/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

heres a proper reference

>>2600281

>>2600281
it's Pretty sloppy, but I'm glad I got to practice hands. Feel free to critique

The fuck? New thread already there was no major study

>>2600284
>>2600324

>>2600335
last thread hit 300

First page of new sketchbook. Rip apart my circles and shifty lines.

>>2600362
>(3.31 MB, 5312x2988)
Nobody's gonna rip that shit apart until you resize.

So for the second time I decided to take a break from the Stylus and Tablet and drew exclusively Traditional for two days. I am now back to digital and I feel my lines and over all skill level has improved. The pic related I drew was a lot easier than before and I feel like I understand stuff more. I know it isn't perfect but I feel I have improved since two days ago.

>>2600369
Good, keep at it anon.

Someone really needs to write an addon for Firefox so we can rotate and resize images on the fly. You fuckers never resize and rotate your work.

>>2600368
Yeah, i apologize for that, i havent the slightest idea why it came out like that. I tried resizing but my computer shit itself almost instantly. I guess i'll just have to go cry in a corner

Study from old thread

>>2600376
I'm sorry m8...

>>2600388
your computer crashes when using mspaint?

>>2600396
Apparently....

I'm having problems picking the right colors/shading in such a way that reflects a ominous and unsettling atmosphere.

At first I thought I was getting the hang of it, but then I realized my color choices were getting more and more boring as I went on.

The two characters are in a space setting and I feel like my coloring and color choices don't reflect that, does anyone have any suggestions?

>>2600447
You're not going to make the colour of skin unsettling unless you make it coal black with red eyes or some cartoon shit. You need to focus on shadows, specifically hard shadows; way darker than you're currently doing and make sure it's covering part or all of the face.

Although you couldn't make a Deathclaw look unsettling in that pose.

>>2600335
>>2600339
it feels like the beg threads hit 300 so quick now. i guess it's good cause it forces me to draw the refs given quickly in order to get a critique

>>2600469
No problem with posting them in the next thread. Or is it more of an honor thing.

>>2600280
Forgot to post last thread

>>2600470
i've tried that a couple times before but they didn't get any responses. could just be unrelated though

>>2600474
Well you didn't really even follow your own center line.

>mfw OP was lazy and just grabbed random images from quickposes

From the other thread. What do you guys think so far?

>>2600482
kek

ref, didn't really try to put in values this time

>>2600482
Ran through my collection of hi-res ones like 5 or 6 threads in. Forgive me.

>>2600496
At least finish the background. It looks like he's got a sad wig on. And the bottom row of teeth need to be a lighter. Not bad though.

>>2600220
Looks like you got your inspiration from Firewatch.

>>2600292
hair was difficult

>>2600511
I don't know if it's the angle at which you took this picture or the drawing that makes it look like her torso is really short.

Are these nipples facing the right way?

Are the tits even drawn correctly?

>>2600484
Reference. So what do you guys think?

Is there anybody that didn't start with Loomis or preferred someone else when starting out? I don't like his style but I understand the idea he's trying to get across in regards to shape (not practiced).

The smaller heads in the picture are using his construction; ignore the Amano study

Total beginner. Should I look at Keys to Drawing or start simpler?

>>2600484
You've added some shadows but no highlights. Look at the way the light shines on her nose, cheeks and lower lip. There's a lot more contrast between light and shadow than you've shown. H
Her right lower eye lid is too horizontal, keep it at the same angle as the left eye.

>>2600551
Do you want to get good at drawing shitty cartoons? No? Then get Fun with a Pencil and skip the first 35 pages and get on to accurate proportions of a human head.

>>2600285
any tips on /melanin/ skin?

>>2600529
The nipples are ok, but the breast shape isn't. You can look up some tutorials but drawing breasts correctly will come along as you improve your sense of weight and form. Make them round and heavy and don't forget that the ribcage they're sitting on is round as well.

>>2600338
It's wayyy too early for you to benefit from figure drawing. Work on your line quality exercises, learn to draw simple shapes in perspective, then move on to drawing human skeleton - with correct proportions. Revise the basics, don't build a house on sand.

>>2600362
Ah yes, you probably think that drawing a lot is enough. You have to put more thought into this, when practicing a circle, pay attention to using your whole arm, use constant pressure and don't go over the same line twice. The same goes for the line strokes, put more effort into every attempt, do it slowly, try different directions.

>>2600554
Thanks anon.

I hate potato heads.

>>2600551
Start off with Hampton then go to anatomy for sculptors. Keys is the most boring book and everything about "seeing" goes to shit when you start constructing forms as u draw from imagination.

>>2600338
I'm pretty bad :((
I feel like my lines are very anxious/ skittish

Any advice on how to make more confident lines? I feel like for the first 20min of all my drawings I make very small lines and basically integrate them into the shape I want. Is this right practice?

