/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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when i draw a head from reference, do i construct it from scratch like loomis method, or do i just copy shapes?

>>2564251

BOTH

>>2564256
how do i use both though? can you elaborate? i feel like theyre polar opposite methods.

This is from an older thread
I'm not finished but was wondering if it's a good start.

>>2564262
Start with shapes, then add form with construction. Correct your construction by observing the shapes. You should be thinking of both shape and constructions/forms at the same time, and alternate between them

Any /beg/gars have deviantarts that they update regularly? I can follow more like me.

>>2564263
i think it's really good. i like how there's no obvious lines and the shading creates the depth and shape of the face.

>>2564310
For some reason I thought the thumbnail was some dude bowing down

help me fix this

>>2564334
There is no fixing this.

crits?

>>2564349
I see 4 pegs and 3 strings. Why?

I try over and over again to try to draw breasts and they always come out too round or too loopy. Can I just trace breasts from random references until I can do them correctly?

>>2564370
What about tracing will help you to draw them freehand?

Any advice?

Please tell me what I'm doing wrong. I've been on heads for nearly a month and I'm still can't do well from imagination.

Also draw some from reference.

Ay yo bros, I just did some shit.

Advice if you please.

>>2564382
Use higher contrast with different mediums and pressures. Don't spazz out for a fade out.
E Y E
B R O W
F O C U S
P L E A S E
>>2564414
Honestly it's not that bad, it's just that you went all cancer with his hair and then it looks like shit. Hair plays a big part.
>>2564450
The symbol eyes are the biggest issue, they have no depth in both shading and emotion. With the hidden eye, try adding a hint of the eyebrow like
>>2564414
and look at reference for the eye itself.

For the circled part, the misplaced muscle is very distracting. The bump would be a bit below her armpit.

>Overall tips
Try to use clean lines, even if just in the final touches. You can use chicken scratch as a different layer and going back over it with clean lines.
Just draw more

>>2564382
>>2564470
I skimmed this one. Not only do you need to focus on eyebrows, but don't rush through it. I can just tell you half-assed all of that. Take your time, detail matters.

>>2564238
Is it just me or does the lighting on his skin look weird?

>>2564418
Put some highlights in that hair. (Is that the right word? I've been drawing for two weeks so i don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.)

>>2564512
I think overcast weather does that to things. Feels like he's a robot with synthetic skin when features aren't defined enough by light/shadow.

>>2564512
>>2564542
Or it's a little shooped.

Testing expressions that aren't deadpan - am I lips right? Tried to go for slightly tsundere/annoyed.

FUCK! Drawing is so frustrating when you have barely any talent for it!

Anybody else here start off with pretty much no talent whatsoever? It just seems I don't even know where to start, I've looked through the sticky but none of the tutorials really speak to me or help me learn

Any advice?

>>2564546
here we go

i expect 5-6 (You)s

>>2564548
This isn't bait lol. I just rarely visit this board, but when I do I try to draw, suck ass, and get fustrated

>>2564552
Literally everyone started where you are. You just have poor discipline and find it hard to understand that analyzing mistakes as an aspect of improvement is necessary in developing any skill.

>>2564556
It's just a matter of having nowhere to start. When I learn other things, I see improvement, or I at least understand what I'm learning. But everything I look at seems to start from a point I haven't reached yet, or doesn't really accomplish anything at all

>>2564562
Have you read Fun with a Pencil?

>>2564546

draw for an hour every day.

Get loomis, get key to drawing/get drawing on the right side of the brain then sit your fucking ass down and fucking DRAW.

If you've not improved after a year, then give the fuck up. If you have, then continue to fucking do it.

>>2564565
The one with the weird ass faces? Yeah

>>2564567
How do I use Loomis

Basic ellipse, line and bean exercises.

regretting the hatching! how would you shade the planes with a pen?

>>2564626
Also made this.

Best I can do when trying to draw hills covered in trees from far away. Obviously struggling with the shading. I try to separate dark and light areas, but should I discern between shadow & light areas and actual content areas, like spruce trees making darker patches than leaf trees?

Shadow and light suggests the form of the hills, so when I treat different patches of trees in the same way as shadow and light it fucks with the form.

lights/shadows correct?

