/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Didn't know op pic was so small

>>2502607
part 2 pls

Hacked together from imagination and multiple references, also wanted to try doing a dynamic pose. I feel like her figure is too stiff, wanted to give an impression of her 'falling' or as if she's mid-flight from a jump.

Little figure on the bottom left is the quick figure drawing I based this off, would appreciate any feedback on how to fix this (and how to make her face more expressive? I feel like I need to bring her eyebrows together more and make her snarl...)

In the process of drawing her second arm too

chick and gun, no ref. what should i focus studies on?

>>2502664
those arms look comically short

>>2502664
Maybe do something with the hair falls a bit short

does anyone have that sheet of various animu orgasm faces? im not sure if ive found it here last time but maybe someone has it. it was in black an white. thanks

>>2502670
>>2502673
God damn.
Better or nah

>>2502691
I feel like her torso is too twisted anon, her torso is almost at a 90 degree angle to her hips, pretty sure that would end up in a broken spine

>>2502694
yet more figure studies i suppose then -_-

>>2502696
Have you tried using a reference? That would help tons as well as figure studies

>>2502605
>2502605
i aint drawing no chad thundercock niggger. i am loya to my Robobros

>>2502698
i have a long term goal to be able to draw a half decent stylised figure from imagination

>>2502704
Get a good visual library, get better at doing figure drawings and life drawings, study some superifical muscular anatomy and then trying doing stylised figures. You're better off learning the fundamentals really well rather than jumping headfirst into 'stylised figures' like this

>>2502711
He can do both simultaneously. He'll learn more by trying and failing at imaginative pieces while learning from studies in between than he would if he just did studies then magically expected himself to be able to do the same without any ref.

>>2502607
>>2502620
is it just me or are the end results for these tutorials kinda bad?

this took me 10 minutes

>>2502799
it was charming the first time but really read the sticky

Tried my hand at the texturing exercise in draw a box. Unimaginative choice of textures, as I just used the ones in the exercise. Not bad for a warm up, I think, but doing this with a pen like this is so annoyingly tough.

>>2502664

>no ref

Stop this

If you want to practice properly, you should be doing studies from figure construction books, photos, casts, and models, and you should be taking the time to do them accurately and clean.

If you really need to draw something from imagination, use references to check the accuracy of everything in your drawing.

IMO If you can't even draw clean lines, you should be going through Drawabox and Keys to Drawing, not trying to draw figures from imagination, which is one of the most difficult things you can do in drawing.

>>2502604

doing portraits is the best way to remember you're still bad at drawing

>>2502842
Anyone can give me a word on this?

>>2502857
symbol drawing etc.

>>2502765
they are.

>>2502597
Gesture Drawings.

>>2502991

>>2502993
last one

>>2502994
Is it me or do these not flow as gracefully as they should?

>>2502875

am I on the right direction to fight this symbol bullshit drawing? This is kinda frustrating familia

>>2502819
yeah i've been going to a life drawing session once a week for a year, and the past month or so 2 hours most days of figure drawing on new masters academy. Should do more still lives tho, might see where i'm at in another month. My lines in my imaginative drawings get cleaner as i get more understanding of the object...imaginative faces from 2 months ago are a mess.

>>2503024
Try turning the picture upside down and drawing it.
The trick is not to see parts of the image as an "eye" or a "nose," but as a "curve kind of like an S" or a "right triangle" or an "ellipse".

So, is gesture drawing the first step to figure drawing?

>>2503024
in this episode of things I didn't read, the sticky:

"Eyelashes do not go upwards: The most common piece of symbol drawing is found in the eyes. Often times, people put eyelashes directly up/down, however, it should be noted that eyelashes actually go outwards. They do not go towards the side (this is an illusion caused by having a round surface, so things in the distance have more opportunities to stick out and take space. Don’t believe me? Look at an eye in profile. All going the same direction, and it’s not upwards. All upward-ness is caused by the make-up mascara whores exaggerating their upwards tilt. Also, fucking clump your eyelash strands together you degenerate."

>>2503098
u said last thread that you didn't like that picture??

>>2503024
Adding details is the exactopposite of what you want to do to combat symbol drawing.