>>2600697
peter han

>>2600697
No, that's called feathering and it's a bad habit.
You have to think about each line and what you're doing with it, and try to make it in one smooth stroke.

Like >>2600700 said in not so many words, Peter Han has a bunch of YT videos with exercises you can do to practice your line control, but in my experience the more important thing than fine motor skills is that you focus, plan, and treat each line like it's important. When you're in doubt and you're not sure where to put your next line, lift your pencil off the paper and think instead of making random lines and seeing if one works.

Think, draw, think again.

PS, this isn't something anyone masters instantly just because someone's told them what to do, so don't be dissuaded if you have a hard time.

Hi, I was wondering if some of you would be willing to help out a beginner.

This is something I have been working on.
But it does not feel right and I don't know what it is.
Could you give some critique?

>>2600713
>>2600718
You should probably take this into account first

Reposting my post from the last thread as I didn't realize it reached bump limit.

I started drawing again after a long long hiatus, I'm drawing every day for around 2 to 3 hours, I'm drawing gestures, hands, feet, limbs, but with very little detail as I want to achieve recognizable drawing with as few lines as possible, then details. I also want to capture the "flow" of each scenario I'm drawing, instead of details themselves. Now I've realised I would probably fail horribly if I were to draw any detail on anything.
Is this acceptable way for imporvement? As time goes on I want to crank the practice time to about 6 hours a day, I'm not reading any drawing books at the moment though and trying to learn by myself, just remembering what I learned from Loomis, Vilppu etc. some time back.
Is this an acceptable way to learn? Thanks for any feedback.
No pic related as I've dropped digital drawing for now and drawing physically, so I learn to move my whole arm on a bigger canvas etc.

>>2600719
Thank you for this advice. I will work on that.
But I would really appreciate if you could also give some feedback about the posture.

>>2600723
Well, the head looks a bit large and the right arm a bit long

I'm looking at the the perspective section of the first loomis book and my head is exploding. Whats with the 90 lines connecting to the vanishing point? We worked with VP in engineering and it was nowhere near the level of this shit, I will never work this shit out in my head.

>>2600560
How am i looking now?

I should use ref but.... i'm just trying to do it with minimum lines as possible

>>2600799
Well, the shoulder, forearm, thighs.. They look pretty off to me. Like, the shoulder is too low, the forearm too short, and the thigh too thick.

>>2600833
Thank you for pointing it out.

Trying perspective and backgrounds for the first time proper

It's hard but I'm happy with my progress! I'm gonna invest in a book for perspective eventually

>>2600697
You'll have to grind your linework unfortunately. Feathering has its place in art, but it's not what you should be using all the time

>>2600851
>filesize
>resolution
Please read the OP of the thread before you post in it.

How do I make legs from behind not look like knees?

>>2600861
Sorry sempai! < 3 I've tried resizing

so I'm trying to do the form study in these videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UydvG6Kf8bg [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzgnZyPxx6Q [Embed]

but I'm just curious as to how she's lassoing shapes and able to paint only in those shapes despite deselecting them - how is she doing that?

>>2600839
No problem, i hope that i was of help.

>>2600799
This looks really great!

>>2600692
I like it. You're right about your lines, but luckily that's something you can develop in time as you gain confidence. Try getting a cotton earbud and smudging those shadows, effectively getting rid of some of that feathering in favour for some smooth shadows

>>2600758
Better. Do other exercises such as drawing square grids and try drawing larger - that's why using your shoulder is so important. Keep a small sketchbook wherever you go and practice frequently.

>>2600881
To answer your question, draw gastrocnemius muscle tucking under the hamstring muscles to show a natural depression under the knee.
...it's a bit too early for you to worry about anatomy and figure drawing, reading the sticky is not a meme, it's a necessity, friend.

>>2600718
To fix this one drawing, try constructing the pose using simple cylinders and blocks. Then go into details with a felt tip pen or a marker.
A more general long-term advice would be to study perspective and anatomy beforehand. Cheers.

>>2600285
His skin only seems smooth on his midtones, the highlights seem to be what gives his skin texture, but i'm not sure how to go about it.
What's a good method to incorporate highlights in curly hair?

>>2600557
The eye pocket shadows need more warmth to them, over all you made his face and lips darker than the original.
Watch out for his tear ducts, you over looked it. Use the pink you used on the lips to unify the eyes with the mouth.
Also, the ears and back skull need more construction. Piece needs to be cleaner.

>>2600447
When I first saw this I thought she had two sets of breasts.
Its still too early to pick up what you're trying to accomplish with this piece, but if you're aiming for ominous, stay in the shadows. Use a darker pallet.

