/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Brace for basically every single new artist burning out within a month.

Most new artists can't even handle a daily drawing challenge if it takes an hour a day. Implementing a strict, jarring practice regime when you're new is just asking to fail, for exactly the same reason that every other strict, jarring practice regime instituted out of nowhere fails. Ease into it my nigga, ratchet it up gradually, you'll thank yourself when you don't quit within a few weeks.

>>2661547

I appreciate the post but i have some people i promised to get back to in a year yesterday, 365 days of progress that could mean at the end I may even be able to do the main lineart for their comic. I owe these people alot so if i gotta be a hardass on myself let it be. Mind if i call you Fletcher? I need someone to shame me into not burning out as you mentioned.

>>2661552

Join LAS, that's at least a level of accountability that will help you get a daily habit.

You're still fucked if you think you can do anything close to 16 hours a day. Even 8 hours a day for a new artist is unrealistic.

In my opinion, anon, when you're starting out forming the habit is much more important than trying to grind out as many hours as possible in the shortest time period. The habit will keep you going, and making yourself miserable with intense routines before you have any positive habits is going to kill the habit forming process because it's going to be unpleasant.

>>2661557

Kek noooo the 16 hours a day is just a meme. My routine is alot simpler, though still tough. 3 Hours seems like a workout enough. I'll look into LAS. Also though the routine may be unpleasant, ill be honest i practically have no life outside the few good friends I have and school. So trust me when i say i have the time. It's just a matter if someone here is willing to motivate me to keep this up everyday, and if im man enough to see my mission through. I hope i have what it takes.

>>2661558
Post your work amateur scum

>>2661575

I have a dentist appointment but after thatll ill be back to start my daily 3 hours. Atm im trying to learn perspective so imma start reading the Beginners Thread sticky book today. Thatll be pretty much my 3 hour routine today.


Once again i just want to say i thank anyone here who will help me be one of the many artists ive always been mad jelly of. Honestly ive never had much to live for but seeing me able to drawfag for my favorite community has given me hope. In advance im sorry if i get emotional, i get a little down sometimes. If anything i feel with some help in my art ill only be getting to emotional on the positive side haha.

>>2661651
Geez anon, you're off to a quality high effort start

>>2661657
>high quality


Ohohohoho no

>>2661661
are you retarded?

>>2661666

I cant judge sarcasm well on part of me most likely having autism so if you werent serious im sorry. However with a little guidance im sure i can make highquality examples of foreshortening in no time.

What method do you use? The coil technique isnt that helpful for me. I like the stick figure one myself. Here was me trying horribly to combine the two.

>>2661672

my god awful skelly in that pose

>>2661672

My god awful skelly in that pose.

>>2661651
>Starting with Perspective Made Easy

Did you even read the sticky you should read Betty first.

>>2661687

No one likes Beginner Threads sticky? Only main sticky i ever trusted was /fit/ aside from the Starting Strength recommended book

>>2661687

Excuse me for being a retard, just sas that both stickies recommended it. I guess there isnt much difference between the two except the extra in the anon-made one. Ill start reading right after my appointment, thanks

>>2661687

Excuse me for being a retard, I just saw that both stickies recommended it. I guess there isnt much difference between the two except the extra in the anon-made one. I'll start reading right after my appointment, thanks.

>>2661704

Guess i was too busy drawing upside down guy to read the bottom paragraph. This shit is impossible.

>>2661678
>CALCIUM, son

>>2661708

Your wasting your time with Betty Edwards and Bert Dodson.

Do drawabox. drawabox.com

>>2661541

Reading a book is fine for fun, but you need to be doing fundamentals.

>>2661758

Neat site. Well if i wont be reading a book i guess itll be 3 hours of drawbox today.

Anyone fellow newbie is more than welcome to do the exercises with me. Maybe we can compare progress? Gym brahs in a way. Alrighty then imma get started.

Jesus christ ive been dicking around with just fucking lines for the longest and i still cant for the life of me hold the muscle memory to make them straight. Locking in my wrist and pivoting with shoulder only, all that mess. In time i guess.

Not countin this as part of my 3 hour workout today. Just been fucking around with lines so no real progress to document.

https://vimeo.com/124823784

draw from life
draw from imagination
do purposeful studies with a set goal in mind
never draw mindlessly

find things you can't do and learn how to do them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4tttsdhn8o


'draw x hours a day to be gud' isn't that valuable; you have a limited amount of focus. drawing for 15 hours a day doesn't mean much if you spend 1/3 of them mindlessly copying

>>2661541
books should serve as a reference to assist with life drawing, they aren't that valuable on their own desu

>>2661672
>>2661678

nigga are you even trying?

Slow the fuck down and take your time.

>>2662083

send help


But in all seriousness whoever recommended drawabox thanks the ellipses and box exercises i see helping out in the long run. The 'ghosting' i could do without but hey whatever builds muscle memory.

>>2661959
muscle memory will take weeks/months before you even start to notice it improve. take your time and be patient with yourself.

>>2662119

Alrighty, ill just suck it up. Kind of relieved, i thought it was just me having a perma-unsteady hand. So how long should i be practicing Lesson 1? He warns we'll ge bored of simple shapes but ill keep at it if you recommend it. Also ive never trashed so many pages of paper in one day haha. Honestly im loving the workout feeling, like working up a sweat.

>>2662122
You should be at it for at least a week. The effects will show in your drawings. People may be like well "why would you just draw lines all day? Go be an artist and draw life." but don't worry. This exercise will really refine your hand and by the time you get to drawing life, in lesson 2. You'll be able to place lines how you want them and where you want them. I do about 2 hours+ a day. Usually 3-4.

>>2662134

This makes me feel a whole lot better. One of the many things that deterred me from ever starting was how effortlessly the people i'd see drawing were able to draw lines and shapes without looking like they had parkinsons. If you say i should keep practicing Lesson 1 for a week then so be it but i wont have much cool progress to show haha. Well i guess youll see how much ive been practicing when they come out straight. Thanks for the response.

Damn, this thread is a really good idea. I take a lot of inspiration from One Punch Man to workout, wish I could to the same to art. Thanks, OP!

>>2662151

If only you could see the smile on my face, im glad i could help! But really i was inspired by this thread. Most of the workouts they suggested are absurd so i hope with this thread we everyone can get a Saitama routine based on their individual level/artstyle and whatnot

>>2661541
You're fucking dumb. Your rigid routine will get you to burnout city in no time. Art is a creative subject, not manual labour. Don't force yourself the extra hours if you really don't feel like drawing, you'll simply forget whatever you learned that day. Have a schedule but also be flexible and adjust when neccessary.

>>2662157
hehe you screencapped me.

No idea how serious you're about this but whatever I will bite and try to post some studies with you starting tomorrow, just don't burn out pls because that shit happens all the time, 16 hours is waaaay too much time, even for pros.

>>2662267
>don't force yourself if you really don't feel like

ayyyyy
that's literally cancer

>>2662356

Haha why does everyone think imma use the 16 hours routine? I should have used a different OP pic, for mine was 3hours of drawabox yesterday. Sadly ill just be do building muscle memory this week with the lines and shapes in lesson one since im still struggling to make them straight, traced exactly, and relatively the samesize and form. I'll have more exciting things to show in 6 days but if you guys say i need a week on the first set of fundamentals then thats exactly what i'll do. I'll make everyonr here proud i swear.

>>2662267

Learning the craft of drawing does not involve creativity, only hard work.

>>2661541
>>2661651
I look forward to seeing you post your progress after 1 year

>>2662474

Think itll be enough progress to draw a comic? Just judging by this skelly alone >>2661678 since its my "finest" work haha

Honestly im intimidated by the prospect of drawing on the level as most drawfags because they say they've been doing it since childhood. Im such an idiot for not starting sooner. I only pray i fufill my promise and am at least gotten gud in 363 days.

"2 hours"

NOT
GOING
TO
MAKE
IT

>>2662476

Fuck it then, ill add an hour. 4 hour workouts every day.

Ill get right back to lesson one in an hour, gonna run to my uni store and get me a straight edge. Some guy i let borrowed mine never gave it back. So my ellipses columns were and lines were trash desu. Gonna get my supplies today, and maybe check out the tablets they have. Already know i should get the Wacom Small 4

>>2662479
It's not about how long you work, it's about effective your learning method is. Different people learn things differently, some people learn better through books, while others might learn better through actual demonstrations. Find which learning method suits you the most and work according. Remember, there are many ways to reach the same result in art.

>>2662491

Whatever gaurantees me to be the Zyzz of /ic/ by the end of this year in all for it. I know its going to take time but the repetition techniques in drawabox i see could help me in the longrun. Its frustrating, especially ghosting when you arent even fucking putting pen to paper, but if it'll work it'll work.

Good luck to you OP

>>2662516

Much thanks brah. Just got my straight edge. Dont know the degree demographics of my uni but we must have alot of art majors because there was quite the variety of tablets to and sketchbooks to choose from. I think i should go back and get a sketchbook but it'd just be pages after pages of lines and shapes until i redo Lesson 1 like a hundred times this week.

>>2662523
Bosses always give more exp than scrub mobs. If you want to get good quick, you need to move on to tougher lessons. Do not keep doing the tutorial, do not keep doing lesson one. Challenge is Progress, you're already ready to draw illustrations- so long as you can face failure!

>>2662529

Gah theres so many ways people are saying I should begin, but i think compromises are always good. How about I build repetition through muscle memory for just like 3 days, then i move to Lesson 2? In fact thats a good idea ill do that. I gotta learn to steady my quivering ass hand.

>>2661758
>drawabox.com

Wow, I never heard of this site man. Not OP but i've been looking for what seems like an eternity for a good instructor who can show me a way to give my love of art a gateway into my own life.

The fact the instructor comes from a similiar background as mine ( a guy proficient in programming who always wanted to draw but lacked the confidence in himself) really inspires me and helps me understand his lessons, seeing as he also looked for a practical way to understand stuff instead of that obnoxious "just feel into it" advice other artists give.

I also like the way he structured his lessons, clearly the man knows how to build a website.

Thanks for this anon, i'll get on it.

>>2661678
2 spoopy, pls tone it down

>>2662579

You know what, as ugly as it looks i think it has a charm. I'll make it my drawfag avatar if i ever git gud enough to draw his thicc boney ass again.

>>2662587
he looks like a dark souls giant monster skeleton

is this shit even possible for wagecucks? you gotta be a fucking NEET

>>2662536
How's that assignment going? Got any progress?

>>2662906

Even for NEETs it'd be too much. If you could jam that many drawings in, you'd be rushing each one so much that you'd probably hardly learn shit all.