>draw a portrait
>"wow this looks really good"
>take a picture of it
>the drawing looks like shit

>>2564546
It's not so much about having talent for it. It's just that the majority of people who are considered "good" have been drawing since they were kids.
Drawing as a child was the best shit ever.

>>2564652
>>2564546
forgot to add,
so just have fun with it if you're struggling to get shit down right now. Be a kid with drawing, just draw for fucks sake. Every now and then try to do studies but if you're feeling overwhelmed or frustrated with them I'd just fuck around a little bit and learn on your own.
At some point though you should try to learn more, for now just have fun.

>>2564268
not that anon but ive been tusslin with this question for a while now too. thanks for this. and good on other anon for asking.

>>2564236
>cut penis
Disgusting

>>2564522
yeah that's right

any advice?

>>2564731
fuck me, forgot to attach study

>>2564648
show us

>>2564544
Seems like her face or at least lips are lopsided.

>>2564683
you would stare right at his penis

>>2564544
It looks like she's looking up but her nose is straight on.

>>2564232
that was tough lads

>>2564237

i just started drawing yesterday, this is my 2nd time trying to construct a loomis head. is it even worth posting here before ive finished the book, im just having a hard time placing the features correctly and i dont know if i should keep at it or ask for help

>>2565106
Focus on the bigger picture before moving to details.

The head does wrap around yes, but you aren't thinking in 3d - the eye sockets (among other things on the face) have depth.

pic related is not the best example but it gets the point across

>>2565106

>>2565107
>>2565113
thanks, ill do another attempt and try to think more in 3D and not have so much symbol drawing.

ill let you know how that goes.

>>2564232
this fucking guy's pose reee

Need some Advice on the hair coloring
Originally it was all purple since that is what it was when I first drew the character but now I'm not so sure.

Any thoughts?

Pay no mind to the body It is just there to illustrate the other colors on her body.

my 2 minute gestures. i've done about 60 of these so far, and I feel like they look too stiff, or too much focus on contour?

btw, I know i chicken scratch, currently trying to stop that.

>>2565126

>>2565132
I know several Asian girls who have dyed their hair a multitude of colors, art imitates life.
Having dyed hair is cool and hip when you are young, hell I used to do it all the time.

>>2565126
Animeeeeeee nooooooooo.

Magenta looks good. If you're going to do half one colour then do it in a more natural way, pretty sure nobody dies the entire front of their fringe one colour and the rest another.

>>2565137
They are pointing out a particularly overused design trope (especially if your character acts anything like Ramona from Scott pilgrim). Be mindful of the trope while you make your character so you don't end up with something cliche and trite

>>2565130
Prob too much contour - less is more. Meaning that you should try to have each line drawn with a purpose. For this you don't need contours, also it should help reduce chicken scratching if you are more deliberate with your lines

>>2564546
>Drawing is so frustrating when you have barely any talent for it!

Here's your 5th (You).
You limit ourself if you believe that a lack of talent can hold you back.
I believe in Talent as a pursued interest.
Talent in a particular area is no more than a brain that’s been deliberately developed in a specific direction, optimised for a specific set of skills.

Will learning how to draw figures help me with drawing cartoon characteristics?
Or if I'm already shit at cartoony stuff, do I not have hope?

How do you deal with the way mistakes add up when you're doing studies? Especially as a beginner, when I'm trying to replicate figures or faces, I get one line wrong, then use it as a reference for another line, which is also slightly off, etc. By the end, my portrait study looks like I'd tried to draw my subject as an acid attack victim.

>>2565184
If you're shit at cartoony stuff then there's hope. Now you don't have to unlearn a bunch of stuff so you're nearly at the starting line. Good luck anon and get to drawing!

>>2564234
my attempt, pls crit

>>2564263
add more values (particularly darker) but it looks good!
>>2565113
oh god thank you for reminding me that this exists..! i tried to put it into use, idk how i did

>>2565187
You start again with a different reference, make sure you don't spend too much time on a single drawing.