Does this look good? Someone help me with anatomy and shadows.

When people say studying for 3 hours a day, what exactly do they mean? Opening up an anatomy book, doing some minor sketches, etc? Or is there something more to it?

>>2600965
I would also like to know the answer to this question.

I keep hearing people say that I should do life drawing but I don't have any models or classes I can go to. I've been spending about an hour a day just drawing my hands from a bunch of different angles, is this a good use of my time or am I wasting it? Am I getting anything out of this besides maybe drawing better hands from imagination?
>>2600965
>>2600967
I do a couple hours a day and I think most of it is just grinding. For example, I was studying anatomy from hampton yesterday so I copied his drawing of the back a bunch of times until I had a basic idea of where things went, then I tried to construct my own backs in various positions from imagination. I only spent an hour on this but you could easily spend more time doing this. idk if people do it differently but that's how I do it.

>>2600758
Go read through the first lesson of drawing a box. It'll tell you better ways to practice that.

>>2600881
by studying anatomy, which you really should get started on

>>2600758
theyre fucking circles

do 100 more pages and then come back

>>2600755
Don't start perspective with Loomis. Do Perspective Made Easy if you haven't.

sticking to hard terminators/hard transitions for now

is this right btw?
going to review perspective/drawing next

>>2600953
Is the camera supposed to be low here is it that just a short skirt? Her waist looks really long, can we see the rest of the picture?

>>2600939
Much appreciated, nice to meet someone who's more concerned with constructive advice rather than the "Not gonna make it" meme.

>>2600994
I'm unfamiliar with this head construction. If you were going for Loomis head, you should've sliced the side plane off the cranial ball.
The main problem is how flat the face is, either do the Loomis head properly or look up Reilly's abstraction (recommended - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmHOvmPJjE ). You can learn and combine both, but you can't learn this on your own.

>>2600994
study more the planes of the head
pick up whoever you like, loomis, vilppu, hampton etc

>>2601024
>>2601042
appreciate the feedback, thanks

>>2601059
I'm really digging this!

crit please?

tips with handling gouache?

How did I do senpai?

I mean, seeing right now, I see a lot of wrong angles, but I think I'm improving.

>>2601113
Not bad, but you clearly aren't familiar with how perspective affects basic forms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo
...Afterwards, use measuring techniques if you want your drawing to look as close to the ref as possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>2601091
t..thanks

>>2601131
Yes I haven't learned perspective yet!

I'm still at the shading part on Keys to Drawing, but after finishing Keys I'll work through Perspective Made Easy like the tutorial suggests.

Thanks for your time anon!

Checking in for any advice/bits of wisdom. I'm gonna keep working on these

>>2601131
Also this channels looks very interesting, I subscribed, thanks!

>>2601148
Why is it that everyone who uses the meme method have the same weird faces? It's like the guidelines are always set in stone 100% and straying even in the least would mean a mistake

>>2601152
The idea is you get familiar with this basic guideline and tailor the features accordingly to your model/reference/etc. It doesn't result in sameface.

>>2601113
Cool! I like how you gave the shadows a go, keep drawing friend!

>>2601152
>guidelines set in stone
You mean like how almost every human being has the exact same bones and muscles?

>>2601148
Lookin' good. Keep trying different angles while keeping the proportions correct, then take photos of elderly/babies/young/ugly people (homeless photo refs are great), that will improve your portraits drastically.

>>2601146
You're well on your way to git gud, keep it up and post occasionally, friend.

>>2601019
Likewise.

>>2601152
What ends up happening is that the people who follow the teachings don't know or understand how to bend or change the structure that's being taught, especially as they're attempting to learn.

They get the feeling that if it strays away from the shown method, it's wrong. So what ends up happening is you'll get the same face every drawing.

To get rid of this problem, the person should use whichever method they would like to learn from, then apply those structure shapes onto as many models or images as possible to get a better visual library or understanding of how the different parts of the face can change. This is something that would just be resolved over time.

First time drawing from construction form, should I keep practicing or give up? fuuck my motivation

>>2601173
here it is

>>2601152
>>2601171
I'm the face poster

Do all the faces I posted look the same to you? Certain ones in particular? I attempted to draw a variety of people from reference and also without reference. I think it is obvious that various heads in the image look different, but that might just be my bias as a beginner.

>>2601161
>>2601168
Thanks a lot anons <3

>>2600979
pls halp

>>2601183
With what exactly?

Drawing your hands is good. You could also use a mirror and draw yourself. A fair amount of community colleges in cities of a decent size offer figure drawing classes (at least in my experience).

If you can't get access to figure drawing classes with live models then your only other option is find models yourself, pose yourself or friends, or use photos and try to go from there.

