/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2540540

This sticky is overwhelming to a newcomer, in-concise, and difficult for finding a starting point based on an individual's skill. It's also just plain too long and littered with corollaries between main sections to bog down the uninvested reader.

The original sticky did it better because:
- Steps of artist development were clearly outlined with numbers (Step 1 - Fixing symbol drawing, Step 2 - Construction, Step 3 - Perspective, etc. etc.)
- Individual steps of artist development were briefly outlined in one-two paragraphs and a book to read for more information was provided in the same block of information for those who wanted to read further. This enabled the process of people painlessly reading the paragraph, being able to determine if they needed to spend time in those fundamentals, and then easily having a bootstrapping point with a single book (or two) to go to.

I hope your sticky improves and begins to read more as a section of fundamentals with a corresponding text for those wanting to read more as opposed to it being a self-enclosed tutorial (what it currently reads as) with a density of information that lacks enough brevity to be considered useful at a glance.

Maybe do a github with pull requests so that you can curate the informativeness of your content as opposed to a google doc?

>>2540540
As it currently stands, the original sticky is just plain better and there's no reason why I wouldn't recommend that instead of your Google doc.

Again, I'd love to see it come into its own, wish you well.

Give me strong men to draw.

>>2540545
>>2540546
keeping this in mind thanks xd

le eyebrow face

>>2540547
strong woMAN

this one will separate the boys from the men

>>2540572
i think i'll stay a boy in that case

>>2540574
i tried to draw her hair a few times
failing every time
s-someday

>>2540572
What a goddess. Imagine licking her tits and making your way up her armpit and you are greeted with the lovely scent and texture of dat armpit hair.

>>2540585
i imagine it every day family

>>2540585
i lol

>>2540589
whyd u stop makin beg threads

>>2540568

Is there any point in studying Loomis for figure drawing? I've been messing around with it and Hampton for a while now and I'm not sure which one to stick with

>>2540604
Hampton is definitely much more technical and expressive. For some reason after about 3 months of just loomis (for everything) he fell off for me. Dunno if it's because i'm subconsciously being manipulated by /ic/s view of him but other artists just teach better.

>>2540604
Do both and see which one resonates better with you.

Tryng again, can anyone critique this

>>2540596
sorry m8 but i have homework and stuff to do
>college life
for my sorry ill post a krenz tutorial

>>2540617

>>2540564
s-sorry for botching your face

for everyone that needs some motivation boosting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsSC2vx7zFQ

ignore the shitty intro

>>2540617
>>2540618
its GUCCI bro i got u my man

custom op pic and everything

>>2540623
this is gonna sound super camp but eric thomas motivational speeches are really hype. and not even just pushing to draw but gym, etc.

i was coloring this, but i feel like it looks like shit, how can i improve, by the way i don't have any sense of fundamentals.

Grinding out hand studies. How did I do, /ic/?

>>2540636
fuark forgot to resize & rotate
soz familia

>>2540637
wew. the thumbnail showed it was rotated.

>>2540540
I'm trying to do the drawabox lesson one without letting my wrist touch the paper, and it's making me draw like I have parkinson's. Does it just take getting used to?

>>2540647
>without letting my wrist touch the paper
what ??

>>2540656
I thought you weren't supposed to let your wrist touch the paper when you draw?

>>2540672
are you comfortable with that?

>>2540672
So where did you hear this from

>>2540678
proko's channel.

>>2540677
I'm new to drawing, so I don't think I can really determine if I want to do stuff only based on comfort.

>>2540678
I don't remember, I've just heard it before.

>>2540672
I'm still not sure what to do with touching the paper.

If you touch the paper the lines are usually steadier. But the friction is inconsistent, so you get more completely defective lines. This is especially a problem at the edge of the page. And you have to preload the hand at the start of the line or it will be defective because of the flesh squashing.

Maybe using a low friction glove would help. But then I'm stuck using a glove, and I still need to apply preload which slows me down. So I think maybe it's best to train non-hand-contact drawing. Do any pros draw non-hand-contact?

>>2540696
Pros are using an overhand grip while resting on the ring finger and pinky. But if your wrist has to touch the paper to draw a straight line, by all means do so. Except the fundamentals, there's no wrong or right way to do art.

>>2540733
>overhand grip while resting on the ring finger and pinky
Meaning same as a tripod grip except the pencil goes under the index+middle fingers instead of over? This does make it easier to rest on the ring/pinky fingernails (better than resting on skin) compared to tripod grip, but it also forces the pencil to contact the page at a shallow angle, which contradicts advice I've heard to hold it vertical.

>>2540634
i forgot to mention this, but i'm using PS cs6 and mouse.

