/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Quick sketch from life. Any advices

eh why did u use my image I am now even more embarassed
shouldnt have posted this crap

>>2644891
nah bruv. u are forever immortalized in the beg threads

now when you finally make it in around a year or two you can look back and remember fondly

>>2644891
Anon, no one is really malevolent here, at worst they want to have fun at expense of making fun of their lesser past self via making fun of you.

Just try to get better, if you actually want to become human copy machine all you need to do is train measuring hard, a topic that was discussed at length last thread and copy-paste values/color via eyedropper from the photo, that way you don't even need to study values, just form and blending...but is that really what you want to be anon?

>>2644897
I was just being cynical because I'm a stupid retard
But I don't even start with adding any values until I actually get the sketch right what would be the point

>>2644863
What those two lines on top and under her eyes are supposed to mean?

>>2644900
nothing forget about this image, I immediately deleted it

>>2644868

The biggest problem of these threads are, the fact that this is 4chan and IC knows jackshit about art.

Do yourself a favor and go to a couple workshops in your area. This place is filled with fuckwits who don't understand shit.

>>2644917
who cares about """art"""" I just want to learn to paint the videogame sexy artwork in paint tool sai

>>2644917
That's not true.
The benefit of workshops and classes are that you are forced to practice a lot properly, but /ic/ is honestly good for critique and tips, the kind of tips people will be too shy to tell you irl because they don't want to be mean.

>>2644917
t. crybaby who got his work shit on after he spent a week on it

How did you transition from Value-painting to full-colour?

>>2644939
You apply the knowledge of one to the other?

The point of value training is to understand how light transitions into dark under different conditions and vie versa. Once you have that knolwedge down you start practicing the same but with colors...that's it.

>>2644947
About 20 min

Still too much chicken scratching i think

>>2644948

>>2644951
This one roughly 10 min

>>2644952
And last one, 10 min too

>>2644954
Try to do drawings with just straight lines, like this very rough block person thing, it helped me improve my line a lot.

Slowly refine said block person and you will learn how to keep the line consistent and straight when needed slowly.

May i please have some advice regarding proportions and the placement of facial features? its rather late now, but i would like to resume studies in the morning.

>>2644943
Yea it just feels like to much at once, is it a good idea to paint over valuesketches for some time?

ehgggfhhhhhhhhhh

>>2644951
vaginas r gross

Would very much appreciate some criticism, been slowly learning in my spare time from various sources.

does this look cool?

>>2645115
No

>>2645120
give me praise.

>>2645115
if good, you mean bad, then yes!

>>2644971
Technically in digital painting its often times a technique used regularly
But if you want to study, sure, paint over, observe how color behaves and try to copy

>>2645120
It looks cool.

now it looks cool

>>2645104
Pretty quality mate
Only suggestion is to try and study materials a bit more
Not sure how the source looks though

Also maybe it's time to study gesture more to make your bug pics dynamic

I dunno, post more and state goals

is this good for 10 minutes?

>>2645136

Textures and gestures sounds about right for what I should focus on next, thanks. Ref was pic related but flipped, I definitely didn't capture any of the texture on the back.

I think if I had used a pen brush instead of pencil brush I wouldn't have gotten carried away with the sketchyness, its just now clicked how I could have rendered the shell better.

>>2645167
yes, its pretty good for ten minutes. keep going fampai, you got it!

>>2645167
The two main things you'll want to improve for ten minute sketches like this is efficiency, and anatomical knowledge. Even though your figure has relatively few lines (and thus elements), each line is still chickenscratched more than necessary. With experience, you'll be able to define a major body curves in 3-5 strong lines, rather than a dozen tiny overlapped lines that blend in. This gets easier to do with practice, and with knowledge of what anatomy actually fits in your figure. For example, having a complex understanding of the elements of the neck, torso, pelvis and butt/leg would allow you to make that long, flowy curve at the back much more dynamic, and have it describe complex anatomical structures rather than a simpler outline of the body.

In general, though, don't forget to keep working on 3d construction. Your right thigh is too long and doesn't seem to be connected to the pelvis, which I'm assuming is happening because you didn't picture the form of the whole leg, but only the bit you could see.

>>2645192
Forgot to add, but having more extensive anatomical knowledge will give you more "meat" to add onto your subject, so you won't stall having to rework the same curves in your 10 minute sketches because you're not sure what else to add. This'll help you practice line efficiency too.

Don't forget you need good bases in construction and 3d visualization to do this.

opinions?

>>2644870

Practicing imaginary sketch from ctrlpaint. Any thoughts on what I could do better. Here is what I've made. Any advice would help.

I'm gathering supplies as suggeseted by a kind Anon, I currently use a crappy HB pencil I found around... before that I used a lifetime borrowed IKEA pencil.

I'd aim for a standard kit with various hardnesses (from 4H to 12B), would you recommend some charcoal pencils as well while I'm at it?

I'll never be good.

>>2645234
Yup, with that attitude you certainly won't.

>>2645249
I knew it

Are these figure drawings better than my old ones?

OLD ONES
>>2642593

I've been going through a Vilppu video on gesture, and I took the time to act the poses and study them in each one of these.

It took a long time, but I'm starting to see how you can do these in 30 seconds with practice.

>>2645267
Also the before and after Vilppu writings on these is before and after I compared my gesture to Vilppu's.

>>2645104

Get out of this thread

>>2645273
It's not from imagination though, so he's cool.

>>2645192
what "elements"?

>>2645267
I'm a little bit scared that I'm putting so much line down that when I'm seeing Vilppu put down the same lines I might be re-affirming an incorrect thought and misleading myself.