>>2601181
Just a couple look different, but the rest look the same to me. It's most likely because you have the building structure lines in all the purple/red heads.

>>2601171
You just listed two possible methods. Frank Reilly is said to be "one of the best art teachers of all time", his abstraction methods actually help you get rid of the sameface habit.

>>2601173
Not bad, but start simple. You should be able to draw the head very confidently in perspective and with correct planar shading before laying in the detailed features. (pic related)

>>2601183
Arrange things laying around your room into a still life. A good photo ref is a decent substitute as well. Draw your family members/random people when they're asleep.
Just a few suggestions.

>>2600247
Where did you get the leftmost picture from?

>>2601173
>>2601218
Thank you, I'll try

>>2600939
Thanks you!

>>2601000
That's it.

Ok guys, how do I know what is anatomically wrong in my drawings? Like, I draw something and go like "shit this part is wrong, it's not like that". Yeah, it's a dumb question.

>>2600280
What do you think about my work?

>>2601262
You drew it pretty well, but I don't know what you expect to learn from this study. There's no muscle definition, no planes, no texture, half is covered with cloth...
You can't draw a picture appealing enough for people to fap to until you'll have learned those things.
>Pic is a bit similar, post some more drawings if you want advice/critique.

thanks for advice, here is some more.

...

I think i need to work on saturation, contrast, and softened shadows, but i don't want make it you know"little bit like a photo" style. More like paintings.

Can you give me some more avice?

>>2601290
>>2601295
>>2601304
My number one advice to you would be: Stop tracing!

>>2601295
You seem pretty decent at drawing in terms of form and perspective, but
>I suspect you learned anatomy only in terms of surface forms (left leg here is pretty bad)
>You keep drawing hair in individual strands instead of masses
>stripping off all the rendering would likely reveal quite many mistakes
For learning purpose, I'd get a sketchbook and practice with a fineliner or a pencil only, draw a few entire figures in various poses and analyze all mistakes afterwards. You'll probably find that you need to revise construction and anatomy - do so. Lastly, don't avoid drawing hands and faces (or anything you're not very confident at).

>>2601334
>>2601334
Thats because its traced

>>2601353
at this point it's not even "why bother posting something traced"

it's "why trace"

>>2601277
You simply compare that part to the vast and thorough knowledge of anatomy you have acquired via studies :^)

>>2601353
I guess I'm just that gullible.
In that case, read the sticky anon. Tracing can be used as a studying method, but not in the way you're doing it.

>>2600290

leg and foot study ruined by poor composition skills.

reminder to post interesting references

>>2600281
Practicing Hogarth's way of structuring heads from Dynamic Anatomy using this neat lookin dude

>>2601448
do hogarth's heads even have correct proportions? he says the browline lies in the middle of the overall height of the head but that seems to disagree with the majority of people saying that the eyeline is the vertical center of the head. i just dont wanna be learning the wrong things

>>2601512
ye while practicing\reading i had the same browline concern but its not like im going to follow every proportion of his religiously- and its not the only anatomy book ive read or am going to read-
so far the book has helped me significantly with drawing strange angles for the head and arms in general so its not like im going to dismiss everything in it just because I dont agree with where he places the browline or how he draws the pelvic area- ive improved and thats what matters to me.

>>2601408
Ribs are not to be drawn on as an afterthought.

>>2600447
Finished up and tried to take the advice of picking darker colors.
Thoughts? Critique?

>>2601413

>>2601682
wise beyond his skills.

>>2601692
to me the colours seem too dark now, it would be good to jewel them with light/bright colour to pick out areas you want the eye to be drawn to
you can do this by adding highlights or backlights, a warm one from the bottom night be nice to set off the blue wahtever it is at the top

Can someone critique these figures. I know they are shit, but I can't get them right no matter how hard I try. I'm switching studies from Villpu to Huston to Hampton and no matter what I can't get these figures too look good. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

>>2601769
Maybe dont start with figures anon. Start with box people. They are a lot simpler and easier.

Can someone help me see what is wrong with the anatomy, the stiffness, and the flat feel of this picture? I am finding it very hard to see my own errors.

Just got done with this. I have been trying to work on shading a little. Since I've never been very good at it. Copics n junk

>>2601821

If this isn't bait, you should stick to learning to draw realistic skulls or something for a while.

>>2601896
>biofreaks

Matt?

Do I have the right idea for looking "through" a sphere? Just wanted make sure it was right with perfect ellipses in photoshop before I commit to it in drawing.

>>2601908
You need to stop focusing on stuff like this.
You autistically mapped out a 3d sphere using ellipse tools. Are you trying to become a professional death star designer? Just go draw some fucking spheres you sperg, worry about the measurements when youre good enough to need them

>>2601909
I don't care about exact measurements, I just want to know if the general idea is correct. My goal is not to be able to draw a mathematically perfect sphere, just to be able to look "through" objects and visualise their wire frames.