>>2540736
>it also forces the pencil to contact the page at a shallow angle

The keyword here is pencil. With a pencil, you can draw tone (side of the lead) or line (at the tip). That's why the angle is shallow. Since you're following drawabox, they're recommending to use a pen. A pen only has a small tip, so you have to hold it fairly vertically and that's easier done with a tripod grip.

When I draw with a pen, I hold in tripod style while resting on the side of my hand. Don't pay too much attention to it though. It's just a matter of practice.

>>2540750
>Since you're following drawabox, they're recommending to use a pen
But the reasons are bullshit, because nobody is forcing you to use an eraser. So I am using a pencil because I like pencils.

>tripod style while resting on the side of my hand
The resting on the side of the hand is what I think could be a bad habit. I don't think resting on fingernails is a problem, but that's difficult and uncomfortable unless you use overhand grip, which is only good for tone not line. Does anybody draw line/steep angle with no hand contact?

Practicing my fundamentals, give it to me hard anon!

>>2540789
I don't see any fundies there

>>2540797
More clear now?

>>2540807
THICKER

>>2540812

>>2540617
Math and numbers and angles, oh my! I want to draw, not making textbook diagrams.
>still gonna practice it

>>2540820
>>2540819

These are pretty nice, anon. The only recommendation I could give is pushing your values a touch harder, though they're not too bad as is.

Besides the face of the second one bringing the rest of it down a notch (at least in the first one it's undetailed but present) but I'm chalking that up to not being the focus of the study.

>>2540806
more birds, Tucan
CC on my pose and form

>>2540755
>reasons are bull
Typical /beg/

>>2540817
HIGH TEST

>>2540565

>>2540835
Bump

>>2540954
the first bird looks fine, the second one looks like a bootleg (the tucan one). the left leg on the tucan defies perspective, and it doesn't fit on the paper. it would make it a hundred times better if i could actually see the entire bird :V

>>2540996
Drew the rest of the beek, ye the legs should be a bit closer together. Thanks for the feedback!

>>2540493
Thanks bro I appreciate it, I'll keep these things in mind.

>>2540565
todays studies
probably lit like shit

>>2541083
Drop trying to use color right fucking now, go back to basics and practice fundamentals. Everything is horribly flat... but i'm a noob myself so can't really judge too hard

>>2541087
also, when can one tell when one has covered heads enough for a while?

inb4 anon you havent
yeah i know

>>2541090
you must be new here huh

that's mspaint guy, let him do what he wants

>>2541166
Ye, will do.
oh and wolverine

>>2541131
Do 1,000. And then do another 1,000. It never ends, anon.

>>2541206
Hahaha

>>2541227
care to elaborate?

>>2541206

Why did you place the tail like that? It should come out of the tail bone (duh - i.e. be a continuation of the spine) rather than at the base of the lumbar vertebrae as in your pic unless you have a specific reason for having it that way.

>>2540871
http://drawabox.com/article/ink
>People tend to be wasteful, and ink won't let you hide it
So don't use an eraser
>It helps build confidence by causing you to fail
That's the same reason! Don't use an eraser, problem solved.
>Everything is black and white - there are no gradients to complicate matters
So use a soft pencil! And then he praises felt tip pens for pressure sensitivity, so that's the exact same complication!

>>2541242
You've got a point, it would make sense to place it lower.
I placed it there I guess so it wouldn't look like the tail came from between her butt.

>>2540572
I know i fucked up at some parts (arm, face) but any critique?

>>2540637
Why are your radius and ulna parting? Go study individual portions of the hand and construct it keeping proportion in mind. The metacarpal bones in the open bone drawing are extremely short, with a lack of carpal bones at the base of the ulna and radius.

Construct your hands out of basic forms and add overlying contours and folds afterwards.

I'd also critique some anatomy for you if you want to post some, as I can see the made up anatomy in the forearm and arm on the left.

>>2540572
I tried to become a man

so I am just doing a random landscape.

I want to learn how to draw, but I never know what I want to draw. What should I do about this?

>>2541463
Find a goal and read the sticky.

>>2541463
if you don't have a goal you're not going to make it

Can't resize ATM. How do I gain better control for my 12 inch lines.

>>2541560
Do it everyday for 2 hours. Guaranteed results.

>>2541562
Heard.

>>2540637
Why are people like this in a beginner thread?
Am I just that shit?

>>2541566
Perhaps, post your work.

>>2540835
>>2541006
Comparing this with photos of toucans, the body looks too small for the neck/head and the feet seem like they were drawn without reference. The leg connecting to the hand's joint appears like an extended palm, whereas on the actual birds it's more of a circular bulge. The toes are much too small and short, and a toucan has front-facing toes, two back-facing, the back-facing being the outside toes (first and fourth). I'll post the best front and back photos I could find, the second of them in a reply to this post.

>>2541571

>>2541566
Be objective about things. Obviously he's not a beginner but needs anatomical advice.