Here are the reference photos.

I noticed a bunch of things were way out of allignment with the reference image so I've gone back a few steps and made some changes. Lost a lot of detail but it's looking better

>>2645328
In terms of detail it's all bit murky, the most detailed part of the painting right now are the pupils. I'm hoping to refine things a bit more with the eyelids, lips, eyebrows and ears. Clothes are a bit shit too

>>2645328
Oh hey Anon, I'm the Anon from the cross eyed thing yesterday.

Looks very good, glad to see the mouth reshaped.

If you want, can you provide me with ref and updated drawing with higher resolution and same size?
I'm curious about retrying the 3D trick now, and it might help you out as well.

>>2645335
Yeah sure it's lacking in a bit of polish right now (more so than before) but I think it's a bit closer to the ref image.

>>2645341
Yup it's definitely matching the ref more, the lack of polishing is making it difficult to focus.

The main shapes are much better than before, there's just slight flashing around the cheek to our right, it's not matching perfectly.
I think I also see flashing on the bottom lip, but honestly I find it really hard to focus because it's 5am here and I'm extremely tired.

I can focus perfectly on the eyes and pupils though, very good! Less so around them, but it's because polish.

I'll go to sleep now, tomorrow maybe I will be able to point out some more flashing contours and shapes, I'm just too tired to do it properly right now, I'll just collapse in bed in a few minutes.

Keep it up, I really like it and want to see how it goes!

Goodnight Anon :)

>>2644868
Im doing this

Is okay? :$

beginner question but

how the fuck do you paint? I'm in an art class and we need to paint with acrylics.

I can't seem to get the hang of it. I'm way too used to using markers and photoshop.

Is there anything I can read or watch that'll show me the fundamentals of painting with a brush?

>>2645363
The eyes are balls covered by the eyelids, you drew them as outlines.

If that's a widow's peak it starts only slightly under the hairline, probably at 1/3rd of how far you actually drew it.

You're spending way too much time detailing individual muscles when you should be putting more work in learning gesture, simpler muscle groups, and making quicker sketches that have good flow before you start putting on the detail.

how does one shade things in?

>>2645430
Is there any particular reason why you posted a digital picture sideways?

>>2645404
there is lots, maybe you should check out the sticky, but since are in the beginner thread, ill help you out!

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tips+for+painting+with+acrylics+

>>2645432
kek

>>2645436

>tfw you will never heal up this way

>>2642865
How'd I do?

If I do draw a box and refuse to take the man's advice about doing it in felt tip, will he take it out on me when he marks my homework?

I just don't feel like the benefits he spoke about actually apply to me. Also when you use felt tip you can see it from the other side of the paper and that's NO GOOD

>>2645539
>I just don't feel like the benefits he spoke about actually apply to me

Why?

>>2645539
Yes, because you probably don't have the self control to not erase, and it's far too easy to adjust line weight with a pencil. It also puts you in a sketching mindset.

Using a pen means every line is permanent, so as you keep practising you'll slowly see the improvements from your first exercises to the next.

Please use a fineliner, as the only person you'll be disappointing is yourself.

>>2645539
He won't even grade you if you're going to do it wrong.

So I was told I was a horrible artist and was told to come here.
Any advice on how to better myself? I think my shading is absolute crap atm and everything is too flat

>>2645563
symbol drawing

don't try to pass it off as stylized, you're not at that level yet

if i were you, i'd read the sticky and start on a couple books to get a feeling of what it means to think and draw in 3d (and start having a general idea of anatomy)

you'll get there eventually. you have ideas, just not the execution

>>2645569
I've already dl'd the books on anatomy and been studying them, guess this my shitty result.

But basically the face is fucked up and unrealistic and the rest of the clothing is flat and needs more of a sense of geometry. But I don't think I was trying to pass it off as anything I usually try shading all my work. But I guess I'll stop that.

Pretty sad that I've been drawing all my life as well. But thanks for the advice

>>2645539
How autistic are you?

>>2645558
Fine. gosh anon

>>2644660
Bump

Any word on the hair, at least? It looks especially horrible. Please help.

>>2645585
Don't worry, I know exactly where you're coming from. I much prefer using a pencil but using a pen really does help.

>>2645563
>>2645576

There's a difference between drawing all your life, and learning to draw all your life.

The main issue I see is you've not done any basic construction - you've got no underlying forms to build up from.

Study construction for a while, and don't focus on shading/values just yet.

And when cross hatching, try to keep it neat and uniform, while following the form of what you're shading - otherwise it can end up looking flat.

What should i be doing in the morning to improve my gains for the day?

>>2645657
Drawing

>>2645232
Bump, looking for advice.

Oh my god, it gets worse and worse. obvs the eyes/nose/general face are fucked anyone have any tips? I know all the basics + loomis etc. Assuming i just need to grind? thanks

Not finished yet, opinions?

>>2645668
Just draw man.
You're not going to use the whole range anyways.

>>2645697
It's all flat and greyish though, can't really have many values with a single pencil.

>>2645668
charcoal pencils aren't really that necessary, unless you really want to explore that medium. make sure you get a good quality eraser, both regular and kneaded one. also you might want to buy some sand paper if you sharpen your pencils with a knife - helps sharpen the lead into a perfectly sharp end, better than a regular sharpener, at least for me!

>>2645685
> I know all the basics + loomis etc
clearly you don't know the basics. you have to measure what you are doing and check the directions when "building" the head. you have done none of that here and that's why there is no construction.

>>2645685
>I know all the basics + loomis etc
Nah, you don't.

>>2645702
how to measure

What is the best Loomis book?