>>2564236
where do you find images like these? they are super helpful

>>2565184
definitely learn to draw realistic, accurate figures first. don't immediately jump to stylization because then it looks weird.
>>2565201
stock pose/reference images on deviantart are helfpful, i think SenshiStock is one of them? and just google images too lol. there are many websites with naked figures, that's what i use when i practice gesturing

Are there any good methods that deal with proportions? I like doodling cartoon characters and shit but something I notice with them is your proportions have to be just right in order for them to look good since they don't have much detail.

>>2565201
Quickposes.com

>>2564232
Laid the base to be able to tell what's going on with left hand silhouette.

>>2564228
Just started keys to drawing. How is?

>>2565227
loooongo arm and hand on the right side.

>>2564228
Woops, forgot to rotate.
Okay, so, just started keys to drawing, how is?

bump

>>2564232
I had a tough time abandoning my layout sketch. Do you guys just paint right over it?

>>2565352
noice

>>2565289
Episode II

>>2565368
is that heat miser in the bottom right?

>>2565352
Looking pretty solid Anon. I think it is getting close to time for you to move out of the /beg/ thread and into the ocean of draw threads.

Still a bit of a beginner, but has anyone else gone through a depressive period where drawing and nothing in general interests you. I still love the satisfaction and joy of drawing, but it seems like it is getting harder to pick up the pencil.

>>2564733
Spend more time making sure the proportion/spacing is correct. It seems like you have a tendency to squash the figure's torso and pelvis together. Also try to use more hard edges and straight lines in your gestures. You lose the feeling of impact when you primarily use curves.
>>2564953
I think that you simplified the shapes to the point that you lost the likeness. It seems like you're focusing too much on the contour and forgetting the shapes they define. Try to be more specific when you're laying out your shapes.

>>2565388
I'd say to fix what you're going through because the way you put it it seems like that's the bigger issue. If you do and drawing is still melancholic then you might be doing too many soulless studies and less of things you want to do.

>>2565375
Oh wow, when I was young I watched that film every christmas. I can't say it was deliberate, but wouldn't be surprised if I was influenced by the character.
Also, I stepped away for a little bit, and looking at my work, I have to say, I need to work on my less exaggerated faces.

Is it possible to be just a hobbyist and still be good at art?
I don't want to be a professional artist since I have other things going on at school but I've never stopped dreaming of gitting gud and looking up to artists like Algenpfleger.

>>2565368
Episode III

>>2565434
my neck

tfw draw over favorite artists' work into simpler forms and left awestruck by a flawless understanding of loomis, proportion, and perspective far above your own

Drawing the same person in different expressions is harder than expected

something seems off anatomically. Crits?

Here a work in progress
I feel still needs polish shadows, lightnings, background, etc
How i am on my progress?

>>2565467
looks like he's jerkin it desu

>>2565467
His head is tiny, the arms are huge, and there's no understanding of the underlying anatomy in the shoulders or arms.

>>2565449
Who's your favorite artist?

>>2564232
wuz

This is a practice picture that I drew and I was wondering if I could get some feedback and I know that it don't look too good but give me your best criticism and advice for improving

quick 15 min study today

>>2565526
my neck

I'm on Loomis' figure drawing book right now and I'm trying to get this proportion down. How's my process? I start with a skeleton frame like the one from Fun With a Pencil, then add the "meat", then pen it in so the two are easily distinguished.

Any tips at this point would be greatly appreciated because right now I'm planning to make 50 or so more of these per angle (6 in total, male & female), or how many it takes to reproduce these things from memory with correct proportion.

Also the drawing should not look this scratchy at all, these photos take up 4 mb each and every time I scale it down it looks like hell

>>2565558
Also forgot to ask: is penning in the meat a waste of time?

>>2565524
The hip seems to be too feminine
Male ass has muscle, which makes it look rigid instead of curvy

>>2564544
her ear is a triple bulged monstrosity

>>2565538
sorry but for whatever reason thats how the phone sent it

>>2565558
now do a dynamic pose

>>2565558
Good on you for studying Loomis, its mostly boring but you soon learn what a master draftsman he was by copying his drawings. As for your copy, it looks pretty good aside from the calves (they're a bit short and stubby). You mentioned you want to copy it repeatedly, but don't be afraid to move onto the mannequin figure in chapter 1 (a simplification of the human form that would be easier to replicate to really memorize those proportions). Also, supplicate your loomis with other stuff - Hampton, Bridgeman, anything that interests you. Loomis is brilliant but he's stuck in the 50s and can get rather dry if you try to cram it all at once.