>>2503101
i said that i didnt like the EYE i was talking about. I love this picture. it explains quite a bit. I Fixed it from another version which has been phased out.

>>2503110
the eye was a post i was linking to just to be clear. not the guys eye.

>>2503098
lol that title

it's better to draw without eyes than without brain

>>2503121
aaaaaand..
you completely missed the meaning


read the sticky

What program could I use that isn't photoshop or Illustrator? I dream of being a resident drawfag but it's not worth $30/month for each.

I have gimp but is that enough?

>>2503126
There's no reason for you to buy software if you're just a beginner. (In my opinion of course)

I don't draw digitaly myself, but I read some anons recommending Clip Studio Paint
If you're completely against piracy, this would be a much cheaper purchase. (You can get a free trial as well)

i sketched something from imagination for a change since i always use refs. I think I actually got a little better. I've been practicing skulls a lot lately trying to learn to set the eyes properly especially in 3/4, so how did I do?

>>2502691
is that glorious sheev I see there

>>2502859
Finish the drawing. You have a faceless blob made of hairy lines with unnecessary construction lines. The proportions are way off. I really don't know what you are expecting people to tell you. I have a hunch that you should be drawing a lot more and not trying to tweak every little part of a sketch like that to perfection. You need to be making dozens of those things a day at least.

>>2502991
>>2502993
>>2502994
These seem like simplified contour drawings and not proper gesture drawings.

>>2503126
I've used most of the popular programs, and the thing to keep in mind is they are all very powerful compared to traditional tools. They are the Formula 1 racecars to your cheap Hondas sedans, and if you don't even know how to drive yet they present a lot of extra challenges you're better off without. Learning to draw traditionally lets you focus on what matters and lets you take a sketchbook around with you to draw from life, which is very helpful.

I use Clip Studio Paint and GIMP on Linux and I can switch between without feeling like I'm loosing anything. Almost all of the techniques that matter can be used in most programs. CSP goes on sale every now and then for $15, but it's worth the $50. Whatever you go with the limiting factor is almost always your own abilities.

>>2503164
Those lines are very hairy. The shading makes no sense at all. Squint at that and a ref in the same position and note where the darkest places on the ref are. Her bangs and lips are the only things that have any hint of depth. The pupil on her right eye isn't even in the center of the iris and I can't even tell what's going on with her eyelids.

>>2503183
>simplified contour drawings
cross contours clearly showing volume
lines going in front of each other clearly showing interlocking forms

>not proper gesture drawings
except that they do focus on showing gesture, even if it's not executed that well

>Squint at that and a ref in the same position
from imagination

>The shading makes no sense
no shading besides the underside of hair which does make sense.

stop giving advice, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and you didn't even bother to read the posts you replied to.

>>2503200
>from imagination
Yes, I read that. What makes you think I didn't? It's still wrong, and a good way to fix that would be to use a ref as I suggested.
>no shading besides the underside of hair which does make sense
No, it doesn't. Even if you were going for an anime style that's not how you'd handle shading at all. That drawing is wrong on a lot of levels but that one fucks up the thumbnail the most. That poster asked about the eyes specifically and those aren't even drawn clearly enough to identify their component parts.

>except that they do focus on showing gesture, even if it's not executed that well
Those drawings don't show what I understand gesture to be, but I admit figure drawing isn't my forte. The third drawing in particular seems like forms thrown together without any cohesion. Maybe you see the action of the figure in them, but I don't. My understanding of this is from Proko and Vilppu, and they go out of their way to differentiate gesture from contour drawings.
https://youtu.be/74HR59yFZ7Y?t=34

>stop giving advice, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about
I am just a beginner. Please tell me how I'm wrong.

Anyone have any good frowning faces to draw? Google isn't giving many good models to work from.

>>2503225
Get a mirror and imagine a world without your favorite thing.

heres a frowning face i drew(top left), and some gestures and skin tones..

how did i do?

>>2503239
That would work if i didnt have an ugly asss face to draw from.

There's one thing I'm confused about re: perspective, the field of vision/focal length. How do I know if I'm drawing something in a 100mm, 65mm, 35mm etc focal length? What are the controlling factors, distance between VPs?

