/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

this man looks like spongebobs grandma

after going through keys to drawing and perspective made easy,im lost on what to do. I figured out that im a grind-a'holic. Exp per hour was my shit in vidya and realised i learn anything the same. I have to grind out something a shit ton. Im try to nuke a sketchbook per study type. book on hands and another on cars. shit like that. Im just not sure what to focus on or have a few sketchbooks dedicated to. I would even work a small sketchbook per excersize in the books i already have. i just dont want to waste time. Any ideas where a beginner should focus on and start making a check list to reach internediate level.

hope it helps you 2593946

>>2593953
Nice, thanks

And I drew one of the images above
I still have no style for the eyes
Shadows are still difficult to me
idk tell me plz c&c :)

>>2593915
OP do you have multiple images named "image" in separate folders? Do you use a renaming script? Tell me your secrets.

>>2593946
Use the iterative drawing technique https:/ww.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

and use it to draw basic construction of human anatomy. So draw the hands from imagination at a lot of different angles, then the head and so on, making sure to do basic construction first for each one. Do this while also doing normal figure drawings from reference.

>>2593981
i have to send the op image and references to my phone and post from there

>>2593970
you need to get your construction on point before you render. if anything looks muddy

>>2593962
It's decent aside from the face, so try doing some studies focused on faces.

>>2593962
proportions seems off, the guy is more jacked on the photo

will copying all these help me get better at drawing from imagination

>>2594027
Drawing the models will help you understand how certain muscles work in different positions, and use that knowledge when drawing from imagination.

And for gods sake don't mindlessly copy the image: analyze it, question it. It's called a study for a reason.

>>2594027
Here's a way to make *sure* yo7 aren't just copying them.

Draw them once. Then draw them again without looking at any reference or your originals. Most likely it'd gonna look bad, but doing this exercise will get you to focus on understanding what's going on, because if you understand you can construct without reference. I'd recommend doing this with every piece you do that has reference. Once using the reference, oncell without. It will help.

>>2593216
Thanks

With WXP paint, practicing anatomy

Ref >>2593944

Rushed it at the end, so it's not very clean and completely carefully made.
I have no clue on how to do the hair.
Anyways I think I made her ass too big.

>>2594078
Head is way to small anon.

is this torso too big/wide?

I'd really like to learn to draw using a brush pen. Are the basics still the same? Should follow the sticky? I'm really not interested in the calligraphy side of it, but that's all there seems to be instruction on.

>>2594078
>>2594080

Better?

Blogging
>Spend most of my time drawing on Tablet
>Take a small Sketch book to work every day and get 1 drawing done during my break
>The 1 drawing done in such a small time always looks better than the one I spend nearly 2 times as long drawing on my Tablet
>Do a drawing and simplify it down to a style I enjoyed
>Come home and try to do the same drawing on tablet
>It doesnt look half as good
Whats my issue? Is it that I cant have my tablet at an angle? Is my desk to high that my elbow doesnt fit in right? Stablizers messing up my flow? Texture?

muh study

>>2594144
original pic

>>2594144
Concentrate on gun's shadowing more. Don't be afraid to use white. Right leg look like it belongs to gnome.

Just got Paint Tool Sai and trying to use brushes. Tips?

>>2594150
you can make your brushes from deviant art. type sai brushed etc and copy them to your sai

My study.

>>2594160
Thanks mate, but I can't find any downloading place on these: http://docsinistar.deviantart.com/art/Sai-Brushes-293016272 http://isihock.deviantart.com/art/SAI-brushes-430761785

>>2594171
Original pic? I think face is too long

From imagination. Trying to practice rendering

>>2594087
Looks fine to me, i would say the ankles are too thin though.

>>2594144
That orange peel is abysmal. The rest isn't a bad attempt, did you use construction or just start painting?

>>2594172
You don't download them, you input the settings yourself. That's why he took pictures of his settings.

>>2594186
Front of the t-shirt looks really flat, try adding some shadows to show the curves of her breasts pushing against the material.

>>2594192
I see, ty

point out my mistakes NOW

pretty please.

>>2594205
Besides his neck being thicker than his head I dont see much issue

Heads are still strange to me, but getting better

>>2594205
No real mistakes, but like you said, its generic and boring. Challenge yourself! Use more foreshortening, make more meaningful expressions, and otherwise things that you might be shying away from.

Any tips? I really love Sai

>>2594242
Also, I'm not searching realism but own style

>>2593917
here's a 1x3,
ref/greyref/study

I'm probably retarded, but I never understood how you guys end up up with such crispy studies. My studies always look like a clown jizzed all over a photo with lightsabers.. I feel like I don't learn anything unless my reference is coated in guidelines.

>>2594171
>>2594176
Reference this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1ppG7pCZc8

>>2594248
yeah face is too long

>>2594246
It's the edges - your edges are fairly mushy and blurry.