Just focus on improving and stay positive and you'll be fine.

>>2541566
Because people who aren't proffessional master level get told to fuck off here all the time.

>>2541571
god I thought that was someone's fucked up arm from the thumbnail, triggered my trypophobia

>>2541590
thought the exact same thing anon

>>2541566
well considering he fucked up the hand to finger ratio and probably used reference. I think beg thread is still best thread.

>>2540545
yep. Cause I got cucked by fellow d/ic/ks, I started a wiki where we all contributed and it was starting to look good and i was working on categorizing it nicely, then these fags decided to copy it all to google doc and started pasting it everywhere until nobody was working on wiki. I told them the doc looked like shit and was confusing but no, so that's why you have this abomination. Fuck you and fuck all the beginners that have shitty sticky, you all deserve it, i'm not moving a finger for this cunty board ever again.

>>2541599
>tfw remember the wiki

>>2541599
I thought the wiki was great

shame

>>2541599
What's difference between the sticky and the wiki? It should be the same shit.

>>2541611
the mods have to put the wiki link in the sticky

Why can't I make this fucking look right? Am I not wearing my fucking 3d glasses right?

>>2541620
Go learn how to draw proper lines.

>>2541621
My lines are shit cause I am irritated with it not looking right so I am just doing whatever. Making my lines prettier is not gonna fix this.

>>2541328
would cum over it if i drew that

>>2541620
why does putting my 2d shapes in a 3d box help?
>>2541606
>>2541604
>>2541599
>>2541611
>>2541614
ill fix the fucking wiki tomorrow, just did an hour. Condensed, fixed some mistakes and reordered a bit.

The mods wont change the fucking sticky until the new one is done. That or they just don't care. Either way, the boards actual literal sticky is way to short and doesnt elaborate on much, so im always a proponent of the "sticky" in the beg thread.

>>2541620
you should get scott robertsons books and start with that, there is just a fundamental level of perspective that hasnt sunk in yet.

pic attached is with mouse so cant draw a face, but gives you some idea

>>2540540
Nor having my wrist touch the paper is making stable lines even harder than with my wrist touching it, but it helps me engage my shoulder more. Should I just alternate between the two? Do any professionals draw exclusively without their wrist touching the medium?

>>2541642
Thanks, any particular book to start off with?

>>2541560
Go slower with them. The goal with the first line is to get a straight line across the paper. After that, your goal is to trace over that same line as precisely as you can. Think of it as inking over a sketch and take it slow, but not so slow that your lines are super wobbly.

>>2541648
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/how-to-draw-scott-robertson/1111163988/2691469495476?st=PLA&sid=BNB_DRS_Marketplace+Shopping+Paperbackshopus_00000000&2sid=Google_&sourceId=PLGoP23173&k_clickid=3x23173

Can find a pdf easily, but thats the one. Read and copy front to back

>>2541645
I can't get a straight answer to this either. But I know it must be possible, because painting is done with no wrist contact (or you smudge the paint).

Hi again /beg/, I've been slamming out thumbnails recently, trying to work on capturing the feeling of a forest. Any help with this? love you as always

Let me know what I'm doing wrong so far. So far I know that perspective is one. if you find any others let me know.

>>2541670
Last one is much too saturated, especially since your greens contrast with some amber backlight, which makes it look like the green comes more from a neon bulb than the actual ambient light of the scene.

Unless you specifically want to paint a super wide composition, you might have an easier time working in a format like 16:9. If you're trying to capture the feel of a "forest soil" rather than a forest, though, you can keep going with what you have.

Look at different photos of forests and study their palettes before deviating too much into stylized colors. There's two things that make stylized colors feel real: an accentuation of an unusual, but already existing (real world) lighting scheme, or realistic detail+composition. I think you'll have a lot of trouble making good thumbnails if your colors are too out there and you're unfamiliar with the subject.

I tried today, /ic/

thoughts? comments? I'm obviously missing something

I'm most proud of the woman in the middle raising her hands while looking up

>>2541674
thanks, most of this stuff seems like common sense but it flew right over my head. Still working on being not retarded

I don't know what to do with this, should I add a lot of detail to the dragon or I have something yet to fix? maybe more colours? or just.. throw it with the rest..

>>2541693
Looks done to me.

how do these look? no refs used

Can someone do a brief check of forms and lighting?

Secondary issues: what's the most efficient photoshop technique to shade in more detail? And why is my hair so terrible?

Is this useful?

>>2541721
Her bangs go a little more to the left, she looks like she's got a bit of a bald spot. If you want to make headway (heh) with hair, look at hair, follow the form. Go detail and practice the fuck out of it before you go back to simple shapes. Learn how the hair falls, even if it's just bangs and buns.