Am i getting the hang of it? the bottom right is my 4th try and after getting some advice about facial proportions. the 2 on the left have their eyes wayyy to apart and the lips are soooo either big or small.

What can i do to improve at this? I know doing this will help me improve technically and that's what I want. But i feel if i keep doing the same wrong things over and over ima just become worse?

So I'm getting completely owned on my attempt at figuring out fur. I've been working on this for four hours or so, and my eyes are wigging out, could somebody help me figure out what I'm doing wrong? Is it just that I don't understand light as well as I should yet?

http://cgcookie.deviantart.com/art/Painting-Fur-Step-by-Step-Guide-604397563

>>2503300
i like them but.... AYYYYYY LE MAYO

First (day) drawing

>>2503328
symbol drawing blah blah blah

>>2503332
Im going back to Loomis then

>>2503334
You have a sense of construction which is good. Loomis aids in helping eliminate symbol drawing but really the best way to get over it is to just keep drawing. Even when you know that you're symbol drawing, but make an attempt not to. It goes away slowly.

>>2502638
of course she looks stiff, she IS stiff.
people who fall (intentionally) tend to bend their torso as well. You made her pose more like a pinup model than a warrior.

>>2503328
I JUST FUCKING TOLD THIS GUY
>>2503098

Is it worth buying/making a drawing board if you're just starting out?

>>2502757
so he should be coming here with every single one of them so we can tell him they look like shit?
if he had a grasp on the fundamentals he wouldn't be doing such shit work in the first place

>>2503343
literally get a fucking plank and make one. It's not like it's a cintiq or something.
Do you know why people use drawing boards?

>>2503348
>literally get a fucking plank and make one.
Well, I know, I didn't say it was hard.

>Do you know why people use drawing boards?
More accuracy/comfort?

Sorry, as I was saying, I'm just starting out.

>>2503341
Thanks anon! Decided to start this over and focus more on exaggerating her pose to get rid of that stiffness, will post update shortly

>>2503024
>>2503328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUM3SHNCfpM

>>2503343
Larger drawings can appear distorted if the corners on the far side are farther away from your eyes than the near side, and angling the drawing surface fixes that problem. It also makes using an overhand grip easier. I use a cheap sheet of MDF I cut to 24"x18" for newsprint and 18"x12" for a smaller drawing pad. I put those in my lap and lean them against my desk when I want an angled surface, but most of the time I just use cheap copy paper on a clipboard on a flat surface. It's really personal preference.

Photo study

>>2503177
>sheev
what's sheev

Please teach me how to draw hands better. I've been practicing for the longest time and I feel like I'm not improving.

alright since my imaginative figures pissed people off, have a drapery study

>>2503409
Learn the underlying bones ligaments etc
No one said it would be easy

>>2503493
Everything looks flat. Don't try to shade until you learn how to refrain from symbol drawing.

uSe 3D ShaPeS

>>2503318
The thing with fur (and hair) in general is that is doesn't always have to be super intricate to look good. It doesn't look like you're going for a realistic sketch, so if it doesn't trigger you too much, you may want to check out some good furry artists and see how they do it.

>>2502620
>>2502607

Why do these people make tutorials
Their stuff looks shit tier and can screw beginners up

>>2503506
righto

another photo study 2503788

>>2502597

>>2503692
Now do it again with only 10 lines

after many attempts I have concluded that drawing is actually impossible for human beings to learn, and that all artists are in fact aliens from a foreign world

Alright so I got my Tablet this Monday and I have some issues with Paint Tool Sai. When in Photoshop on my 4000x4000 300dpi canvas my pen strokes look nice and smooth. However in Paint Tool Sai with the same settings my pen strokes look extremely jagged. Could anyone help me out with that? Is there a setting I need to change?

>>2503728
ayy lmao, this one has found out!

Any comments?

>>2503326
L O L so they look like aliens. goddamn goddamn haha

>>2503766
you want to curve the middle line of the face. usually it's drawn coming from the back, as if you were going around the sphere with your pencil in 3d space. also, the proportions on your facial features are a bit off. the bottom of the nose (where the flesh connects to the face physically, not just the lowest point graphically) is aligned with the bottom of the cut-away part on the side, the ellipse.

i would recommend drawing these from references of well done loomis heads if you can. try to follow the process as best you can but also note where you're going wrong from the reference. it's hard to just freehand them from the get go and have it look alright.