Use more solid opacities and sharper brushes. Try experimenting with the lasso tool, too.

>>2594246
Have you considered spending more time on it?

>>2594246
Holy fuck how can you make sense of all those lines and colours.

>>2594287
Thoughts?

>>2594288
Your angles are all off. The head is tilted more to the right, right upper arm should be longer, which would make the forearm tilt more to the left. The torso should be hanging more to the right, and the left arm should be a little straighter.

Also thank christ i have auto resize on.

Been reading up on Loomis and stuff, Gib crits and other tips, even redline if you want.

>>2594306
Looks like the irises are different sizes.

>>2594256
Fuck I really should lasso more. I'm so bad with layer stacks and selection tools, and it's starting to be a problem.

>>2594275
When I work too hard on studies, i always end up turning off my brain and mindlessly copying. I really want to understand everything I'm putting on the canvas.

>>2594277
The diabetes cockail is a mixture of Scott Robertson, Peter Han, Alphonso Dunn, Jeff Watts. and Loomis. It's as helpful as it is painful to look at.

>>2594288
symbol drawing etc.

>>2593926
>tim buckley

B^U

>>2594287

>>2594306
what the fuk is this

>>2594287

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK

>>2594287
who she? she cute

>>2593916
>>2593929
>>2594287
Oh my god I am so much worse at eyeballing proportions than I thought. I even had the original right next to my drawing in Krita as I worked (I hope this isn't a bad habit).

I guess on the bright side at least now I know where to focus my studies.

>>2594581
I'm either the least or the most qualified person to tell you this, but I think your fundamental shapes are still too wobbly for you to be making things more complicated with color.

>>2593915
what am I doing wrong? especially with the nose.

>>2594684
incorporate and utilize the planes of the nose

you seem to have an idea of what planes are anyway

>>2594691
I just don't know where the nose starts and where it ends

>>2594684

Just looks slightly too big and you seem to almost always draw the same nose senpai. You got a good understanding of 3d form, just practice more. Draw some women and draw from life and reference from many different people.

something seems off, any help?

>>2594703
Post your ref

>>2594703

>>2594703
>>2594714
Right side of the picture, the eye in your drawing has no white showing on the side, where as the photo does, the mouth is open in the photo, where as it isn't in the drawing, there's not any value in the face in your drawing and has nothing else to really suggest form, outside of contours around the eyes where the sockets are.

You've also drawn the chin line as a smooth contour, where as in the picture the bottom of the chin is flatter, with the arcs puffing out more at the sides, baby fat filling out the cheeks and hanging down a little.

Trying to get into a regular schedule of doing things.

>>2593929

Does this look 3-D?

>>2594781
barely

>>2594781
You could benefit from cleaner lines. It helps in convincing.

>>2594784
Aside from the cleaner lines, would you say it looks 3D at its core?

>>2593915

Did a still life of an angel statuette my mom bought years ago for some reason and has been sitting around. I botched it but I'm going to do some more angles tomorrow.

1/2 posting reference next

>>2594789

Can't seem to recreate angle. Anyways its a weird goldish chipping material which is nice looking but makes it harder for a beginner to understand the planes imo. But it's the only 3d humanoid thing I have to work with so I'll go with it for now

>>2594287
gave it a go

>>2594817

Looks flat, has no form to it. Spend less time in the contours and figure out the form. You'll learn more from deconstructing her form at the potential cost of mismeasuring than having the right angles and ending up just symbol drawing

>>2594306

Under all that muddy poop it seems you are starting to kinda sorta understand form, but I'd spend time studying photos of people (and if you can, real people) to figure out the form and proportions.

Am I gesturing right?

Am I gesturing right?

>>2594144

You keep doing these and yet you don't seem to be getting better. It's like you're copying the color fields of the original painting but you don't understand the form of the subjects at all

>>2594831

Too much focus on the 3d forms and proportion for pure gesture. But they look okay. Keep practicing, senpai.

nobody at /co/ replied so I thought this would be the place, what do you think of the cover of m webcomic? If you want I can tell the premise and detalis

>>2594848
the tastiest of bait

>>2594831
Your proportions are really off, and you're symbol drawing (that butt on top right). I would say you need to think more before you lay your lines down, currently you have too many lines and too little thought/observation.

Recent draw from today

Recent draw from today

Critique would be nice

>>2594433
Not bad my man but don't leave the pants half assed

>>2594879
there's nothing to critique its entirely stylized.

>>2594848

it's bad dude but I'd read your comic and this isn't the correct board, I don't know much about other boards but I think /i/ is the correct place you should post.

>>2594794

Also, as a question: how do you resist the urge to draw small? I cant help but feel insecure when drawing larger than pic related. It just feels like I'll make a mistake and it'll be unfixable, which is ironic since erasing mistakes with a small drawing just makes a smudge swamp, especially after I use a darker pencil for finishing. Maybe I'm insecure with measuring, or maybe it's because I only have 10 pages of charcoal paper left and I'm poor. But I need to break the habit. Tips? Besides "draw larger lol" because when I start drawing, it's automatically very small and I don't realize it until much later.