>>2645745
for what

Fuck, this is hard

>>2645726
not that guy but this might help

>>2645232
Conte pencils and Wolff carbons are my favorite for charcoal. Make sure if you DO use charcoal to have a surface that actually takes it well like smooth newsprint.

>>2644948
Just needs some fine tuning with some minor positioning/proportions/angles of body parts in relation to each other. Bretty nice though man, good work.

>>2645764
thanks, this is really helpful, I was doing it all wrong and too quickly

>>2644970
The rule I go with roughly is:
Eyes sit almost halfway down the face, nose ends almost halfway between eyes and chin and lips are approx halfway between nose and chin.
Just keep looking at/drawing real faces and truly studying them in relation to each other.

>>2645790
you're welcome! it isn't all about grinding, you have to change the way you think to get better. "drawing is a mental discipline, not a physical skill"

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE why the fuck does everyone just lightly smudge on charcoal and it softens for days, but I have to press hard as fuck and it barely smudges 1mm if that?

Is it the paper? The charcoal quality? I'm using Printer paper and no matter what charcoal I use, 6B pencil, hard pencil, big stick, small stick, it all smudges about the same, which is basically nothing.

Also whenever I do a stroke with a stick only one or two sharp lines come out, yet I pressed it a lot on a piece of paper and it looked flat - do I have to grind the stick for a long time? Is paper good enough?

>>2645234
same

>>2645777
nice trip

How do i stop fucking up my proportions?

ref

>>2645852
With extreme angles, think of the head as a box in perspective. If you divide your face into thirds and give it a vanishing point (as in this picture), you can gauge approximately how much chin, nose and forehead you should be seeing as well as figure out where to place landmark features.

Crit please?

Out of the three of them, which one is the most anatomically correct?

>>2645891
Neither

>>2645404
Check Draw Mix Paint on YouTube, it's not a tutorial for acrylics, but helps a lot with things like how to mix colors and what to start with.

>>2645612

>>2645921

>>2645893
Thanks for your constructive criticism.

>>2645928
lol'd
ty

>>2644868
where can I learn to digitally paint online?
I can't find any good resources for a complete beginner like me

>>2645692
Throw it in the trash and start over just this time make sure to put the whole damn dog in the picture

>>2645685
>I know all the basics + loomis etc
The basics of sucking dick maybe

started drawing like 40 days ago and have made a lot of progress. main problems i have-
>chicken scratch
>cant into orientation
>cant into anatomy
>cant draw from imagination whatsoever
>40% drawing 60% erasing
>lined paper and mechanical pencils
heres some quick sketches of people at my AA meeting, just started attempting entire people. i have more work from the other day ill post next

>>2646002
heres my hand a bunch of times. sorry im using a shitty phone camera, thats all i got

>>2646002
Ghost your lines before you trace them.
Read Figure Drawing for all its worth.
Don't worry about drawing from imagination just yet.
Don't use the eraser for sketching man, it's a time sink, just draw lightly if you're not confident about your lines and ignore the ones that are clearly wrong.
Most importantly: have fun

man all these how2 youtube channels of realistically rendering animals and whatever make me feel like shit. like it's supposed to be so easy to copy a photo but i'm too dumb to draw a straight line

>>2646039
thanx mane. is figure drawing for all its worth the first loomis i should read or does any other come first?

also how do i confidently make a longer line that isnt chicken scratch and also doesnt look like shit?

>>2646039
also what do you mean exactly by ghosting? like drawing lightly or actually not making a mark at all?]

thanks for the help by the way, you good people

>>2645928
i think i struggle with lips

>>2646045
>too dumb to draw a straight line
use a ruler fool

>>2646052
>>2646058
You're welcome. The most elemental Loomis is fun with a pencil.
Ghosting means to go through the motion as if you were drawing without actually touching the paper, once you get the motion down you actually throw one line, remember to use your entire arm and not just you wrist. With a little practice you should be making good lines,

>>2645702
Thanks for the information I am just starting so I will opt for a standard set like that one in the picture.
About those kneaded erasers, what are they used for? I've never seen nor used one.

The last time I sharpened a pencil was with a rotary sander madre from an old hard drive, rofl.

>>2646060
Make the upper lip lighter and it will look much better, I think.

what is wrong with my brain why can't I get anything right

>>2646089
Doesn't work for all but getting the complete outside contour down first helps me place features.

>>2646100
I wish I could get that at least
I also started with a contour but I'm retarded and it's always off, this image was erased at least 5 times and redone I gave up and deleted this shit

>>2646105
Try using an easier referenc bruv

>>2646108
like, not a face?

>>2645957
ctrl-paint

>>2646105
it's always going to be off

if you spend forever trying to get something perfect the first time you are going to waste time

let yourself make mistakes. You need mileage, not perfection.

When you complete a study, review, compare, and try again.

>>2646115
yeah but what is the point if I see that it's all wrong yet at the same time don't know how to improve it?
How do I improve it there must be some tricks to properly judge angles and positioning

>>2646087
Yeah, I think you're right. the eyebrows could be a lot lighter too

>>2646117
your brain will figure it out if you keep practicing and learning from credible sources!

>>2646110
like not a tilted face

>>2645840
Heh

>>2645756
Nice, but make sure the boxes get smaller as you go out of the center

>>2646060
I love how you render

>>2646117
That's always the problem, knowing something is wrong but not knowing how to fix it.

Basically, your judgement of proportion and shapes is not up to par. But you don't just read a book and instantly know how to see better.

Seeing better comes from looking at the same problem over and over and gradually building up your knowledge and abilities.

The only answer is constant, painstaking studying day in and day out.