As for the pen question, inking your drawings can be great practice for line weight/control, so I don't see it as a waste of time.

>>2564546
I feel the same anon. I just want to have fun drawing but it's hard, I have to force myself. I want to read up and do studies but I'm an undisciplined lazy shit. I'll never make it, I'm just wasting my time. It's OK though because when we die our brains decompose and our stored memories are forgotten, so nothing matters.

Do you guys take written notes on conceptual/theory stuff? I've never seen artists do it.

>>2565589
We're too busy drawing instead of writing.

>>2564232
How much more do I have to draw before I'm allowed to draw anime?

>>2565601
So long that I wouldn't even think about it yet.

>>2565575
Thanks for the advice anon! I actually have an old Bridgman I picked up from a used book store that I've been meaning to open up, I'll give it a look in between Loomis studies, the mannequins as well.

>>2565574
I'll do that when I can draw static poses correctly.

>>2565589
Da Vinci did it. He would draw/paint with one hand and write down notes with the other.

>>2565603
Bummer

>>2564252
Wow no one wants to do this one.

Protip: Doing a picture upside down and in black and white will help you, especially if you're trying to get out of symbol drawing.

is it normal to get sore wrists after minutes of drawing on a tablet? I'm trying to press down lightly but it's still getting kind of sore

>>2565618
could be the way you're holding the pen. It could also be that you need to get used to it. I know when I first had my tablet it would make my hands sore, now it doesn't.

This was something that I had posted. I like the colors I picked but my biggest problem with it is
> it's not really crisp
> it still looks flat in some areas
> i can't into lineart which is probably why it doesn't look crisp
How can I improve on this and more stuff in the future, family? This is the best thing I've done so far. Also, yes I know it's tumblr universe OC, plz no bully.

>>2565617

got anymore?

>>2565617
I think I turned Clint into a retard

>>2565634
Oops

>>2564252

>>2565469
The head is wider than the rib cage. I don't think even typical anime has the torso that small.

>>2565526
Do the first few exercises at drawabox.com. Get confident at drawing long lines without going back over them.

>>2565624
are you drawing at 100 ppi?

>>2564414
Tried another face, did more construction on this one.

A sketch that turned into sucide squad harley or as I call her. "Whorely Quinn".

>>2565675
Read the sticky

>>2565677
Something tells me he isn't a serious poster. Let him post his shit that nobody will care about.

I've never used digital before and I'm fairly skilled on paper. Would it be okay to start off with vector right off or should I build up to it and if so, in what way?

>>2565601

You can draw anime anytime you want. Just don't forget to supplement it with studies.

>>2565687
Most people have difficulty drawing straight lines when starting out with digital. You'll probably have to practise for a week or so before you get control of it.

>>2565687
The different between digital and traditional is the same as the difference between pen and brush.

>>2564234
I tried..

>>2565687
Start with whatever will help you practice the style you want most.

>>2565799
my neck

>>2565799
Not bad at all, you should put more focus on the areas where light meets shadow though.

>>2565444
I'm gonna go out on a lim and say that you mean to say it's shit?

>>2565818
limb*

>>2565818
roTaTe

>>2565484
my mom

>>2565818
No. It's sideways. My neck hurts when I tilt my head to see your drawing.

>>2565825
Oh, woops.
I forgot to re-save the pic in photoshop, hold on.
...
...
...
Done!

>>2565838
grats now don't forget to do it from now on

i bs'd today

>>2565838
>Fun with a pencil
If you are learning Loomis just skip that fucking dogshit book and move onto Head & Hands already.

How fucked an I if I only have access to lined paper at the moment?

>>2565872
say goodbye to all your hopes and dreams

>>2565875
I already have long ago

>mfw just got a tablet
Why is everything so fucking hard?

>>2565881
"You'll get used to it".

Does anyone have any good tutorial pdf's or guides for practicing materials/textures?

I have the basics of muscles, proportions, shading etc., but my drawings always feel really flat because I can't into different materials.

