/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2587956
im saving this op.

I can't draw when other people are around: I'm shit! I understand the learning process, but others won't. Not even around my family! I just freeze up when someone's around. Really sucks because we don't have a big place.

Anyone else an insecure piece of shit?

>>2587956

Sauce on ref?
We should all study this

Can anyone help me understand values and painting?

Posting here
R8 m8
Copies from a pic on pinterest

>>2587977
They say that you get used to it.

>>2587986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5zVFlMQZEs

>>2587964
Ill paint this later. Maybe.

>>2587956
>that OP
too cruel, too cruel

>>2587989
>>2587998
God damn it annons. Good work but resize your shit. I clicked on that image and it spanned across my screens and it made my so furious I almost spit out my beer.

>>2588005
reminds me of the dad in dont hug me im scared

>>2588014
Do you actually know of a good resizing method?
Is there one in photoshop export?

Tried to map out the value edges of that lucian freud painting

>>2587989
>R8
Nope, resize. I'm not gonna scroll through your huge image to see what's wrong with it.

But screw it I'll give you crit anyway (from the thumbnail) it doesn't read well, can't tell where the arm is, don't understand why the other leg is missing, and why did you take your picture with such awful lighting?

>>2588018
ctrl+alt+i in photoshop. resize your canvas to something reasonable and save a copy for posting purposes. 1K max on a side is more than enough for almost the entirety of posters in this thread

>>2588066
She is rising a wolf that i didn't drawed, tht is why she is missing a leg
To see the arm you would have to open the image
I'm a lazy fatass that took that pic with his cellphone and i don't have an image editing app here

Hope that answers your qstions, anon!

>>2588074
2 Simple solutions for your laziness anon to easily resize without needing image editing app

#1)
>screenshot the image
>post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

Your phone should be able to do at least one of these.

>>2588078
I added more contrast to make it look better, but now it look dirty

>>2588086
OK, thanks anon. Here's crit for you: in your drawing you can see her spine going up from her pelvis, the lumbar and thoracic vertabrae, yet her arm and shoulders are massively torqued in the opposite direction. You are also showing her book on the opposite side. Frankly you can't have such a pose. Try taking another piece of paper, put it over your drawing, and trace out her pelvis ribcage abd spine. I'm on my phone otherwise I'd do it for you, or perhaps some other helpful anon will do it.

>>2588091
>boob
Not book

What do you guys think of Harding's Lessons on Drawing? Seems to me like a bunch of really, really boring and monotonous shit on how to draw geometric shapes. But, what do I know?

Anyone ever went through it?

Am I just retarded?

>>2588116
>fuck massive image
yes, we don't need an image that is larger than most people's monitors

>>2587956
>tfw I can even see how they came with that result
if I fuck up too much I might just draw shit like that too D:

>>2588118
woops, didn't pay attention to the resolution

>>2588116
This is actually really cute, just your whole post. I want to take you under my wing and teach you the ways, I think at your level I could actually teach you well.

>>2588116
No anon, no. There's only a simple answer, and that's practice drawing basic shapes first.

Your strokes need to be more confident. Drawing a lot of boxes and ellipses will help that a lot. Also, you can tell probably that you are not used to holding a pencil for drawing purposes.

>>2588138
I've got a bad feel about this scoob
>>2588140
Thanks, will do.

>>2588032
>>2587998
I need my ego stroked on these, ASAP

>>2588150
i think they look great you have interesting linework. paint away anon

>>2587998
plz actually put down some value, you may think the "nothing but the core shadow" looks cool but it just looks like he's smeared with dirt

also certain parts aren't even real plotted shadows, just blotches on spots that are next to lighter areas (e.g. his cheek). for values to look good they need to be consistent. super super important.

basically this is some 'muh style' shit that normies would fuckin love but it's really just lack of form/value/construction skill

Trying to do a study of a baby seal. What in God's name is wrong with the placement of facial features

I think I'm liking this painting so far

>>2588178
after doing this i have still have no fucking idea. i think you the perspective off though

>>2588167
i agree with the consistency. im honestly trying really hard to get it all down, but my eyes not developed all the way and i have some kind of learning disability or someshit when it comes to memorizing value ranges.

its NOT a style, thats all im trying to say.

>>2588184
Did you design that creature in your painting? I like it too.

is this book good for a beginner? Or do I need mandatory Loomis.

>>2588195
Another thing to keep in mind anon. Lucians edges in that portrait were created by huge amounts of impasto, just something to keep in mind. It looks that way in great part because it was painted a specific way using a physical medium.

>>2588204
stop worrying about finding the best approach and just draw

>>2588208
t h i s @ all of /ic/

>>2588205
That's really useful knowledge. How'd you come across that? Did you study his stuff too?

>>2587967

I mixed a llama and chloe for this piece JUST

>>2587966

playing around with mischief, it's got some pretty cool brushes

>>2587302
keep perspective always in mind

master study wip.

>>2587957
You got me.

>>2588276
Post original famalam

>>2587986
Perhaps this will help.

