/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

/ic/ isn't really a good place to ask since the only proof of someone from FZD is their work, but since you ask anyways, I'll reiterate to you what I've read about FZD.

Feng isn't "savage", he's just honest and speaks his mind without pause. You might interpret that as something else, but he's said this before in his videos and other students have said so too. He's just efficient, you could say.

Feng knows every student learns differently and has said he struggles to help them since they're struggling so hard. He's been teaching for a good sum of years now though, so he's gained experience with it, he's reliable.

A student has said that the amount of work you get is the amount of work you want to put in. If you want to put in 16 hours into your work, you get 16 hours of improvement, if you want to put 10 hours, then you get 10 hours. He said some are harder on themselves while others are lax. It really depends on what you want and whether you're able to adapt to the assignment.

Feng says that it is sort of unhealthy, but it's only a year, so the sacrifice is worth it. Other students seem to think so as well.

The school is open for 12 hours a day, if I recall correctly. It opens from like 10 in the morning to 10 at night. Classes are over at 6, but students generally stay at the campus. Not that, you can't leave.

It is worth it, the website answers this question, but students and Feng himself does as well, and it basically boils down to the experience you'll face and what you get out of it. He also has the stats on the school website about students. It's something like 85% get work after school. Also, he only takes so many students a term, he said the best class ratio he has found is 1:35, so not even that many people working are from FZD specifically. As you see, the world is huge.

Anyways, I tell you these things because I plan on going at some point in time. The applications only go up to certain terms, so 2018 isn't there yet.

>>2655731
>>2655745
Can I ask what makes you want to attend? I personally feel that the only things you get at FZD that you can't learn at home on your computer is a regimen (applied by someone else..) and a better environment i.e. being around other people with the same mindset as you.

>>2655763
Yea sure, one of the main reasons is the fundamentals. I've been reading perspective tings like Scott Robertson and practising for over a year now everyday, so my perspective game is on point. But I feel like he knows other sorts of things like induustry secrets that he will only show at his school.
For e.g. when he builds a ship in perspective or a side of a building showing the layout inside, things like that I think he doesnt divulge in his videos, those are the demos I want to see not character shit, and I honestly believe thats what you learn at the school more than anything. To visually communicate at a very high level.

He always talks about the fundamentals too, but it cant be as simple as the basic fundamentals that everyone always talks about.

>>2655745
>Feng isn't "savage", he's just honest and speaks his mind without pause. You might interpret that as something else, but he's said this before in his videos and other students have said so too. He's just efficient, you could say.

Yea but what does this mean, does he break your character? I'm a happy go lucky type pof personality and always optimistic no matte rthe situation so would he try and break me and make me jaded by the end of it. Nothing can generally break me and im open to criticism and take it very well, specially if I can understand where they are coming from and can see how it is helping me, but people have said he treats people like shit so what is the truth?

Undermining somebody and making them not feel worthy is my worst worry.

How much does his school cost?

>>2655777
Depends if you're a native or international student. It adds up to about 50k~ for an international student.

>>2655763
I have the money to attend so the opportunity is open. FZD presents itself as a great experience since it refines your fundamentals, but really the appealing part is the design part of FZD. You get to constantly create new designs and get criticism from your peers and professionals. Since they're directly a part of the industry, it feels more reliable and easier to believe them than someone off the streets or another artist on the web. It's also a trade school first and foremost, and that lets you focus solely on improving your craft instead of trying to juggle work/school/etc. and improvement in your free time. Overall, the price and experience seem to build themselves off eachother and prove themselves better than any other school that would be about double that price and more.

>>2655771
>He always talks about the fundamentals too, but it cant be as simple as the basic fundamentals that everyone always talks about.
I honestly think you're gonna be disappointed if that's your mindset with it. I don't know too much about FZD oso someone correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt that there are any "industry secrets" that will make you git gud. Feng even says on his site that you don't need his school if you're sufficiently motivated. It's just grinding fundies and then experimenting with what you've learned. Not to say that FZD wouldn't help you at all, I'm sure the critiques you get and the structured learning regimen would be super helpful, just don't go in thinking they're gonna reveal some crazy secrets to you, it'll probably boil down to the same fundamentals that people here on /ic/ drone on about.