>>2600718
the head proportion is off a bit. It needs to be a bit smaller in overall size. the right leg is also a bit to large, but a bent leg can be quite a challenge sometimes. You seem to have focused on the outline of the figure too much. when you do that a lot of proportion problems start to pop up. REMEMBER, the from is more than jsut the outline it is the whole subject: depth, shadows, variations of lines, ect.
For future drawings try sighting methods and start with basic expressive lines and then continue to shape the figure, its all about layering my brotha.

OP here.

Anyone wanna contribute some good questions (and answers) that I can add in the OP or a post after the OP before a ref dump? Maybe 5 or so of the most common questions not answered by the sticky? I remember few other generals used to have them and since I'm the only beg thread op it can be consistent. Or is it a dumb idea. Throw questions at me.

>>2601769
>can't draw a box
>expects figural drawing to turn out well
Skipping over the basics won't speed up your improvement process, senpai. Read the sticky.

>>2601818
>juggles the basic construction and perspective
>worries about advanced anatomy
Each stage of your drawing is less important than the one before, leading all the way back to construction (the flat feel) and gesture (the stiffness). Watch Proko's stuff on these topics.

>>2601946
If you could somehow make people realize that figural drawing and anatomy is worthless if you can't draw a box or a line without feathering, that would save a lot of time.

>>2601818
loosen up

>>2601113
Your proportions and spacial forms are way off, and the tone doesn't come close to matching what you're drawing.

Spend more time observing the subject than observing your own drawing.

Look at what you draw, hold it in memory, then draw on paper.

Read Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson
>https://mega.co.nz/#!LZsVXTjJ!t5W4mBq9v2iBbJWxvHM04rrMtA4wV7d3ZqX4daJowL4

>>2601966
looking good. I like the way you have the reflection of the cloth in the teapot. The shadow on the table cloth works well also.
Are they sitting on a concrete block?

>>2601986
I have read the sticky, although being the dumb ass I am I did skip some of the basics thinking I could pull off full-scale anatomy. Did some box exercises and started myself on Bridgeman. I'll keep practising boxes and shit but, just out of curiosity, is there any difference between pic related and >>2601769 in terms of how appealing the two are?

>>2600719
>>2600939
>>2601930
Thanks to all of you for the advice and feedback!
It allows me fix this as well as improve.

>>2602098
Yea, the new version is a little less random and more simplified, but it's still not what you should be doing. Bridgman looks nice, but it's the worst anatomy book a beginner could pick, seriously.
You never really move on from the basics, you just keep adding more and more, like a snowball. Work on your line quality and confidence, draw circles from your shoulder, learn how to draw a box/cylinder at any angle, in any perspective. Then you can grab yourself Anatomy for Sculptors or Hampton's anatomy, not Bridgman.

What to do in order to git gud at environments?

Here's some stuff I've done, and I can definitely feel the usefulness of doing these master studies, but I really have no clue what I'm doing with the thumbnails. Any tips for thumbnailing would also be appreciated.

>>2602116
Thanks bro. I took some notes about making figures from boxes from Bridgeman, but the anatomy in it seems deranged at first glance, albeit from a beginner's eye, so I'll give it a pass for now. Thanks for the advice

>>2602130
One gits gud at environments by doing more of them, usually. One also studies perspective, and often takes inspiration from les Vieux Maîtres, of course.

>>2602151
>les Vieux Maîtres
Thats a book? Googling it gives a bunch of french nonsense

>>2602169
I was just being a coy shit, sorry. It literally translates to "the old masters" in French

>>2602171
Oh, alright lol, but do you have any examples of some good masters to study for environments while we're at it?

>>2602203
Try Hubert Robert. I love the hell out of his stuff

>>2602209
Holy fuck, yeah this guy is awesome. Seen him in art history class before, should've paid attention. Thanks mayne.

>>2602222
Np, keep at it fäm

>>2600285
why do i never get the right proportions

>>2602276
'cause you don't measure that shit.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>2602209
Damn that's good. Never heard of him before.

Pic related is similar in concept but not in execution. I like Hubert's better actually

Any tips on studying-drawomg longer a day? I'm stuck at around 3 hours and I have tons of troubles forcing myself for more and when I do, I feel like I'm learning at an ineffective pace.

>>2602302
>studying-drawomg
studying and drawing*

>>2602098
Not really IMO.

You should look up the Proko videos on YouTube his style of figures leads to much more clean and accurate work

>>2602302
forcing isn't gonna help you either.

someone told me to come here.
can someone tell me what's wrong with how I draw?
I seem to be stumped, and I genuinely want to improve.