>>2503709
back to loomis

>>2503766
Draw way bigger and/or use a finer utensil (sharpen your pencil)

Just started Loomis today. I have a feeling that I tried to do too many faces at once and didn't take it slowly. any advice is very much appreciated.

>>2503884
I feel very embarrassed by it. It looks like a first grader drew it.

>>2502809
the way I think like micron or regular pen works best is if you just block in the darkest areas because it's hard to get lighter shades of it at least for me without cross hatching

I know I fucked her left arm, but crit on anything else?
Did with china marker, or whatever it's called in like 10 minutes or something

>>2503828
whats wrong with it

>>2503886

>>2503766

stop drawing from that angle now, before it's too late.

drawing bullshit angles will make your 3/4 view better, but the opposite is not true.

>>2503913
Thank you very much for that, anon.

>>2503532
Nicely done, I really like the way you're rendering.

i don't think i understand what i'm doing and my work is very sloppy

>>2503999
Better than most I've seen on that exercise, and to be honest it's mostly faff. What he teaches earlier is way more important.

Confident lines come with mileage in addition to a conscious effort to make confident lines. Remember to ghost.

Looking back at things and this is my 2-month progress. I draw multiple pages every day yet I feel like I am not improving as fast as I should. Anyone have any pointers (in general)?

>>2504012
I've been ghosting always and trying to go at a speed that isn't wobbly or terribly off. I feel like a child or a retard when I consistently can't make straight lines or ellipses. is it possible that I'm too retarded to do art? I've been trying my best at drawabox, since Loomis's Fun with a Pencil is too advanced for me. My heads are on par with >>2503884

>>2504016
i'd love to improve that much after two months. keep at it anon!

>>2504034

>>2504023
It's good to know that someone else is in the same position as me. We can do it.

>>2503925
Decided to draw this little guy because why not? His head is odd and his right leg is fucked up

Someone recommended that I start off with contour drawing if my fun with a pencil drawings aren't shaped well enough. Should I do that?

>>2503409

Draw your hands from life in different poses a couple times a day, not super detailed, take 5-10 minutes per sketch so you can understand the form. Then also per day, use the iterative drawing technique, look up Sycra on youtube, and draw about 20 of those.

TL;DR Draw hands a lot.

>>2502607
>>2502620


these tutorials are so bad it hurts, rather than distilling all the information into sizable chunks like you would normally do. You know, figuring out lighting, shadow shapes, edge control etc. he's teaching you to smudge all day.

>>2504061
youre not even looking at your image, if you were youd at least see the but above the head.
>>2504016
youre improving faster than average dont sweat it

>>2504124
Oh crap... didn't notice. Tbh I was under quite a bit of eyestrain at the time and it was dark so I couldn't see much
Also fuck wearing glasses that get dirty every few minutes

>>2503328
This looks like it was traced or transferred. I dont think that sort of practice will develop skills. Draw it free hand and yea you will learn proportion and relations between the features. It will also look more nature.

My first portrait I drew from reference after reading a couple of chapters of Keys to Drawing

Switched to Drawabox since then

Any tips?

>>2504174
Don't slack. It's really not that hard to learn.

No matter what your own skill level is (neophyte, novice, expert, etc), everyone needs life drawing.

>>2504061
what is it?

>>2504190
...was your model wrapped in duct tape?

>>2504190
This reminds me of something my old illustration teacher used to lecture me about. He used to tell me NOT to draw a rough stick figure to sketch out the model, as if it were a normal illustration, because the point "was to train the eye to follow the contours" and restoring to construction techniques bypasses that training.

Anyone else hear that?

>>2504213
Nope, every art teacher I had told me the best way to draw was by doing chicken scratches

>>2504213
>and restoring to construction techniques bypasses that training.
idk about that. That might be true if you're learning sight size technique, I.E. you'll be doing fine art shit and only work from live models/references, but if you wanna do stuff from imagination then you have to construct things.