>>2655776
That's not really something that can be answered until you're faced with him yourself. You can judge that on your own. I think you're also thinking too much about it and created a fearful image of Feng. There's not just Feng anyways, as there's two other teachers there as well. Regardless, you'll have to face criticism and be ready to have you art turned down. Feng does say the school tries to be a bit rough so that the students are more prepared and less affected when they get to the industry since they'll be constantly demanding things. Although, there were some students who though industries are worse since you know, a school is for learning and a school won't completely destroy as you're a student and understand you're still learning. Feng even says that some students get way better after finishing a year, since as long as they keep up their habits, things will click and they'll improve, so don't worry if you're not good in the time you're in FZD.

>>2655779
£30k

>>2655791
Yea thats what I was thinking I would easily grind the hours for my craft it's not a problem, even sat and sundays, im not really an out going partying debauchery type of person so i would fully comit to the cause.

I dont mind a bit of toughness and some pushing to challenge me but its the over the top stuff and people have been saying some scrupulous stuff which I kind of doubt

>>2655805
Right, didn't realize I forgot the SGD part to mine.

>>2655731
I knew a girl who said that Fung offered a grade for the course if she'd preform oral sex on him.

>>2655838
Obviously bullshit since grades mean nothing compared to your actual work.

>>2655841
No it's true. FZD is accredited. They give grades.

>>2655843
I know they give grades dipshit but it doesn't mean anything if you have shit work.

>>2655846
not if Fung gives a grade for such an awesome bj,

>>2655861
Nobody in the real world is going to hire you with shit work.

>>2655864
What does that have to do with giving a bj for A's?

>>2655869
It means it doesn't matter since they would only be cheating themselfes out of 50k

>>2655871
So you admit Fung was wrong for coercing a girl into oral sex in order to get an A for her sub-par work?

>>2655731
https://youtu.be/bhk97e2gaRo?t=6m10s

why does feng lie so much?

100+ hours of design cinema,
constantly photobashing in each episode

>>2655811
What year do you plan on going? Curious what kind of concept artist you'll become.

>>2655904
>why does feng lie so much?

Because he is a scam artist.

He even sold student work to Riot games. https://drawcrowd.com/fzdriot

>>2655919
This doesnt prove anything you fucking retard he wouldnt do that

Do you know how much he has to lose by doing that? Stip believing haters

>>2655788

Yeah you're pretty much paying for the schedule and all the mental constructs to keep you on that schedule.

You can do all that shit for free or you can pay someone to do it for you in a year.

However, I imagine the student expo at the end of the year is something very cool.

>>2655987

Why are defending a scammer you don't even know?

http://2p.com/4740414_1/Well-designed-League-of-Legends-Champions-by-FZD-School-of-Design-Students-by-Barbie.htm

http://www.gameguyz.com/news/gossips/look-at-these-awesome-league-of-legends-characters-designed-by-students.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1z36xs/riot_games_pays_feng_zhu_design_school_to_set/

>>2655878

I can smell the sophistry on you.

>>2656005
>tfw can potentially be hired right after graduation
I wonder what kind of paper/material they use for the student expo though. It seems FZD prints their art regularly, so I'm curious as to what it is. Feng himself has talked about this and how placing their art on the wall to see it all at once is important too.

>>2656010
I can smell chinamen cum on you.

So did you pass the class with your shitty art or what?

>>2655776
>making them not feel worthy
The Chinese always do that. It's in their culture.

If you can't handle it, maybe you should look for a school in the states.

>>2655838
I'd give Feng a BJ for free, desu.

>>2655805
30'000 to get told I'm shit at drawing by a snotty asian dude?

>>2655731
Hey m8, I'm an FZD alumni. Couldn't draw shit before the school and now I have a job doing concept art. FZD is a great place to learn and grow if you are ready to be serious.