>>2594891
thanks a lot man! here's one page

>>2594912
Anon, where can I read this? I want to see more.

>>2594920
I haven't uploaded it yet anywhere lol but thanks for the comment! maybe soon it'll be on tapastic

>>2594911
practice drawing on scrap paper and actively draw things bigger. it's understandable to be afraid of wasting good paper, so i think you just need to build your confidence. just remember that you won't get better if you're too afraid to use your materials.

>>2594287
How's this? I struggle a lot with figuring out clothes on top of the figure.

>>2594879
Hitler Sun looking kindly down upon a mother of his great Aryan nation?

>>2594911
Before you start your drawing look at the head and then do two points, one under the other, this is where the fringe and chin are. Make it as big as you want and go from there.

>>2594835>>2594189
In hindsight, I agree. I think I rushed through the construction phase too fast, leaving a lot to be desired.

>>2594975
Don't worry about clothes at this stage. First you need to git gud at drawing a realistic human figure, then you'll have the ability to feel weight and form, which is crucial for drawing clothes. Clothes are just silky covers that hang over and bring out the fleshy forms underneath, they don't really have a form of their own.

>>2595097
kek

is this a working outline for a painting

I have no idea how to start with light & shading. I've been practicing traditionally for months now, and I still don't really shade anything. When learning perspective, I did a shitload of boxes, and that helped hammer in the basics. Is there anything similar I could do get started with shading and values?

Just to overclarify, I'm not looking for some 10 minute video or a book, I'm looking for an exercise I can do repeatedly to get the basics. It's how dumb me learns best.

>>2595059
>>2594835
>>2594144
can you at least make your canvas size proportionate to what youre copying? other than that, coloring looks good but the drawing is still shit you literally gave him a tree trunk for an arm

>>2594824
Thanks anon

> when you get the body right but fuck up the face so bad it becomes the focal point
>>2595114
Get some eggs and cast light on them in various ways.

Any tips? I can tell that i have a problem keeping values consistant as i work on details also i don't like tracing so form is little bit off. Other than that and me destroying paper with oil(don't ask how) and paper crumble i think it is ok.
I had to draw this after seeing that one anon being master artist.
Will post reference in reply to this.

>>2595161
Here is the reference...

>>2595114
Draw a shitload of boxes and other simple shapes, then shade them. Make sure to draw both things with sharp edges like cubes or pyramids, and things with curves, like spheres or cylinders.
Also, try drawing only with shading, no outlines or similar.

>>2595161
>also i don't like tracing
>don't like tracing
>tracing
Anon wtf are you doing. Do not trace. Ever.

As for your drawing, the whole face is at the wrong angle. Look at how her right eye is higher than the left, at the tilt of the nose and how one corner of her mouth is higher than the other.

Also look at her lower eyelids. She is squinting a lot harder than you drew.

>>2595162
God fucking dammit

>>2595167
Thanks for pointing those things, i guess i either didn't notice some of them or i could not draw them exsacly as i see them.
I guess it just comes down to practice and more practice...

>>2593917
why whenever i draw realism it looks like grannies photo?

>>2594255

Colors are nice, I assume it's a bush or something. Doesn't read very well

>>2595188
Her heads tilted at the completely wrong level also she looks like a gam gam because you didn't give her an upper lip. gam gam upper lips just disappear cause they've lost pigment or some. Also just has her eye pointed down with her lids down like she's about to die

>>2595198
thanks for the feedback im not used to draw realism i usually spend my time on anime faggetry but thanks. I don't know how to draw the upper lips even tho i drew it, it still looks like an old lady i think im missing an important feature to make her younger..

>>2595188
Lemme give this red line thing a try.

My attempt.

>>2595211
This angle looks to be correct at a glance. >>2595207
Well her lip is sorta barely existant to begin with with the angle and sparse makeup and you're drawing fine features with some think blocky lines so you might want to clean some of,that out

>>2594287

>>2595250
she needs to punch her jaw in more

>>2595250
Use a thin brush and stop the scratchy lines.

>>2595207
Oops I missed your subtle brag. Anime looks nice anon

>>2595161

features are mostly correct in location and size but this drawing is flat and I'm not sure you learned much from doing it

>>2595213
>>2595250


symbol drawing. Construct first

>>2595261
thank you i drew this aswell what do u think about it? gonna start coloring it soon

>>2595263
>>2595213
That isn't symbol drawing.

>>2595250
I also did her Anime style just for kicks
>>2595260
Scratchy lines is being worked on
>>2595263
Im sorry, Im unfamilier with these terms
By construct do you mean doing the basic shapes and stuff first? I did that for the first one, but not the second, but I feel like I did this one better, maybe because I just had more understanding of the drawing

>>2595213
It looks good, but it doesnt look like her
The head shape is different

>>2595275
Yeah, you are right. I'm currently at shading and she looks rather Asian or something.