So one of the tips i got was to focus on facial proportions. So i focused on that a lot more than accuracy or likeness. I dono how i feel about it tho. I feel it isnt as ayyy la mayo as before tho?
thoughts? advice? tips?

i did this for a study of shadows in faces

tried to do some construccion and expressions, tear me apart /ic/. also if you guys could ignore the one on the top right i "fixed" it later

>>2504241
Ew

>>2504213
thats mostly for doing gestures and just training your hands and eyes. its not applicable to a lot of things

What is a good lesson/video/book on figure drawing?

>>2504450
not even trying at this point

>>2503920
alright thanks, i was mostly doing 3/4 just to work with 3D rather than facing directly forward faces

>>2503834
using a mechanical pencil but i guess,

>>2503781
like curve kind of inwards in the jaw area like in pic related? (not my pic)

Is there someplace I can find a big pack of good figure references? Preferably nude. Gender doesn't matter

>>2504489
QuickPoses is usable if you haven't heard of it. Definitely varying in quality but a figure is a figure but I don't know of any other place that has a good concise inventory of figures.

Do professionals (like comic book artists or animation people) still use references?

Do they also always draw their characters naked first before they get to work?

>>2504491
You'll be surprised at how many pros still use references for things. Imaginative drawing is one of the hardest things to do in art. Drawing a character with nothing on it helps set up a good foundation so things like clothing or armor do not defy how the figure is formed under it!

>>2504174
For a first time portrait drawing this is incredibly good anon. Nice job tackling a difficult angle instead of a standard 3/4 view. Your placement of the features is pretty sound and so is your grasp on foreshortening. It still needs work (that ear is all kinds of fucked up) but keep at it man.

>>2504299
Impossible to make out expressions through all that terrible chicken scratching. You also seem to have a habit of skewing everything to the right. Try to focus on making the face symmetrical. Also draw from your shoulder and draw bigger!

symbol drawing fades away so slowly, one day it will be gone

This is my progress since starting in September, symbol drawing's a bitch

My ultimate goal is
drawing people in any angle any action any age any kind of situation

my ultimate goal is
drawing dicks in any angle any action any age any kind of situation

>>2504623
Then draw a fucking dick

>>2504602
Nice improvement anon, but thoses lines are disgusting. You really need to break that chicken scratching habit.
Also, are you using construction to establish your heads? I'm guessing not since I see no rhythm lines and the placement of features are incorrect (ear is too low, eyes too wide, lack of volume in cranium etc.) I think it's time to hit up some Loomis.

My scanner is dying on me

Hey guis, i just did this on my new tablet, im not used to digital so i hope to get some opinions and maybe some ideas of what i should improve on for my next drawing.

>>2503999
tried it again, somehow came out worse. am I getting stupider?

>>2504635
Yeah, I see what you mean, that chicken scratch habit is really hard to break though

>>2502600
Didn't know ballerinas where that /fit/
anyhow my crappy attempt.
Haven't learned faces and decent hands yet. But im working on it

>>2504674
add darker shadows to make it look more detailed but dont go overboard with it and you can use models as a reference and go experiment with your brush settings

>>2504753

Time to go back to basics, your lines are hairy as fuck. You should draw still life and just junk around your house, you have a very poor grasp on form.

>>2502597
>>2503692

How do you keep everything so proportionate?

>>2504808

Oh my god that horrible fucking weeb head on top fucking kills me. Such a gorgeous torso and then you give him a turd for a head.

>>2504819
jellycunt this guy is gonna make it big time if he does yaoi
>>2504808
please work on that head, it looks like it was an afterthought

I hope this wont end up as an anorexic flatchest without hips like last did.
Anything to change before I continue?

>>2504828

Oh my god.

>>2504870
if i remember right thats a gay comic isnt it?

Did I do this right?
Also how do I go about filling in those values in digital? I have no idea what I'm doing

Whenever I sketch I feel like legitimately killing myself
I've only been at this for around a week but everytime I draw I lose motivation midway and go half assed at it
You can see from this that her figure is OK but when it comes to the face I just say 'fuck it' and symbol draw
I can't deal with the fact that I suck so badly and it puts a damper on my mood...