He doesn't treat his staff or students poorly at all. He is a little strange and you could say he is a little cold, but he is there to teach, not to be your buddy and make you feel good. As long as you are trying, the instructors will be nice to you. They will give harsh crits, but will only call out people who are slacking or trying to pass off bullshit work. I had very weak work for the majority of the program and they were very good about their feedback and hitting me hard on crits without breaking me.

You really do put in a shit ton of hours. 16 hours is what most people shoot for. I usually got around 4-5 hours of sleep a night. Some kids would do 2 hours a night and do strange 15 minute sleep patterns throughout the day. It really wasn't healthy and i would actually suggest to get at least 6 hours a night to be fully productive the next day. You will have many crunch days that may cause you to not sleep for a day or two. The competition between your classmates really pushes you to put in more hours so it doesnt feel as terrible once you get there. Plus, theres not really much else to do than school so why not spend all your time doing homework.

I would say it is very worth it. It was hell for me and my work looked terrible for the first 2 terms, but eventually it kind of clicked and I wasnt so bad by the end. It took me several months to land a job afterwards. It's not as easy as they say on their website unless you enter the program with a strong skillset already. A lot of people in my year still don't have work but a lot of them were lazy and didnt want to listen to feedback given by the instructors. It definitely isn't an 85% job placement rate or w/e they are saying it is. But if you go through it and take the shit seriously, you can land a job.

just to let you people know , feng isnt even teaching there atm , for a couple weeks now our classes are some kind of skype call ... come to sg to have online classes with feng cause he is to busy .... niceeee

>>2655838
Grades didn't mean shit in FZD. Pass or fail was what mattered. Grades were there to show your progress. Wouldn't matter for shit if you get an A or a D as long as you didnt fail.

>>2655919
They had Riot games come to the school to check out the students and school. Thought it would be a fun lesson to have the students pretend to make champions for riot and hear their feedback. None of the concepts were sold or used by Riot games. It was a great experience for the students and is the type of shit you would want your school to do if you were serious about getting into the concept art industry.

Where the fuck do you faggots get this shit? I hope this is just one big /ic/ meme or some shit cause you have to be fucking retarded to think there is corruption going on in this school.

inb4 ben mauro or any of that bullshit too. There are plenty of reasons that explain everything you guys hear. Most of those reasons are salty students that didnt take the program seriously and have nothing but empty pockets to show. Ben mauro was all a big misunderstanding handled poorly by both sides. Plus it didnt help that mauro started dating a student.

>>2655779
Realistically save 70k
Ive been saving for 2 years.
I want into his school for easy connections.

Ignore the shitposters, but truthfully you shoud try and learn as much as you can before heading there.

>>2655731
Every question you asked can be answered by either Feng in his videos or the official website.

>Does he really treat his stafff so savagely as well as students?
No, he does not. He respects his students greatly, it's seen in vids where he critiques their work and he even mentioned it a few times himself.
If by treating savagely you mean forcing them to study, then yes. That's his job and the reason why FZD is as good as it is.

>Is it really 16 hour shifts at his school?
Nope, it's 18 h/day on average. They're Asian, their freetime and worktime kind of merge together.
Unhealthy? A lil' bit, but human body can achieve a lot if it gives up boundaries set by your laziness.

>Monday to Friday
>10am to 6pm (class in session)
>6pm to 10pm (after hours)

>Is it worth it/do they get a job?
85% of graduates work in entertainment design industry. It might not seem like a lot, but the global average on art schools is less than 20%.

Read nigga, read.
>http://fzdschool.com/entertainment-design/for-students

Personally, I'd say go for it, give them a year and you'll come out as a pro. If you don't have enough money, Feng has a podcast titled learning on your own and a bunch of vid tutorials/critiques on yt.

>>2656249
>it's seen in vids

Is there any science to validate the benefit of sleep depriving yourself to get more hours of practice? I get that it will improve your work ethic and mental toughness much in the same way military training forces you to, but I personally think your skills would be benefit from shaving off two-three hours of practice a day for a full 8 hours of sleep and possible even some light physical excercise.

