kyle, why do you even care what these fuccbois on /ic/ think?

>>2669728
DrawABox supports ISIS
just so you know

>>2671115
I TOLD YOU SO, BUT YOU WOULDN'T LISTEN

>>2671115
explain?

>>2671115
well they're called religious fundamentalists for a reason

>>2672654
nice

>>2670408

and nothing of value was lost

I got rejected for a concept artist role at my company. Now that I know they trace everything I'm kind of pissed.

>>2672914
typical case of didn't make it and now jelly

>>2670115
Well, would you draw a little something up for us? I think I can come up with a couple ideas.

Why hasn't anyone reported Kyle to Nintendo? They can fucking shutdown his Tumblr. The guys samefags every thread and keeps making threads about himself.

Someone report him to Nintendo for Peach and Rosalina porn.

>>2674300
>Why hasn't anyone reported Kyle to Nintendo?
Because Nintendo don't shutdown fanart. And his main audience is not on tumblr, salty autist.

We love and miss you Kyle.

>>2674693
they do, mine was.

>>2669823
the heavy deformation outside tracing not allowed acording to you ?

>>2669924
that, need not be a pipe dream just because you have used tracing per say, how you use tracing is also important, if say you trace something and then you try figuring out the volumes and flows in it it is easier to replicate by drawing the volumes to take the edge off the psychological part, lack of confidence can be mediated by just proving to your unconscious part that it can be done. you need not stop there though. A taboo on tracing further hardens the sperm of a brain you may have when you start learning, one should i think try every fucking thing... and also do the damn work you feel works for you .

If kyle's art was terrible and if he wasn't making money no one would care.


You are just making a big fuss because he's successful and well liked where as you are not. You hate his success. Anyone who disagrees is just lying to themselves.

>>2669728
when you can blow hella ropes to it

>>2675019
I still don't know who kyle is.

>>2674988
It's troll sending fake DMCA. Post on pixiv/twitter

there are roughly 12 principles in drawing
step 1 understand principles in different contexts
step 2 apply principles one by one
step 3 apply as many as possible at once as you git guder.
come to ic
the end
and post scr
STOP MYSTIFYING DRAWING, IF YOU CAn..

>>2669910
Watch the movie Tim's Vermeer.

Just found this and put together an image. This was only two, but I'm sure there are more if I could be dicked to look. Can someone use their dumblr to call her out?

>>2675393
that's not tracing?

>>2675417
Prove it dumbass

>>2675393
Heavy Reference=/=tracing

>>2675417
>>2675433
Still pligiarism if the source is not mentioned

>>2675428
you should prove that someone traced, not prove that someone haven't traced, you dumbfuck.

>>2675445
The post already proved that you dense motherfucker. It's self evident. Ball is in your hands now prove those aren't traces or shut the fuck up.

>>2675417
>>2675433

Haha I forgot, I remembered back when I was 15 I called it "eyeballing" not tracing, too. Yeah copying an image another artist made and passing it off as your own isn't tracing at all. Isn't rhetoric a great argument?

>>2675457
people ref all the time. how many people from /ic/ post their studies on their tumblrs without posting the source, do you think? should artists credit when applicable? absolutely. do most? not really. am I going to ""call out"" some random person because anon said to? no. stop being a bitch and do it yourself. unless they're making money off it, it's a level 2 offense at best.

>>2675393
the heebs at it again

>>2675433
It's jsut trolls, or real retards from /pol/ shitposting

>>2675428
There are several differences between the way the people in each composition are posed. It's not tracing. He copied and essentially stole the ideas, but he didn't trace.

>>2670654
Can you post a gallery of your works? The ones with feet.

>>2675510
Me too

>>2675457
That's not tracing you dumbass, that's copying. Tracing in the general sense does mean "make a copy" but in the artistic sense, it's when you make line for line the same image again, "eyeballed" or not, you're not going to do that just by looking at it, you're going to place paper on top of the original and copy every line exactly the same way it was on the original 1-to-1.
Referencing may as well be tracing now, if that is what determines it being completely copied, just "looking the same" when it isn't the exact same image.