>>2588276
jug looks asymmetrical and the arm resting on it doesn't look attached to the body

post original

>>2588251
You need to move your camera so that it's directly above the center of the paper before you take the shot.

Alright watched Jazza's breast videos and I think I am getting the hang of it. Just spend two hours drawing boobs on his practice sheets. I think I have the most trouble the bigger the breasts get. Also I can't seem to get nipples right. Any insight?

>>2588116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

I wanna do lips studies but I have no decent lips tutorials that aren't stylized
Anyone wanna share theirs?

>>2588312
The nipples look fine to me anon. That video is pretty hilarious though.

>>2588312
Stop following Jazza, He's Prime-cut Grade-A Mediocrity at its best.

Do you really want to learn to draw boobs from the guy who thinks this is what they look like?

Posted it on the older thread, r8 pls

>>2588312

This is all kinds of terrible, you're not going to learn anything from this

You need to do studies from models, photos, or anatomically correct drawings from figure construction and anatomical art reference. All you're doing here is guessing and tacking flat symbols to a torso without actually understanding it.

Get a photograph of a chicks tits and draw them accurately. Use value and line to convey form. That's how you learn to draw tits. If you can't draw accurately and you can't portray form you have more immediate concerns than drawing breasts.

>>2588321

>>2588321

There's symbol drawing and general inaccuracy

Work on copying simple things accurately, as they appear. If you can't copy the shapes and forms of something exactly as you see it, you can't study it. Do something easier than a figure.

Any advice would be appreciated thanks :)

>>2588321
another one i did before

>>2588329
i try to tweak or change things like the bodytype, I thought it could make me understand the body more efficiently

>>2588338
The bellybutton is level with the hips.

>>2587956

PERFECT

And this is what happens when I don't do a study for two months and half ass everything. I just cant be assed to put any effort into something I don't want to draw.

>>2588116
Hahahahaha no, just keep working at it nigga.

>>2588375
Then draw something you do want to draw. Idiot.

>>2588375
read the sticky

>>2588375
I think you are making excuses.

>>2588375
please god read keys to drawing

also there's so many dynamic things going on with that picture that makes it so hard to do a study of properly

>i didnt want to do this study so that's why it's shit

Is using guide lines a crutch? Like the ones you'd see in how to draw books?

R8?

>>2588375
not gonna make it

>>2588386
You mean tracing? Then yes. If you mean construction then no.

what have I done, brothers?

>>2588410
i noticed as I was scrolling by

>>2587956

>But which one is the reference?

>>2588415
whoops, it seems I have done a draw of the symbol

>>2588291
>>2588299

i'm pretty dumb sometimes

>>2588306
yea sorry, I need to work on my camera setup and lighting.

>>2588329
Unrelated to the image but how do you tell whats symbol drawing? Sounds like a catch all term

>>2588471
I would also like to know this since I see it thrown around so much.

>>2588491
>>2588471
It's a meme. Don't fall for it
Just keep practicing keep improving

>>2588150
Don't be a jerk anon.

>>2588504
:)

drew myself in the mirror, any tips?

>>2587956
I want to get into drawing coo/weird alien things. I dont have to have one of those super amazing renders methods, I just want to draw cool things and have fun. How/Where do I start?

>>2588520
read the sticky

>>2588336
practice drawing faces without symbol drawing

Is this composition good enough to start rendering?

>>2588663
Try flipping the picture so the men go from the right onto the bridge instead of from the left.

>>2588448
well looking at the original it seems your jug is fine, but the arm is still a problem

the shoulder is way too low -- it should be almost in line with the lip of the jug. the forearm is horizontal and it meets with the upper arm behind the neck of the jug. this is why people emphasize drawing through the form.

that's what immediately jumped out at me as looking wrong.

>>2588682
>>2588276

Here's new anatomy practice. Thoughts?

>>2588465
>Eyes too far apart
>Don't be afraid to use grey and black on hair
>Nose needs another line, it looks like nostril is connected to the front
I like the lips thought

More anatomy practice

Tell me the happenings inside your brain when you look at my drawing, please.

>>2588676
There, looks good now?
I kinda feel like all the spiky rocks pointing right needs a counterbalance, but I don't know.

>>2587956
This OP had me laughing for a whole 2 minutes

>>2588471
>>2588491

Symbol drawing is when you don't draw something as it actually appears, and instead draw an inaccurate 'symbol' to represent it

It's like when kids draw hearts as an upside-down peach, or eyes as sideways ovals. Those things don't look like that, but in your head you say 'good enough'. When you do a study, you have to copy the shapes and forms exactly. You can't cut corners and guess, you can't draw something that doesn't look like the real picture.

It's difficult when you're just beginning, but if you read the sticky and work through the beginners books in there, you will learn how to measure things by eye properly.

It happens the most with faces because of the way we process them. We don't see the structures and forms intuitively, it has to be learned. This is why beginners should be doing studies of simple forms and objects, with more easily observable shapes, instead of complex humans. This helps you to look for line, distance, angle, negative shape, teaching you the proper comparative measurement skills.

>>2588493

Don't listen to this idiot

Weeb here. I'm going for a loose and energetic freefall kind of pose but I'm really struggling with how to position her legs.