>>2541721
lips not wide enough, upper lip area too long, nose too long, eyes to big, you gave her a corner to her jaw that isnt actually there.

>>2541732
as for the lighting (i think you mean values) theyre fine but thats a shit ref pic for values/lighting to begin with due the filter. you went darker than you should on the right side of her jaw. and you could afford to go a bit dark on parts of the hair, but not to much

>>2541725

I like the page in Loomis with the planes, because you can draw it with straight lines so it's easy to line things up. What you posted is like the aborted fetus version of Loomis. Like what the fuck is the finished product, there is literally no definition on the nose bridge area, which is the hardest part, and the eye plane looks un-anatomical as shit. Step 8 basically saves his head but he pulled it out of his ass so it's pointless. How will you know how to draw that shape at any other angle? He already knew how to draw and tried to put some shapes on it to make it repeatable for others but failed horribly.

Just use Loomis, or Hogarth if you like suffering. I already posted my head so you can laugh at how bad I am.

>>2541731
>>2541732
>>2541736

I'll fix all of this and practice hair detail, thanks. For the value I copied the ref, and also did another layer using the planes from Loomis. The imaginary lighting looked better so I just went with that. It's probably because of the filter like you mentioned.

Here's an unrelated thing that's not quite done

>>2540540
I know I will sound like a jack-ass for asking this, but what do you folks recommend a complete beginner (who wishes to learn how to draw anthropomorphic figures) start with?

>Substandard Cartooned Drawing included

>>2541748

How did you end up on /ic/?

>>2541748

http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

also, Loomis

>nice tits

>>2541748
LOOMIS
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>>2541756
Thanks, Andrew Loomis, Right?

>>2541755
Circumstances, desperation, and envy...
Yes, my life is as bad as it sounds.

>>2541721
Yo she cute as fuck

Some gestures. I've got figure drawing by Michael Hampton, so I'm going to start applying what I learn from there as I go through the book.

>>2541854

I also looked at the first Proko video for drawing heads. I'm realizing I'm having a hard time acclimated to a tablet and stylus. It's easy for me to adjust how I hold my pencil so I can draw bigger, but I have a hard time doing it with a stylus.

How the hell do I draw big with a stylus? Do I have to keep any part of my hand from resting on my tablet so my hand doesn't drag across it? It's really frustrating when I can get all right shapes and lines on paper, and then they all look extremely squiggly and misshapen on a tablet.

I just want to know because I'm going to fill out a sheet with a bunch of fucking circles so they don't look all mutated when I draw them.

>>2541674
I think the issue I have more is re-creating the density and the feeling of the leaves. It's giving me a headache too. What should I be looking at to help me with this? traditional painting techniques for leaves

>>2541867
Fuck.. heres the fixed values

>>2541868
When painting individual trees, I was told to understand foliage as 3d shapes. In a forest, I believe it might be better to treat it as "layers".

Look at your ref. For each layer of trunks you painted, try to identify the relative amount of leaves on the same level as these trunks, as well as their general shape and color. Consider how much variance there is between the darkest and lightest leaves - in some forest environments, because so much of the light is diffuse, there really aren't a lot of shadows in the leaves' mass.

Also keep in mind that environment compositions generally tend to have lowest contrasts in the background, and highest contrasts in the foreground. This might affect each layer of leaves to a separate degree, which isn't something I see happening in what you painted (it looks like all the leaves have equally disorderly contrasts). Don't be afraid to fog up your set with a soft brush - it's super easy to do if you work in layers.


For other stuff, palette is closer to life, though your highlights on the trees are much too pronounced (trees are rough, not glossy) and should be done with a soft brush, over a larger area.

study i did to get more efficient with brushwork

>>2541856
Don't call it "gesture" if you're not drawing gesture.

>>2541880
and here's the ref

>>2541880
Try starting with bigger brushes, and creating stronger value contrasts in your initial layout by using darker and lighter colors, as well as a harder brush (you can blend with opacity, but the edge of the brush should be hard).

Your initial block out of the forms and textures is still done with too small of a brush, which causes the picture to look too even and lack dynamism.

>>2541886
yeah i realized my 'bottom' colors were too light to get the right contrast. oh well im pleased since it took less than 2 hours

first time painting anything. am i on the right track?

I need a critique for this please.

>>2541892
The Ref

>>2541879
thanks senpai. Will try this <3

>>2541892
im no expert but i think her 'lumbar'
curve is a little high

>>2541889
im no expert but since this is greyscale and not color its still considered a drawing, like how it would with pencil and push. but youre not afraid to push your values so thats good

>>2541892
You didn't picture your head in 3d. Notice that it's tilted downwards in your ref so you end up seeing more of the top plane, and the front plane/"face" part moves more to the bottom while being compressed slightly.