Now I will say that perhaps you can make it easier on yourself by taking a step back and studying basic shapes and forms.

For example, as a beginner you'd have an easier (but still difficult) time learning to draw cubes in perspective compared to say... a complex engine.

You could of course start out with the complex engine, but you will progress much more slowly than if you had broken it down into simple shapes and understood the pieces before you tried to understand the whole.

And the human face, the skull, and everything that makes it work, is pretty much a complex engine. It is debateably the hardest part of the human body to become competent at. For most, it takes years.

The good news is that, as long as you make mistakes and make a concentrated effort to figure out what those mistakes are, the more you can learn what not to do. And the more you learn what not to do, the closer you are to getting on the correct path. Part of it is knowledge, and part of it is technical skill. But you have to be able to see your own mistakes. You wont start seeing them as readily if you don't compare, and you wont be able to compare if you only do one drawing a day. The number of studies you can do in a day will increase over time.

In every field of every profession be them creative or not, every beginner starts out only being able to do a little at a time. So it's best to use that little you have available to you in the most efficient manner.

>>2646139
thanks man

>>2646089
because you're a fucking idiot

>>2646089
You are a fucking idiot. No, really. You are a complete fucking retard dumb mentally challenged cunt. How the fuck you've even managed to not die of stupidity to this day is honestly documentary worthy. You are so fucking dumb. Read the sticky, you stupid cock sucking huffy.

>>2646089
You need to stop chicken scratching, I can see it all over the picture.

>>2646089
You're not dumb. You should read the sticky though.

Here are some of the resources the sticky recommends:

Andrew Loomis's Books
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!WBERCQiB!uMTQlTgeSCK_4FxKDwE_Lg

Burne Hogarth's Books
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!fINAQbZK!YtfCRPbKIIZjT84meSl3DQ

"The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards
>https://mega.co.nz/#!6ZsTESZD!cBHFG4pgOWGurLr8SgC79v3Eu-gOjmaH9JAC_XeYQEA

"Keys to Drawing" by Bert Dodson
>https://mega.co.nz/#!LZsVXTjJ!t5W4mBq9v2iBbJWxvHM04rrMtA4wV7d3ZqX4daJowL4

"Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters" by Robert Beverly Hale
>https://mega.co.nz/#!CAVSjLZa!d-xFoYCx1TrzqOLbL0LVN9ZmzRrFxtaz6JDCvBSN5hY

"How to Draw" by Scott Robertson (HIGH quality scan)
>https://mega.co.nz/#!iB81WbxK!eNSWCFuDinDeSXib_e0s6ZpfPIAMEGEPpz8otwRiIoQ

"Alla Prima: Everything I know about Painting" by Richard Schmid
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/l5eatwcpn8w7la8/%28Richard+Schmid%29+Alla+Prima+-+Everything+I+Know+About+Painting.pdf

"Color and Light - A Guide for the Realist Painter" by James Gurney (HIGH quality scan)
>http://www.mediafire.com/view/uecuhtr5vdd9kx6/%28James_Gurney%29_Color_%26_Light_-_A_Guide_for_the_Realist_Painter.pdf

"Imaginative Realism: How to paint what does not exist" by James Gurney
>https://mega.nz/#!ywsSCQzB!HC07i7ntFEYQUAOy9GBYWxTrF2fzbo67Jf4jVuj57DE

"Perspective Made Easy" by Ernest R. Norling
>https://mega.co.nz/#!yEVH0RzI!hExkmbL9WTEV20aI10De7q9J4rf3t3A6uluz4cT9FbM

"The Animator's Survival Kit" by Richard Williams
>https://mega.co.nz/#!bFchmCAZ!papybufoEqDH8Vn19hVk8zxohaYOB5XjLM2U-EZT8Js

"Anatomy for Sculptors" by Uldis Zarins
>https://mega.co.nz/#!GIdSSZib!rI1rTzWtIiUq0Qn4ECJHU-fOhB011wFTH8Egqdguk5M

>>2646233
>implying he will ever read one of these

>>2646233
which one of these covers the being able to judge distance and angle subject
I don't wanna start with colors or shades
>>2646212
>>2646222
>>2646227
yes I am not very intelligent but I wanna be a great artist

>>2646089
People dedicate their lives to portrait drawing and the human figure. Don't start with something so complex, move your way up.

>>2646233
Ignore this shit too much info blasted at you all at once. Just pick Keys To Drawing and go through that first.

>>2646236
I will as long as there isn't too much text and many pictures

>>2646244
This nigga has to be 12 or something

>>2646247
this "NIGGER" has to not understand sarcasm irony and when someone is pretending to be retarded

>>2646243
thanks, downloaded it already

>>2646252
>i was only pretending to be retarded XD!!!

lmao

>>2646240
>>2646244
>>2646252
I'm starting to think that you actually might be unironically retarded.

>>2646252
>pretending to be retarded
every
time

>>2646252
>I was merely pretending to be borderline mentally challenged lads
Truly the dankest meme

>>2646233
Why are you babying someone who doesn't read the sticky?

If he doesn't have the initiative to do something as simple and important as that, I guarantee you he's not making it.

>>2646256
>>2646256
>>2646258
>>2646259

I'm ironic supersonic
see you on deviantart hall of fame suckers
I actually no longer wanna kill myselfie, I hope those (((books))) are the real deal

>>2646263
epic

Will I make it?

>>2646118
Much better.
The eyebrows are OK I think, but their shape is not the same.

>>2645891
I still need help.

>>2645341
OK I retried, most shapes are perfect I'd say, the ear needs a bit of reshaping on the inside and on the lobe though.