>>2565885
there's that drapery book where the cover is some dude with clothes on his arms and he looks like a swastika

you know the book

>>2565882
Well i sure hope i do ;_;

Why do my drawings and studies always come out better when using a scrap piece of paper rather than my sketchbook? Am I psyching myself out or what?

>>2565895
>>2565885
dynamic wrinkles and drapery
burne hogarth

>>2565197
Her neck leans a bit more to her right side, try and measure the angle with your pencil/pen. Other tha. That I like it, nice hatching, it creates good dimension for the figure.

>>2565657
Yeah, 300 ppi is so big, it's hard to see how the overall picture looks.

>>2564252
First time drawing something upside down. I like the reveal when you turn it the right way up. My Clint eastwood looks like he's being hit in the face with a wet fart.

>>2565601
don't abandon your stylised work for studies and don't abandon your studies for your style. do both, but at first your time spent studying should be trying to represent reality as it is (i.e. realism) then once you get a good grasp on that, start blending in some of your style into your studies.

i'd say 85% studies to 15% imagination is a good ratio for when you're starting out and working on fundamentals. but once you've got those bases to a good level (probably after a year or so depending on how hard you work), go ahead and make it 50/50

>>2565992
>>2565641
>>2565635
Good job on your work anons, you'll only ever get better. Go ahead and try this, and if you can, draw a vertical line and horizontal line through the middle of it and divide it into 4 quadrants. Then do the same on your paper. It helps a lot with construction and proportion in the beginning.

>>2564370
Draw a torso, draw breasts on it. Do it again and again. Study how gravity effects them, breasts are normally almost a teardrop shape

>>2565895
Burne Hogarth's dynamic drapery or whatever

Hello there /ic/

>>2564236
Trying to eyevalue.

>>2565645
ok thanks for the advice

>>2566001
Cheers dude, I'll give it a go later.

>>2564228
I'm fairly new to digital art aha.. I like the messy lineart style, so that's not really my main point of focus, but any critiques?

>>2564888
psst nice trips bro

>>2565624
i like they style a lot, looks nice, actually, it looks like oil paints or an ink rendering, sweet! Is it a gem oc?

>>2564238
so I learned something today. my line quality for the past week has been total shit, but im beginning to think its my small wacom intuos tablet. today i drew on my surface pro 2 and i dont have the same chicken scratch from before. I believe its drawing on a small nonscreen tablet thats fucking me up. my chicken scratch is the top left old man on OP's picture

>>2566044
mutilated dick / 10

>>2565989
thank you!

>>2564238
Rate my solid snake. Also, how do I zoom out guys?

Seriously though, I did this as a break from draw-a-box exercises and I decided to do it without construction or auxiliary lines of any kind, just to see if I could get around by paying attention to the spacing between lines and things like that. Didn't go great, I don't think I need to say that, but one thing that really annoyed me, was that I could never place him right within the frame, any tips on that? Doing this without auxiliary lines feels batman.

Oh, and yeah, I drew the bottom ones first, then the top ones, by the way.

>>2566044
His dick isn't made of chrome anon, what is with that shine?

>>2564232

I haven't drawn seriously in years so I used it as an exercise in construction since I don't know anatomy

Lel I'm gonna be in these beginner threads for a long time

what am i actually learning by doing portraits from photos? (other than not symbol drawing)

>>2564370
Here:
http://mldoxy.deviantart.com/art/Boob-Toot-1-442770559

>>2566188
you're learning proportions/placement, structure and you can somewhat interpret volume (obviously better if you draw from life). it's what you should be doing to supplement stuff you do from imagination.

looks like you're getting on with it ok. try doing detailed feature studies too , they all look pretty uninformed on how to draw them appealingly .

>>2566188

bruh, draw from life

>>2566186
The tiny bow is what makes this great.

>>2566238
Gotta dress for success.

what is the key to better values and edges I can't seem to ever get the edges right.

Tried coloring some of my work,

http://www.posemaniacs.com/thirtysecond

is posemaniacs 30 seconds drawing good for a beginner or should I start with something else?

Also is it good to work with 3d models in general?