>>2504901
you shouldn't be working on something that detailed for a week

spending a week on shit will obviously kill your motivation

scrap this, start your gesture and anatomy studies and try drawing it again in a couple months

>>2504913
I was a little fed up of studies which is why I started drawing random shit
I'll get back to the books like a good /ic/ child

>>2504774
Thank you friend, will definentely try that

>>2504913
Am I doing gesture drawing like it should be done? I watched proko's vids on the subject and went on quick poses
These are 60 second poses btw

>>2504960
You are drawing stick figures and not gestures. I know that there's "no rules, only tools" but to fully understand the meaning of poses means drawing how it feels, not how it looks. Following the flow of the head down the body to the bottom of the feet (and by extension, the arms).

I would suggest rewatching Proko's gestures and see how radically different yours as compared to how he explains them.

>>2504966
Ah I see what you mean now...Jesus this shit is hard. I'll be continuing on tomorrow
Too many hours spent drawing and I have exams to study for

Do I really have to set out figures like this to learn proper proportions, using heads as measurements and what not or can I just sort of eyeball it? I hate measuring and using rulers when I draw.

>>2504683

You're rushing. Take your time. Think about every line. Go back and do some ghosting exercises.

Playing around with brush settings.

quick little doodle with cheap paint, trying to escape my chickenscratch past.

>>2505010

You have to learn how to do it before you can easily eyeball it

You shouldn't really be taking a ruler to anything and doing exact measurements unless you're doing something like technical design.

Just measure with your pencil and use visual techniques to judge accuracy. Look for negatice shapes, distances, use plumb lines, angles, etc.

>>2504960

this remind me I once asked a friend how was he able to draw so good and he said he learn doing those stick figures when he was a kid it wasn't probably that how he learnt but the fact that he was drawing since kid

>>2505071
Lol I wish that could be the case honestly, it would make for way less stress
Gesture drawing is proving to be hard as fuck for me

>>2505182
It's really difficult for beginners. But what always helps me is remembering that I'm not drawing the contour, I'm drawing the direction and flow of the limbs.

Please critic. Trying to draw feet but please critic anything else you see fit for critiquing

>>2505227
Yeah that's my problem usually. I try to get some of the details of the contour in to compensate for the lack of gesture

>>2505124
nice job with this.

>>2505234
ouch fuck my ankle

practicing dodson's keys to drawing to stop symbol drawing, but i'm having a rough time with sizes, distances and proportions. even simple shapes come out really mismatched in size. i find i revert back to symbol drawing to make shit all fit in together which isn't good. any tips for eyeing up distances?

1st attempt at realism. Any and all critique welcome

>>2504960
how do you have that intense of chicken scratch doing a single line?

Is there anyone that doesn't teach the "idealized" proportions as the base, like Loomis does? I don't want to draw hypermuscular gladiators to be jealous of, that would just add another layer of jealousy to the neverending pile.

>>2505299
work on his skull.

>>2505304
I draw on my lap and at the time I was so frustrated that I thought 'fuck it, all I can do is chicken scratch'
I get angry with myself very easily

>>2503250
make yourself attractive in your drawing for added challenge

this had a lot more detail than i was willing to put the effort in. oh well.

>>2505434

>>2505092
Way too stiff. Work on gesture before focusing on contour/structure. Arms are also slightly too short

>>2505182
>>2505227

Try forgetting the limbs, the hands, the feet, ignore them. Focus on finding the single, strongest line of motion, and do a few sets of just that. So a diver jumping off the diving board would have a single, arcing line. Once you're comfortable with that, and can see the line before you draw it, add another arc for a leg or arm that might branch off of that central motion.

Alternatively, have a read through the gesture portion of this:

http://drawabox.com/lesson/10

almost 2 hours sketch
I'm not a beginner but i always feel like one

>>2505491
Thanks! For some reason I forgot drawabox has gesture

>>2504877
I thought that picture looked familiar

how can i improve this?

>>2505549
ref

>>2505549
where is the bepis

Somehow help me understand why my ellipse game is so shit. Every time I start my arm jerks and makes me flatten an edge, and it's infuriating. I tried drawing from the shoulder, or just the elbow, wrist locked and its really quite annoying. Do I need to just do it more at this point?