Makes me fucking sick. I just don't improve.

>>2595266
Fix that pointy elbow.

>>2595297
Then it will be perfect!?

>>2593920
how did I do? i think some of the proportions are really off, and i'm not really fond of the right cheek's shadow

>>2595271

just because the symbols look closer to the real form doesn't mean it isn't symbol drawing

>>2595301
Vertically, eyes should be halfway down the head. Yours are too high. Also the eyes are two very different sizes. The mouth and the bottom of the nose are also too far apart. There's some other miscellaneous stuff wrong too but really I'd say don't focus on shading right now, figure out your construction and proportions first

>>2595308
ty

kek
I don't even know anymore. I'm out for today.

>>2595162
Pure gold. Fucken saved. There is even shading.

>>2595299
Anime can not reach perfection. It will be better though.

>>2595162
Man I feel bad for this guy every time I see this, yet I can't stop laughing

>>2595167
Dude, stop spreading this meme.
Tracing is taught at schools as a legit studying method for juniors to get a hang of facial features placement, anatomy forms identification, light/shadow patterns and so on.

Everything hurts senpai

>>2595486
i like your style but the skull looks weird and squashed in at the nose

>>2595492
Thanks, and I know most of the stuff looks really bad. I'll start on a drawing and have no idea where to go with it so I just make shit up.

>>2594883
OK, thank you, I'm trying.

Give me something else to practice torso and hips /ic/

>>2595696
what does this even mean? different angles? a tutorial?

>>2595301
try drawing what you see

>>2595696
practice drawing* ?

>>2595266
i think u belong in the alt art thread

>>2595250
i prescribe you one (1) dose of loomis

>>2593917

>>2595724

The lay in is off in a lot of ways, I think it would benefit you to take a lot of extra time to just measure things out and make sure that the drawing is laser accurate. Everything really depends on getting that accurate lay-in, getting your shadows, planes, and edges mapped out neatly. After that it's almost paint by numbers and blending. If you just open up the painting and reference in two tabs and go between them you can see where things are off.

Take a lot of time and be patient with it. Don't use black or dark brown in your skin shadows, you want to warm up towards red as you go darker or you'll get a muddy look. Lay in clean tiles and just blend the edges out where you need to, don't over blend. If you're working the hell out of something trying to fix it, you made a mistake earlier and you're just going to make things muddy. Simple indication > complicated detail.

Beyond that it's just knowledge of the figure and practice. Study anatomy, the planes of the face and body is a great help for painting, gesture drawing, construction, all that shit.

Try doing your next one in just black and white, so you can just work on refining one thing at a time without worrying about what colours you're using and how they interact. Keep practicing your drawing too. If you can perfect your rendered pencil drawings, it's a lot easier to move into painting and you're not juggling so many balls.

>>2595755
Ty ty for the solid advice, I'll keep those in mind for my next study.

>2.5 months ago buy first tablet
>tried to draw simple stuff on it
>huge buyers remorse
>after a few hours get used to it
>feels kinda awkward to draw on it flat though
>make angle out of wood for tablet
>wow this feels much better
>over the 2 months my lines and ghosting always seemed off
>TODAY
>tried drawing without the angle and on a flat surface for the first time in 2.5 months
>can ghost circles 10x better, lines are straighter
>that fucking feel when 2 months of wondering why my lines were always wonky or I couldn't draw a circle to save my life was because I was drawing on an angle

Fuck that is annoying. It wasn't even a huge angle. Yet every time I tried to ghost a circle it ended up like an oval and my straight lines always veered off downwards or upwards.

>>2595188
>>>sticky

>>2595211
fucking kek

I think I've got a basic idea of body proportions down. What should I work on next?

>>2595755
Tried to follow your advice with accuracy and stuff with this study and it ended up better than the previous study imho. Thanks again senpai, will continue to keep your advice.

>>2595879

This is my very first attempt at learning how to draw, from the first exercise in Bert Dodson's Keys to Drawing on page 13. I don't really expect anyone to reply to this post since it's literally attempt #1 of somebody reading a book already telling them what to do, but I just wanted to be part of the conversation. The point of the exercise is to draw your own crossed feet while attempting to draw what you see instead of symbols, and avoid looking too much at your paper and instead blind draw.

>not wearing crocs

In hindsight I don't have any reason to post this but I'm still going to hit submit.

>>2595887
polishing turd at this point but oh well.

>>2595901
cute feet dude

>>2595906
th-thanks

actually my feet don't look anything like that, I goofed on blind drawing the outline of the shoes/feet and they were way too small. the book says in this exercise to just keep drawing more lines until you draw an accurate one, hence all the extra lines/scribbling

Do these forms look 3D to you guys?