I can't notice anything else particularly off, lack of polish and different texture makes it difficult to focus cross-eyeing.

Looking forward to see more from you, keep it up!

>>2645328
Further refinement on this motherfucker. Spent most of today playing Overwatch and painting. Still quite a lot to do but atleast the lips make more sense now.

Old version on right.

>>2646457
Oh shit didn't see your post sorry.

Yeah thanks for the advice earlier. I ended up placing two windows on top of each other and flipping between them quickly to see anything odd. I didn't see too much off and generally I found the weird movie artifact near the lips quite annoying (top left corner of upper lip in the ref) so I decided to cease doing that technique. My general technique is to check 2-3 times before each major brush stroke that it's correctly alligned to the other elements on the canvas. Right now I'm painting with one monitor showing the ref and my main monitor doing all the photoshop

>last week able to shit out some decent stuff
>this week I can't draw for shit

Why does this happen?

>>2646551
have you been drawing every day?

>>2646558
Yeah of course. My regime hasn't really changed any over the past week. I don't feel depressed (at least I think).

>>2645891
The same issues are present in all 3 of them

Think about where and in what direction the bicep is placed, the muscles in the forearm should be placed relative to the bicep and the rotation of the hand

Also the entire butt region is fucked, i cant tell where to torso ended, or where the legs begin, women in particular have larger hips and therefore have a larger gap in the crotch area.

One more thing, when practicing, dont stylize anything. manga/ anime is terrible for learning, because all of the instructional videos and books are anatomically wrong. Anime limbs are meant to be longer, and all of the characters are abnormally thin. If you are trying to learn anatomy my favorite book is called "an atlas of anatomy for artists"

>>2646060
The lower lip curves underneath and into the upper lip. In some cases the lower lip pops out at the ends slightly

>>2646551
It's called muscle memory. They take a long time to build the correct synapses, so your art will be inconsistent in the mean time until your muscles gain strong enough of a control. This is what it means to git gud and can only be gained by drawing a lot. Consistency comes from discipline. So don't sweat it so much, every beginner goes through it and therefore everyone has bad weeks. As long as you power through it and don't give up, your muscles should continue to grow and stabilize.

>>2646629
It's hard to put this into words, so I'll keep it short.

I see my problems, but I don't know how to fix them. No matter what I try, keeping your tips in mind, something always looks off. Comparing it to the reference doesn't help either, because it looks fucked up too.

What does the reference have that I don't?

>>2646702
Values, proportions, gesture off the top of my head.

>>2646683
>>2646558
Just mess my shit up senpai ;_;

>>2646713
>tfw it's cuteanatomyanon
Y-you really motivated me to see the light. Your rendering is amazing and made me realize just how fun it could be to do anatomy since it's practically drawing nudes. Although I can't do it right so it comes out looking ugly, but I'll keep trying!

Keep at it senpai, I know you can do it!

>>2646713
When did you start drawing weebshit?

My drawings are starting to suffer from 'same-face-syndrome', how can i stop this?

>>2646791
Try studying a bunch of different types of individual facial features without attaching them to a face - i.e. pointy noses, flat noses, wide noses etc. Then when you're drawing whole faces again use these different features. Think about varying the whole structure of the face as well. Like extending the length of the jaw for example.

>>2646796
thanks dude

>>2644871
im not finished yet but holy fuck what an awful reference to choose for a beginner. I was so confused on how i was supposed to get blue skintones for her because when you're taking a photograph near blue shit it makes skin look blue when it's actually just grey. it's hard enough that she's pale as shit.

anyway i drew her as a spy. i really hate using sai's brushes. the settings confuse the shit out of me. like what does 'opacity mix' even mean.

>>2646805
neat

>>2646805
I'm not really sure what I'm looking at to be honest.

>>2646713
Pray to god to make you good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOCOAUFWXX4

>>2646855
>Pray to god to make you good.
Pretty sure that doesn't work.

>>2646713
It feels like you've totally skipped gesture drawing.

>>2646860
It doesn't work if you don't believe.

>>2646861
To be fair, I couldn't get the hang of gesture until I got anatomy down.

>>2646861
Op here. I think the main thing is it is hard for me to stick to doing something every day. For example, these "Gestures" were from the last week of July. I said I was going to do at least 30 mins of gestures a day. I did two days before I stopped for no real reason. Over the past few years I have noticed I've become incredibly inconsistent in many things. One day I feel like I have the spark and the next it is like I am in a black hole.

>>2646872
>I think the main thing is it is hard for me to stick to doing something every day
It is for a lot of people. It's called making habits.

Anyways, the thing is that you haven't quit, so you can still start and continue that routine. As long as you haven't stopped drawing forever, you haven't quit. People need a break every now and then and that's okay.

>>2646872
Gestures take a lot of thought though.
30 minutes a day doesn't seem like it would even scratch the intricacies of gestures. I doubt it'd be proficient enough to give any sort of mastery over such an important thing.

I don't think you should allow inconsistency to get to you in the first place. I used to be like you, but I designated a time (6:30) and I've been drawing 1 hour of gesture/boring study every day.

I've been getting progressively better.

You should always do an hour a day. If you don't feel like it, do 20 minutes and quit. The important thing is you started, and you'll follow through the next day.

>>2646872
I'm no pro, but I am a beginner who does bad gestures just like you.

I think you should read this Micheal Hampton figure drawing book if you haven't already and focus on the figure drawing section:

https://mangodrawingsatuni.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-and-invention.pdf

Then go download this Vilppu torrent and watch it with the knowledge of the Michael Hampton book. Pay special attention the river/water pressure scene and consecutive drawing where Vilppu goes from a flat drawing to a figure drawing.