>>2656257
Sleep deprivation is *never* a good thing, particularly in the long term. You need sleep just like you need oxygen, food, and water. You can go a long time without a full night's sleep, but you can also go for weeks on a starvation diet - still not a good idea. The negative effects of sleep deprivation have been shown again and again and again, and across all studies and meta-studies and experiments the same result keeps showing up: lack of sleep is simply bad with zero positive effects.

In addition to the dozens of other symptoms (including irritability, reduced immunity, soreness - to downright hallucinations) it also impairs your cognitive abilities (ability to focus, short and long term memory, overall IQ degradation, etc.). The only reason the army uses it is because soldiers aren't there to think in the first place, sometimes the situation simply calls for it (protracted combat situation), and (mostly) because "that's how we've always been doing it, hurr durr you pussy suck it up"-stupidity.

So yes, those two-three hours are much, much better spent on getting a good night's sleep than practice.

>>2656230
30k not even taught by the faggot

>>2656226
Not OP, but thanks anon

>>2656230
kek
What a fucking scam.

>>2656230
That explains why there's no design cinema in the past 2 months. Can't wait to see what film he's been working so hard for.

>>2655731

>>2656566
Hey, how did you find that? I can't even access the thread anymore, but that guy was a shitposter if you read the whole thread.

>>2656566
>anonymous123
>beta
100% legit

>>2656566
>butthurt not-gonna-make-it upset that an art school of all places doesn't guarantee him a job or business sense.

>>2656625

>>2656628

>>2656566
>>2656625
>>2656628
>>2656629
is this real?

>>2656652
>posted on /ic/
>real
Do you really think so, anon?

>>2656655
I-I don't even know anymore...

>>2656660
It doesn't matter anyways. A majority of people don't even go to FZD, so the only real way to judge Feng is to work with him. But even then, you should just keep the judgement to yourself, because talking trash about someone doesn't say much good about you.

Hey I would like to advise against going there, From talking to a lot of people during Industry Workshops and THU for the past 3 years I have a really bad opinion about FZD. Also the Ben Mauro stuff is true, I asked him about it personally. School is really unnecessary now but if you like that kind of structure I would really recommend something like CDA or Red Engine. You will have a much better time and spend a lot less money

>>2656711
give us more gossip anon

>>2655731

OP I would just do online courses to be honest. cgmasteracademy, schoolism, drawabox and ctrlpaint are enough. To last you a good two years.

To attend that school you are pretty much paying two years worth of wages unless you are rich.

Also, Singapore is hot, you would be paying scam amounts of money for food and all they teach is something you could learn from Scott Robertson and Peter Han.

The school is seriously expensive aswell. A year in it is cost about three times what it would cost to study at Florence Academy of Art.

>>2656720
From having conversations with people who graduated apparently students who show promise are treated much better and less experienced/ talented (in loose def of the word) are often disrespected/ bullied often forced by proxy to quit school so they don't spoil the record and statistics which is ultra shitty thing to do. Students are coming out with very similar style of design and rendering (that is apparently not because it's forced upon but there is just such a high pressure that there's no time to explore). This is also bad because art directors want people who can bring something new to the table and stand out from the crowd.

>>2655731

FZD IS SHIT DONT JOIN IT WHAT A WASTE OF FUCKING TIME

>>2656803
>1/3 of this thread in a nutshell

>>2656739
yeah, if you're in America, especially in Southern California, you can learn at the concept design academy, brainstorm or red engine, which are all run by industry veterans, and much cheaper than going to the art center while learning the same things, plus their schedules are much more flexible and no need to go to a country that will arrest you for farting near a politican

>>2656807
>talks trash about Singapore
>tells people to go to LA

Lmfao the chinks have invaded, most likely feng himself. Time to sage and bail nigga' this whole thread is a fucking setup.