TL;DR: Everything you said is misscrewed and the only thing correct is claiming what you did as "original". THAT is when you're a faggot. At least make it not the same characters in the base pose, at least.

What did he mean by this?

Kind of unrelated to tracing itself but still on the topic of plagarism; I've seen artists promote painting right on top of a stock image (e.g rossdraws on his nidalee video) basically for the texture, is this still considered plagarism if it's a stock image?

>>2675647
>misscrewed

Nigger do you english. Look you raging, defensive homosexual, assume that bitch was doing that as professional work. Would it be acceptable? NO. End of discussion. It's blatant plagiarism and immoral.

>>2675704
>It's blatant plagiarism and immoral.
oh the humanity~

>>2675704
> I got to find some way to ignore all what I got proven wrong with, I know, I'll get triggered by spelling, that will show him!!1!
Get real.
>Ad hominems.
Just stop, you're not making yourself look anymore "professional" since you want to use that word now. If she was a professional, she wouldn't do it, yes, because she wouldn't be drawing shit entry level shit in the first place.

>>2675455
It doesn't look like tracing, and you won't transparent the images because you know you'd be wrong.

When you do it for yourself (like porn or whatever) and don't scam people off their money. This does not extend to your portfolio.

Then again most people on this thread are fags that would probably get knifed if they got out into the industry with that mentality.

There's only so much tracing can do for you senpai.

>>2675482
wow did someone really take the time and effort to look and compare each part of the heavly referenced drawing and find the orignal source for each part ?

>>2677734
you're missing the point just a bit, anon

>>2675482
wew
nips are even years ahead at shitposting

>>2677734
Yes. This is how dedicated, motivated and passionate they are which is why here you are.

>>2675482
I can't believe someone was bored enough to do something like that. Asian autism is next level.

>>2675482
This is amazing

>>2676111
Prove me wrong then

>>2678266

Not him and I don't give a shit either way if kyle traced or not, but I decided to do this in the interest of science.

It's quite close - perhaps suspiciously close - but it's not a 1 for 1 copy. Face is obviously stylized, waist is narrower, hips wider, crotch higher, arm thinner, feet are quite distant.

A competent artist could have gotten that level of similarity without a trace. If he traced, he still made some design decisions to make the end result "more appealing." Still very derivative, however.

>>2678288
> he still made some design decisions

That picture proves he traced. It's self-evident now. He didn't make any design decisions, instead he made decisions to hide the fact he traced, to cover up signs of tracing. If he had actually made design decisions there be more cohesion in elements towards the whole composition. Rookie mistake.

Kyle and dumbfuck canadian shit artists think nobody can see the obvious. A bunch of hacks. And ic seems to be thier breeding grounds lately.

>>2678328

>He didn't make any design decisions, instead he made decisions to hide the fact he traced, to cover up signs of tracing.

Well I'm glad we've got you here, eagle-eyes.

>>2678348
It's self-evident
are you blind?

>>2670490
fuck off maldraw lmao

>>2678369
I dont care about kyle but anyone who has any experience with the sight size method or done bargue plates could easily copy that well. It's not a trace you jealous dumb fuck and there's several proportions that are exaggerated.

>>2678328
so youre saying he made it bad on purpose to hide the fact that it's traced?

>>2678393
hi kyle
when you going to stop tracing?

>>2678404
no
He is so bad he can't make better choices to cover it up. He has no eye for these kinds of things.

>>2675482
>tfw not nearly as autistic as the autistic fuckers over at nipland

Despite all of this i would still pay money for kyle's work. This thread is pointless.