In your drawing the features and hairline are placed as if the face's tilt was parallel to the horizon.

>>2541895
Just slightly, Thanks for pointing that out!

>>2541896
>>2541896
Head is a weak point that I'll point more focus on from now on.

So there's a bunch of resources on figure and head drawing (in fact, the sticky's full of them). Anyone know books on landscape/environment?

>>2541892
Pay attention how the body parts align, in what distance and angle they relate to another.

>>2541915
Try the book thread. I have a couple books on architecture drawing and urban sketching in my folder so if you don't find anything then tell me and I'll upload it somewhere.

Tbh it's best just to go out and sketch to learn this, find a random bench in the city and just draw what you see. All the skills you learn by drawing people carry over to drawing anything.

>>2541915
i just finished reading james gurney color and light and i started reading alla prima be richard schmid. both seem helpful though they arent landscspe specific. theyre both in the first post of the artbook thread

took me 20 moinutes

>>2541856
Great work, but gesture drawings are more fluid. Think single line pieces. These are nice wire studies, but a gesture will not only show the pose, but the full body of a person while still retaining the wire frame.

>>2541880
This is really nice, I like where it's going. My recommendation would be to try studying furs, figuring out how drawing them is easier for you since digital art can be done several ways depending on your style. The colors look nice but I agree with >>2541886 but keep going, you're doing great!

>>2541942
Great start, but looking at a reference will help you. You've got the basics, but you're forgetting certain anatomy structure in the neck and layout of the face. Colors are a bit odd lineart wise but it lends an interesting pop to draw the eye over the figure.

>>2541719
so are these okay?

Is there any tutorial where I could learn some simple style or something? I just want to drawfag around on 4chins, but I cannot draw for my life.
Two only decent-ish drawing I did was drawn pencil or with webbing pencil on Deviantart because I could make it actually smooth enough to not look utterly shit.

>>2542152
There's no easy way out faggot, do the fundies already.

A year ago, I posted shitty anatomy studies in the beginner thread. Ive barely improved, but now Ive began writing light novels and doing the art for them. I hope I can fulfill my weeb dream and work on a writing team for an anime studio in japan. But I'm still going to engineer school, so hopefully I get some oriental email one day.

And to the guy that told me I should write comics, and pay an artist to illustrate them for me. You were... half right, or maybe right in a way, but leaning between a 60-75% right.

Wish me luck, 2014 beginner thread fag here.

>>2542170
follow your dreams motherfucker

>>2542170
Make me proud, anon. I'll be waiting.

im currently on my fundies and basics
when should one start with figure drawing and later on body construction?

>>2542214
Whenever you want
Focus what you want to do

>>2542170
if you don't finish your dreams before you die im shitting in your coffin

>>2540565
fuck this girl, spent 1 hour trying to find the correct head form, i give up and pass to another

>>2541966
All right, thank your for the input. I'll work on that when I do them next time.

I want to work digitally and I'm getting a bit frustrated with Draw A Box, would I be doing myself a disservice by jumping around the lessons and working digitally?

I understand what he's trying to teach with his PEN AND PAPER ONLY routine but some of the exercises become a total clusterfuck of lines if you can't use a pencil for the construction.

I'm also questioning the feedback, as it all seems fairly cookie cutter. You can probably self-critique by comparing your work to other submissions on the sub reddit and inferring what you're lacking.

>>2542308
You make me laugh. You think you're better than those lessons? No, you aren't. Do them in pen and enjoy it. An artist's frustration is with him for life. Once you can master it on paper, you can transition to digital. All the lessons build on each other too so jumping around would show inpatience. You need a lot of patience if you want to make it.

>>2542254
same

>>2542152

Your idea of a 'drawing style' is a misunderstanding of what goes into a drawing. Realism comes before style. There is no substitute for understanding what you're doing. Even simple well-made drawings are usually done by people who are surprisingly competent at drawing realistically. A style can appear to be more simple than realistic drawings, but still has to obey those rules and depends upon knowledge of the real structures and forms, to a certain extent. The rules of perspective and value always apply as well. You need to understand things before you start bending them, there's a fine line between 'stylized' and 'broken'.

You have to put the work in, there's no way around it. If you try to cut corners you will go nowhere. You'll end up like those people in the progress thread who don't improve for years and years because they can't be bothered to learn anything. Go read the sticky, and just start putting the time in. Just make it something you work on for a while every day. If you really don't care that much that you can't be arsed to put any work in at all, drawing is not for you. Drawing is fun, but it's also work. It can be a very difficult problem solving exercise, and is very demanding in terms of focus. If you're not prepared to do it right, do yourself a favor and don't bother at all. Find something you're willing to work on.