>>2566195
Thanks for posting this. I am currently looking at this http://ragingtofu.deviantart.com/art/How-to-Draw-Boobs-159067363


>>2566005
Okay so I drew some torso's and breast last night. I think if I keep drawing torsos and breast for 2 hours a day I'll get better eventually.

>>2566319

> he signed this thing

>>2566332
>tutorial

>>2566343
Excuse me?

>>2564627
still wondering about this!

patches of different types of vegetation (represented by different values) mess with the form of the hill.

>>2565660
Was hoping to get some feedback on this one.

Hows this?

>>2565850

dat creepy chan

>>2566479
the bone structure is pretty terrible, also looks pretty 2 dimensional flat desu

>>2566489
What about this one

>>2566238

2bh dudes in bowed panties is my fetish. I'm working hard so I can draw my spiciest gay fantasies in a year or two

I added ink to make it look clean and then realized I completely was off on all proportions. I think I understand how chests are constructed at a super basic level now, though. Thanks to the anon who posted the challenge, I learned a lot from it

>>2566495
here
>>2566493

>>2566502

i think you want this thread

>>2547535

how do I cure symbol drawing
I just don't get it because I'm really stupid, I did that upside down sticky exercise a few times.

is it the matter of being more patient to copy accurately?

>>2566512

I wish I were good enough 2 post there but I can't even get proportions or more than super basic construction right so it's gonna be a few months before I get courageous enough

>>2566161
symbols/10

>>2566519
you missed the point im sure

>>2566522

oh I didn't read that thread's theme oops

>>2566463
Personally, I'd try to imitate Bernie Wrightson/Franklin Booth/Nico Delort style of hatching. Using slightly varied, in direction and density, patches of hatch, that would generally flow with the volume of the hill, switching to lines and beelines for light and volume further in distance.

>>2566520
What about it is symbolic though?

>>2566539
Which parts, I mean.

>>2566539
Fucking everything. You're clearly not drawing what you're seeing because there's a mix of varying distances in every picture. Take your time next time.

Have a look at this >>2565113

>>2566546
I'm not drawing what I'm seeing because I literally cannot draw what I see, my lines aren't very good at all yet, so when I want to make the squiggly line that makes the top of the eye, I may know what line I want, but it often comes way off. I did simplify the lens of the glasses, because I couldn't get the tight shapes needed to make it look decent, so I simply tried to roughly place the ellipses according to the line of the nostril and the second line of the mouth (the one going slightly down; and the pupils I didn't pay much attention to either. The beard, I didn't really know what to do with, since I can't shade properly yet, but that was not at all what I wanted to take from this.

I simply cannot believe "everything" is symbol drawn, when I don't remember a line that I treated singularly, with nothing more than respect for other lines already in the drawing.

>mix of varying distances in every picture.
What do you mean?

>>2566595
> when I don't remember a line that I treated singularly
That I didn't treat*

>>2566595

he (partly) means you're drawing the lines instead of thinking about form

but also even your lines are way off and your eyes especially are just symbols

do some construction

>>2566611
I still don't get how my eyes are symbols. I mean, maybe I'm looking at this wrong, but I seriously was not drawing eyes when I was drawing the eyes. My thought process for these is demonstrated on the image. The arrows represent the distances I checked, while the other colors represent the shapes and lines I tried to make. Yes, I know I didn't check every distance I should've (like the space between the triangle of the eyelashes and the eye), but is that really symbol drawing?

And as I said, I didn't use construction on purpose, I stated it clearly, it was simply something I did to train my eye measurements a bit, that's why I didn't really ask for opinions on that, because I am not planning on doing anything actually serious without construction.

But now I really am curious if I am symbol drawing.

>>2566648
yes you are symbol drawing. don't draw with such thick lines. and try zooming in / drawing bigger and doing detailed studies of each part. study pic related and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-bCgRmcko

>>2566686
>yes you are symbol drawing.
Am I? Am I not doing what
>>2565113
says? Because I sure am trying.

>don't draw with such thick lines
I mean, I only used one pen, unless you're talking about the example, but that was just to explain how I was thinking about it. I could do one with thinner lines if you want...

> and try zooming in / drawing bigger
The only reason I did those frames is because I know I have trouble with placing my subject, which is what I asked for help on. It was just an exercise to try and keep everything orderly.