I advise you to draw both of those things.

That's what I did, and I had a major break through in drawing gesture. I hope to save you the time I wasted.

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3566691/VILPPU.STUDIO.DRAWING.MANUAL.CHAPTER.01.GESTURE

>>2646889
I've always hated reading books. I got about 30 pages into Drawing with the Right Side of the Brain before I just stopped and made it to the hand drawing in Keys to Drawing before I stopped. I'll attempt these later today.

>>2646877
Yeah I don't plan on quitting but it is just annoying that I still can't even draw a basic 3/4 view anime correctly 100% of the time. Pic related is something I drew back earlier this month I I can't even replicate it. I've told myself to read the Loomis book for 3 months now.

>>2646879
I guess I can try doing gestures for an hour but around the 30 minute mark is when I start to burn out. But I guess I could just take a break inbetween.

Digital babby's first traditional drawing

Is there a place where one can pirate ctrl+ paint videos?
I feel bad for doing this but I need to improve my skills asap because I might be able to earn loads of dosh soon with something coming up and world buy the videos then

>>2646895
>first

Lying shit

>>2646903
yes

>>2646906
Not him but it's believable depending on his definition of first
If sketches and studies and such don't count and if he was already pretty good just concentrating on digital, why would it not be believable

>>2646909
So youre saying that if his definition of "first" means "not first" then it's accurate?

How high are you right now

>>2646911
>>2646909
>>2646906
First traditional, first charcoal, ~8 months of digital deliveries for drawthreads

Unless you count literal straight strokes on a piece of paper to get used to some pressure with a stick as the first drawing, then sure, it's the second.

I started on digital with a tablet, from scratch, pretty idiotic move in hindsight but I got into drawing because of the technology in the first place, then I started to appreciate the craft after.

Now that my blog is written and the accusations were thrown, let's hopefully get some critiques

Here's the ref so Timmy here realizes I'm not worth throwing a fit over.

I think I'll focus on traditional to hopefully fix the shit measuring, that should help me since it's more limiting, I think, unless that only works in DBZ.

>>2645521
Some shapes are off, but the most important part is rendering the eyes and giving her eyebrows back.

>>2646926
Still a lying fag sorry :(
Not jealous either

>>2646895
>>2646926
>>2646969
but his painting is absolutely terrible, he got everything wrong, it looks fancy when you don't see the reference

>>2646895
looks like shit. if you're going to do a photostudy get either the values or proportions right

>>2646969
You are retarded if you think that it is improbably in any way
>>2646974
It does not look fancy at all, look at the fucking face, even without ref you know that the structure of the face is fucked.

>>2646951
no. the most important part is accurate construction.

>>2646702
I think your main issue is that you're paying too much attention to the contour of the figure. You're putting down lines (like those in the middle of the thigh) without really knowing *why* they're there. That's why it's a good idea to learn construction, so that you can use the figure as a reference, rather than just blindly trying to copy what's there.

I wanted to try sketching the figure myself, so I made some notes for you that you should take with a lotta salt, but hopefully it'll point you in the right direction. Keep it up anon!

>>2645213
Not bad her face needs work and her right shoulder is to be lower.

Beginner here, tried to make a gesture based on a youtube video with an explanation. I want some genuine feedback please. Left is the video right is what i made. I put an arrow at the left arm because i think i fucked up a bit there.

>>2647066
Look at the angle and placement of her legs in relation to the hips and compare it to the video, theyre quite different. Next time i suggest starting with a simple loose stick figure sketch first like theyve done in that example. It helps you figure out the pose before going into more detail.

>>2645767
Thanks, Anon!
I guess charcoal is a bit too much for a beginner, I'll stick with pencil, there's a lot of time ahead to explore once I have the basics set.

>>2646549
Looks really good, are you planning on leaving is in a "brushed" style or give the skin and clothes realistic textures?

It's just missing a bit of refining in the ear, slight lightening/shading adjustments and an angle is slighty off, it doesn't feel as "3D" as the rest of the face. The rest seems OK and looks overall perfect.

Keep it up and in a few more updates I'll be able to cross-eye ref and drawing without any flashing :)

>>2646989
not him, but this was very helpful!

>>2647078
I would recommend you don't wait until you are ready to pick up the medium you enjoy or feel would be best. Start knocking out those charcoal drawings and full color paintings as soon as possible.

>>2647103
Thanks, I see your point, test everything and pick what feels best. I do the same with tools when I work with metal, wood, electronics etc.
Else I get stuck with a certain tool and might be only grow able to use that.

What differences are there between a pencil and charcoal? I saw 12B pencils are pretty dark, and that's what's lacking in my drawings.

>>2645253
don't go hollow my friend

>>2645477
kek

>>2647098
Glad to hear it! I've personally found michael hampton's 'figure drawing - design and invention' to be useful as far as understanding how to simplify complex figures into simpler 3d shapes (pic related)

>>2644879

>>2647066
MEASURE
ANGLES
MEASURE ANGLES
ANGLES NEED TO BE MEASURED
ALSO
NEGATIVE SPACE

THIS IS MAKING SO MAD

>>2647226
*ME

God damn I'm fucking upset right now

>>2647226
how do you measure angles?

>>2646820
Funny because we just had like 5 threads discussing how chinks color skin blue

>>2647256
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring
Basically just draw correctly, my angles get fucked but i just keep trying to train my eyes.

>>2647110
Charcoal tends to be much messier than graphite. It makes it easier to blend but easier to fuck up too, and it takes much less effort to get darker darks in charcoal. I've heard a lot of people say charcoal is faster to work with but it really comes down to how an individual works. I personally prefer charcoal just because i like working with broader, messier strokes but for the most part if you can do something with one you can do it with the other. Try both and see what you like.