>>2542315
other anon here
accidentally noticed the pen part after the first two lessons and used a pencil

am i going to hell?

also iam having a hard time finding good refs for prokos bean practice to get started on figure drawing

>>2542357
fuck me already

further googled and found something beginner friendly finally, sorry for shitposting

I have problems doing a nice transition when im blending, can some1 help me please?

>>2540614
That's getting pretty good, but the head is kina wonky

i think the cranium is too small, looks like he has a tiny head hidden under that hat, make everything from his lips up a bit bigger too

>plug in tablet
>turn on PS
>pen pressure doesn't work
>restart
>update drivers
>still doesn't work

I fucking hate computers.

>>2541673
Any advice ?

>>2541673
>>2542470
Anatomy and gesture, duh.

>>2541599
i kno this might not mean much but thanks anon
you helped beginners like me a lot
shame about the wiki though

>>2542374
Whoa, what the fuck? Thought that was a photo.

>>2542459
The latest win 10 update fucked everything up btw. The new ink workspace bullshit fucking interferes with the tablet and there is no way to disable it.

>>2542574
>tfw auto updates
Win10never

>>2542577
I would go back to 7 if it wasn't a time consuming pain in the ass. Guess I'm not doing any digital work for a while until those fucking faggots fix their bullshit.

>>2542605
How long ago did you go to windows 10 anon ?

>>2542574
>>2542577
>>2542605
>>2542615
Windows 10 fucked my computer too!

How does one not chickenscratch the fuck out of everything

>>2542653

By not being sloppy and lazy

>>2542653

>>2542630
>window 10
i wish i was rich

>>2542683
upgrading is free bro..

>>2542491
Okay, got it. Any specific part of anatomy that I need to work on based on what you see ?

>>2541090
>judging a ms paint draw
>i'm a noob
kek

>>2541693
you can always add some "filters" of color for the light

>>2542684
not in Canada.

>>2542742
Are you Canadian, Nose Bro?

>>2541719
>>2541999
Bro drop the drawing from your imagination that's really difficult and beyond current level. You're focusing way too hard on drawing the contours and they come out really stiff because there's no rhythm or gesture. On top of that there's no sense of 3d form they're all just flat drawings. Use references and look up resources about figure drawings and gesture. Stop drawing these robot women.

>>2542752
>no gesture
ok youre right
>contours, looks flat
i had the construction layer hidden and theres no values of course it looks flat

are they at least anatomically correct? it seems that drawing looser figures is something that comes after learning the anatomy. and i must see these attempts are a massive improvement on what i was doing before

>>2542767
I mean there's more to anatomy than just drawing the contours of the body. I don't see the point of hiding your construction and landmarks of the body if this isn't a finished drawing because no one will be able to tell if you understand your anatomy. If you're talking about proportions then I think they most of them look a little short to me but it's still believable. Most of your figures look about 5-6 heads tall and I believe the ideal height is around 7-8.

>>2540540
I came up with this under an hour. I'll be uploading the reference shortly. Feel free to leave some criticism.

>>2542811

>>2542748
désolée.

>>2542572
Thanks, i have been practicing some still life stuff but i still dont get how to blend correctly. The imagination part is difficult also.

>>2541627
if you cant draw smooth lines and you're trying to grasp drawing the head in perspective you need to seriously fuck off and do something else as a hobby

>>2542813
Oh fuck you're from Quebec? That explains a lot.

>>2542802
uh you mean like how my drawing have 7-8 heads?

ill post the construction in a sec

>>2542844
fuck

>>2542844
>>2542846
i mean most of the key proportions are there. elbows to navel, hands to cock, 2 heads per upper leg/low leg, 3 heads for hips neck, torso, etc. also the poses were deliberatly in that i was trying to imitate figure refs from artspixelovely and do a few that were a little more complicated than 'front-view-standing-with-arm-slightly-bent'

anyways if these check out (im sure youll find a foot thats off 7 degrees that completely ruins the whole thing) i might paint a few and see how much detail i can get from memory

>>2542846
Your figures don't look 6 heads tall, the rest of the feedback was on point but idk what that anon was smoking.

The way you're estimating height is wrong, though. If somebody is leaning towards the camera, and you lay out the head as a flat measure on the paper, it's obviously not gonna line up. You gotta account for perspective (so your "seven" head drawing looks fine to me, but the way you calculated the height of it is wrong).

>>2542881
Yeah fuck lol I was just eyeballing it but you guys are right.

>>2542881
i attempted that but i was rushing so i went about it in a meh fashion. so is it worth it to procede or not

if anyone's looking for a tablet, amazon has the intuos pro medium for $279 right now when bundled with a case

>>2542899
Is that supposed to be cheap?

>>2542900
it's about $70 under the RRP, so if you were considering buying that tablet then now might be a good time to do it

>>2542899
when dont you post the link cocklord

>>2542653
by drawing with your elbow or shoulder and ghosting lines/shapes before putting them down on the paper. Use the overhand grip when drawing with a pencil too.