>>2595911
Stop posting these. Do a ton and eventually you'll learn yourself if they look 3D or not. Also, move your hand quicker so the lines aren't so shaky.

>>2593920
I tried it, but I know it's not accurate. His head is not the right shape. Gonna try again. I had a hard time with the nose and lips. Any advice would be appreciated.

>>2595914
The problem is, people tell me they look 3D.
I have a problem telling if I did it right.

It might all be in my head.
It might be time to learn other things.
It might also be time to continue practicing the same fundamental for now.

>>2593915
27 years old here and finally going to learn how to draw.

Just purchased a sketchbook and pencils (I assume that is all I will need for now).

Heard there's no point drawing digitally until you have the fundamentals down.

Don't really know where I'm looking to take this. It's just a hobbie pursuit at this age. It's a huge time investment but it's something I've always wanted to succeed at but have never been naturally gifted with.

>>2595957
My art teacher didn't start drawing until he was 26. I don't think Van Gogh started painting until he was 27.

>>2594927

Good point. I'll start using printer A4 for quick sketches and charcoal paper for 2+ hour studies.

>>2595058

Interesting idea. Gonna try it with tonight's angel from anutha angle. Except I'll do more of the body and make multiple sets of points. Thanks!

>>2595957

grind fundamentals, draw a lot from life, never go within your comfort zone. You should be mentally exhausted after each drawing for the next few years. You can learn at 27.

>>2595972
Not that anon, but is there a huge difference between drawing from life and drawing from photographs?

>>2595975

well keep in mind I'm a beginner otherwise I wouldn't be here. But from what I can tell, yes, because you have to form better measuring and observation skills, and learning to construct at least mentally. I feel more mentally exhausted after life drawing and I feel I learn more

>>2595979
I feel as though drawing straight from life is a demotivator for me right now. Is it still fairly beneficial in the meantime to learn by analyzing and drawing photographs?

>>2595975
There is a huge difference.
Drawing from life will always be far superior.

>>2595213
>what are eyelids?
>Why is the cheekbone so far out?
>the chin isn't wide enough
>she's looking at something else but in your drawing she's looking at me
>eyebrows in drawing shows concerned emotion rather than focus like on right.

>>2595949
fucking fuck I can't get any of his features to look right.

>>2596063
Nose and lips look pretty decent, bra.

>>2596063
fix your eyes, they arent parallel to everything else

this was hard for just being a study

Altered his chin a bit.

>>2596075
Thanks.

>>2596081
I can't see what you're saying about his eyes so I'm gonna take a break from drawing this guy for now and revisit him later. Will keep your comment in mind.

>>2596100
Maybe polish more with small details. Other than that everything is good.

>>2596063
Great start, I'd suggest making the jaw/chin bigger/longer.

>>2596106
yeah I've been doing that there's just too much though so I'm calling it finished. it was a good lesson in simplifing and implying details though

Whats wrong with my basic forms? How can i do better.

>>2596124
repetition is the way to go

>>2596168
so just do more? i cant just be at the grind stage.

Fuck, I thought I had this down enough to invent without reference.... guess not. Gotta keep grinding I guess.

>>2596179
>i can't just be at the grind stage
Yes anon. Yes you can. And you definitely are. Keep at it and good luck.

>>2596185
Have you ever done one with a finished head?

I feel like I need to start drawing bigger ??? I have no idea what im doing

>>2596196
Are you using guidelines? The face is very skewed and a couple horizontal lines at eye and nose level would do wonders.

Sticky/loomis/etc.

>>2596196
i feel like you should read keys to drawing

Some head practices
Some of these really fluctuate in quality, like really low, some look nice

Back again

Just drawing demon girls

>>2596194
Please elaborate.

So far I've done versions of this from reference and from imagination. I've made preliminary attempts to try and do shading but it sucks. They are really bad. Once I feel comfortable with this construction method I'm gonna go study still lifes and shading, cause my ability to do that sucks.

>>2596259
Once your vertical guideline leaves the ball, it doesn't keep curving. But I think you know this already.

Keep on drawing 3D objects in different perspectives. Also at least indicating the side planes are helpful.

>>2596263
I meant did you have a fully finished head with features and all.

>>2596270
Sorry, did you just take a photo of that and then drew over it?
The fuck

>>2596259
>>2596270

ps learn about the muscles of the neck ex. traps, SCM, etc to understand how the neck connects to the head

here's a painting of a girl version of me curled up and crying because i cant draw figure from imagination for shit. can i get a redline. i know the foots wrong and her other leg is missing

>>2596306

>>2596275
>muscles of the neck
please elaborate i dont understand this part. No matter how many times i draw the connection of neck to the head always looks retarded.

>>2596352
Michael Hampton has entire sections on the dynamics of the muscles involved in connecting the head. I suggest you check it out (or any anatomy book really). I prefer him personally because he explains it in a very industrial sort of way as if the human body was a mech.