If you spent a minute each - far too little to do decent figure drawings, value studies or color sketches - that's still nearly 7 hours a day. There's a merit to quantity over quality on occasion when learning, but a regime like that leaves no room for quality or deliberate learning.

>>2662906
The first two are possible. The last two aren't unless you're good. Value studies would be at least 7 hours and color sketches? What?

>>2661678
stop poisoning my visual library with your shitty anatomy drawings

>>2662906
if each drawing takes on average 5 minutes, that routine will take 33 hours. If each drawing takes on average 2 minutes it will take 13 hours, this is assuming complete efficiency.

>>2662910

Im gonna be donating a shitload printing paper when my campus bookstore opens back Monday. Drawaboxguy recommended we just stick to pens in the beginning since it helps integrate newbies into tablet so ive been going through dozens upon dozens of paper just for the ellipses and boxes alone (dont like to draw on the back because of bleedthrough/hard hand)

Using my elbow and shifting the page helps with the hard drawing though so no carpal tunnel in wrist. In 3 days ill have actual stuff to draw i guess but i guess reps matter more than weight.

When you say assignments, do you mean doing these 'homeworks'? If you think itll help ill try it out but the exercises are pretty helpful enough. I'd recommend this site to anybody desu.

Is this the next tableguy in the making?

>>2663031

Who? Sorry its just that i only started lurking here 2 days ago.

Also i found out im free for the night. Nothing but part 2 of Lesson 1 for the 4 hours . Ill start in a few minutes.

>>2663042
>that top search
Kek

>>2663021
Nah, I meant the exercises. But on that dozens upon dozens of paper thing. Make sure you're not rushing and are focusing with each stroke you make on the page. That's the purpose of the exercise. If you do this, a paper should last at least 30 minutes for the line exercises. Plane takes only like 10 minutes to 15.

Alrighty then, since i have my resources i can call this my first real day on the path to earning my name and role as a lineartist. Since i predict other anons using this thread in the future, ill suggest everyone does what i'll do and just post things you want critiques on or anything your Fletcher-Sama/Sensei Rippetoe requests you to draw. Gonna get back to ellipses myself. Good luck to all involved including myself.

This is way more difficult than the first part.

Can't get them to be consistent nor touching, etc. etc.

>>2663118
You're going to feel so good about yourself when you're finally able to do them well anon, keep going

I'm losing so much patience in myself its frustrating. this is like my 6th time trying to replicate this one figure alone perfectly and i cant for the life of me imagine how he sees this and the other practice figures in its completion ahead of time. How do you keep up with so many fucking line placements? All mine always overlap eachother in small degrees where they shouldnt be throwing the angle of my circles all ways off. Holy hell.

>>2663192
Perspective is confusing like that, but eventually your mind can read it like the matrix. All the lines are for a different purpose and once you realize what they are, it's not so bad. Like, there's the four lines that go to the vanishing point and act as the corner of the square and then there's two lines that make up the top and bottom of the square and those go towards the left vanishing point. Then there's the two lines that act as the middle of the square and go towards the right vanishing point. The minor axis is the exact middle of the cylinder and there you go. Although, I think I overcomplicated it, it's just drawing an ellipse on a plane.

Also, your ellipse shouldn't be done so straight, so curve your arm move. Try to do it in one go too instead of point to point to point.

>>2663209

When you put it like that it makes it easier to understand what each set of lines is for, kinda assigning the place of each line in my head like a diagram. I just hope it'll be easier to not feel so overwhelmed by the amount of lines in the future. Thanks for the answer.

>>2663192
draw a circle on a pice of paper in a square, draw around a cup or something so it is a perfect circle, now look at it from an angle, this is what you are trying to draw, it might help.
Also watch this video and try pic related https://youtu.be/AaZmwHU7vZo

This is gonna take a while.

>>2663301
I recommend that you actually use the numbers on the ruler. This way your lines will be even. Anyways, there's not much point in doing that so just go back to your exercises or do the plane exercise. It's basically just drawing a circle that perfectly matches the dimensions of the plane that encapsulates it.

>>2663306

I'll be honest, as much of a genius with numbers my father is now he said both him and my mom failed their math classes in school. Numbers are just not my fucking forte haha so im sorry if I want to avoid my ruler. Literally all the digits and lines make my head hurt at first glance. Never thought I'd be dealin with math in art to be honest haha. Anyway thanks for the figure though. Just something I'll have to work on tomorrow.

>>2663042
He's a guy who started out drawing stuff on a table or whatever and then eventually started drawing mech stuff. Long story short he showed promise but ended up stagnating and regressed.

>>2663318

Well fuck that mess. I dont need all the time i'll be dedicating to this mission to be for nothing. Honestly you guys can call me a raging faggot if need be, anything to get me to wanna impress you more and git gud. I want to earn my name. All i need is your faith and asskicking. I'm so fucking ready to learn you don't even know.

>>2663322
Hope you're just not all talk and no action, brah.

>>2663331

Give me an exercise. Ill repeat it 100 times, let it take till morning if it has to.

Anything to show I'm not here to fuck around. I have a mission and its to become a lineartist for a certain comic but im not ready yet. So heres what imma do, give me a exercise or place/character/whatever to draw right this second. Ill have mastered it before i deserved sleep tonight.

Hit me.

>>2663338
fill a page with random dots, practice straight lines by connecting the dots together, put ellipses in the gaps the lines make, this is what you need to grind right now.

>>2663338
Alright, I'll give you something simple. Fill a page with boxes. Since you'll do it 100 times, that's 100 pages.

ive been drawing every day for months now. look how cocky i am. hehehehehehe

>>2663342
>>2663345

Sleep is for faggots. Alright you're both on. Linebrah i feel you matter just as much as Boxbrah so yours will be 100 pages too. What you're looking at in pic related is my campus loft that has yet to be torn asunder by the weight of your desire to see me earn the name. When I am finished, everything you see will be covered with a page from each of your challenges. I will not sleep until this room is painted with the effort of a true artist in the making.

Time to begin.

here is how i draw hands now

>>2663349
Damn, that's a nice room. I look forward to your determination. I'll be here all night anyways. Threads constantly updating, so I won't miss it.

Everyone overthinks practice so much on /ic/

>>2663356
Beginners underthink it. Think about that.

Dont worry, I'm not putting up one fucking paper until i can draw at least one of these fucking things perfectly and without a ruler. I dont care if this take me till the fucking afternoon, I'll just sleep tomorrow night. Ill make an update every hour if it'll show you I'm not in bed like a pussy.

>>2663425
Actually still going at it after a hour? Good progress. Be sure to read the self critique section on boxes. It'll help you fix those completely off cubes. I'll be waiting for the next update.

>>2663433

Looks like shit but i see i'll probably do better making the cubes 3D. Used a pen but with pencil i can make the "back" part of the cubes visible but just lightly to where its 3D. I'll see where it goes. Dont worry about these trash papers, only things ill cover my room with are boxes I can be proud of.

>>2663437
Do continue that draw through aka 3D with a pen. It'll help you greater than drawing without the back at the moment. You can go over it to make it darker with pen to highlight the closer sides. Drawabox has a section on what you're doing wrong as well. Your highlighting is in the wrong place and as a result it messes up your perspective. Keep at it.

>>2663437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2663444
Dynamic sketching is pretty good for you to learn once you've improved your line control since you want to do comics right?

>>2663440

Alrighty boss

>>2663444
>>2663446


Thanks but ill check the video after. I think the more i solely focus on 3D rendering in my head the easier for me it'll be to map it withour thinking too hard.

>>2663446
Dynamic Sketching is how he will improve his line control, not something for after the fact. It's kind of the seldom-mentioned prerequisite to everything else. The fact so many authors and online instructors omit how important raw manual dexterity is is unfortunate. It's probably due to the fact many of them have drawn so much since they were very young they've forgotten what being a clumsy beginner is really like. Of all the tutorials I've watched and books I've skimmed, I think only this video by Peter Han and Scott Robertson's book suggest a measured approach to this oft-ignored subject.

I can't draw very well yet as I'm a slacker, but I'd be in even worse shape if I couldn't even put lines where I wanted them to be, which is the state we find most no-mileage beginners in.

>>2663450
Hey brah, if it's too difficult, you can just do one point perspective. You still finish pages this way, but at the very least, it's a stepping stone. Draw a horizon line. Mark a point on the line. Draw a line somewhere on the page perpendicular and connect the points of the line to the point on the horizon line. It's explained in the third part of drawabox and it'll create a box if you mark it correctly. Use a ruler if you have to, to make it easier for you to understand. From there on, you can move on to two point perspective later. Like way later after you understand one point.

just draw every once and while and you will improve. The all in approach burn yourself out after a week is not very good.

Its gonna be a long fucking "night"

>>2661541
I honestly don't get this obsession with training 8 hours a day. Very few people can do this mentally, you can't concentrate for that long. Having a balanced lifestyle is way more important in the long run. Study for a couple of hours then ride a bike, see your friends, read a book, then a couple more hours training etc. You can have days when you don't study and days when you study a lot, it's fine. I've met and worked with dozens of gaming artists and 95% of them were extremely well adjusted with fulfilling lives outside of making art.
Study smart, guys.

>>2663477
To push our limits and be able to harden our willpower. Not live in comfort that we're always used to. We need to suffer and be at our lowest through mental exhaustion. If we can draw even then, we can draw at anytime.

Alright, gonna switch back to 2D for a bit. Obviously im a retard.

>>2663480
You sound like a parody but hey, if you feel like it works for you, keep at it!

I know Drawaboxguy says use pens to get used to tablets but good it was alot easier drawing these with pencil. Ill keep practicing until i git gud enough to hang some up with tap and lay on the floor tonight.

>>2663481
Wow, it sure looks like you're having a lot of trouble putting lines where you want them. I guess I'll just post this video here again and see what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2663489

with *tape


Sorry its 2:08am in this motherfucker my mind is gettin dumby

>>2663490
>30 minutes


Well alright if yall dont mind ill be gone for half an hour. Lets hope it helps.

>>2663481

You are going to fast.

The drawabox guy talks about patiences.


I did a month on Lesson 1. I still practice some of it everyday.

You are being too sloopy as you are rushing too much.

Seeing as your lines are really bent I would go back to the drawing lines exercise from lesson 1 and be patience.

>>2663495
30 minutes is just the beginning. If you really want to get good you will do this for several hours a day for at least a couple weeks. Until you can draw those lines without fraying the ends and can draw ellipses fairly consistently.

Also, ignore the shit he says about a staedtler pen. A mechanical pencil like you're using a great low-cost substitute.