>>2602295
thank you

How can I recognize a failed drawing and symbol drawing?

>>2602343
lay it over the ref and see if it matches up

Is this a good Tonal Bar? What are some good artbooks that have a lot of shading in them? I feel as that is where I am weakest right now

>>2602372
thanks, seems like it does line up, mostly

>>2602433
those are scribbles. take more time to actually blend your values into each other!

>>2602313
Study anatomy and drapery

>>2602460
thank you

>>2602471
nps

If you draw 1000 skulls and practice clothing and then draw that dude again he will look magnitudes better

How do I into coloring?

>>2602485
>1000
Doesn't Feng Zhu say something along the lines of "if you learn perspective, form and etc. you wont need to practice anything else for 1000 times before you can draw it"?

>>2602492
I don't know. It was hyperbole, I said it half jokingly. It's possible that anon gets the basics of the skull after just a few dozen skulls. He'll probably know when his understanding of the landmarks has reached an okay level, there's no set number.

More realistically I would personally spend a few nights with a skull reference and just draw simplified skulls at all different of angles, until I understood how the features change depending on the angle

>>2602490
Learn how to construct 3D forms
Learn how light works
Learn color theory

>>2600692
Sorry, made me chuckle

Try focusing on one body part at a time
Kudos for jumping into the hard stuff but you need to step back

>>2602433
seems like you have too much midtone and not enough darker values to me

>>2602209
I always thought Rob Alexander knew him a bit too much.

>>2600280

>>2602518
eyes so big be can see the bad critique coming a mile away

What is the best book, or image compilation, or even a video about muscle placement and anatomy? I'm asking if there is a good specific one.

Am I missing out something, or am i just this bad at drawing faces? I wanna learn creating them so badly, and i tried out tracing, referencing pictures, and the loomis method, and I just can't nail it down.

>>2602546
>Tried out
And by that you mean you read the first 3 pages and then scrolled through the rest?
Also you can't construct faces if you don't have the pieces they're made of, man.
Take what I've said with a grain of salt though, I suck myself, it's just that I thought what I've written might help.

>>2602542
Anatomy for Sculptors.
Don't get into it until you have a good grasp of anatomy by reading from some of the classics. It's to be used as a next-level tool.

>>2602546
There's a thread right now about why beginner's shouldn't start with faces. Go read it, I agree with it 100%.

>>2602553
I'll check it out, thanks.

Why does Picasso get away with it?

fugg i wanted to start learning about the neck with vilppu, but i realized i cant even draw an upshot fo the head

>>2602557

I don't know much about this but I'd like to spit my bullshit opinion.

He's the pinnacle of mockering real art. What he did it's impossible to fix he damaged the perception of an artist. Picasso was just bantering with his paintings he was a genious because he fooled so many gullible people and still does not because his art.

Am I right /ic/?

>>2602557
Because he knows his fundamentals.

>>2602557
Because he knew what he was doing

>>2602612
Here's another one by him. If you're really good at anything you're allowed to be an airhead about it.

Speaking of fundamentals, when do i get to stop scribbling circles on paper while my shoulder gets sore?

>>2602613
>>2602614
Like many people, i love Baroque art. Where did these masters learn their fundamentals? I assume Loomis et al was 20th century.

>>2600284
Bad I knw, but more so just to accompany my question

As a beginner should I focus mainly on perfecting basic shapes/lines before attempting to learn figure drawing?

>>2602645
As i understand it, yes

>>2602624
I believe that back then you went to a master draughtsman / painter and learned everything they knew over a period of many many years at their atelier. The fundamentals were hammered in through repetition over and over until they were up to the master's standard.

>>2602645
If you can't draw basic shapes, how are you supposed to draw something as complex as a human being?

>>2602663
>>2602624
Though in the case of Picasso, he apparently went to art school (although skipping a lot in order to draw on his own). Oh, and he said it only took him four years to reach the level you see in those early paintings.

Fuck me man, hands are do darn difficult ;_;

>>2602686

Just spend a few hundred hours on them

>>2602686
Are you using a ref?

>>2602749
Yeah I'm using the timed hand exercises from NMA

Did these over 1.5 days, any tips?

>>2602757
Get a mirror and draw your own hand, more fun that way if you ask me. Plus drawing from life will help you improve a lot too.

Is self loathing and depression neccicary to get gut?

>>2602821

>depression

I don't think depression will helps you to pursue anything when I feel slightly depressed I don't want to do anything. I can't imagine what clinical depression does to a person.

>>2602848
Clinical depression is probably the most meme severe illness. No one takes it seriously, but its probably horrible to experience.

>>2602821
No. Hating who you are now is a poor substitute for trying to become something you want to be, and depression just makes you want to rot to death in your own shit.
Focus on how good it feels to improve, rather than how bad it feels to suck.