>study pic related and this
My intention was never to learn how to draw an eye with this, the eye was just an example; and wouldn't that kind of contradict what you were saying? Why would studying eyes help me if I'm not trying to draw an eye, but those specific shapes and lines? My intention was to try to decide which lines were more important to the drawing, and mark them to the best of my abilities, similar to how they are in the photo.

Am I being a dumb here?

>>2566703
Okay. Either there is something that isn't connecting, this is bait, or we're truly just arguing different aspects.

You made a great picture, anon.

>>2566706
So I'm not doing what >>2565113
says?

>>2566709
doing what you demonstrated and actually drawing it is 2 different things

>>2566703
holy shit you draw with fucking symbols. Stop fucking arguing it, the fact that you cant see that just shows how fucking bad you are. Go read 'Drawing on The Right Side of The Brain' that's what cured my symbols.

>>2566715
Like, I would accept literally any other kind of criticism I can think of:
>My lines are bad
>I don't have an understanding of face anatomy or construction
>I suck at eyeballing distances
>...

but the one you give me is that I am symbol drawing when I was actively trying not to do it.

So, how do I fix it? Am I just not applying >>2565113 what is said here correctly?

>>2566721
>the fact that you cant see that just shows how fucking bad you are.
Nigga, I've been doing this for what, two weeks now? I think I don't need to tell me how bad I am.

>>2566723
the fact that you're actively trying to not do it is great, but it's a big step for artists to make, and not easy. you seem to know the theory so consciously being aware of it and drawing a lot (!!!) is really all you can do

>>2566723
Yes, you do. Whether you're just starting out or 5 years down the line, you need people to tell you you're bad. That way you never stop improving, you will keep striving to get better and fix your mistakes. If people just tell you you're good, then you'll start stagnating.

>>2566725
Alright.

>>2566726
I meant to say "you don't need to tell me how bad I am." Do you think I looked at that and went "wow, what a great picture"?

>>2566728
I sure hope you didn't.

>>2566731
>Didn't go great, I don't think I need to say that,

I don't really understand what "symbol drawing" is. I'm not really a beginner, though. I just haven't drawn for so long and have decided to get back into it by starting from the beginning.

>>2566740
what if there was an image in this thread that explained what it was

Are there any streams or Youtube channels where I can watch someone go through the same construction that Loomis teaches? Proko just shills his paid content while pretending his brief videos can actually teach you anything.

>>2566766
they do teach you shit. Or how about just reading a loomis book? Stop being lazy.

>>2566742

That's be pretty cool.

Am I heading in the right direction with the eyes?

>>2566766
all you need is in the free videos. the premium ones don't give you anything you wouldn't work out after a small amount of time anyway

>>2566781
Sorry about massive image, always forget.

>>2566774
I am reading Loomis. I just want to see someone put it all into practice to compare to my own work.

>>2566781
yeah looks like you're getting the right idea

>>2566787
Have you memorized the construction? Can you draw one in many angles? You need to do that first.

What I do is I start with the simple loomis head, and make sure the proportions are correct. Then I do the planes of the face, Including two spheres for the eyes and a rounded shape for the mouth. Then I do the actual details on top of it. It's easier to deal with on a tablet since you have layers, if on paper, make sure you're drawing very light, you're going to be erasing a lot.

Alright, now I want to make feminine eyes. What can I change to achieve this?

>>2566806
stop rushing, you're back in symbol town

>>2566817
I'm having trouble distinguishing symbol from real eyes, even though I know what it's supposed to look like. However I'll make sure to not rush.

>>2566819
remember the eye is a ball, with eyelids wrapping over and around it, and those eyelids have thickness. practice some balls with ellipses wrapping around them

>>2566130
Yeah, I was trying to remember if I knew how to draw. Still, it doesn't look like how I'd want it to. I'd like to render my drawing so much they look like plastic figures, how will I ever git gud.

>>2566044
JABcomics/10

dicks are not shiny like that

is it worth getting a larger tablet for a larger monitor? 1440p with intuos pro med atm

Doing Hampton's week 8.
I feel like I'm doing something horribly wrong, can't tell.