>>2663490
>>2663499


Wait im literally just redoing Lesson 1 with this. Thank you though i appreciate it but unless shading one side willl help me keep my focus on the side of the square i might have to delay watching it. Im using up my precious awake time so i guess i should keep practicing the boxes. This shit is insanely hard. Never knew id be a geometry geius in this field.

>>2662529
But it's easier to kill ten 10xp scrub mobs than one 100xp boss

>>2663192
Am I the only one who thinks the ellipse in the example is not right?

>>2663543
No, you're right. It's absolutely wrong. Drawabox fucked up. Luckily there are better artists to learn from.

Mever been so fucking tired, but if illhelp with my progress then nonprobrm.

>>2663543
It's not, there's actually been discussion about that lately (check out the beginner thread I think)

Not only I have heard people comparing drawabox to discussing with your college peers after a lesson, that ellipsis fuck up has lead me to take Drawabox with a grain of salt. I'd definitely not agree that you are wasting your time with Betty etc, like one anon said earlier.

>>2663273
I didn't understand shit this image said (pic related is my main confusion of it). I have always had trouble with reading comprehension and the fact that English isn't my first language doesn't fucking help.

I'm not yet at the stage of studying perspective, but when I will be, MAN there are going to be a lot of tears. I have always hated perspective shit in art classes. I'm already stressed of this shit seriously. I have never been good at neat geometric shit. This will probably be the hardest shit for me to learn out of all the fundamentals.

>>2663550
Did you give up my man

>>2663550
Don't burn yourself out, know when to take breaks.

>>2661547
16 hours a day everyday will drain any artist. It's just not healthy.

It's important to practice a lot but you also need to take breaks every once in a while, even if it's just Sunday.

>>2663634
>I would think to myself, "what's the harm of just taking one day off?"
>"But I never stopped. Even when my arms started making weird clicking sounds I kept doing gesture battles"

>>2663489

Do not switch to pencils. The point of pens is they tell you the truth. A pencil does not magically fix your mistakes it just hides you.

FUCKING FELL ASLEEP LISTENING TO THIS ASSHOLE. IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN. In repentence for me losing passing out on my first challenge i decided to increase the pages ill need to set in my loft is 50 more for each challenge so 300 pages total by the end of the challenge. I have ALL day to do this so i am /ic/'s bitch for hours upon hours upon hours on end. The other pages will surely need room so you guys might just see my whole apartment tonight. From this day forward i promise not to fail you, I swear. I'll get started right this fucking instant and I've learned my lesson not to start challenges after midnight and eat carbs either.


Time to begin. Andnthis time it'll there'll be a proper end.

>>2663654
>draw something
>can't get it right
>get frustrated and pissed
>took a whole day off
>came back
>suddenly got it right
There's no harm, just benefits.

>>2663683
burnout in 3...2...

>>2663692

Fuck you im no quitter. I'm just getting started. Back to it then, same as last night. Just a few pages added is all.

>>2663683
>I swear

I can see now, I can see it ALL

some days/weeks/months down the line you'll give up, you'll just stop making threads and hide away in a little hole lamenting that you never made it, I can feel it in my bones

>i promise not to fail you, I swear
>I'll get started right this fucking instant
>I've learned my lesson

That's what they all say

The cycle of not-gonna-make-its continues

This cycle is endless

ENDLESS

>>2663551

Feng Zhu teaches this way.
Peter Han teaches this way.
Scott Robertson teaches this way.

The fact is Betty is an old women with outdated method of learning.

OP could learn his fundamentals and perspective so he can construct anything or he could waste his time on shitty pseudo science.

Anyway, drawabox is the best OP can get for free. When he does drawabox he can move on to Scott Robertson book that is much better.

>>2663546

As someone who has done both of Peter Han courses, it is better than drawabox, but it is also expensive.

>>2663697

>>2663703
long way to go senpai

>>2663717
a sketch a reply
makes happy your senpai

>>2663722
How are you going about drawing these? Just randomly from imagination? What method? All these cubes ain't right, it just takes a little instruction to get them generally "correct".

>>2663722
jesus, watch the drawabox video and LISTEN then apply. You're rushing and you're way too excited, you still have a year or two until you get out of the beginner thread.

>>2663752
you're drawing boxes wrong man

get instruction, then practice

>>2663752
Them bendy lines.

You have to analyse what you are doing and understand why you are doing something. Not just randomly draw.

Look at this http://imgur.com/a/EmdtF

>>2663766

I would personally go back to the first part of the lesson and focus on them.

Do a bunch of lines free hand. Do a ruler and see if they are straight. If not think hey does it bend at the end, is it bending at the middle? Is there any pattern to the mistakes you make and correct them.

Look at if your really drawing parallel lines?

I did a month of lesson 1. Then, looked at my worked and saw common mistakes of slighlty bending at the middle upwards. Worst yet I was not drawing parallel lines.

The box drawing is putting everything together. You need to go back and slow down. Look for your mistakes. Correct them.

I have 1000 sheets of paper and 2 hours of time I can dedicate to drawing every day, I am a total beginner and want to get started but I have 2 questions
1. Is this pen ok for drawing?
2. Is drawabox good?

>>2663654
The thing about OPM's training joke is that it's parodying the shonen training meme where exercise gives you God-Tier powers. If anyone tried Goku's ridiculous weight training and etc in real life, they wouldn't nearly be as strong, and OPM makes fun of that.

Determination is fantastic, but I absolutely agree that working smart is necessary. Digest each drawabox lesson slowly. Take breaks inbetween giving it your all. Do actual exercise, like go for a run or something, after studying.
>>2663766
>I read stupid crap about handwriting analysis
it's probably a bunch of bullshit pseudo-science, but you do cross your 't's awfully low.

Uh, but keep going at it anyway, it's inspiring to see you work and post, I hope other anons can look at this thread and be inspired to do what you do.

>>2663796
draw on a pad of paper instead of that glass surface

just grab some paper, 4 or 5, and draw on top of that

>>2663464
>just draw every once and while and you will improve

destructive advice

You need to draw every day. If you (I'm assuming that's your art) drew everyday you'd be 20x better than that.

>>2663554
look at the little green circles, they are a bit faint

OP, for boxes read perspective made easy.

Learning how horizon lines work will save you a world of hurt, you're eyeballing it right now which is why they're coming out so weird.

>>2663766
hey man, try to think of boxes as 3 lots of 4 parallel lines. pic related (sorry its a bit wonky, >tfw no tablet)
this is generally the same no matter the perspective, the line lengths are just exaggerated. hope this helps

>>2663818

Just so the guy doesn't get the wrong idea, it's worth stating that parallel lines will converge towards a vanishing point (except for the vertical lines unless you're doing extreme perspective, like looking up at a super tall object), they won't stay parallel. That's why plotting a horizon line is good, you can find your vanishing points, which helps prevent wonky ass cubes.

>>2663827
you got the red lines right, now just the blue and the black and you got it

>>2663849
I made you this since you are having trouble with boxes

>>2663849
stay away from the ruler mate, throw it across the room, your lines will get better with practice and drawing on a nicer surface like several comfy layers of paper instead of slidey hard glass will make things easier (at least it has for me)

only time you might wanna use a ruler is when you're doing the straight line practice in Peter Han's first video: draw a straight line with ruler, then draw over the straight line many times without ruler

>>2661758
>>2662546
>drawabox.com
worthless website

>>2663868
try and exaggerate the convergence more, make the stuff close up really big, make the stuff far away really small.

>>2663887
drawabox isn't bad, just stick with at least the first 2 lessons, I'd also suggest putting on a podcast or something to listen to in the background when you get to the parts that want you to draw 250 boxes and 250 cylinders or whatever it was

This thread is a goddamn trainwreck. Why do so many people recommend Dynamic Sketching to novices? It's a great course, but it's just not appropriate. All their novice enthusiasm gets burned up drawing lines and ellipses, then they get sick of it and give up.

>>2663698
Feng Zhu recommends that novices start by spending six months simply drawing pictures of stuff they think looks cool. Only then does he say they should start intense study.

Feng Zhu, Peter Han, and Scott Robertson only teach students who have been admitted to their respective schools -- not novices, but beginners who are dedicated enough to enroll in (and pay for) design school.

DrawABox is not the best OP can get for free.

>>2663793
1. That pen is fine. Cheap BIC pens are fine. Cheap pencils are fine. Just draw.
2. DrawABox is the worst version of this course in existence. If you really want to start with this method, then go find a copy of Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching videos, or a copy of Scott Robertson's How to Draw book. I would suggest you do what Feng Zhu recommends, though, and simply draw every day for 6 months -- doesn't matter what, just do it and think about what you're doing.

>you must spend countless hours drawing straight lines and basic shapes using expensive pens to get good

>>2663901
thanks for replying
I'll try your pic, the draw what you want meme and Dynamic Sketching in conjunction then, being able to draw straight lines would be nice though

>>2663905

Yes you do.

Also you don't need an expensive pen. A ballpoint pen is 1 dollar. A proper pen is like 5 for 20 dollars.

>>2663901

>This thread is a goddamn trainwreck. Why do so many people recommend Dynamic Sketching to novices? It's a great course, but it's just not appropriate. All their novice enthusiasm gets burned up drawing lines and ellipses, then they get sick of it and give up.

That is a good thing. Drawabox has about a 80% dropout rate and hardly anyone completes it up to Lesson 7. This is a good thing. If you truly cared about drawing and getting good you would do the lessons.

>Feng Zhu recommends that novices start by spending six months simply drawing pictures of stuff they think looks cool. Only then does he say they should start intense study

Feng Zhu has a very hard drop out rate at his school. It was posted on conceptart, but one of the reason the school has such a good hire rate is that a lot of people quit the school.

OP has only a finite amount of life. Why waste time messing around drawing for six months just to quit when you need to do the serious stuff.

Looking at all his exercises he can improve a lot. Lines wonky, not stopping, scratchy lines. No understanding of perspective.

If he wants to mess around, then just post in the beginner thread once in awhile.

You could probably get famous with crappy drawing skills. The person who made One Punch Man has no fundamentals yet has made it.

>>2663905
This is the first time I've seen that image used as a non-sequitur. In fact, in one of Sheldon's NMA videos (I believe in one of the later basic drawing ones but I can't remember) he said you should draw through spheres every single day and that he does so himself, which is functionally a manual dexterity exercise not unlike those suggested by Peter Han or Robertson. The fact Sheldon mentions it in passing is unfortunate. It's bewildering how many professional art teachers have forgotten how difficult drawing simple primitives freehand can be, particularly to someone with no formal training.

In any case, I'd suggest a mechanical pencil as a low-cost alternative to a felt tip pen.