>>2588769
Character is Luluco from Space Patrol Luluco.

>>2588157
feet are shit, but your getting there. You'll not be able to call yourself a beginner anymore soon.

>>2588721
a doodle you spent too much time on

draw draw draw draw

>>2588769
You're bending the legs forward too much. It's OK to exaggerate the gesture, but you're not doing it anywhere else. By comparison the torso looks stiff and the arms are too straight, whereas the poses in your reference are built with mostly C and S curves.
Go look at a bunch of pictures of people falling and jumping or whatever, draw on top of them if you have to and try to simplify the gesture using only curves.

5 mins spent on each one, first time properly trying to study anatomy

>>2588199
Thanks, yeah I designed the creature.

>>2588796
If an exaggerated gesture kind of drawing is what I'm going for, how would I exaggerate the arms and torso?

>>2588769

Stay away from anime until you've learned how to draw. You can't stylize reality unless you can understand reality.

Read the sticky, practice drawing simple objects and shapes cleanly and accurately and work on training your eye and your mechanical dexterity. Practice your lines and ellipses, always draw clean and slow. Work through Keys to drawing and do the upside down Stravinsky exercise. Draw objects in front of you, get vases and fruits and shit, very important practice that every shitter skips.This is the stage where you learn how to apply value to create form, and about basic perspective.

Once you can copy an image reasonably accurately move on to figure instruction from Loomis, Hampton, Bridgman, Hogarth, and Vilppu. Do Jeff Watt's online stuff if you have money to burn. Learn proportion by applying the various mannequins to photo reference and memorizing landmarks. You'll also want to do many, many Loomis head lay-ins, asaro heads, skull studies, and cast studies of facial features. Jeff Watt's facial abstraction too.

Once you've got a handle on that you can dip your toes into more in depth-anatomical study and gesture drawing. Once you grasp the real human form you can begin to play with altered proportions and stylized anatomy.

That's how you draw Luluco

>>2588798

This is not how you study anatomy

>>2588798

It's a good start.

>>2587956
that looks like van gogh without beard

>>2588507

Eyes are well constructed so good job on that. Ear looks like ass though, mostly symbol

>>2588663

I didn't even notice the men on the close bottom left until I read the first reply. My eyes were drawn to that ugly castle island (it is ugly) and didnt mover at all. Too much constraint there and not enough on the important parts. And again, the castle is ugly af

>>2588798

LOL

>>2588831
You know, I recognize I'm a shitter artist but I don't think someone spent years at art school to draw this crap.

>>2588856

Sorry *contrast instead of constraint

>>2588798

How do you study anatomy by copying 5 minute figures blindly before you understand the static form? Seems like a waste if time

>>2588791

A polished turd. Face is sloppy as hell and you disguise that by using a fancy overlay texture on the final product.

It does work, had me fooled until I looked right, but it's dishonest if you're trying to actually learn and not sell something

How do i know where to put the horizon lines, the vanishing points ?
I get how 2 or 3 point perspective works, but how do I avoid having something like pic rel ?

Everything is distorted, because I placed the points randomly. How do I know where to place them ?

>>2588876
Sketch first, plot the perspective later. It should be a tool to help you draw more accurately, not a grid that you must follow before even starting the drawing itself.

>>2588858
Those little cartoons simple and easy to draw, but they are made by artists who have been drawing long before you were born. They understand more fundamentals then you do and are capable of manipulating them into those whacky anime girls you know and love into appealing shapes and forms.

>>2588876
Don't listen to this guy >>2588882 he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Grab a book on perspective and read it. That's how you solve your problem.

>>2588157
Nice study, but you're missing the vibrancy of the reflected light in the shadows. That's what gives the image its glowing effect.

>>2588905
that's not an advice

reading a book won't solve problems just like that

>>2587958
i don't know what i'm doing

>>2588731
I did a quick paint over, here are some things to think about.

The scale of that formation is'nt really clear, try to read more on perspective. I fixed up the composition by using the Rule of thirds, google the term and look up videos on it.

I like that you separated the values well but you should push your range of values.

Good luck on your future drawings.

>>2588876
Probably can't help you much but this is what I'm doing to solve the problem you have-

Draw something, then figure out where the vanishing points for that thing are. Make sure everything else you draw after that initial thing matches those vanishing points.

You say you understand 2 and 3 point perspective, so this shouldn't be too hard. You an just arbitrarily decide where the horizon and vanishing points go based on the first item you draw. If it's too hard to do something complex just put a box as the first item in your scene, determine the horizon line and vanishing points on the box, and have all further items conform to those reference points. If you are working digitally it's easy enough to remove that box and the perspective lines and everything on a separate layer.

>>2588858

Many manga artists are very good artists in general, it's just hidden behind deceptively simple designs. The more you learn, the more you start to see little intricacies in manga, things about facial structure you wouldn't have noticed, anatomical details that are just barely indicated but make a huge difference, proper application of perspective, foreshortening and value, etc. If it really were as easy as you're assuming it is, Deviantart wouldn't be full of horrifying jank and people who just try to draw 'anime' for years and years without ever learning anything or getting better.