>>2564228
Vilppu chapter 4

Having trouble with form, feeling a little tempted to start learning anatomy now, but waiting untill chapter 7/8

>>2566865
fuuuck it's fuck but they look shit when I look at them

>>2566866
meant to say
>it's fun

>>2566001
Not those anons that were quoted but I wanted to use this picture.

Feedback is appreciated.

>>2566001
Not those anons that were quoted but I wanted to use this picture.

Feedback is appreciated.

>>2566128
cute

>>2564252
This is terrible, I'm so shit

>>2566332
Not bad, but don't do that boob shine bullshit. It's skin not plastic.

>>2564252
Figure I would keep my crap in it's original orientation

>>2566516
Just assume that any perfect curve or perfectly straight line is wrong. So when you see you've drawn either of those, go back over it and see how the line really curves.

>>2564591
Just read it. lol

I can't into concept art. I tried so many times to draw a front view but his head is so oddly shaped. It's like a rectangle that's round on one end and a cone on the back. Any tips tricks n dicks welcome.

>>2566925

>>2566821
Ohh that's a really good idea. Thanks anon.

So as you can probably tell I do 99% weeb stuff, but I wanted to do a character conglomerate for the D&D group. Here's my three best things so far, what pointers do you have? I'm open to try anything, I want to improve.

>>2566946

>>2566947

>>2566930
I remember now. This is why I come here.

Should i just start with loomis or something? I read the sticky but still.

>>2566993
draw what you want initially to learn to love the process of drawing

>>2566994
I just want to take my doodling to the next level mate

>>2564637
Yes yes..
But i don't like this face makes me feel..
You could paint anything else?

>>2566995
show work

>>2565861
What's wrong with Fun With a Pencil?

>>2567014
Nothing. People just spend way too much time on it.

>>2567014
maybe he doesnt like pencil, so he doesnt have any fun working with it lol

>>2567018
HO HO LMAOOOO

>>2566531
that is some insane hatching! I'll try to see what those guys do.

Second day of trying to draw boobs and a torso. Struggling real hard when it comes to those low angled shots seen on the right side. Probably my lack of perspective and proportion knowledge.

>>2567012
Complete shite, just want to know what babbys first book should be

trying some loomis

>>2567059
Save tits for later

>>2567068
And.....?

>>2564470
>>2564450
Here is something to keep in mind as well with raised arms. Look at how the pectorals and deltoid is in relation to the bicep. They sort of do a wrap, or at least a very clear line.

>>2567064
thank christ

>>2567103
while i'm at it trying to draw some male

>>2567108
Find out where the center of the thorax is and where your clavicles are meeting up on the thorax.

>>2567113
here?

>>2567114
It is a bit too far to the left and should be moved a bit more to the right. Where the clavicle meets in the center is off due to it.

>>2567114
>>2567117


mmmh harder than it looks

loomis makes me draw scary faces ç_ç

think i'm gonna drop loomis tho

gives a really strong western feeling to my drawings

>>2567121
Looking a lot better.

>>2567164
Is that a butt plug tail?

>>2567059
make one more and ill redline you. Make it clean.

>>2567160
looks good to me, loomis is just a jumping-off point anyway.

>>2567160
The entire purpose is understanding how to draw the subject he is teaching. He isn't even giving you a style. Even if you were a hardcore Loomis fanboy, after finishing any of his books, you will not have his style.

bump

>>2566733
don't be discouraged, just accept the criticism, improve, and post again tomorrow.

>>2567192
>>2567192
>>2567192

new thread

>>2567192
>>2567192
>>2567192

>>2567068
No. Never save tits for later.

So I have begun to work on the drawabox exercises to help improve my work and while I know it take a heck of a while to get good at it I just want to know 2 thing what's a good rough estimate on doing each of the drawabox exercises and homework (at least for the first lesson) and second I keep hearing about how a person should use their arm to draw but I have a hard time understanding the motions one would use to build that muscle memory up if someone could get back to me on this that would be great

>>2567938
Dang it, it turned sideways again

>>2566947

You want to fuck dragons dont you

>>2564252
Mine got a severe case of longface. Sort of turned into a value study which turned out pretty shit but whatever.