>>2663901
>Feng Zhu recommends that novices start by spending six months simply drawing pictures of stuff they think looks cool
Isn't this literally every kid here who drew in grade school? Is he softening the blow to people who start late drawing or what?
>Feng Zhu, Peter Han, and Scott Robertson only teach students who have been admitted to their respective schools
Feng and Peter will teach you as long as you have the $$$. Robertson can't even draw an ellipse.
>DrawABox is not the best OP can get for free.
It's a fine resource for being free.

Also OP don't listen to this guy; he is the same fag who says Peter Han is bad and "not practical" from IRC.

>>2663118
See this looks like the drawing process has been broken down too much and created an insecurity

This would be like learning how to walk but you do exercises where you have to make sure your feet always land a certain amount of inches in front of the other and you're always a few inches off every 5 steps thinking you can't walk perfectly

I think we need to have confidence in ourselves to grasp drawing without needing to break it down like this. This is why I stay away from draw a box or most beginner stuff /ic/ recommends.

Drawing is never going to click for you if you're always doing exercises that never involve every aspect of making a refined well drawn image

>>2663925

You just love this don't you? This thread is juicy t-bone stake and you want to spread your lies. It won't work this time, old friend.

>>2663925
looool

>>2663920
>Yes you do.

Yes of course because where would the old masters have been without drawafuckingbox.cum

>>2663930
Where would you be if had it not been your dad not pulling out last second.

>>2663932
oh shit

>>2663913
Drawing every day is not a meme, it's how you learn. Every successful artist will tell you this. There are exercises you can do that will improve your mechanical skill and make drawing easier, but those exercises should never supplant the actual activity of drawing. Did you come to this board because you want to draw lines and boxes?

Most novices come to this board because they saw something that inspired them to learn to draw. It might be some design work, some fan art, a dumb comic in a drawfag thread, hentai, whatever -- they looked at something and thought, "I wish I could do that." They come here, start threads like this, and get directed to start their artistic careers by drawing countless pages of straight lines and ellipses. I'm guessing most of this advice is given by fellow novices who are still working on their "250 Cylinder Challenge."

There is value in these exercises, and you should work through Dynamic Sketching at some point, but it's not a course for novices. Why not just do the activity that you want to get better at, and fucking draw?

>>2663920
>Yes you do.
There are good artists who didn't spend countless hours drawing straight lines and basic shapes. Ergo, you're wrong.

>drawabox 80% dropout rate
That's not a good thing. An ideal teaching method would see 100% of people complete it and become better artists.

>FZD
You're using Feng Zhu as proof that novices should start with these exercises. He says the opposite.

>>2663921
Sheldon says if he wants to draw a straight line he'll use a ruler. If he wants to draw a circle he'll use a compass.

Scott Robertson uses ellipse tools as part of his workflow.

Basic shape and form exercises are important, but novices shouldn't focus on them. For someone with no ability they're simply a distraction.

>>2663923
I've said multiple times that Dynamic Sketching is a great course, and I backed Peter Han's Kickstarter for the Dynamic Bible. I'm not who you think I am.

>>2663935
>I'm not who you think I am.
my apologies but the anon I seek is ITT at this very moment >>2663925 is him

>>2663930
pic related
>>2663935
seeing as there's controversy here, could you post a drawing of yours, preferably with timestamp? I would like to see what doing it the way you did gets me to.

>>2663939
>telling novices to learn drawing by actually drawing things is controversial
You first, buddy.

>>2663913

Just keep on going. I have a ton of pages like this in my sketchbook. Just look at the mistakes you made and try to fix them.

>>2663949
I'm >>2663913 and >>2663793 so all I could offer you would be some more (not) straight lines, and your reply now makes me think you're a troll who doesn't draw

>>2663939
>pic related

not really

>>2663935
>Sheldon says if he wants to draw a straight line he'll use a ruler. If he wants to draw a circle he'll use a compass.

...and if I were making a mechanical drawing that's what I'd do as well. I would dispute that this kind of exercise is a 'distraction'. To me it's a prerequisite. It might be boring, but if you can't put lines where you want them how are you supposed to even follow along with Loomis or any other instructor to begin with? Manual dexterity exercises, drawing primitives and so on are in my mind drawing in their purest form, and are a foundation from which someone with no ability will build upon.

>>2663952
Thanks, I will!
What do your more recent drawings look like, assuming you finished all this fundamental stuff?

>>2663956
Beginner here, so should I go through Peter Han course before Loomis or what? I thought I will do what the sticky says but I don't know what to do anymore.

>>2663964
which sticky are you reading, the board sticky or the new updated "sticky" in the beginner thread?

>>2663966
Board sticky, never even heard about the updated sticky!

>>2663967
It's in the OP of the beginner threads, check it out >>2663585

>>2663964
Start with Keys To Drawing before anything else. Don't read anything by Loomis until you finish Figure Drawing For Artists by Steve Huston. Peter Han can be tacked onto your other studies at any time, it's mostly just grind-work to give you more line control.

>>2663964
Also the Right Side of the Brain is a meme, don't read it.

Longposter, Singa, if you're here please just tell me which instructor to begin with. At this point I'm so fucking confused with which lessons to start with i wonder if i should just be drawing stick figures like pic related until they evolve into real characters like the ones above.

yeah, keys to drawing is pretty damn awesome for the newbies

>>2663935

6 months of developing bad habits is stupid.

Also, what is the point of that. If he wants to be an artist he can sacrifice doing fancy stuff to grind fundamentals for 6-12 months.

If he wants to just masturbate and draw anime, then do that. Just don't make a thread on /ic/ saying he wants to improve and go on the beginning board and post there everyday making no progress at all.

>That's not a good thing. An ideal teaching method would see 100% of people complete it and become better artists.

Drawing is hard. No method could do that.

>>2663964

If you can get your hands on his video and go through it, then it is much better than Loomis.

Note, only the first three weeks are on "boring stuff".

Drawing boxes is a fundamental skill. Kim Jung Gi says he sees everything as just boxes in 3D space.

Krenz does essentially the same thing https://gumroad.com/krenzcushart

>>2663953
>telling novices to learn drawing by actually drawing things is trolling

How about this: the vast, vast majority of great artists did not start with Dynamic Sketching. If you want to see the work of someone who didn't take the course go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art -- there's plenty. "Post your work" is fucking cancer, and you haven't asked anyone else in this thread to do the same, so you can fuck off.

Here's Feng Zhu -- one of the authorities people telling you to do Dynamic Sketching have been bringing up in this thread -- telling you to just draw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Al7QAS89s#t=33m42s

I hope you get really good at drawing straight lines, anon.

>>2663981
See the link above. Just draw.

>>2663981
I'm not an artist, but whats going on in this thread about whats the most ideal way to learn is a phenomenon that happens in every field. Everyone argues about the best way to lose weight, to get muscles, to learn a sport, or literally any other pursuit.

You just need to choose the method YOU believe is best for you, and stick with it. Ignore the naysayers. No matter which method you choose, you will see amazing results.

>>2663992
So you are a troll, thanks for telling me, I'll go back to drawabox then

>>2663986
>6 months of developing bad habits is stupid.
Six months of developing the habit of drawing daily, nurturing your creativity, and turning novice enthusiasm into long-term dedication to art is invaluable.

>Also, what is the point of that.
You're seriously asking what the point of drawing is for someone who wants to learn to draw. Stop and think about that for a second.

>Drawing is hard. No method could do that.
Of course, but you're holding up a high dropout rate like it's some kind of accomplishment rather than a failure of the teacher. I could very easily come up with a course that has a 100% dropout rate. That wouldn't make it good.

>>2663992
How about I will do BOTH. Draw cool shit, whatever I like AND draw fucktons of ellipses and lines? Checkmate, nigger.

>>2664001
I could just as easily come up with a course with a 0% dropout rate, does that mean it'd be good?

>>2664000
Good for you, don't forget to donate to Uncomfortable's Patreon.

>>2664005
you sound bitter and jealous

>>2663986
I can easily do Peter's course, if that's what it takes. I can see how it makes sense, how the fuck can I expect myself to draw a human well if I can't draw a fucking line well? I got tons of patience and time too, so yeah, if Peter truly is the way to go, I'm game.

>>2664005
this >>2664006 desu, also why is it so hard for you to post a drawing? If someone on /fit/ were to give me advice I'd ask them for a body pic too since I don't need advice from permabulk neckbeards or dyel skeletors who just discovered GOMAD
Not to mention I was gonna do >>2664003 anyways

>>2663993

Thanks Ram, or hell whoever you are. I really do want to go with the method I want so i guess thag means i should try out all of these instructors for are least a day to choose then. Like when i started going to /fit/ last year i was always hearing do SS, SL, Blaha's Icecream, Sean10mm's Stripped (which i do and think is bretty gud) but it took me trying each routine out at least a week to see which one i was most comfortable with.


So i'll start re-reading through the thread and looking at all the sites everyone proposed and try them at least for a day or two. Whichever i feel alright with off the bat is where i'll start my journey. I hope every newbie will try each out too. Going to try out out drawabox for another day, look at the other lessons, see wherever it'll take me is worth it.

>>2664003
Great, just don't go around telling newbies that they need to draw fucktons of ellipses and lines to git gud because that's retarded, niggerfaggot.

This is exactly what happened to tableguy; he kept listening to different advice's and strayed away from what HE liked. If you're serious about this OP get off the computer, go through DAB exercises, and post your dump at the end of each day then read comments (if you want).

You are going to get stabbed by people here who hate anons who want to improve.

>>2664011
Post your work then and prove us that, you colossal faggot. If you can't draw basic shapes well you sure as shit wont be able to draw A HUMAN, which by the way consists out of those basic shapes you should be practicing at first. It makes sense and GOOD artists promote that way of learning. If you are telling otherwise then you got the burden of proof, fag.

>>2664006
This whole time I've been posting advice from accomplished artists and teachers which has been ignored in favor of advice from random anons ITT -- none of whom had to qualify to give you advice.

Some of those anons are using certain teachers as examples when those teachers have directly contradicted the advice they're giving.

You want to learn to draw. I'm telling you to draw, which is advice supported by every pro and teacher in the world. Your response is to ask me to post my work.

>>2663981

You could probably learn to draw really good if you do what algenpfleger did. Look at his conceptart thread called algenpfleger learns to draw.

>>2663984

The key to drawing is dynamic sketching.

Being able to see stuff as simple objects. Being able to draw a simple primitive in 3D space.

>>2664001

>Six months of developing the habit of drawing daily, nurturing your creativity, and turning novice enthusiasm into long-term dedication to art is invaluable.

Drawabox has a page about this. Motivation is a poison.