You don't have to go to art school to learn the things I talked about in that post, it's all easily accessible online and in books, you just have to put the time in to learning and understanding it.

>>2588936

Not the person who made the original, but you really fixed 90% of what was wrong with the composition with your edit. Nice

>>2588858
They did.

>>2587960
i guess this is a gesture? i don't really know how to progress from this point

so you copy first then invent your own stuff right

this is how studying is be?

>>2589054
Define the shapes and begin to use form and construction coupled with whatever knowledge of anatomy you may have to add onto your base.

>>2589054

Read 'Force' by Michael Mattesi, the section on gesture at the start of Hampton's figure invention book, and the section on gesture in Vilppu's book.

>>2588923
worked on the value a bit

>>2589070
>>2589090
thanks anons

>>2588276
>>2588448
i fucking love brangwyn dude, nice

>>2588689
thanks for the redline anon! And they say /ic/'s fulll of shit.

>>2589184
those are blue lines

>>2587958

Trying to get better with proportion and blocking things in quicker.

I'm trying to work on shading and lighting stuff. Any tips/critiques?

>>2589215
>5312x2988

wew

>>2589215
>2.38 MB, 5312x2988
for what purpose

>>2589227
>not opening in new tab

>>2589215
Why are you signing your studies

>>2589230
Took it with my phone, not sure the settings.
>>2589239
Mostly for dating.

alright, so i tried to do a realistic "study" but i wanted to make the portrait look like a character of mine. (who has different hair color and slightly different features) now i don't know if that's a good idea, and i don't even know if this counts as a "study" since it's not an attempt at making the facial features look exactly the same.
this is my first attempt at realism ever, and i'd really like some sort of critique. for the record, in the future, i'm not planning on changing the features to look like someone else for my studies. i'm going to go for full accuracy. this is just an experiment but i think it gets the idea across okay.
what are some things that i should focus on?

>>2587956

>>2589215

Spend longer on the next one, this is a mess. Avoid any inclination towards making shitty squiggles and scratchy marks. Apply an even tone and keep your edges clean. Be more careful measuring your lay-in, the right side of your face is skewed, your mouth is too low, etc. Spots on the chin and jaw are too dark. Ears are lazy. Nose isn't structured properly. Eye sockets shouldn't be black pits. Do you have a reference?

>>2589252

>tried a realistic study but

No, just do the work, it really isn't hard

>>2589258
what do you even mean by that. i did the work, right? i completed something and i'm wanting to see if there's any specific areas to improve. elaborate please.

>>2587958
well fuck me

I suck. I've "failed" the DrawABox lessons 1-3. I try to move on, but I keep having to revisit drawing basic shapes, form, perspective, and whatnot. It all still sucks.

I think I've just moved past symbol drawing using Betty's Right Side of the Brain. I'm sooooooo bored and still so bad. Do I keep repeating Lesson 1 from DrawABox forever? Which book should I be using now?

>>2589305
What do you mean, "failed"?
Are you having trouble with drawing straight lines, or with visualizing 3d forms? I had a lot of trouble with visualizing construction but if you keep trying you'll eventually get better at it.

Are you trying to rush through? Don't. Play around with each lesson until you get comfortable with it. Keep experimenting and try different approaches, don't worry about getting a "perfect" page down.

I know it sucks, but it gets way more fun after you really make it through lesson 1 and 2.

>>2588264
more shit. tried drawing a version of that creepy baby headed spider thing from toy story that used to be in my nightmares as a kid

paper plane yeaaa !

>>2589305
DrawABox stinks.

>>2589327
moar paper plane

>>2589327
>>2589329

Another master study (Leyendecker)

>>2589337
Original piece

>>2589337
>>2589340
was gonna ask about the original, never saw this piece before, i'm a huge fan of hiw work, you should work more on hard edges and 100% opacity, yours is out of proportion and too messy, but you've got the feel right

>>2589305
>I try to move on, but I keep having to revisit drawing basic shapes, form, perspective, and whatnot. It all still sucks.

Yes, this is normal and you will be in this state for a long time, it also is going to happen every time you try to learn something new, better get used to that feeling.

>>2589320
I can get straight lines. I can visualize 3d forms. Then I draw flat shapes. I have trouble conveying that I understand the subject.

>>2589328
Why?

>>2589342
Ughhhhh. What do I do? Keep doing it until I get better at this one thing? I haven't produced anything original because I'm too suck.

>>2587961

I think I nailed the face but everything else looks wrong. I think I choose a perspective that I'm not skilled enough for yet...

>>2587964
quick sketch with almost no safety net.

>>2589373
>Nailed the face
No you didn't. It doesn't even look like that "face" belongs to that head. And that head doesn't belong to that body. And that body shouldn't exist.

>scratchy lines
>attempt at anatomy.

I'm seeing a huge disconnect.

>>2588507
Not bad. Ear needs work. Keep it up, you're doing great.