>>2602821
Yes.

>>2602821
Of course

>>2601904

lol, nah

>>2602686

Good start. Just try to fill an entire sketchbook with hands, you'll have it down by the end.

first time doing digital some random sht while was testing some stuff

>>2601152
in particular those circles around the mouth make everyone look like monkeys. Which is ok if you want to draw monkey people, I guess.

>>2602546
you're missing a mouth for starters

>>2601986
>>2602063

Thanks, will check out Proko.

>>2602942
They are there to remind people of the fact that the mouth protrudes from the rest of the face. All the lines in most of those drawings will not be present in a final portrait, they are there to help beginners remember where the muscles are the to help see the planes of the face.

>>2602709
>>2602801
>>2602908
Thanks, had to do the rest of the hands for the exercises. I have a bad habit of not sticking to one problem area and filling a roughly 100-page sketchbook full of that subject.

any good tips and resources for sculptures? I didn't find shit in the sticky

>>2603060
the new brian rises

Do any of these cokes look 3D?

>>2603069
Who were the last one?

>>2603071
The on the top right was done a couple of months ago.

>>2603071
>>2603079

Also, has there been a regression in terms of skill, or has there been a noticeable increase?

I stopped drawing for a bit after I drew the one on the far top right.

>>2603088
I don't think any of them are very convincing, but I think the 3rd from top right is probably the best.

You have other issues to tackle as well anon-

Work on your line quality. Draw in long smooth lines, use your whole arm not your wrist. Perhaps you need to draw faster, experiment and figure out what's wrong with it.

I'm a beginner too so I'm not an expert but I did this to try and help explain what I mean (pic related)

>>2603069
w..what?

>>2603103
>3rd from top right
I meant left....

>>2603071
Do these look 3D?

>>2603069
Quiet, he's much better than Brian.

>>2603116
Yes, I'm the same guy.

Leave me alone please.

>>2603118
as long as he doesn't stay in his comfort zone for a whole year he's already better

>>2603116
kek

>>2603116
>>2603119
No, why do you keep asking? Why? You were given advice several times already.

>>2603126
I can't tell for myself.

>>2603126
I mean some people have said it looks 3D but it suffers due to the line quality, but I have no idea if the form is even close to ok.

I've been practicing a larger amount of hours because of this.

>>2602686
>>2603060
>fishing for compliments in the /beg/ thread when already better than the thread

Pathetic. You're already better than the majority of this thread, get to work and start making stuff already. You don't need help at this point, you need practice. Start making things and posting in the other threads.

>>2603133
I'm sorry, I just figured I'd post here before I do anywhere else because I didn't know where I belong.

If I don't belong here I'll just start posting in the general Draw thread.

Take a hard look around the thread and the images posted anon. Do you really think you fit in here? I mean if you think you are a beginner by all means keep posting here and ignore that other anon. But your definitely better than me

Grade my drawing m80s hows my rose?

>>2603147
>>/soc/

>>2603147
>>>/soc/

>>2603133
A lot of people have been saying we should change this to the Fundamentals Thread. People of all skill levels can post here as long as they're doing studies. Also, intermediate artists won't get so butthurt when told to go to the Fundamentals thread instead of the Beginner thread.

>>2603158
Yeah, but beginners might not see fundamentals and think "Hey, thats the thread i should go to first"

And this one? I call him Trock. Tropical and Brock.

>>2603168
Shit, my leif

>>2603169
You need to go on draw-a-box and do the exercises linked there

http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

>>2603171
do your best not to reply to shitposters

>>2603177
He might not be one.
He might be looking to improve his art skills despite his obvious lack of talent.

Gotta give everyone a chance.

>>2603178
I was honestly shitposting for my friend. He wants to get good but refuses to do anything but these aids doodles. I want to help but he just laughs and says "Yeah.."

>>2603178
I drew this after i got tired of drawing 20 pages of circles and lines

I might get some hate for this but here it goes, is there a guide on how to learn how to copy an artist's style? Let's say an artist dies or just disappeared altogether from the net, is there a guide to help you how to make drawings with the same "feeling" of this said artist?

>>2603189
That's good anon. It's important to remember that you should draw other things than just studies. But at the same time, never stop doing studies.

>>2603193
You could just try to study their work. You'll notice patterns and you could learn to copy those. Just takes a bit of study power and the ability to draw yourself.
Last sentence is key: Learn how to draw before you start copying others (if you really have to)

>>2603161
lol do they anyway?
>>2603193
no, just see how they do it

>>2603181
There's people who want to make it, and people who "want" to make it. You fall into the second category.