If OP treats drawing as some magical thing that needs creativity or enthusiasm he is going about it the wrong way.

Drawing is like hammering a nail into wood. You don't need creativity for that. You don't need the stars to align for that. He does not need long term dedication.

>Of course, but you're holding up a high dropout rate like it's some kind of accomplishment rather than a failure of the teacher. I could very easily come up with a course that has a 100% dropout rate. That wouldn't make it good.

The point is most people who do drawabox probably had interesting in drawing, but drop out for easier things as they realize hey maybe art isn't for me. The same is similar to Feng Zhu course with high drop out rate.

>>2664017
>Post your work

End this meme

>If you can't draw basic shapes

THE PETER HAN COURSE IS NOT ABOUT LEARNING TO DRAW BASIC SHAPES. IT'S ABOUT LINE CONTROL.

>>2664020

No you've been pulling shit our your ass. You won't post your work because your reverse flipping image technique won't work here.

>>2664029
It's not a meme, I want to see where ignoring the line grinding shit leads to. Why wont you show us that?

Line is the foundation of everything, things consist of basic shapes, basic shapes consist of lines. How the fuck are going to draw ANYTHING if you can't control your line?

>>2664026
>Motivation is a poison.

This is silly - motivation should be harnessed when it's available, it just shouldn't be a crutch.

If you feel highly motivated, it's best to use that motivation to form good habits rather than intentionally snuff it out by doing shit you hate until you're miserable because "it's a poison."

As usual, there are people on this board who take a good basic concept ("rely on discipline over motivation because motivation is fickle") and twist it to such a retarded extreme it becomes counterproductive ("motivation is a poison and it's bad, you should intentionally snuff it out.")

>>2664042
good post

>>2664030
Sheldon Borenstein says it's unnecessary to draw straight lines or perfect circles. Go watch his videos on NMA.

Scott Robertson uses ellipse guides to draw ellipses and uses straight line exercises as warmup only. Go watch his Gnomon videos or read How To Draw.

Feng Zhu says to start by drawing what you love and move on to study later. Go watch the video I posted above.

>>2664037
I'm not saying ignore the line-grinding, you're misinterpreting my posts.

I'm saying if you're an absolute novice you should not start with Dynamic Sketching because it will burn you out and you will not see an appreciable improvement in your drawing, even if your lines and basic shapes/forms improve.

>>2664026
The single worst post I've read on /ic/. You should not be giving advice to anyone.

Here's your hero Feng Zhu directly contradicting you:

>One, start with your interest. Just draw. Even if the drawings are bad, but draw something you have interest in. There's no right or wrong subject matter -- if you like spaceships draw spaceships, even if you like girls with swords and they're half naked, if that's what you like to draw, draw! Do whatever it takes to start drawing. For me it was science fiction stuff, I love Star Wars, so I was drawing spaceships, space stations, and storm troopers and whatever. It doesn't matter, because if you're putting pen on paper and moving your muscles and your eyes and your brain you are starting the very beginning building steps of this business which is that you have to like to draw. No matter what, you have to do this for years and years and years and drawing is what you'll be spending a lot of time doing. You have to love to draw, so start there. Start with your interest. You don't have to have a professional tell you that you should be drawing furniture or something and you don't like furniture -- then don't draw it. Build your interest level up first, if you want to draw aliens, go ahead, if you want to draw spiky mountains. In the beginning it's all fine. Now when you do that, try to fill pages. Give yourself a goal like five pages of whatever interests you and draw that every single day. Do that for a while. Get that memorization, get that love, get that schedule on board and then you can start focussing on learning properly. But the first step is to draw.

>>2664037
>I want to see where ignoring the line grinding shit leads to

Check out all the art work that was created before the dynamic sketching course graced the world with its presence.

>How the fuck are going to draw ANYTHING if you can't control your line?

You can't, but are you aware of the fact that you can learn to control your lines just by actually fucking drawing?

>>2664046

>sheldon says this
>robby says that
>feng says this and that
you're full. of. shit. NMA doesn't even have a structured path of learning despite them saying for over a year that they would fulfill this. I've watched Sheldon (and you haven't) and he sings a song on "simple shapes" line, and scribble.
http://2d.cgmasteracademy.com/programs/
What is block 1 in the foundation program on this site? Perspective and dynamic sketching. Everyone goes through the same steps or similar to move on to the next steps.

>>2664026
>most people who do drawabox probably had interesting in drawing, but drop out for easier things as they realize hey maybe art isn't for me
Maybe they realize spending hours filling pages with lines and ellipses under the tutelage of a guy who took Dynamic Sketching twice and decided that was enough to qualify him to teach -- despite the fact that he's never been professional and he's not trained in education -- wasn't what they wanted to do while learning art. Maybe they wanted to actually produce beautiful images.

>Feng Zhu course with high drop out rate
The FZD course has a high drop out rate because the tuition is non-refundable. That's a topic for another thread though.

>>2664061
>you're full. of. shit.
Go watch Sheldon again, you didn't pay close enough attention.

Nice to see that you disregard Scott Robertson and Feng Zhu when they contradict your personal beliefs.

>http://2d.cgmasteracademy.com/programs/
That's a great program, but it's aimed at amateur artists who want to become designers, not at complete novices.

>>2664069
The fundamentals are universal no matter what you want to get into. Stop posting your bullshit, reptorado.

>>2664071
>Being this mad and wrong at the same time

Newbs take notice: this is what drawing circles all day does to your brain.

Okay I read the new sticky. So I will start from Keys To Drawing, but what should I do after that?

>>2664071
Please point me to one place where I've said the fundamentals are not important. If you can do that I'll stop posting.

This whole time I've been saying that novices should start by just drawing and move on to studying the fundamentals after a few months of practice.

>>2664072

Share some more legendary art "philosophy" passed down from your mentor oh great disciple of bullshit.

>>2664073
Anon, there is no algorithm that will make you good at drawing. You cannot just follow a sequence of steps until you magically become good.

Draw.

>>2664073
just, go through keys to drawing first, it'll take a while, you don't have to plan your path now, and the sticky has a good plan already, refer to the sticky after you're done, just start working now, START

GO GO GO

>>2664074
Why can't he do both? Why do you refuse someone can't draw for fun for 6 months like you say AND study the core fundamentals. Sure for him to not burn out he should start out at an hour a day and see how much he can handle.

The sticky is there for a reason. It is tried and proven.

>>2664078
I know, but I'd like to plan my own journey a bit beforehand. Since I'm completely clueless, I thought I could ask here.

>>2664081
Yeah okay. Sorry for being so retarded but I really just want to make sure I'm not fucking up, so at first I will focus on ''Observation and Sight
'' and go through keys to drawing. Will I then move to Line and Shape, start Drawabox, move on to Construction and start Loomising and so on?

And yes, I will start working NOW!

>>2664087

1) Read the Sticky
2) Get off the computer, don't read anything here you are being deceived mostly.
3) Draw

>>2664082
The first few months should be spent developing the love for drawing, cementing the drawing habit, and nurturing creativity -- I agree with Feng Zhu, tehmeh, and countless other pros/teachers on that point.

Grinding the core fundamentals isn't really compatible with those goals. The novelty wears off quickly and it starts to feel like a chore. The more practice feels like a chore the less likely the novice will want to practice. Not to mention the complete lack of creativity involved.

To make matters worse, people on /ic/ will shame you for not wanting to fill pages with lines -- we've seen some of that in this thread. So the novice who presumably came here wanting to draw something cool instead directs their energies towards basic mechanical exercises, burns out, and is told that since they can't hack it they're clearly not meant to be an artist.

You can try to do them simultaneously, but that's counterproductive. Drawing daily doesn't negate the fact that the fundamentals grind will drain your motivation. Contrary to what another poster said earlier, motivation is important -- particularly for novices, who haven't established themselves sufficiently to have built a decent amount of dedication to art yet. Use that novice motivation to build that dedication, then use that dedication for the grind.

Develop the love for art first, then improve the fundamentals and the mechanical skills. At this point you'll already know that you love drawing, so getting sick of repetitive practice won't make you question the whole endeavor and you'll be more able to grind through it.

After three years it won't really matter whether you started the fundamentals at month zero, month three, or month six. You'll be far more likely to make it to three years if you love drawing, though.

>>2664073
Keys to drawing has a lot of fluff, watch accuracy by Dorian Iten, it's free and cuts out all the bullshit. Basically it teaches you how to be observant and copy things, you said there was a comic you wanted to do penciling for, so watch accuracy and use it to copy frames from the comic, alternate this with doing the Peter Han line and ellipse exercises, copy a panel, do a page of Han exercises, repeat. When you get good at this it's time to move on to 3d shapes and you will have a much easier time than you are having now.

>>2664105
That's like saying if you love piano just beat the scales and let whatever sound comes out of instrument be your joy. Or if you want to code websites just use wix for 6 months to see if you love coding websites. Or if you love the idea of cooking just practice making omelets and only omelets for 6 months because you like the idea of being a cook but are afraid of learning everything it takes to being a cook. Etc, etc, etc...

Art is hard. You need to know it takes hard work to become one at the very beginning or you are going to waste those 6 months with your rose tinted googles with being in love with the idea of being an artist rather than trudging through the work to become professional.

Aside from memes, I think Feng Zhu, as I said before, is softening the blow for people who are starting late at art. Most people here have been drawing since they were kids, those 6 months have long been fulfilled to see if they truly love art. But for the 18-20 something? Dare I say it's too late? No, but they are adults and if they want to make a living off this they need to get their shit together and know it's going to take work. They aren't kids where they can experiment with drawing pretty pictures for mom to hang on the fridge.

Can't believe I typed all this out for a troll. My last post on this topic.

>>2663451
looks pretty stiff anon, give it more of a gesture/loose look.

>>2664132
Do you even know what a troll is?

>>2664134

suck a dick I'm done with you, you know what I mean--shit opinion and you don't draw

>>2664135
>implying

>>2664137
Not him but guess what fag, I actually did that ''6 months'' bullshit, in fact, I did it for ~10 years. Bullshit drawing, I regret every minute of that. If I could go back I'd start grinding fundies since day one, I would be amazing at art right now instead of dogshit I am.

I'm picking up drawing and sure as shit wont do what you said, I can't afford to waste any more time on bullshit drawing. I already know I love art, especially if my art is GOOD and not cringeworthy shit.

>>2664141
sycra?

>>2664143
What do you mean by that? I want to understand the joke.

>>2664145

It's an internal meme that sycra has been drawing for 10+ years and still isn't "good enough" yet; pointy chins, poorly drawn anime, mah style, depression .