>>2647273
From the description sounds like it might actually fit what I seek and my not so precise and "blendy" method.
Thanks, now I'll definitely grab a few of those as well!

is there an /ic/ google hang out?

>>2647256
Use your pencil and hold it up towards what you're planning on drawing nigger

>>2647303
does it work when I'm using an image reference and working digitally?

>>2647308
>draw line
>hold up your pencil and compare your line to the one you were trying to get right
>repeat forever until you die

You even have the advantage of being able to ctrl+z a million times until you're satisfied with it

How do I draw a head looking up, how do I draw heads
I want to fucking kill myself

>>2646084
kneaded erasers are really good for erasing really small bits and clearing off big chunks as well, if you mess up on shading (granted if you didn't just ram the graphite into the paper while shading). it can also help you pick up the dust from the lead if needed! generally it's much more flexible than a regular eraser; you should be able to find one in any art supply shop, they come in small square chunks, usually grey or blue. just make sure you do not leave it open and on your work, it's known to react in really weird ways with paper sometimes.
hope this helps at all!

>>2647320
study heads from different angles. works best if you can get someone to sit for you, that way you can actually see what is going on with their head in Real Life 3D.

>>2647371
I've done hundreds of Loomis heads, proko style. They all seem to have near perfect measurements .structure etc. Can't add features, or a proper neck without it looking wonky. Feels bad man.

>>2647371
Yup, that definitely helps, thanks!
Sounds like a really useful piece of equipment, I ruined some drawing parts while erasing with a regular solid eraser and fucking up everything, paper included.
I came looking for a pencil, I'll leave with an endless supply of any kind of art tool I guess eheh.

Is there a torrent for ctrl+paint premium stuff somewhere?
If so could someone please post it? That shit sounds great but 55 bucks for a package seems a lot for me now.

I recently started drawing (like yesterday) and i'm reading the first loomis book, fun with pencil, and i really have some problems with it, he does those faces who have 10/10 details and proportions (even if cartoony) and tells me to draw them by not copiyng his but mines are utterly terrible, they look like people who managed to survive a nuclear holocaust.
Now, i want to learn to draw, i don't really want to become the next da vinci or anything, just draw something that makes sense and not clusterfuck of bad prortions and indistinguishable objects.
What am i supposed to do? keep drawing abominations? will they really get better if i practice more?
Pic related

>>2647418
Read the sticky/OP and keep drawing

>>2647423
rate mah autistic shadding pls

>>2647423
You should be using a harder brush to keep the edges clean, you don't want a soft mushy appearance.

There is also too much variation within each plane, basically each one should be one flat tone throughout. A value change means a plane change. So the bit of reflected light you put on the far right side looks almost like it has a beveled edge or something. Also the value of the shadow side is too dark.

I think you should first do some studies from photos or life of simple objects rather than trying to invent them because you are making many basic errors without realizing it.

>>2647418

The reason yours looks bad is:

- You don't have good control over your lines yet, eg. you can't properly draw circles, ovals and curves

- You're not following and visualizing the form of the ball. Look at the line connecting the eyes. In his examples it is curving around the ball, yours is straight horizontal

Don't worry, this is completely normal and expected if you just started drawing! You just need to train line control and drawing/visualizing simple 3d forms in perspective.

Try drawabox.com, it will be very hard at first but if you keep at it you will improve surprisingly fast

>>2647427
thanks, I will work more and on simple objects

>>2644893
this wasteman thinks he knows about drawing, remove you self famalam

>>2647433
>drawabox.com
i didn't know drawabox, thx

>>2645134
How do you do that effect?

>>2647201
Why did you only post a blank white photo?

>>2647445
Nobody tell him we don't need more CA using faggots

>>2647410
I searched the usual torent places but they all turn up nothing, free videos or one/two videos at best
I just want his photoshop rendering series if anyone has got that

first time trying to paint digitally, no clue what im doing

>>2647373

>>2647496
this is my work..

>>2647489
This is exactly why I am trying to get
>>2647460

A lot of /ic/ says that it's the easiest and one of the best video lectures of digital rendering and such, but his full lectures are premium and cost like 55$.

>>2647460
Isn't that one like $10?

>>2647502
A lesson is 10$, the package is 55$
I am a dirty slav who finally managed to get himself a wacom, I just want to learn

How do you guys find the motivation to draw?

>>2647313

>>2647525
Coffee.

>>2647525
I just switch off the Internet, put on some calm music, look at a ref on the screen and draw on paper.
It gets really relaxing and when you get that shade, line, shape right and it looks good...

>>2647525
I play games until I realized I'm wasting my life away then go draw in shame until I get frustrated with my shit art. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Just spent almost two hours watching figure and gesture drawing videos. This is what I got out of it. Rip me

>>2647584
Looking good, starting to see improvement in your gestures, they're flowing more.

>>2647525
Having clear goals.

>>2647525
I go all out with unregulated procrastination to the point where I literally get bored of having fun so the only alternative to not get bored out of my mind is to draw.

>>2647535
>>2647536
>>2647570
>>2647640
Thanks guys, I needed to hear that.

>>2647595
So should I write down what I want to get done in advance? Cause I've tried but all I see it procrastinate looking at my goals. Any way to really beat it into myself?

>>2644879
I'm new to /ic/ and I'm a not very experienced in the world of art. Any tips other than use copy paper? I know the hand is a little big. Also any tips for drawing hair?