>>2542811
rotate, resize, then repost.

i tryd

>>2542908
just search for intuos pro medium and select the case bundle (for some reason it's cheaper with the case than standalone)

>>2542950
this isnt for me, i already have a large.

Anatomy is my weak point, but im working on it. How do?

What do you call it when you've been studying half heartedly for ten years, practicing irregularly, and still kinda suck?
Like an experienced person with beginner skills?
Cause that's me.

>>2542653
I'd recommend going hard at it like you did on that pic with a pencil, not a pen, and going at it very lightly. Then only really press firmly for your final lines.

>>2542985
I believe they call that a hobbyist.

>>2542980
What's up with the right cheek?

>>2540565
eh

>>2540567

>>2542980
got some hampton jaw going on

>>2543031
You need to look for the corners of the face, right now your lack of a delimitation between front and side plane is causing your face to spill all over the place like a ditto.

These guys hiss at me every day on my way to and from work. Still beautiful creatures.

Any tips?

>>2543126
get a new camera

I'm currently trying to get my lips to look right, I can draw female lips good (for my current skill level) but whenever I try to draw male lips they look wayy too feminine. What am I missing?

So, applying what I've learned so far, and trying to think in layers, applying fog and dulling colors to show distance, but I'm still not getting something. sorry for being a bother friends, I'm just really invested in this. As always, any help is appreciated

>>2540572
be gentle

>>2543126
A great start! The anatomy of the head to body looks fantastic. I know drawing wings are hard, but if you can look at studies or photos. The reference of how the feathers fall and the anatomy of a wing will add a ton of depth. Geese are little assholes, so maybe bribe them to get close with some treats.

>>2543148
Don't be afraid to experiment with how much a pose can go. Adding a little extension, more of a movement in the pose will enhance it to look more lifelike in the photo rather than just a still life practice. Obviously, you're practicing, but it looks good. My last offer would to also look at the length of the torso; it's feeling a little short from her shoulder to ribs then from the ribs to the hips. It's also lending to the fact the curved side on the left isn't as sloped as the photo.

>>2543126
Make sure you're paying attention to the anatomy and how the feathers attach. The near feathers get too short too distally.

Gorgun from enter the gungeon
This sketch is not finished

I'm trying to work on my gesture more based on the criticisms I got from last time. Is this any better?

>>2543204
Hold up, I forgot to resize.

>>2542922
I know alot of skateboard companys who would pay for designs like this, all messy and gritty like that.

>>2543205
I was the anon who gave you crit. I can see the improvement although it's minimal. They're still a tad complicated for gestures. The file attached is from an artist from conceptart, who's gestures I'm quite fond of. You're working the poses to look more lifelike, but they're still wirey, boxy. Don't be afraid to push and force a pose to give it some life.

>>2543213
Apologies for not resizing the picture, it's quite late and I'm heading to bed, but good luck on your work, friend.
>>2543213

>>2543213
All right, thanks. I'll keep that in mind when I do them next time.

>>2543148
how can i correct you when redlines mean its accurate?

>>2541627
As obnoxious as Nose is, I wish this time he'd unleash his mercilessness on your sorry ass for having this attitude.

>>2542833
completely unrelated subjects.

>>2543250
you really should work on line quality and efficiency with standard circles and cursive and shit, basically just try you're best not to go over lines, do more with less.

I won't say ditch the manga style until you have a firm grasp on fundamentals because I'm an asshole, I will say that trying to maintain that kind of style while trying to do perspective and life studies will probably make things difficult.

>>2543262
be an asshole, then

if he doesn't grasp how thing work in a realistic 3d space his stylized works are forever going to be dogshit rofl

everything comes from life whether or not you're a human photocopier or le chinese cartoons

I have some experience with pencil and paper, but it has been only a few days since I start practicing digitally.

I realize that more practice is required but I would appreciate any tips or pointer.

>>2543307
Ref used, apart from colour picking, is there any other major issues?

>>2543307
You seem to be doing the details before you finish the bigger picture. I would suggest you start with a base color first then start adding in the shades and highlights. This would also help you get the general shape right before commiting too far.

>>2540565
Good as I can do with mechanical pencil

>>2542577
> close PS
> start menu
> Search "services"
> Open services
> find "Wacom....."
> right click
> select restart
> open PS
>???
> $$Profit$$

>>2543249
I don't see the big deal. I was annoyed that it wasn't turning out right. So I was chicken scratching. Who fucking cares?

>>2542574
Fuck I was wondering what happened to my tablet. I fixed it though, hopefully it stays that way.