>>2664141
>I actually did that ''6 months'' bullshit, in fact, I did it for ~10 years.
>in fact, I did it for ~10 years.

So Which is 20x what anybody is recommending. Nobody is saying ignore all the fundamentals for ten years anon, nobody is even saying ignore fundamentals for six months, they're saying don't make it a shitty grind right out the gate.

There's merit to the suggestion, unless you want to become a creatively stunted study machine who knows how to practice but not how to create.

>>2664141
>i "just drew" for 10 years without studying
>therefore "just draw" for 6 months and then start studying is bullshit
Good one.

>>2664147
>unless you want to become a creatively stunted study machine who knows how to practice but not how to create
>what is visual library
>gives feng zhu advice
>deliberately ignores other feng zhu advice
just stop posting
>>2664148
you too parrot, think for yourself.

>>2664147
Well I did say I regret EVERY minute of it. There is no point in doing bullshit drawing for a second.

Also he did say that doing both (bullshit drawing + grinding) is counterproductive.

I really don't understand the logic behind it, there's no reason to waste any time for not studying. This anon worded it well: >>2664132

If I knew any better 10 years ago I'd start studying since day 1, not essentially wait for 6 months. I know I'd love to draw if I was good at it, so 6 months of drawing shitty art wouldn't do any good to me. Sounds really fucking pointless to me. I want to get to the business immediately.

>>2664151
>just stop posting

It was my first post, I know it probably surprises you that more than one person on earth might disagree with you.

>>2664132
>beat the scales and let whatever sound comes out of instrument be your joy
Draw lines and ellipses and let whatever shapes come out of pen be your joy.
>if you love the idea of cooking just practice making omelets and only omelets for 6 months because you like the idea of being a cook but are afraid of learning everything it takes to being a cook
This is exactly what you are recommending to novices by saying they should emphasize grinding fundamentals over simply drawing. It's a funny coincidence that you would choose the omelet as your example, because cooking a perfect omelet is considered one of the fundamentals of cooking. See, I'd suggest that if someone wanted to learn cooking they should start by cooking stuff they want to eat and then once they're comfortable and engaged with the process of cooking they should move on to grinding specific techniques -- like the omelet -- until they reach chef-tier.

>if you want to code websites just use wix for 6 months to see if you love coding websites
Weird. I'm a programmer and the method I've outlined in this thread was successful for me to learn programming as well. I spent six months just coding, doing my best to make stuff work and figure out where I was going wrong. Then I started studying. I certainly didn't start with the fundamentals of CS, although I'm now very comfortable with them and they've helped me immensely.

>Art is hard.
Yes, but it's also a joy.

>Feng Zhu, as I said before, is softening the blow for people who are starting late at art.
I see. Reference him when it suits you, then put words in his mouth when what he says doesn't match your feelings.

good thread

>>2664132
>>2664155
There are novices in this thread who literally only have lines to show for themselves. So yes, there are people trying to start out who have not spent much (if any) time drawing before.

Do you think they should jump straight into grinding fundamentals exercises?

>>2664155
>advocate thoughtful deliberate practice to develop a love of art
>anon sums it up as "bullshit drawing" and then argues against "bullshit drawing"

That's the definition of a strawman argument, anon. I'm sorry you wasted ten years. Perhaps if you had actually been putting effort in that whole time you would've found that drawing a lot does make you better at drawing.

You guys are not going to make it if you wasting six months.

Assuming you did 7 hours a day, for 25 weeks that is 1,400 hours.

You need 10,000 hours to get good. Why you wasting six months messing around.

You think chinks are wasting six months not doing fundamentals. You think Koreans are not doing fundamentals. You think the guy who is at art school is not doing fundamentals.

If your above 18 and think hey lets just mess around for six months feeling if I want to do it, then you will not make it.

You need to do fundamentals anyway. If OP hates fundamentals so much maybe not do art at all. Imagine if OP was 18 and wanted to become a physics professor. Would you say to him don't learn abstract algebra, don't learn newton mechanics, don't learn calculus? instead waste six months reading popular science books on physics. That would be wasting his fucking time.

If OP, did 10 hours a day on weekdays and 16 hours a day on weekends, in 25 weeks he would have 2,000 hours under his belt.

People on here won't make it on art. You need to go all in. There are art students now doing 16 hours a day getting better, they are probably better than OP and younger. Why waste 6 months doing nonsense.

You need to be prepared to do anything to get good. If you cannot grind fundamentals, then you have to hope to get lucky in art or start really young or have crazy talent.

Prepared to do anything, prepared to burn.

>>2664168
>You need 10,000 hours to get good.
you need 10,00 hours to be a master(if that shit is even true) you don't have to be a master to be good, you don't have to be a master to get work.

>>2664168
>If your above 18 and think hey lets just mess around for six months feeling if I want to do it, then you will not make it.
Nobody is saying that. Rethink your post.

>>2664157
>Draw lines and ellipses and let whatever shapes come out of pen be your joy.
Now you're just trying too hard.
>It's a funny coincidence that you would choose the omelet as your example
I'll admit I don't know a damn thing about cooking, because I draw unlike you. I'm sure if I googled my facts for prepare my reply on cooking like you did I would appear smart to continue the conversation. I only picked an egg because it reminded me to watch Shokugeki today and I still can't watch it because I'm still replying to your bullshit.
> I'm a programmer
And I'm bill gates. Even if you are you just proved to the class you don't draw and faggot from /g/ just starting shit.
>Yes, but it's also a joy.
And you know this how? You don't draw, mr. programmer.
>I see. Reference him when it suits you, then put words in his mouth when what he says doesn't match your feelings.
Feng is also a salesman. To tell his viewers over the age of 18 that they should draw for 6 months to "see if they like it" is marketing. Again most people drew since they were kids. That's why you hear most people say "oooh I've been drawing since like forever now." It's softening the blow, that is how I see it and nothing more. You can't take >everything< 1 guy says at face value, you have to see it critically, especially when it comes out of the man himself, the owner.

>>2664172
How old are you? I'm serious.

>>2664173

>losing the argument (if there was any)
>asks my age to change the subject
you're a real riot my dude...and also your posting style is exactly like that one anon.

I like how the argument in this thread has turned from "You shouldn't start with x book, it's not that accessible to beginners." to "Don't waste all your time doing basic line exercises, you'll be able to practice that on any drawing" to "Spend time on things you enjoy rather than just grinding, especially at the start" to "why would you TOTALLY IGNORE fundamentals for 6 months!"

Everybody is batting back and fourth making their own retarded strawmen for their opponent's argument, which is turning into another argument.

Most people are advocating not making yourself miserable in the first six months grinding, they're not saying deliberately avoid learning fucking fundamentals. They're saying emphasize actually drawing things, forming good habits and having fun rather than setting up a big regime to grind up all your fundies. But somehow, in typical /ic/ fashion, people take "Do personal projects and have fun for six months to develop a love for the craft" to mean "I hate fundamentals you shouldn't do them fuck fundamentals I swear if I see a single perspective line I'll come to your fucking house and gauge your eyes out you cunt."

I have a revelation for some of you. When an intelligent human being is drawing things for his enjoyment and he hits a roadblock where it doesn't look good, he takes the fucking time to figure it out, which usually means learning your fundamentals. It's just integrating learning fundies into your routine instead of building your routine around grinding fundies.

>>2664161
From my experience I'd tell them to do both. Just like with when you start to play instruments, you will start from boring and easy songs and then advance further. I remember when I started playing piano, at first I just wanted to play songs I like, I didn't even glance at the basic stuff because lol whatever.

I got nowhere, with that. Then my dad told me to not ''start from top, you need to work yourself up from the basics, then you can play the songs you actually like''. I'd apply the to drawing, yeah studying fundies might be boring as shit but you need to learn them to get good. You will thank yourself later, nothing comes for free.

And yes, to me just mindlessly drawing is bullshit drawing. I'm not strawmaning anything. Drawing shitty anime or copying disney wont help you my man. You learn hardly anything from that. Drawing shitty art for six months might actually just piss me off more than ''make me love art''.

>>2664172
>I'll admit I don't know a damn thing about cooking, because I draw unlike you
>Even if you are you just proved to the class you don't draw and faggot from /g/ just starting shit.

Not him, but are you fucking for real right now? This "I don't do x because I draw" is ridiculous, you sound like a jackass just for saying it. Even professional artists do things besides draw.

I'm not saying you need to be a master chef or programmer, but the argument "if you know anything about something that isn't art you're obviously a dirty new hobbyist" is just nonsensical. The fact that you're idealizing being outright useless in every other pursuit is kind of sad.

>>2664188

He admitted he is a programmer in his post and doesn't draw. Secondly I know who he is, he literally doesn't draw and is a master at deceiving. Don't fall for his lies.

>>2664190

>He admitted he is a programmer in his post

Correct

>and doesn't draw.

False.

Did you drink the kool-aid that if you don't draw 16 hours a day you're never gonna make it? You could learn programming as well as art too, if you spent this quality shitposting time studying it.

>>2664172
It's odd to criticize someone for knowing about cooking, dude. Apparently being successful as an artist means having zero outside interests or pursuits. That's not going to turn out well for you in the long term.

I program professionally, I don't draw professionally. It's only feasible to have one career at a time. You chose piano and programming as two examples of skills that you can't develop by "just doing it." I'm good at both of those things and in both cases I initially learned by just doing them until I was capable enough to benefit from instruction in the fundamentals.

>>2664178
I'm guessing you're somewhere between 18 and 22, which means you're probably not professional-level in any skill yet. That's fine, young people rarely are. It does mean, though, that you can't look back at your successes and see what you did that made you successful. You have an advantage over me in time, but I have an advantage over you in experience. It also happens that my personal experience matches the advice given by pro artists and instructors. When I took the approach I used to learn piano and programming and I applied that approach to drawing, I was successful.

But according to you I don't draw, so none of this really matters.

>>2664190
You don't know who I am, friend. I don't post on 4chan that often, and only on /ic/.

>>2664192
>if you spent this quality shitposting time studying it
I'm certain I drew more than you today and submitted to LAS.
>>2664194
I have you by the balls, old friend. Because we're anon I might keep replying to the wrong anon, but you know who you are. I know you're here.

>>2664184
Don't bother wading into the debate, anon, it's a waste of time.

>>2664186
>And yes, to me just mindlessly drawing is bullshit drawing.
I agree, but nowhere in this thread has anyone advocated mindless drawing. You're the one who keeps bringing that up, but nobody is saying to draw mindlessly. In fact, I've clearly said the opposite several times.

>>2664201
>>2664105
>You can try to do them simultaneously, but that's counterproductive

>>2664198
You replied to the wrong anon again. Do you see the problem with thinking you know who an anonymous poster is?