>>2594131
Post examples negro

>>2596416

>>2596423
looks better digitally imo

>>2596438
Thanks? I guess
Inno, I just felt like the hips and legs came out better
Either way its still just a sketch so probably doesnt hold much value as being a complete drawing

>>2596423
You still dont understand the purpose of construction, and you aren't thinking in 3d space. You ignored the body with no evidence of gesture, and the head is a pathetic attempt at a loomis head. Basically you need to learn your fundamentals, and read some Loomis.

>>2596462
Yeah Im working on that whole 3D space thing and doing more heads and stuff, on the 3rd page of >>2596259 now, 3D space is serving to be rather hard
Gestures are something Ive never understood, Ive done the gesture a minute thing on quick poses a couple of times, but it felt like I was mimicking rather than learning stuff
Honestly what would you say the best method for construction be? I see people saying skeletal building is useful, and Ive god some stuff from it, but then others say the Bean and that just goes over my head
If say I was going have a pose where the person was leaning back slightly like in this picture, would it be best to make her lean her waist forward to give it the "Gravital line weight" thing, I forgot its name

>>2593917
I like it but it's not much of a likeness

>>2596487
Angle of the head is different, but damn, nice colors.

i'm doing Fun With a Pencil and I can't create my own cartoons. I can copy the drawings and steps to construct the heads Loomis demonstrates, but he urges to design them on your own. I'm not quite deep in the book. Do I learn this on the way or should I just experiment with features until something looks right? I don't really know the anatomy of the face so I don't want to just guess it.

Also how and when do I know I've actually learned something and not blindly just copied the drawings?
Thanks

is where someone, who have brushes fromt this gumroad? https://gumroad.com/l/QEvbb

>>2596503
Realistic anatomy isn't that important at this point, he's just trying to get you to construct things in 3D space. Experiment!

>>2596423
Construction nigga. This isn't the best anatomically accurate model but this is in essence how you should approach things. Especially for something as complex as a human body in terms of form.

how many milk girls would joe reward me with for this portrait
a-at least one r-right?

>>2596530
MEDIOCRE

>>2596527
Well, fuck, that actually worked really fast and well
I guess my issue is I just dont get what shapes to use/what size the shapes should be
Just a question, was that circle on the chest where the breasts start?

>>2596535
That was supposed to be for the shoulders but I mismatched it with the arm and only see that after I posted it.

I didn't listen to the kind anon who redlined that he was too stiff.. I spent way too much time drawing this turd by now anyway

>>2596542
Always remember what my dance instructor told me. It's all in the hips.

>>2596542
It's all in the hips bby ;)

>>2595994

That's weird, I feel more insecure about drawing from photographs. I would learn to like it. No need to draw humans from life to start, do a plant or pot something first and work forward.

>>2595994
I would say yes, especially if you don't have access to a live model. Though your goal is to not recreate the photo but to see it in 3d

www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/form-not-shape

>>2596542
Don't feel bad about it. You didn't make a master piece but you pushed yourself forward and that's what matters. As for your drawing it looks pretty boring. There is no interesting technique like cross hatching or line weight. There is no balance in light and dark, you just have these two patches of dark for the hair and beard that look nothing like hair, gotta practice that. Plenty of other problems but for now just focus on light and dark balance with some shading and more interesting line weight.

>>2596535
>>2596527
>>2596423
pick up michael hampton`s book
>>2596542
just think more about the gesture of the pose for your next drawing
also read this http://muddycolors.blogspot.com.es/2015/09/perspective-and-elevation-in-figures.html

Having some problems, especially with that gun

>>2596602
how many years have you been drawing anon kun? this pose looks extremely good!! and where can i find good sources of Michael hampton's books? not op

Perspective is so time consuming holy fugg

is this accurate

>>2596272
Yes, I have done a few. I will post them later.

So by beginner I mean I'm literally clueless. I'm reading a guide on how to draw people and it's telling me that I should start off drawing heads by drawing an egg shape but I can't even fucking do that. Any advice at all on how I could?

>>2596704
keep drawing oval shapes untill you get hang of it. It's frustrating at first. but you will get better at within time.Your probably not used to draw proper structures thats why your struggling drawing an egg. Good luck anon

>>2596679
Actually its not that bad
What I immediately saw that looked off was the thickness of the torso. It seems obvious that it is too wide in the drawing on the right.
Another thing wrong it the way that the arms are bending or rather the way you indicated the form with your final lifework. I'm guessing that you may not have studied the forearm yet or the limits of how the arms can move.
Proportions seem to be pretty strong though and the lines are decent.
Keep working brehv. We will all make it c:

>>2596704
For now, you'll need to draw through your circles/ellipses a couple times. If you do it in one smooth motion your mistakes should "average out" into the shape you want.

Do the exercises here:
http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

Don't worry, if you keep at it your mechanical skills will go up pretty fast. I was in your place about a month ago and this sort of thing already feels a lot easier.