>>2647656
sSSSSssssSSSssssticky

>>2647656
For one, read the sticky.
Two, read the OP.
Three, rotate your image.
Four. Go to the art book thread and pick up some.
Five. Search up tutorials.

>>2647643
>>2647595
I just think you have to really want it. Get into the right mindset. Just realize you won't ever get what you to done unless you start right now. Watch some motivational movies/speeches.

>/beg/ loves keys to drawing
>hates "chicken scratching"
>the book advises "restating" which looks practically identical to "chicken scratching"

so which is it, /beg/?

>>2647672
>trusting /beg/inners on their opinion
Sketching can look any way it wants, but they don't understand between that and their own incompetence.

>>2647656
Forgot to resize my bad.

Drawed these at work. Tell me what you think.

>>2647733
drewed*

>>2647672
>>the book advises "restating" which looks practically identical to "chicken scratching"
No. You are doing it wrong anon.

>>2647643
Fuck goals, fuck objectives. Every drawing I make is an improvement over the previous ones and that's enough.

I draw because it pleases me, if I set a goal it becomes a burden, not something to enjoy.

What is your destination though, becoming a professional or enjoying what you do?

>>2647733
Drawneded*

>>2647785
>What is your destination though, becoming a professional or enjoying what you do?
I just wanna enjoy what I do. But man it's hard, I'm so terrible and I never have the motivation to draw. But I like the way you put it. I gotta improve.

>>2646889

Not that anon, but I also had similar issues with gesture. Holy shit, Vilppu is really good at explaining this stuff! I feel like this is helping a lot already. Thanks!

I'm pretty sure all my previous gestures were worthless since I fell for the 30 seconds meme and ended up just scribbling most of the time. I will try to make sure I understand this time before speeding up

>>2646539
Other than the clothes I've finished that portrait now thank god. I'm currently polishing off this lemon slice I've been working on for a while, based off CGcookies's lemon reference.

>>2647785
>Every drawing I make is an improvement over the previous ones and that's enough.
>tfw can't make every drawing an improvement so this doesn't work
I'm not consistent enough, senpai.

I doodle when im high and sleepy. Help me

>>2647815
>doodle
>sleepy
What? How? I feel absolutely agitated when sleepy and could never draw.

>>2647820
Agreed. I've gotten in the habit of taking a nap before drawing. I've noticed a significant jump in skill since.

>>2647824

Insomnia you know

>>2647790
Change style, medium or method maybe, I've never enjoyed drawing until about a week ago, I just picked up a pencil and drew something.

I post my work here sometimes, when I can't see where to fix stuff and improve, everytime I learn some tricks.
I still have to go through construction and stuff, might help... but so far I enjoy it.

>>2647807
When I finish a drawing I usually post it here for crit so I know what to improve, and apply it to the next one.

I also look a lot at others' work and learn from them, for example shadows, lines, etc, so I know what to focus on on the next drawing I make.

Just relax and put on some music, and enjoy it, fuck paper up, who cares, as long as you like it!

>>2647802
Yeah OK nice ref you posted, now post your work- holy fuck.

>>2647802
Are we in the right thread? Because this must be at least your thousandth try at a lemon.

>>2647815
>4k x 3k

>>2647733
Drewn*

>>2647815
cringe

>>2647815
I like the girl near the eyeball. The style of yours feels super intense and makes me feel nervous though.

>>2646820
face is definitely over rendered

Relative beginner here.

Here's my first every study. Any comments on accuracy will help, the head is a little off, but what I want advice on is how to tackle texturing the image. I only have a selection of pencils and some charcoal. I understand I should be shooting to simplify the texture and have a focus point but don't know where to start.

The only paper I had was A5 so I had to scoot the little guy over to fit him in

>>2646820
You're right anon, her skin is grey!

>>2647878
Drawabox has a section on textures, read that. It's with pen, but it works with pencil too.

For accuracy, Keys to Drawing has a section that talks about proportions and how you can eye it with your pencil and that will help you place things correctly as well as fit it on A5 paper.

>>2647868
yeah, no, your style is shit.

>>2647918
>>2647918
>>2647918

NEW THREAD

>>2647918
>>2647918
>>2647918

>>2644879
I tried.

What can I do to stop being scared of drawing bodies? Whenever I draw something that is not a face, my brain hangs up and I fuck everything

>>2647643
You need to brute force it if you don't have the willpower or self control to Just Do It™

>>2647851
>Drewn*
You're just pretending to be retarded right

>>2647525
I don't.
I just do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zy9m70dXkw

>>2647955
Try some gesture drawing.
It's the first step in learning how to draw people.

>>2646889
Check out that post.

>>2647955
Actually, on second thought I see you can't observe correctly.

Your angles are wrong.
You're not looking the negative space.
Look at the angle of your nose, and the angle of the reference.

Your lips are symbols. There is a significant dip in the top lip that isn't even there in your drawing.

You need to check out keys to drawing or one of those books that teach you how to really look at a reference before you worry about drawing bodies.

You also need to think in 3D before you attempt to do gestures. So, if you haven't already, do draw-a-box.

>>2647955
When you're doing draw-a-box, it's not something you just blow through so keep that in mind. Do every exercise for at least an hour.

>>2647955
Be sure to measure angles.
That fucked up nose can easily be remedied by holding a pencil up to the screen and estimating the angle on the ref. Lock your arm, hold a pencil vertically to a point on that line, estimate the angle, and redraw that angle in your drawing.

>>2645685
Looks like you're working from outlines and not forms. Try harder

>>2646080
it looked okay until i enlarged it

>>2645217
I like it.

>>2645031
You did a good job with the face shading. It's mostly the mustache that looks weird.