>>2664204
Do you see the problem that anyone can pretend to be someone else? I won't fall for your tricks.

>>2664203
Read >>2664184

The post you quoted is talking about doing grind exercises while just starting out, not solving problems in your drawings through research and practice.

You're getting worked up about something nobody has said in this thread.

>>2664205
You sound delusional.

>>2664205
+I will add

this is exactly what that anon I'm talking about likes to do, pretend to be other people. More and more evidence you keep leaking. Keep it up, I'm proud of you.

>>2664213
Instead of fighting with your imaginary friend, how about you actually try to make some salient points about learning to draw?

>>2664198
>I'm certain I drew more than you today and submitted to LAS.

I was talking about programming or literally anything other than art, because I was saying the premise "because you do x thing that isn't art you don't draw" is just ridiculous.

And if I'm reading that timer correctly, 2 hours? Really? 2 hours of art has precluded you learning any other valuable skill? You can't learn to cook at any point in a waking day that generally consists of 16 hours because of art?

>>2664212
>let me reply in 3 words, makes me look mentally sane
but behind the screen I can see your cheeks are rosy red from someone knowing it's you. You can't help it. You want to lap up all the (yous) you can get.

>>2664217
Is this what drawing straight lines for hours does to your brain?

>>2664216
I drew more than you today. Why you attacking me for 2 hours when I have 11 more hours before bedtime is beyond retarded.

>>2664209
Huh? Did you even read what I wrote to you?

Someone asked him this:

''Why can't he do both? Why do you refuse someone can't draw for fun for 6 months like you say AND study the core fundamentals. Sure for him to not burn out he should start out at an hour a day and see how much he can handle. ''

And his answer was:
>You can try to do them simultaneously, but that's counterproductive

From my experience I'd tell them to do both, but clearly at some point this guy disagreed with me. I'm not getting worked up over nothing, as you can see he literally said this in this thread.

>>2664216
It's not even about learning to cook, he was criticizing having general knowledge about cooking. Eventually this guy is going to emerge from his haze of drawing boxes in 3-point for 10 years and realize that he has no idea what to draw.

>>2664220

>I drew more than you today.

How, exactly, do you know that?
Furthermore, how exactly does that matter?
I could have never drawn a day in my life and that wouldn't change the fact that you drawing for two hours has not precluded you from learning another skill and that the premise "If you improve any skill except art you don't draw" is flawed. I never made the argument that I draw more than you (but 2 hours is still nothing to brag about, anonymous).

>when I have 11 more hours before bedtime is beyond retarded.

Time presently being well spent. You're not going to, but let's say theoretically that you did. What I explicitly told you is that if you spent THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW doing something other than shitposting on /ic/ you would literally have had the time to cultivate a skill beyond art. But you seem in love with the idea that to be an artist you need to be literally completely useless in every single other pursuit (but making time to shitpost on /ic/ is required), so whatever floats your boat.

>>2664224
Simply stupid. My goal is this so I'll be fine ;0

>>2664226
>You're not going to
Right, because it's the weekend and that's when I binge watch all season anime, during the weekend. Or do you seriously take the 16 hour meme seriously?

>>2664223
That was my post, and if you read the rest of it I'm clearly talking about grindy fundamentals like drawing lines, ellipses, boxes, etc. As another poster pointed out, it would be completely nonsensical to actively avoid learning things. The point is that the initial focus should be on drawing a lot and trying to improve, not on grindy exercises -- even though those exercises may later be helpful for continued improvement.

I posted several of tehmeh's posts where he talks about this. I doubt many people read them. In one he brings up the example of drawing a dog. If he wants to draw a dog he doesn't go collect reference and study canine anatomy, he just draws one. Then he looks at it critically, tries to see what's wrong with it, and draws it again. This is how you start to get good. At a certain level, reference and anatomy study will certainly be helpful, but the end goal is to draw a dog that looks good, not to understand everything about canine anatomy.

is OP still here?

>>2664233
Why would he be?

>>2664229

>Or do you seriously take the 16 hour meme seriously?

What the fuck are you even talking about now? I never said you should, I inferred that you won't and even that if you did that it wouldn't preclude learning other skills.

You're either shitposting, a complete retard, or both.

>>2664235
>it wouldn't preclude learning other skills

Why would I care to learn other "skills"? We're on a fucking art board. If you want to talk about programming or cooking go to the respective boards. We're here for art and art alone. But it's just you taking apart my post and trying to create a convo out of it to divert attention and make this thread hit bump limit for no reason.

What you don't realize is that I'm deliberately not responding to your questions because that is exactly what you are doing.

>>2664239
>If you want to talk about programming or cooking go to the respective boards.
You're the one who brought them up in the first place, retard.

>>2663352
I think thats really gonna help a beginner like me, thanks bud

>>2664241

Those were given as examples and, like the rep you are, loves to take apart others words and lead them on a carrot.

>>2664243
Suck my dick.

>>2664246
kys my dude

>>2663851
idk why but this is hilarious to me

>>2664239
>But it's just you taking apart my post and trying to create a convo out of it to divert attention

You mean like the "more hours than you" shit you pulled?

>Why would I care to learn other "skills"?

To be a functional human being? That said, I don't give a shit if you're a useless NEET whose only skill is art, the point is that you tried to argue somebody else couldn't be both a programmer (or a cook) as well as an artist. I'm merely criticizing a false statement you made to try and suit your flawed argument, which is valid, if you didn't want people to pick apart your retarded criticism of him you shouldn't have made a retarded criticism. I'm glad that by being a child about it you probably realize how stupid you were saying it, but you don't want to admit it, so I understand.

>What you don't realize is that I'm deliberately not responding to your questions because that is exactly what you are doing.

Adorable. You sure showed me.

>>2664267
forgot pic im a retard

>>2664268
>you tried to argue somebody else couldn't be both a programmer (or a cook) as well as an artist
No I fucking didn't.
>The first few months should be spent developing the love for drawing, cementing the drawing habit, and nurturing creativity
was first then
>That's like saying if you love piano just beat the scales and let whatever sound comes out of instrument be your joy.
2nd
No where does it say ANYTHING about learning multiple skills. It's just your Tulpa feeding you mentally ill thoughts.
>Adorable. You sure showed me.
Bet your ass I did. I drew today, and you didn't.

Check-Mate.

>>2663643
>>2661557

Taking whole days off isn't really recommended. Consistency is key, even if it's just going down to the coffee shop on Sunday for a few hours. That being said, 16+ hours is alright if your'e working and you're already at some level.

If you need outside stimulant like LAS and hour counting you've already not made it. A new artist should enjoy what they are doing with a good amount of reading and feedback. If you have fun and do what you like while applying what you've learned, you'll lose track of time and get spooked when you notice the sun's coming up the next morning.

>>2661558
Do whatever you like. It can be anime, ponies, generic knights. Then once you've done that for a while, see how well you can apply that knowledge to things you don't really care for. You'll end up enjoying it almost just as much.

>>2664282
>If you need outside stimulant like LAS and hour counting you've already not made it.
Writing down your goals and logging your time in excel each day builds disciple and good habits. Keep your shit opinions to yourself.

>>2661708
Here's my Picasso man, first time really drawing since I quit sometime before high school. Figured I'd pick it up again.

>>2664233

Still here. Was justing for the fighting to stop.

>>2664298

Mad jelly.

>>2664304
Whatcha up to now TOSM

>>2664304
>Jelly

Ayy, thanks dude

>>2664274
>No I fucking didn't

If you're this anon >>2664172 you specifically said "I don't do X BECAUSE I'm an artist." and also suggested that because he's a programmer he doesn't draw. If you're not that idiot, I have no idea why you're weighing in.

>I drew today, and you didn't.

You were just saying about Tulpas feeding you thoughts. I could be Glenn Vilppu for all you know, but you don't know, because literally the only data you have is "I drew for 2 hours and I'm arguing with an anonymous person on the internet whose drawing habits I know nothing about." Do you want me to tell you how many hours I drew? If I say a number higher than yours, you'll say "PSH YEAH RIGHT" because, like I said, you don't fucking know.

But believe whatever you like, that doesn't change that stupid shit keeps spewing out of your mouth.

I'm going to Walmart, what do I need to buy lads? All I have right now is paper and one pencil with a non functional eraser.

>>2664315
Pilot pens are nice. A ruler. Maybe a sketchbook?

>>2664315

Is the paper blank? If it's lined, pick up blank paper. And get some cheap ballpoint pens.

If you don't have one, a ruler will come in handy. Knowing how to draw straights freehand is great but if precision is needed or you're practicing perspective, no rules just tools.

>>2664306

Whatever you want me to be man. All these contradictory posts have bugged me the hell out so I'm a little lost. However the anon that told me to choose whichever method proposed ITT that feels most right to me was exactly on the money. So I guess at the moment I should try drawabox for one more day and peep at the later lessons, you know to see if its the beginners path i want? If not then tomorrow I'll move onto Keys To Drawing or better yet that 'Accuracy' series or whatever anon said that teaches the same things but with no fluff. And if not that I'll move onto the next proposed person/class. Its all about trying things and eliminating whatevers trash. Imma peep at the future lessons plans before i see a friend this hour, tonight I'll get right back drawing.

>>2664320
>>2664320
Alright, it's just lined notebook paper.

>>2664315
buy me some milk and cereal please, I'm so hungry

>>2664313
Yes I'm that person. And I know you're rep. Case closed. I don't need to go further because this is how you play song and dance with people.

>>2664324
How 'bout chinese?

>>2664321
Well, at the very least, I hope you don't give up. I would enjoy continuing to see your journey even after this thread.

Anon going to walmart, should I get more pencils, what kind?

>>2664321
>All these contradictory posts have bugged me the hell out so I'm a little lost.

There's a mix of 'there's no single right answer' and /ic/ just never agreeing on anything.

Generally I suggest you take advice here with a grain of salt, but if they're pointing you to a resource (like a book, website or video) at least check it out and see if it does anything for you, and if they say you're shit at something specific at least consider it.

>>2664337

Thanks anon but believe me the last thing on my mind is quitting. Like I said before I made this thread I was a bad day away from checking out. At least now I see i can earn a purpose, just going to take practice is all. I'll be back tonight ready to get back to drawabox again no worries. However if this thread 404s i made a board called One Punch Artist Gym, /opag/ for short, at 8ch so feel free to post there if you want but I only made the board there in case these threads stop being allowed. I might just make a second thread here though since 8ch is still worst *ch.

>>2664343

Pretty much what imma do. Dont worry all these suggestions haven't fallen on deaf ears. All will be utilized most likely.