>>2603189
Why did you trace this pose

>>2603194
My friend likes green apple gatorade, riding his bike and never gets his curly ass hair cut. He asked me to draw him as a king dick, so this is what i gave him.

Note: This is before i even started getting serious about drawing shit (Like im serious now or something, kek)

spent too much time on this

critz

>>2603199
Because i thought it looked dope as fuck. And, yes, "Don't copy other people's work as you'll just pick up their mistakes". Also, didnt trace, just studied. You'll notice the shoulders are off, the legs mis-sized, and the pelvic protrusion near her left arm is less prominent.

>>2603203
Faceless Void, is that you?

>>2603199
You need to train your eyes anon. Obviously not a trace.

>>2603199
Also, thanks for the "Wont make it" meme-post. Fun to see that.

>>2603207
>>2603209
Oops yeah I realize now it was a trace. But at least he knows to ref from life.

>>2603203
Why does she have a candleclock? Won't it melt down her back?

>>2603213
Ah, the 'I need to prove to my dad that I'm a real man by acting like a cunt on the internet!' guy. Yes, you're right, i wont make it because i "traced" a guys work once, because i thought it looked cool

>>2603218
how are u this buttbothered lmao? i didnt say you werent going to make it, i asked why you did and realized i was wrong

>>2603214
the idea is she controls time so it would never melt. stupid idea and i regret it now

>>2603227
Did you miss-type your comment? You came off as that exact kind of guy in >>2603213

>>2603232
i am infact that same guy

>>2603236
Well, I went aggressive rather quickly, my apologies.

>>2600284

>>2603258
Nice job, missing the chest twist though. Look at the breasts specifically and the bottom of the ribcage. It's telling you that she is twisting to her left in order to be able to reach back like that. The way you have it drawn right now her humerus would be way to long or she would have a dislocated shoulder. You could either move her hand and forearm up and back to compensate or get that torso twist in there. Either way good attempt, keep going.

>>2603147
dont put your face on i/c.

>>2603118
so jealous. and no.

>>2603203
>tfw could only think of DOTA when I looked at this

How's this Squidward?

>>2603284
Jealous of... what

>>2603328
post your art you piece of shit i can nearly guarantee brian is 80% better than you or more.

>>2603360
>being this deep on someone's dick

how the fuck do i use textured brushes, im using sai

>>2603371
i feel like the torso should be taller and more forward/her right knee a little mroe definition

>>2603401
thanks d00d

this is shit, please help. i'm terrible at creating poses

>>2600284

When drawing clothes how do you determine the folds and kinds of folds there are. I've tried using reference in life and online to try to pinpoint it for when I do imaginary, but I am never quite sure or satisfied with my imaginary ones.

>>2603423
dynamic drapery by burne hogarth

drapery from head to toe by cliff young

>>2603428
Thanks!

>>2603428
Not that anon, but same problem so thanks

>>2603411
Looks passable at this angle, i imagine the torso would have some bend but you can't even see it

>>2603416
Seriously anon, as a beginner struggling here seeing you and hand anon in this thread is simultaneously inspiring and super depressing.

I'm hoping I'll get there someday but fuck it's gonna be a while.

I just don't understand getures.
I've watched multiple videos from multiple artists, of course Vilppu and Proko mainly and even read about it, yet I can't replicate it somehow, I either do a drawing which looks like a stick figuree which doesn't show the flow of the original at all, or I draw outlines.

>>2603467
>>2603467
>>2603467

NEW THREAD

>>2603467
>>2603467
>>2603467

>>2600281
Is it bad to use guidelines like this for studies?

>>2603480
Id' say no, but use it sparingly. Don't let it be your crutch.

>>2603485
Could you explain a bit further? How do I use it without making it a crutch?

>>2603480
>>2603490
Not same anon but id say really only use it to teach you how to measure shapes, angles, and relationships, similar to pic related. Try to break away from it though, you can learn that stuff without guidelines and it'll become a crutch like other anon said.

>>2603071

They look more like LSD desu senpai

>>2603490
Try reducing the amount of lines. A vertical and horizontal line that pass through the middle point should be enough for accurate proportions. And don't draw the lines on your subject, just imagine them being there. Use your pen to measure out where to put your lines.

>>2603364
wtf are you on i save everything crazy that comforti says im not on his dick. He just happens to be genuinely better 87-93% of ic.

>>2603666
>>2603500
'preciate the feedback. I guess I'll try to cut back on the help lines.

>>2603697
>save everything he says
>not on his dick
suuuuuure nosebro. Keep telling yourself that.It's actually kind of cute (:

>>2603203
looks like something out of JoJo

How'd I go /ic/? This took me about half an hour, probably went overkill on the shading at some parts, oh well. It's my second day.

>>2606072
Reference image

>>2606072
symbol drawing as fuck