>>2589347
If you can REALLY visualize 3d forms, you shouldn't be drawing flat shapes. But don't get me wrong, it's really hard, so you won't be able to get it right away. He also doesn't really do a great job explaining contour lines.

Here's a little demo I found:
http://creativeformsketching.blogspot.com/2015/02/here-are-few-sheets-outlining-process.html

Try just sketching different organic forms with contours, just play around. Then keep trying the intersection exercises since that's where you really work on 3d visualization.

You can also just try drawing leaves (exercise 3) and experiment with having them fold and droop around in different ways. It made my head hurt and was slow going, but I think it helped.

>>2588923
Suggestion: Cleaning up your lines may help - quick and simple gesture lines can help you loosen up a bit. Try doing that as a warm up, then start measuring to fix any errors. This can help overcome blank canvas anxiety too. Otherwise, do what >>2589090 suggested.

>>2589305
Hang in there. I struggled with that too. Two books helped me: Drawing Atelier by Jon deMartin and Fundamentals of Drawing by Vladimir Mogilevtsev. The latter helped a lot. The Russians really hammer in the planes, which helped me understand 3d form better.

>>2589379
Alright, I'm doing another attempt, and I've been trying to kick the horrible scratchy line habit that I have for some time now.

R8 my goku sketch
> drew this while bored

>>2589347
>Why?

It's a version of VisCom 1 written by a guy who took the course twice and decided he knew enough to teach it. The guy is not a qualified educator, nor is he a particularly impressive artist.

The worst thing about it is that it discourages beginners from actual drawing until they've spent hours filling pages with straight lines, boxes, and cylinders. That leads people to the conclusion that you've reached -- that they've failed and they can't move on until they master the tedious aspects of drawing. A great way to discourage people from drawing.

Besides being free and nicely presented it really doesn't have much going for it. If you want the material just get the Dynamic Sketching/VisCom lectures.

>>2588940
So basing the drawing on one element?
Let's say I draw a tower, without perspective or anything, after that I do the whole grid thing, correct and fix the tower of needed, and keep drawing while using the tower as main element of the perspective?

>>2589341
To be honest I feel like those proportions already give personality. I wouldn't call it a mistake unless he was going for technical practice

Decided to actually attempt to start a book for beginners. I'm at the eye part but didn't have a mirror for I drew asian eyes instead. Hair and eyebrows was something I added for the hell of it.

>>2588876
plot the perspective for a few hundred photos and you'll get it right away
Also don't listen to the guy telling you to do perspective later, it's easier to decide on your perspective first and construct everything from it.

>>2589495
>Decided to actually attempt to start a book for beginners

>Is a beginner.

Dude, don't spread misinformation. What I see so far isn't that good, and your approach is very unfriendly for beginner people. Please, just spend some more months or years before you approach a "teacher" level, which you absolutely are not on.

>>2589537
What? I know I'm a beginner hence why I said I was actually gonna attempt to read said book. What don't you understand?

>>2589540
Ah - Sorry mate, it's just that you wrote it in a weird way. Thought you were gonna make a book for beginners.

Just pick better photos that have better values to work on.

>>2588731
senpai everything in this image points my eye out of it and to the close button on my browser window
Also you have a ton of values leftover, use it to push the castle further back in the distance, also redo your perspective
Actually you should just draw it again

>>2589540
i think what this anon meant to say is you shouldn't focus on details like eyes so much to start with. there are more basic stuff you need to get under your belt first. like, yknow, anatomy and stuff

Literally an absolute beginner here.. yes I know the right side was done completely wrong..
>I read the sticky

>>2589555
>forgot picture

>>2589397
Pls rate

>>2589544
Working with colors was something I used to be good at. About 8 years ago I was really into making those Graphic Signatures on forums.

>>2589558
Values > colors. And your values are off. Fix your values, then work with your colors ( or do both, but focus on values more than colors).

>>2589555
>>2589556

You are doing what's called chicken scratching. You draw using short little strokes. I prescribe you drawabox™ for better line confidence. It also dwelves into basic perspective and construction which will be essential in your further journey as an artist since everything can be simplified to boxes, cylinders and spheres. Being able to draw them correctly in perspective and knowing how they interact with each other is quite fundamental.

You can keep doing Betty Edwards, but do drawabox on the side

>>2589568
Thanks, I appreciate the actual advice and not just slating my terrible attempt at drawing. I used to doodle in class but never anything serious. I'll try to kick the chicken scratching and make my lines more defined

>>2588936
Wow this is amazingly helpful. I'm pretty new to composition so my head had come to a complete stop in what to do with it further. This will really stick with me, thanks man.
>>2589545
>>2588856
Thanks, I can kinda see that something isn't right. Must be hones tho and say that my untrained eyes can't figure out exactly whats wrong with the perspective, I'll try to find out with some perspective lines and a grid when I redraw. I'll also practice more with values.

Wait those 30 second scribbles everyone is doing is actually an important part of figure drawing? That shits crazy.

>>2589374
Construction isn't a safety net, it is a necessary part of the process.