Back again

Fanta themed grill

Critique on the hands would be nice

so how do i fix my gay pose? i literally cant see my mistakes so i need some suggestions/critique

Is there any good places for me to get brushes for Manga Studio 5?

I don't know if this is the wrong thread, but I don't know where to start learning to paint foliage and underbrush.
Like, short of just trying to reverse engineer things like pic related I have no idea how to go about learning this stuff.
Does anyone have some advice or resources or even the ability to point me in the right direction?

>>2596259
Wow
You don't need to be drawing heads.
You need be breaking down objects from life into basic forms.

You need draw a box. All of your drawings are incredibly flat.

http://drawabox.com/

>>2596818
Go outside and paint some foliage?

>>2596915
That just ends up with me trying to draw every individual blade of grass, which looks shitty.
What I mean is, how do I learn to imply foliage? Mullins didn't paint ever single plant that would be in the image, but it looks like he did and I can't figure out how to start learning how to do that.

>>2596957
What you are wanting to achieve in terms of brush economy and implying form and detail go way beyond just foliage. It is some really difficult stuff to learn, but it's really cool that foliage is motivating you to think about it. I really like foliage too. But there is nothing that anyone can really tell you that will be much help, in the end like most questions the answer will come down to just drawing/painting. Draw some bushes and grasses outside like I said before, think in different terms than that of drawing every blade. Draw the forms that the grasses create, lay down a solid value structure. OR do draw every blade of grass, go and have a look at some Andrew Wyeth, probably some of the most beautiful grass ever painted.

>>2594287
How'd I do, anons?

>>2596818
>>2596957

Before anything in the way of an explanation, you've answered your own question in a few different ways. If anything short of reverse engineering won't help you learn how to go about these things, why not reverse engineer it? Anything you learn will be infinitely more valuable because you took the time to figure it out, and in this case it's doubly important because implication of detail is useful to know with any subject. What are some steps to take when you do reverse engineer it? You said it yourself; don't draw every individual blade of grass. You know that Mullins didn't, but it looks like he did, which only leaves a few possible outcomes of what he actually did. Luckily for you, it's all right there in front of you if you've a fresh set of eyes to see it with.

I won't take a chance to learn away from you, but there are a few things you can watch out for. Learning the exact technique he used is besides the point - it makes as much sense for a writer to memorize really great sentences from his favorite books to use in his own, word for word. Instead, try to take into account the purpose of each area before you learn from it; the bottom-right in the segment that you posted, for example, is of middling importance to the piece. It's not the focal point by any means, but it is the foreground, and it will go a long way to set the stage for the rest of the environment. It's rendered appropriate to it's importance to the piece, as opposed to other areas which range from being looser to more refined - he does the exact same thing with the figures.

With that in mind, here's something small from the same piece. All I did was blur out the high lit portions. Take from that what you will. For comparison, look at the full piece from what you posted, and the stock photo here. Look at the photo, squint your eyes heavily, then lightly, then not at all, and then look at the Mullins bit. Don't squint at the Mullins bit. Connect the dots.

Best of luck!

>>2596972
Damn, I was really hoping there was some simple trick I was missing. Ah well, practice practice practice.

>>2597002
oh shit

>>2597002
So what you're saying is, use a textured brush for low-contrast areas to imply more details than is actually there and then add a few high-contrast actual details to draw the eye?
I'm sorry, it's two AM over here and I'm not too smart to begin with.

>>2597021

That's the start of it, but it's still surface. That's the "how", now figure out the "why". The "how" will let you do it just as he did without regard to suitability or appropriateness, the "why" will let you understand why he did it that way so that you can approach it however you want, with whatever you want.

The "how" and the "why" together would be this; you look at a reference shot and by squinting discern the effect of certain foliage. To imply this effect, you start with a texture brush proper to that foliage to lend some noise which feels like crossing ferns, or tangled dried branches, or leaves upon the ground.

Then, you think about how important this section is in the piece - will it fall under viewer scrutiny, or be in their periphery? If it's the section I posted, when compared to the full piece, it's actually somewhat negligible - so why would we add highlights to draw the eye? If that area falls under any extra scrutiny it'd probably fall apart, so it probably would not be to draw the eye. Instead, we would be adding just enough information with the little highlit portions and leave it at that.

Most importantly, if you're tired and you know you're tired, then rest. Don't be rough on yourself. Hard work ethic means nothing if it'd take you 4 hours to learn something tired as opposed to an hour well rested. Look at this again tomorrow with fresh eyes. For when that time comes, here's another painting with the exact same principles, done in a completely different manner. In this, a section of foliage is the actual focal point, so take that into account as well.

Should I hold my pen at a 90 Degree at all times?
It kinda hurts my bicep muscles

>>2593953
Shouldn't levels 4,5 and 6 be in reverse.