>>2505568
This is what they're supposed to look like when you're starting out.

>Do I need to just do it more at this point?
Yes. You will get better. First lesson is to be practiced constantly.
Also, I don't think anyone should draw from the elbow. (I'm not sure, I've never tried it)
Wrist for small details, shoulder for everything else.

Still at it in the value scale/gradation game. Hope I'm getting the hang of it.

>>2505568
Honestly, this is better than most folks I've seen tackle the exercise. reminds me: I should do those lessons on the side...

>>2505497

Man. Everything but the face looks good, to my untrained eye, at least. It goes full anime.

Im about ready to call it on this one. Took me quite a while but im actually kinda proud of this one (rare feeling for me)

Crits are welcomed

>>2505572
>>2505588

Ok, knowing I'm on the right track is good. I'll keep at them every day - thanks!

I know this sounds stupid, but where do I go from here?

I can't paint or use colors because I'm colorblind, and I have no idea how to paint in greyscale, so I would like to do the rest in pencil or pen, except I have no idea where to begin

>>2505592
that looks good
glad you're proud of it

unfortunately I'm a beginner so I can't give critiques

>>2502597
day 5 of anatomy practice, drawin the jaw is hard

>>2504808
measuring, comparing sizes of different body parts, negative spaces. this stuff should be covered in lots of beginners books

>>2503696
I tried it and it was wayyy too hard but you probably meant I'm doing too many little strokes. That probably has a lot to do with how my sketches always end up messy and hard to read. I'm not sure how to construct using less lines. I'll try doing line exercises regularly and see how that turns out

Is this exercise any good for learning shoulder drawing? I have drawn about 5000 "cups". About 50% are still obviously defective (curve is not smooth), and about 10% are complete garbage. This is an improvement from more like 80% defect rate when I first started. Is this normal progress?

Also I am drawing them on a flat desk with a mechanical pencil, but I see artists using sloping desks. Am I learning bad habits with a flat desk?

>>2505712

Anatomy is an advanced subject, and you can barely draw

Sort out your priorities

>>2505731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2505671
If you can't do grayscale, do linework in pen if you like your product, or do grayscale for the sheer practice of it all.

>>2505736
Notch filter this at 3950Hz to make it less painful to listen to.

>>2505762
Actually 3900Hz + the 7800Hz harmonic. And thanks, this is a good video.

Hey guys, I was searching for an appropriate thread but couldn't find one. If y'all could please help me, I'm looking for an art piece that has an apocalyptic feel to it. It was focused on only one person while the background was sky blue, and the character had a meek pose with maybe a gas mask on? I saw it forever ago, but forgot who the artist was. Pls help

>>2505776
Wrong thread, bro.

But Google "Romantically Apocalyptic". Might be it.

Unless you're working with a very large medium, is there any advantage to drawing with shoulder compared to elbow? Elbow just feels a bit more natural.

>>2505787
How is drawing from the elbow even possible? The elbow only has one degree of freedom.

>>2505784
It wasn't it, but thank you. It looked really desolate with only one character. I liked it because of the focus of color that made it look really mad Max-esque but it looked like it was made before mad Max. The pose was something like this. It's a quick sketch of what I remember it looking

>>2505787
Use all of your arm and hand as necessary. Unless you want to damage your arm from wear.

>>2505791
Can't help then, sorry.

any comments?

drawing from right to left because i'm left handed.

trying to draw the head in correct perspective and did some work on the planes but i got really frustrated that the side of the head wasn't right

right now I just draw a cross where the middle of the head is meant to be, drop a line to the bottom of the chin and then work from there. I find it better than starting with the cut off side of the ball as that's just guess work from my experience

>>2503328
you're not really symbol drawing. i get that you're doing it from a reference, and that's okay for a start, but really look at the picture you have. are her eyelashes little lines? no. they're tufts. you've got what it takes.