>>2542742
It actually is. I upgraded to 10 from 7 for free in Canada.

i tried to do a self portrait with just a palate knife and this is as far as i got before my palate knife broke. i think it looks nice. opinions/critique/tell me it's pretty ?

>>2543524
nice pic bro.

>>2543526
fuk. also i used a tiny bit of pencil just to make it a bit easier

>>2543528
kms

>>2543495
yeah
i didnt have problems with it so far but people can be quiet overzealous here sometimes,

MOAR BRIDGMAN

Hey guys, pic related is what I spent about 6 hours on.. It used to look a lot more rendered until I realized I constructed it completely wrong.

So I used the lasso tool and rearranged some parts and pretty much washed everything over with base tone again. Hit me pretty hard tbqh. This is the longest time I spent on a study.

What are your tips for preventing this kind of shit? I know now to check my proportions and lines. It seems stupid now.

>>2543582

I would say practice constructing the thing before a few times in a smaller scale, to get a feeling of the forms, it's not a good idea to jump straight into a 6 hour drawing without a little warmup study/gesture

>>2543528
>>2543532
are you mystique's brother?

>>2543597
i picked blue because regular skin color felt boring, and i wanted to work more on actually fucking aroun w/ paint on paper and not so much time mixing the paint yeh

>>2543582
You're using too small brush too early on, also take the canvas flip it, rotate it, shrink it to check if it looks right

>>2543605
>>2543591
>bigger brush
I've heard this before, could you explain why?
>practice constructing
Yeah good idea. I only did one and pretty much ran with that - started painting on a new layer right after. Thumbnails would definitely help, now that I think about it.

>>2543610
the reason you're spending 6 hours on it is because you're using a small brush to do a big brush job.

>>2543618
I guess I was moreso asking about the 'look' that bigger brushes produce. I've always admired the studies of really accomplished digital painters, they left out the finer details but altogether it screams accuracy.

I wish I knew when to go lower in terms of brush size. Somebody once tried explaining it to me as being:
>big brush for base tone
>medium brush for shadows/values
>small brush for highlights

>>2543518
that's odd, my local store made me pay 254.99 + tax for the upgrade from windows 7 to 10.

>>2543640
>local store
What you talking about man lol? You can just update from 7 to 10 from your own computer. You don't have to go anywhere. Take advantage of it because I think it ends in September. Fucking people trying to scam you.

>>2543642
I already payed. He said he gave me a deal down from 359.99$. I saved 100 bucks faggot.

>>2543646
You got fucked Nose bro

>>2543646
sounds like scam
was the salesman actually sitting infront of the store with a paperbag on its head? yeah, thats the gangsign of the scammers

>>2543646
Welp. You got scammed. Checking newegg it looks like you can pick up a new copy of windows 10 for 119.99. Jesus.

>>2543651
You made me doubt myself so I sent him a text message and he says I payed for the "black edition" which is why my background is black. Stop being jealous of my savings already.

>>2543646
lmao that best buy employee probably pocketed that money because you are a dumb fuk and all he did was press a few buttons.

>>2543655
>>2543653
it wasnt a scam you retards. My whole family got the black edition.

>>2543657
it wasnt best buy, it was at my local techshop, would say the name but id get doxxed.

>yfw this actually happened

>>2543656
>>2543658
>>2543661
Haha, yeah, This is funny.

>>2543656
>>2543658
more like the cuck edition.

>>2543663
not me. Dont fucking laugh just because you dont have a trusted tech.

Will the real nose bro pls stand up?

>>2543668
hey it's me your trusty tech man if you send me another $254.99 I can upgrade your windows 10 to the white edition

>>2543668
Honestly you are probably you, I'm just doing this because namefags without trips are pointless and to be made a mockery of

Just embrace the trip. If you're gonna be a faggot, don't think you can meet a halfway point and please everybody. Go full faggot.

Hey guys, heard some of you are interested in a copy of windows 10. I'll give you $100 discount and sell you a copy for $254.99 + tax. It's the black edition which makes everything look black. Replay back if interested.

>>2543678
>>2543674
>>2543664
>>2543671
You know I'm not gonna respond if you keep laughing at me. None of you have the black edition so you can fuck off. Plus, I can use 2 different browsers at the same time (chrome and firefox) since he set that up too.

Seriously stop shitposting.

>>2543682
>>2543678
>>2543674
holy shit this is the beginners thread and not the "your personal vendetta/anit nose agenda" thread

>>2543685
Actually you can use 3 since I also setup Microsoft Edge for you.

>>2543682

Honestly, It's become an addiction. This one I tampered with FOV, even though I know that its just a cheap trick to make weak artist stronger. What should my next step focus be?

>>2543694
See? This is why you get the black edition. It comes with windows defender so you don't get any bugs.

>>2543694
What commie language is this? Pay me an extra $100 and I'll give you the english version.

head from imagination
critique pls