>>2589612
>implies no erasing
>anon implies something that'll win him internet points with the community

yea, construction is cool yo, but I wanted to see how my line control would be and how well I could reproduce an image while contour drawing. I also drew >>2588464 but didn't get any feedback so I thought I'd draw a little looser to see if anyone was gonna have a critique my fundamentals (the other did take quite a while, and time can compensate for skills a bit).

Oh well, guess no news is good news.

I'm trying to draw medusa in the American traditional style. What should I fix before inking?

>>2589642
Fuck my entire life. I always have problems with the god damn orientation

>>2589590
composition is really simple, just point the shapes to what you want the viewer to see. You control all the shapes so it's just a matter of consciously doing it
as for perspective, even pros always draw out rough perspective lines for environments, you can't just freestyle this crap

>>2589638
Don't skip the fundies please

>>2588689
Well if the jug's body is supposed to be spherical and the neck comes out radially, as it looks like in the original, yours is kinda fucked up: it looks skewed. You have to understand that in the original the jug is tipped towards the spectator and to the left; not pointing straight up.

So is going for mechanical skill first and only proceeding to obesrvation and construction once I got that down a viable approach or do most people DO EVERYTHING at once?

>>2589651
Yeah I've watched a ton of tutorials and studied movie stills, it just haven't sunk in properly yet. Being reminded of what I've learned in relation to my own work is very helpful to permanently memorize it and build it into my subconscious rather than just watching others.

>>2589668
If you learn construction and observation before you start fiddling with the technical you will develop your artistic skills at the same time as you develop your understanding of the tools. You will also end up trying to find shortcuts around every challenge, which is a very good way to dig yourself into a hole.

>>2589638
>Implying i gave you advice to get internet points

Anyway if you say "crit me" when you post your image it's more likely someone will reply.

1st-Reference photo, taken from study thread.
2nd-Scan of my drawing
3rd-A little more contrast, so you will see lines more clearly.
Wouldn't it be good idea for begginers(like me) to modify front face view references foto, by coping one side of photo to the other side, so face will be symmetrical. With symmetrical face, begginers will learn how to make exact same lines and objects.

>>2589701
No, what you need to do is draw a couple million boxes.

>>2589701
oh dear

>>2589577

You're going to have trouble doing nice lines, but it's important that you force yourself to try to do it anyways, it's the only way to learn. Draw from your shoulder, don't try to do everything with your wrist.

Try to find some blank paper if you can, you really don't want to be practicing on lined paper.

If you're not working through Keys to Drawing already, I highly recommend that as a beginner's book.

>>2589701

No, because that's not what you're supposed to be learning, and you would get nothing out of that but dexterity, which is better gotten through exercises meant for it.

In all honesty, you should be working on something better suited to a beginner, why these beginner threads are full of nothing but figures and portraits is a fucking mystery. Do a still life drawing, work through Keys to Drawing and Right Side of the Brain, slow down and just try to focus on directly and accurately copying the shapes you see.

Try drawing an apple, or a tissue box or something. Don't be lazy about it either, take your time and get the shapes down exactly as they are.

>>2589607

To be fair, if you're doing them right they shouldn't just look like scribbles

what does it mean when you never get a reply to anything you post on the beginner thread?

>>2589720
either you're too good for the beginner thread, or you're too shit for the beginner thread

>>2589714
Thanks for detailed answer.
It is more pleasure to draw portraits and figures of people, and maybe that is why those are so common in beginner threads.

>>2589495

Alright, I don't know what the other reply is about but whatever

Using a photo isn't really the best, because the book is trying to get you to learn how to draw things you're looking at without drawing symbols, and that's more difficult with photos because they're flat. Use them if you need to, but keep that in mind. It also just so happens that the eyes in the picture you painted are inaccurate symbols. Draw the shapes of things exactly, EXACTLY as you see them. Really slow down and look, measure, look for negative shapes, look at angles, drop plumb lines, really focus on getting the real shapes of what you're drawing layed in.

Just stick to line. Stay away from paint and colour until your drawing is up to speed. You're adding huge layers of complexity you don't want to deal with yet.

>>2589720

I usually won't reply to something if it's obvious the person can figure it out on their own and they aren't pushing themselves to do it, or they're too vague about what they're working on and they post a picture that isn't a study that can be critiqued.

If you just doodle shit, or invent things for fun and post them without any real directed learning goal (ex. practicing lay-ins from photo reference, figure mannequin studies, still life practice), no one is going to really be able to help you, because you aren't learning anything.

But yeah, generally if the drawing is just really, really awful even for a beginner and it's obvious that the person didn't even try to do an exercise or read the sticky. They're just lazy and they want their hand held, there's no point.

How exactly do you "wrap around" the form of the eye around the eyeball?

I feel like the right arm is maybe too short?
The rest seems fine to me, but I would like to know if there is something wrong

>>2589802
get a ball, draw on it

is it normal that you get exhausted from drawing very fast if you are new to it? does your stamina get better with time?

Hi! i'm new here. Suggestions?

>>2589851
that's better.
now you should also read the sticky. there's a ton of usefull information for people just starting out. it looks like you have been drawing for a while, but you don't have the fundamentals down. you need them first to really get good at drawing.