>>2597079
do what's comfortable, the 90 degree thing is just for getting optimal ink flow i'm pretty sure, but as long as it's flowing alright you're fine

finished my first painting, how is it?

>>2597141

How bad is it? I tried copying the style of Lemonfont.

>>2597189
>I tried copying the style of Lemonfont.
Why? That guy is legit terrible.

>>2597194
It looks good enough to be presentable, but bad enough that even I can do it.

>draw mostly with a tablet
>decide i need to get back into drawing traditionally

>mfw

Someone please end my suffering.

>>2594242
>>2594243
realism first, then style mate

>>2597189
do a little more anatomy study, you're close but you're not quite there yet
the thing that bugs me is the hands, on top of them needing a little better shape, the hand on her right looks like it's twisted inproperly in relation to the position of her arm
Other than that I actually find it cute, good work anon

>>2596973
mildly popular instagram artist tier

>>2594242
dis >>2597226

>>2597255
meme image but it gets the point across

>>2597255
>>2597226
This idea pisses me off so much, but Im accepting it

>>2595873
the intense detail makes this piece interesting. remove the purple and blue, it doesn't help the painting, only cripples it. Use more warm brown tones instead of straight gray, it'll make the piece look cohesive. It's going in a good direction, even for surrealism.

>>2596764
is this a joke

poses fluid?

critique/redline my anatomy please. im really committing to drawing figure from imagination. im not a girl desu

1/2

>>2597352
2/2

>>2597263
Not those other anons, but this does NOT mean you can't try to develop your style in tandem anon. It does mean though that you should always, always, always be striving to create realism first. Study it, learn it, get it down. Do that before devoting the majority of your time to style. Again, this doesn't mean you can't have fun on the side.

This gets a lost a lot sometimes I think, especially for beginners-

Studying is important! BUT So is having fun! Do BOTH.

But remember it is studying that will allow you get better, which means you have more skills to apply when you are having fun, and so the wonderful feedback loop continues and you will someday make it.

>>2596688
Back, posting examples of my "finished heads" as requested. Still working on getting construction down.

>>2597356

>>2597352
>>2597353
Do you really want to bite the pillow or go back to re-read the sticky?

>>2597394
I'll take the pillow.

>>2597352
>>2597353
reminds me of the product of people that go to shitty art schools for four years

>>2597412
its not finished. im trying to practice rendering from imagination as well but im not that far along so i want to get the anatomy critiqued first.

>>2597414
kek yeah i'm just messing, but seriously how long have you been doing anatomy studies before you started drawing figures from imagination?

If you do a life drawing, do you still need to follow Loomis, or is it only needed when drawing from imagination?

>>2597417
its hard to say, im just a hobbyist so i just do whatever i feel like. i do 5-10 figures from reference a week and ive been doing it for months but i admit i dont really 'study' just copy the contours. ive read hogarth dynamic anatomy and ive read through a bunch of vilppus drawing manual.

>>2597420
Deliberate practice is quite literally the """"""fastest"""""" way to get better. You need to constantly question and analyze what you're drawing and why instead of mindlessly copying- yes it can be taxing on the mind and somewhat frustrating but that's what's needed to git gud. Then again if you're a hobbyist and do 5-10 figures a week, I guess you get out of it what you put in.

>>2597419
From imagination. Referenced work uses totally different approach. read bert dodson keys to drawing ( https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByOCUNj5Lm4eM3NwbmtoSXlWMUk/view?usp=sharing ) or drawing from the right side of the brain ( archive.org/details/pdfy-5dQt81v7NYVZl2La ).

>>2597424
so what's the on those two i did above. I used a few references (i can post) for the sitting pose and I really can find anything majorly wrong with it.

I mean i 'know' a lot of about anatomy like head sizes, proportions, etc but every time I attempt to draw from imagination it just doesn't click. also I've been doing my figure copies for a while, I have at least 20 canvases with 7 figures in them each and that's not counting all the other figure work I've done (probably about another 50 figures)

>>2597207
Seems pretty backwards to me, man. The point of copying another artist is to try to learn from them, not just see if you're good enough to draw like them. If you're copying a bad artist you're just going to learn all of their bad habits.

>>2597352
>>2597353
>>2597411
ok then.
The rendering and shading is fucking awful.
Read a rendering book. Also, check this, for your skin: questforpretty.blogspot.mx/2009/12/wrinkles-crinkles-fault-lines-and.html

>>2597450
sigh I meant anatomy i know the rendering is shit, I just started. will check that out though thanks

>>2597450
nice link

>>2597480
>>2597480
>>2597480

NEW THREAD

>>2597480
>>2597480
>>2597480

>>2597255
chin anatomy

>>2597968
Who-ever did this probably enlarged the skull after the fact.

They hadn't even finished their hands at the time this picture was taken.

I actually made a hole in this for the face
Welp
I'mma kill myself, but in the meantime what'd you all think of this mess?