>>2655731

Lets look at Alex Jessup, the guy who apparently went form zero to industry standard

It may or may not be obvious that all of his stuff on deviantart are photobashed paintings, obviously what FZD taught him http://alexjjessup.deviantart.com/

But I would like to see him pick up a charcoal pencil and do a long figure study; chances are, it probably wouldn't come out very good, I don't see a many human figures in his gallery that was not made from a photo of a real soldier

This is probably the closest I found http://alexjjessup.deviantart.com/art/Scanvengers-364914883?q=gallery%3AAlexJJessup%2F32062331&qo=28

And its just "meh" I guess its not bad for somebody whose been drawing for only a year

>>2656815
>not bad
>has a job in the industry
>knows all his fundamentals
>have a killer portfolio
>not bad
Okay, anon.

>>2656809
Concept design academy is in Pasadena,
Brainstorm is in Burbank
Watts is near San Diego
LAAFA is Van Nuys

Also, I'd rather be in the shithole that is Los Angeles, rather then Singapore, cause you know, thats where much of the industry is located at

>>2656809
also, its about saving teh money

>>2656257
>>2656271

More opinions on this please.

>>2656843
http://alexjjessup.deviantart.com/
>In the end, FZD just tries to get you to crank as many hours of work out as possible. There's a thing called the "10,000 hour rule" and FZD just tries to make you get as close to it as possible. If you need 6 hours of sleep each night, you'll notice people slowly but surely pulling ahead. Those people are probably sleeping 3 hours or less a night. Everyone there wants to be a concept artist - you just have to want it more. The school is made for people who think like this.

>>2656844

you're actually retarded, like you are the most retarded person i've come into contact with. Like the levels of retardation one such as yourself has achieved is beyond even considering to comprehend. That is how much of a retard you are. Unfathomable uneducated illiterate retard.

>>2656844

Well the 10.000 hour rule has been debunked over and over, so I don't really buy into that way of thinking. Mindful, deliberate practice => mindless grinding.

>>2655731
Wow you must be pussy to over think art school that much.

Never change /ic/
Never change

>>2656625
Written like a true 12 year old. I know Feng personally and he wouldnt do this he's a great guy.

Sound like some drop out written shit. Nothing to see here move on.

>>2656628
This is not true, Eduardo isnt even that great, just delete these before they get out and give the school a bad name please.

>>2656986
>I know Feng personally
That's funny, I know him too, and I can guarantee you the guy is a con-artist. How do I know? Because I use to work for that little thieving shit

>>2656820
Anything in London? Or UK?

>>2656848
Not really if you can bang out a perspective drawing in less than 30 seconds that 10k hours has done a lot. When it becomes useless is when people are not applying to their wown stuff and building upon it

>>2656856
Very helpful, thanks for your intriguing response and thoughful response.

>>2656992

>muh con artist
>muh teacher never gave me a grade A he must be a thief

you cant draw and never will be able to so go fux yourself

Feng steals tuition money. it's obvious if anyone would just look at how the school is ran. It's for-profit. It's another Art Institute but in Singapore.

To any anon that is thinking about going, GO! I say good riddens. You deserve it. I hope you loose a lot of money.

>>2657098
Why is there so few student videos or anything or even videos of the school, do they have to sign a non disclosure?

You know the more I think about it the more I reckon he probably tells them there's a NDA clause for going and not to show or talk about the school in a bad deminour or they literally blacklist them from the industry, I reckon that why students dont even talk about this school.

>>2656820
Isnt brainstorm somehow affiliated with FZD? It's run by chinks aswell.

>>2657100
There's no videos and im not saying ANYTHING.

>>2657102
YEa come to think of it I watched this the other day and it pretty much sounds exactly like what the fuck Feng spews out, im started to get jaded and not know what the fuck direction to take.

>>2657106
forgot vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkVLbgTpVO4

>>2657071
none that I know of, unforunately, much like Northern California, I heard that London has become a sort of cesspool for the "MUH FEELINGS" type contemporary art and its not helped by the fact that

I say suscribe to Watts Atelier's online program or cgma, or save up a bit of money and go to an atelier(one that teaches construction) on the mainland

>>2657113
Cool thanks for heads up, I can confirm though after just doinga foundation in Fine Art it's pretty much charged with social politics and as you said feelings, I managed to get top grades by blagging most of my work and combining them with "muh feelings", while everyone else struggled was pretty hilarious