>>2589851
flash me

>>2589853
Thank you very much,honey. I'll check

>>2589851
tits or gtfo

>>2589857
>honey
oh dear. stop attention whoring here, pls

>>2589865
Excuse me? I'm just trying to be nice.

>>2589874
not trying to be mean (k, that attnetion whoring comment was mean, sorry bout that), but /ic/ is not about being a girl or not and you calling me "honey" makes it more than abvious you're a girl. and usually, if someone has to make that point without it contributing to the topic it's some form of attentiont whoring. just telling you because it won't get you any good girl points on here.

>>2589874
flash me
put a sharpie in your butt
masturbate while thinking about me
call me your daddy
let me call you mommy
finger my ass while you suck my dick
let me eat the shitnuggets out of your ass

>>2589881
Don't worry.Got it, i'm sorry for it. Good Afternoon.

>>2589881
tips fedora*

>>2589556
hey anon, i just started with the basics too. i'm doing that flipped picasso atm. are you interested in going trough the next steps (i'm going to read "keys of drawing" next and do the exercises) together?

>>2589889
i-ill go trough them with you
maybe you could do some private skype art modeling for me babby?

>>2589893
i'm not >>2589851
but sure, we can do that on skype. (minus the modeling and babby...) how can i find you?

>>2589895
i-i just wanted someone to flash me
i dont care about the whole upside down drawing
i think its a stupid exercise anyway

>>2589896
go to soc or b then... my god, anon. get your shit together.

>>2589893
>>2589896
kill thine self

>>2589898
no
i may not have much self respect but ill never sink that low

>>2589900
flash me

I'm globally happy with the proportions, but there is something with the arms. They don't feel right

>>2589901
Point is you already have thats why people are bringing it up idiot

Something very wrong with this...

>>2588014
Open in a new tab m8, it's a pain in the ass to resize images when you have to take a pic of your sketchbook w your phone. 4chan does the work for you when you open in a new tab

>>2587989
She either has 4 tits or her two are pushed way to the right side of her rib cage

>>2588032
Volgin?

> read the sticky resize sticky sticky loomis resize give up kek sticky fun with a pencil resize

It's the beginner thread, of course the art is going to look like its from beginners. If you aren't going to be helpful just don't post.

>>2589956
Just keep practicing, you're on the right track. Maybe work of the same reference a few more times, eventually your eye for detail will start steadily improving.

>>2589998
No it's not, it's very simple
Read this
>>2588078

>>2590012
If you aren't going to make even an attempt to read directions you don't deserve help.

>>2588936
>>2588731
>>2589590
>>2588856
Listened to what you said and redid the scene a few times, trying to improve perspective, values and adding some guiding lines. Think I have to redraw the soldiers in the foreground and refine more values, but does the perspective and general values look alright now?

>>2589889
Not that anin, but pls post the keys of drawing

>>2590044
See
>>2565542

any advices, critique ?
spent a week studying woman anatomy and I began perspective, but perspective is pretty boring

How do I get to drawing boxes using perspective to drawing boxes without needing a bunch of perspective guidelines?

I'm sort of OCD or whatever and I can't stand drawing a box or anything without knowing where the horizon line is exactly placed.
I don't feel comfortable using orthographic or/and just using parallel lines, I need the whole perspective grid with me.

>>2589536
how do i do that ?

>>2589537
I think you are being harsh and misunderstood what he meant. He was just making a guide to teach people how to be a beginner.

>>2590065
If you are that autismal about it, just indulge in your OCD until you are so fast it doesn't matter.

>>2589701
I dont know what every 1 is talking about with drawing boxes and still lifes. I say draw what you want and eventually you will get good at it, or be able to draw bad pictures very quickly. Then you can make your own manga.

>>2590041

I was the guy who said the castle was ugly af. It is now acceptable looking.

>>2590090
Thanks. I'm probably going to add a lot of new shapes, structure and details, but its nice to hear that you like the basic idea of it now.

>>2590020
>>2589956
ya just tell him to keep practicing instead of teling him he needs to alternate bodymass. Don't give crits for another 4 months.

Trying to draw from imagination. Am I lacking in fundamentals?

>>2590138
Now that you more or less got the simple shape in place, next step is studying the muscles to have a solid construction to draw the final lines,

>>2590041
- regarding composition, the dark rocks around the edges form a frame, closing of the scene and makes it claustrophobic, 'boxed in'. Mybe you want that, but in this cases it follows the shape of the island, creating a weird overall shape. In this case it works against the composition.
Just like >>2588731 did, just get rid of it.

also, just like >>2588731, think about the outline of the island. try to create a more interesting shape. no matter if it is going to be spikey jagged or smoother, try to have a balanced variation of big and small shapes.

-regarding values, areas with high contrast draw attention, so try to get that in the areas you want people to look.

-the main landmass, bridge and rock are all equally wide, creating repetition and making your composition duller.

>>2590179
Holy shit dude, thank you for the amazing feedback and redraw, that looks incredible.