>>2678517
hi kyle

>>2670840
I loved Keppok but desu she was just ridding Brekkist coatails anyway, it is still sad because it's the same shit that happened to teal

but as someone said earlier

WELCOME TO THE REAL MAN'S WORLD

>>2678555
Teal was shit though

>>2678555
stop calling him teal, his handle is Simon

>>2678555
>https://boards.fireden.net/ic/search/text/Keppok/
>autistic /pol/tard creating threads all day
>probably Malaysia
>REAL MAN'S WORLD
/ic/ just need to permaban all peopel who visit /pol/ and /b/. Build the wall. And add post IDs or maybe flags

>>2678734
or ban phoneposting, literally kills the whole site

>>2678754
>literally kills the whole site of Reddit and make 4chan great again
ftfy.

>>2678734
Who is Malaysia?

>>2678850
google maldraw

>>2678850
>>2678853
no. dont google that piece of shit. ever.

>>2678860
>maldraw
Yes, is shit

>>2678734
This. Anyone who's IP visits /pol/ should be banned from most blue boards or good boards here.

Also, Keppok didn't do art of her own. She never had commissions for herself, all she did was bitch work for Brekkist. Coloring his comic pages and doing his laundry and dishes. Talent is wasted on her.

>drama and gossip in /ic/

I'm so fucking sick of this shit in this board. Can we please delete these threads and fucking ban the OPs of them? This is a board about fucking art not fucking drama and gossip.

>>2670019
hey kyle im making bank by tracing your shit
good luck trying to figure it out :^)

>>2678992
My keppok comm turned out bretty good, despite a perspective mistake

>>2670280
>ORDEM E PROGRESSO
Because I didn't need more reasons to absolutely hate this fucking country.

You could have made it by now if you spent your time working rather than worrying about people on the internet.

>>2669728
Realism painters trace all the time. It really doesn't hurt.If you can fill in 50 percent of the rest of the canvas form your imagination. tracing doesn't matter.

>>2677759
2ch has existed since the late 90s
they've got a big head start on us

anyone have kyles brushpack?

or just soft brushes in general

Can someone tell me who the fuck is kyle like what's his username/website

>>2679754
chocolatetwinky.tumblr.com

I don't think he likes to draw anymore or he just doesn't care anymore.This image is so lazy and boring looking.

>>2669759
I'm sure it's a sketch or something and he fixed it later... right?

>>2679777
Link isn't working? Did he change urls?

>>2678405

Hi anti-kyle anon, glad to see you're back in this thread. Have you drawn anything in between shitpost sessions?

>>2679973
try boipussy.tumblr.com

>>2679892

> boring looking.

>Commissioning kyle to draw boots

>Not bare foot

welp

Someone please report Kyle to Tumblr Princess Peach art. Get him shut down.

>>2678992
>This. Anyone who's IP visits /pol/ should be banned from most blue boards or good boards here.
What's the matter you butthurt kike?
Need your safespace?

Some seriously jealousy going on in here, but I guess that just sums up this board.

>>2680558
You know he's the one making this threads. He loves th attention. He's done this for years.

>>2679892
I hope he doesn't do art for a living, this is so fucking boring looking.

>>2680541
His main audience on hentaifoundry. He doesn't give a fuck about tumblr and tumblr reporting system seems broken or turned off. Doesn't work for me anymore.

>>2680598
hentaifoundry is a dead site. He's an idiot for using it. You talk like you know him? Hello Kyle.

>>2680598
hentaifoundry is a dying site.

>>2679892
>There are people willing to pay Kyle for porn that isnt feet related.

>ctrl + f "kyle"
wew

>>2670240
You forgot
>General artistic Integrity
Though the argument regarding time-contraints is very valid and justified in the commercial world, tracing is still frowned upon in a purely artistic sense. Any professional artist who works through gallery and portfolio submissions shouldn't trace because integrity and academic honesty is a significant factor in determining the skill of an artist.
Any sector outside the fine arts though, such as design and concept art accept tracing though as the anon has said.

Tracing is good and all until you try to do something that you don't have a direct reference for.

>>2678369
>Self-Evident
>I don't know how to use words

It's evident. Evident, you sperg.

>>2686507
Thats what they wrote, anon?

>>2669728
Here is your answer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ69QGXbhqk

>>2669728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz66OF_wblg

>>2675457
worthless post.