>>2663808
show your art pls. If its not atleast 20x better than mine than you're full of shit. Here is a doodle I just finished. cmon man, surely you have art work that is 20x better than a 20 minute doodle.

>>2664354
>>2664354

Not the other guy but a daily routine is obviously going to be better than "every now and then". Drawing daily doesn't necessarily mean going "all in", you could be doing an hour a day and it'd probably be more productive than if you did 7 hours one day a week.

>>2661651
>Draw with jazza
anon no, im gonna tell you why, right now you are probably beginning and jazza looks like an amazing artist, and it is,(and im gonna save your the trouble here), but you first need to learn objective drawing, what is this, is to learn actual human anatomy, after you learn how to do real stuff you should go to creating you own type of style, your own "cartoon" style. Believe me i'm suffering this now, i want to draw real bodies but the only thing i can do its monsters

Basicly what i'm saying is, learn how bodies work that you can deform than at your will, a good youtuber for this is Proko, and keep it up anon

>>2664352

these were me
>>2664354
>>2663464
>>2663348
>>2663352

and this is a drawing i finished today.
my advice is to take it in moderation. draw when you feel like it, take a break when you feel like it. doodle when you feel like it. draw what you want.

I started drawing for fun. I didn't go to art school, nor do I read art books. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just proud of what I've accomplished. I've never done this draw 100 boxes or 100 circles shit. You should draw what you want to draw, the manual dexterity will naturally develop over time.

Please don't take advice from keyboard warriors who don't show their art and couldn't draw a circle to cure cancer.

btw I started drawing from /i/ so you can understand how bad i was when i first started.

>>2664373
>Proko

Sweet imma check him/her out right this second. As you can tell my anatomy isnt quite patreon worthy yet.

>>2664384

Oh shid hey dude! Nice to see you again. Thanks for the chillaxed girl on the furniture request you did for me. You are something else. Also i apologize for my comic team being dicks to ya, we could have been a little more professional.

>>2664354
>>2664384

Showing work when flinging shit would ruin my name and anyone with a brain knows that. You don't have to worry about that because you are a hobbyist scum from another board.

>>2664395
And by the way those drawings really are bad. Saying anything more would waste precious braincells so I'll stop here.

Ok guys I'm calling it Op is a fake he's actually good at drawing and is faking his bad drawings to have absolutely amazing progress and stir up publicity and make a name for himself. Today is 2016-09-04 screenshot this or save the thread I will be right.

>>2664409
Ok The One Sketch Man and Op is two seperate people the one im talking about is The One Sketch Man.

>>2664395
>>2664397
I have a feeling i can draw better than you doing it like this. reading your comments gave me a good laugh.

>>2664414
Look dude, whatever helps you rest your head at night.

>>2664409

>making a name for yourself
>on /ic/
>a board with less than 150 active user base

that would be beyond the threshold of retardation

>>2664384
>I didn't go to art school, nor do I read art books.
Yeah, can see that. You fucking suck. Opinion disregarded, OP don't listen to this guy.

>>2664418

>>2664424

>>2664426
>>2664429
Fuck even nosebro is better than you.

>>2664409
>>2664413

Nah I'm the OP alright, but I'm definately not lying when i say i can't draw a goodlooking box to save a million people with bombs strapped to them. I really do hope to progress.

>>2664424
>>2664426

Cant we all just agree to disagree? Both of you mean well but i dont think this thread is for pros to duke it out, its kind of for us newbies to git gud.

>>2664437
well im still beginner, but yeah, messing with some dude that has pillows for hands is pointless. lets just be motivated http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=OnepunchMan&chapter=20.6&index=1&page=3

>>2664449

Oh come on now I just lets agree to disagree. No insults people the gym is for gains not strains.

I'm glad this abortion of a thread is finally over.

>>2664474

If you guys honestly feel i should just post at the 8ch board then i have no problem. Last thing i want to do is shit up /ic/ with unwanted threads. Sorry if i offended anyone.

>>2664480
That's a nice excuse for you giving up. We all know you aren't going to post to hotwheels and just give up because you now just realized how hard this is going to be. I don't blame you admitting defeat in less than 48 hours.

>>2664489

Fuck that mess I'm no quitter. Give me some exercises to draw ill fucking do it m8.

>>2664480
Just make a new thread, /ic/ won't kill itself.

>>2664492
do this
>>2664494
and just take my advice ONLY read the sticky and don't fall for the lies

I know anons here can sound very convincing, but don't fall for it.

>>2664510
The sticky was written by anons here and is just as trustworthy. The sticky should post its work.

>>2664518
>The sticky should post its work.
kek

>>2664518

The sticky is the embodiment of when /ic/ isn't meeming and is actually trying to be helpful. Otherwise the board would be plagued with tablet--oh wait it already is. I wonder why? Because people don't read it.

And on second thought why don't you just post to LAS? You really don't need this special snowflake thread.

>>2664522
>You don't really need this special snowflake thread


When the LAS thread is a competitive thread for experienced d/ic/ks i think i do. Not just me but any newbie on here that wants to improve in no timem All i need is the routine, which i think ill have found before the month is over and ill stick to it. Just going to be trying some out. Going to see a friend so ill be back to do finish daily workout tonight. Hopefully i can get back to fucking cubes soon.

>>2664480

Most of what made the thread shit was the bickering - but you don't need to make your own threads, you know, just use the beginner thread. Just don't fill it with every box you draw, try and be selective.

>>2664533
>When the LAS thread is a competitive thread for experienced d/ic/ks i think i do. Not just me but any newbie on here that wants to improve in no time

hmmmmmmm good idea I think you're onto something.

We should have a thread specifically for new artists, we could call it the "beginner thread" and new artists could post their work there.

what do you guys think? pretty smart, right?

>>2664544
No, this stupid namefag needs his own thread.

>>2664544

Never explored the Beginners Thread other than the alternate sticky, so you'll have to tell me if they give routines and motivate eachother. If so then you're right I'll let this thread die. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone. Hopefully they dont laugh at my shit boxes over there.

>>2664545

To tell ya the truth i think namefagging is disgusting, speaking as a oldfag when anonymity was still respected (granted there were still attentionwhores back then too) I only namefagged so i could keep in touch with the comic group i promised i'd return in a year to do the art for their amazing comic idea/script but none of them seemed to show, least they didnt bother to namefag which is understandable. Once again im sorry for messing up the board. I'll head to Beginners Thread in a bit, no namefagging either.

Thanks guys.

>>2664554
The beginners thread is terrible. Do not recommend. Keep up your own thread.

God damn this thread turned to shit towards the end.

This thread got a little overly hostile while I was away.

To address anon, I now recall the Borenstein quote about rulers and guides but I don't think it's relevant. The point of doing the manual dexterity exercises recommended by Peter Han, Scott Robertson, or Borenstein himself isn't so that you can reproduce the perfect mechanical accuracy of a ruler or ellipse guide. What manual dexterity exercises are is concentrated mileage, a means of vastly improving your ability to draw organic shapes, lines and forms that are too abundant, too intricate and too time-consuming to plot out bit-by-bit with some kind of accessory.

With regards to Feng; I don't know what the context of that quote is, but if he really says to spend six months drawing what one thinks "looks cool" to begin I simply disagree. How one is supposed to enjoy or "get inspired" drawing a bunch of hairy-lined, misshapen, asymmetrical space marines or whatever is beyond me. Being faced with hundreds of failures to reproduce a straight line isn't any more of a psychological punishment than having failed at creating a completed image of a busty dark elf as you seem to be implying.

I am for all intents and purposes a beginner myself, a slacker whose done little other than memorize a few proportional rules and anatomical landmarks (certainly not hands)-and nothing more. However, because of a little hard work early on in the form of the Dynamic Sketching® exercises I feel like I'm in a great position to draw more, draw faster and draw more accurately than I otherwise would be, and I'm confident it will increase the rate at which I'm able to improve as consequence.

>if I ever get off my ass

If you disagree it's all good, but I think you're missing out by disregarding it as a beginner's exercise as that's what it's best suited for. It makes every single thing you do the moment you've completed it more intuitive, so the sooner the better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hI0qMtdfng

>>2664800

You've won me over, anon. Im ready to follow your instruction.

Will you help me be the artist i want to be in a year? What I'm saying is, will you be my OPA Gym trainer? I'm all for learning the fundamentals now, so just tell me where to start.

Keep at it with Drawabox right?

>>2664800
not op but where did you learn that kind of construction? When it comes to anatomy, the only rule i know for drawing the body is the 8 head rule. I just sorta wing the rest.

>>2663696
>Those hairy ass lines

>>2662945
>Visual library

I fucking hate feng zhu for making this term fucking hip all you fgts be using it now and his vis lib aint even that good

>>2663118
What the fuck is this? Fundamentals? This is bullshit? Its just a waste of time ive never done this in my life ever and i can do this a lot neater and precise with my eyes closed not even kidding

>>2663887
You fucking degenerate piece of shit, you cant drawand you never will and heres why. You dont want to. If you did you wouldnt be pratting about and posting so much you should have filled a pad in the time its taken you to post all this faggotry shit. Give up. Ive never done this shit in my life and just tried it filled two pages perfectly with only one fuck up. Ive made and ive never done it, but you carry on, have your, playtime. Personally you disgust me.

>>2666055

Say what you want but becoming an artist is all i want in my life right now. If you want proof of this then tomorrow i'll spend the entire day drawing whatever exercises you have for me. Just been hanging out with family today is all so I'm sorry if I've been absent. I'll you after class anon. If this thread 404s lets meet in the Beginners Thread. I'm ready to learn.

>>2663981
Just start with necking yourself

>>2666067

You know what? Fuck you guys Imma show you i dont give a fucking shit what you assholes think. I'm going to be the best god damn artist I can be and theres nothing you can do about it. When i wake up and head to the /opag/ board i created at 8ch I'll be showing proof of all the exercises i learned from Dorien Iten, Scott Robertson, and Drawabox and by god i am not going to fucking quit. From this day in a year exactly I'll have become to comic artist I've recently dreamed of becoming. I'll show you all. This will be my last post on this chan. See you at the other one.

>>2666062
Nah its cool you said it yourself. "Its all you want in your life right now", until something else comes along. Fucking hipster faget. Heres something take to pencils put them in your nostrils and slam your head down as hard as you can on your table.

>>2666074
Ok bye good luck drawing broken boxes you fucking puece of shit. You have no self control if you wanted to draw today you would have told your damily to neck themselves, but you already slipping, the fear and doubt is creeping in. You cant even grasp the basics and youre questioning what to do, youve already failed and its downhill from now

Make a new thread op, this one's way past the bump limit