I'll start over again so I can put your advice to good use. Going to wait until tomorrow though, I'm completely exhausted from my studies today. I might have to do a quick logo for a friend tomorrow, but I'll spend as many hours as I can and post another attempt around this time or earlier.

Be gentle

>>2590292
>3264x2448

>>2590314
Too big?

>>2590314

>>2590314
Does no one on this board use image hover?

>>2589369
looks cool man, i think i remember you from last few threads. how long have you been studying?

>>2587989
>>2587998
>>2588116
>>2589215
>>2589373
>>2589393
>>2589642
>>2589950
>>2589956
>>2590292
Holy shit can we start banning these people?

>>2590367
>>2590343
Jeez, sorry. I won't post again senpai

>>2590367
>can we start banning these beginners from the beginner thread

>>2590386
I am talking about being to fucking stupid/lazy to resize or turn around your fucking drawing.
If you are that stupid/lazy you will never make it and you deserve to be banned asap

Evening. I'm trying to find the horizon line and vanishing point on an old pic I took. Is this about right? Pardon the sloppy lines.

>>2590420
I'm a noob but shouldnt the horizon line be lower considering you can see the tops of the cars?

>>2590420
The one rule of perspective is that things get smaller as they get farther away. So the vanishing point is basically the point in which the space between your eye level and the ground becomes indistinguishable. You picture is blurry garbage, but from what I can tell it should be lower, where the road disappears into the distance.

>>2590458
No. Take an object and hold it in front of you. When the object is above you and your eyeline is lower, you can see the bottom and vice versa. So seeing the top of the car would indicate that the eyeline is above the car.

>>2590470
Thanks man, that clears up a bit. I'd have tried for a better photo but the sidewalk was busy as fuck

>>2587967
i hope this isn't sideways

Is there a place where I can find some sort of 'newbie FAQ' for drawing?

I mean, I could start a thread or post something, but people will probably complain that there are always threads like that.

I'm 25. When I was a child I drew a lot, and pretty well too, a good management of perspective since I was really young, but during my teenager years I neglected art completely, and never drew again.

Now I just want to start again, but I feel like I suck whenever I start drawing something, and my human anatomy looks all wrong, I just wanna kill myself every time I see one of my drawings.

Is it possible to become even an average artist if you 'start late'?

I figure that must be the most common question around here, but it's worth asking

>>2590032
>beginners don't know how to do things

Who would have fucking thought.

>>2588078
can we post this in the sticky? or the beginner thread sticky at least?

This is useful and a lot of people here apparently don't know how to do this.

>>2590527
this is actually really good bait i think

leaving the "start late" line until the end is the sign of a master ruser

i rate this 7/10 and guaranteed 5-7 (You)s

>>2590545
ye i got it next thread

>>2590547
I swear it's not man, I've just never entered this board before. Is this something I should've read somewhere here?

>>2590367
What's easier, clicking slightly above the image to open a new tab or going through the trouble of resizing an image?

>>2590527
>Is there a place where I can find some sort of 'newbie FAQ' for drawing?

This is bait right?

It's the first post on the board

>>2590527
I'm in thesame situation as you. Only that i'm already 27. I figured i just start. I just want to get into drawing because i know i used to love it as a kid and i like the idea of being able to get to a level where i can imagine something and then actually being able to execute that into a skillfull drawing. I am now really doing the basics. Starting with reading the sticky. If you actually do all the things suggested and put in some effort and practice, i think you can see improvement soon.
I also don't think it's ever too late to learn to draw. Maybe you won't be able to catch up with people that have been drawing all theur life, but who cares? Atleas for me, i don't compare my "skills" to others. I know when i made progress and that's what counts for me.

>>2590553
>>2590527

Its going to take a long time, but you'll be good if you practice a lot. Go through the sticky, start with "Fun With A Pencil" by Andrew Loomis (at least skim it and do some of the head and figure excercises), it'll help you get you started towards a grasp of how you should be seeing things as an artist.

Taking at least one art class, whether in college or otherwise will also help you get an idea of the basics as well. Right side of the brain is also useful.

>>2590551
Thnx, I don't so much care about the fact that the images are sized wrong as I do about how most of the "criticism" being posted this thread is bitching about file sizes.

This is an inked sketch, in the process of being cleaned up.

My question is, which tool or brush is best for adding additional lines?

The brush tool's anti-aliased look doesn't match the look of the rest of it, however the pencil leaves dull edges where i'd like sharp ones, such as the tips of the hair.

I also plan to modify the line weight to better fix proportion and alter some as well.

NEW THREAD

>>2590589
>>2590589
>>2590589

NEW THREAD

>>2589731
I don't get it though, is the issue with a photo being flat is because you can only view it from one angle? How is that different from looking at an object from one angle in person?

>>2590020
Thanks, I will

>>2587964
jaja

>>2589889
I am that anon, not really sure how 2 people that can't draw would help each other

I'd really like to learn to draw using a brush pen. Are the basics still the same? Should follow the sticky? I'm really not interested in the calligraphy side of it, but that's all there seems to be instruction on.

>>2587989
You can't show both her back and her chest, one or the other, You've created some triangle shaped monstrosity.