>>2505948
Your linework is wonky so a lot of those faces look skewed.
The centre line should bisect the face entirely.
The face should be equally separated into thirds horizontally, you've only indicated the brow-line.
Your noses lack volume and look flat. Keep in mind the nose has 4 planes (2 sides, bridge and bottom) and is wedge shaped.
Your mouths are much to small. If you drop a plumb-line from the center of the eyes they should align with the sides of the mouth. I also have no idea what the lines connecting the nose and mouth are meant to represent. The philtrum perhaps? Whatever it is has no anatomical basis.
Eyes lack volume and look like symbols. Remember that the lids are fleshy and 3 dimensional, wrapping around the spherical shape of the eyeball and cornea.

Despite all this you draw the neck very well. It connects to the right places of the skull and has a convincing cylindrical shape.

How would you go about drawing a figure drawing for something like this without it looking stiff?

There's no bends or anything, any attempts I make just come out looking like stick men

>>2506000
A drawing of that pose is going to come out slightly stiff no matter what since the original pose is quite stiff.
I don't know what you mean by 'no bends' though. He's clearly bending his arms and legs. He isn't ramrod straight.

>>2505124
fck you dude :D
(in a positive way) lol

yesterday practice 10 mins

Let's say you are standing at the 20th floor of a 40 floor skyscraper and looking out of the window.

Ahead, there is an identical skyscraper. It is close.

How do you draw the entirety of the skyscraper you are looking at with three point perspective? Is it possible? Do you have to use 4 point for that?

Someone please elaborate with drawings please. My head is about to explode.

I posted this in another thread and didn't get a response. Can i get a critique? its my first time using gouache.

i drew a robot, i don't usually draw mechanical forms. are there any tutorials at how to git gud at machinery/robotics?

>>2505736
For the drawing the 8x lines exercise, how am I supposed to look ahead to the point I'm drawing to? The line goes left to right so my hand is in the way.

>>2506222
Study a bunch of joints like this. They're on everything - construction vehicles, sci fi ships, etc.

I drew a gay digimon

How do you show lines in hair without looking messy?

Was just scribbling in PS and it turned into something I guess.

Tried out drawing Igor Stravinsky upside down. Its shit but im actually pretty surprised with how I did. No head though, because I didnt give myself enough room.

>>2506193
is this not the answer you were looking for

>>2506408
are his eyes fisheyes though? i'm also kind of confused if you could elaborate, and how could you get all of the view of the tower without moving your head

Tried out a spider study today. Still on my first week of drawing.

>>2506492
resize and rotate

>>2506493
Here you go, sorry about that.

ik what thread to post this in

Guys I desperately need criticism.

This is my first post on this board because I didn't even know it even existed. I just bought a Wacom Intuos tablet (about 2 weeks ago) and my parents want me to show them what I have been drawing with it.

I need you guys to tell me if this stuff is even worth showing.

Pic related is my first painting which is a Bob Ross painting that I did as part of this awesome Krita tutorial.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaGRTLvEbVzybijtYZRy4EoGrx6Bq_xOG I had to scale it down 4MB.

>>2506499

>>2506499
>my parents want me to show them what I have been drawing with it

How to make something rough look good without clean up?

What to do when clean up looks bad?

>>2506515
Bitch nigga

>>2506516
>How to make something rough look good without clean up?

>How do I fix something without fixing it?

What?

>>2505497
I like how you chose to render your forms. The subtle outlines in a few areas work well to give the shape some definition while still letting it breathe.

The most glaring flaw I can see is the stiffness of some of the pose's elements, especially the right arm. There's a very subtle curve in your ref, while what you drew stands straight out. The left thigh suffers from the same problem. I tried to redline both to show what I mean.

Your ref's ribcage is also positioned lower than you drew it. If you look at it, the gesture line forms a curve that meets the right arm's curve in a V-shape roughly at the chin.

Also, not gonna address the face too much but the way you left a patch of unfilled white at the back of your neck, just under the head, makes it look like the neck is fused with the body. Separating that might be the start to figuring out the other issues with the head.

Hope this helps.

>>2506516
If your roughs don't look good when cleaned up, it means there are flaws with your underlying anatomy. Simply practice more and it'll happen naturally after a while.

At the stage you're at, you shouldn't be concerned with having a final product that looks good, but with improving and getting more accurate final results.

>>2506499
Dude, your parents are probably gonna be happy with you no matter what if you started drawing two weeks ago and managed to get any kind of results. You've obviously got a way to go like everyone else who's starting out, but this is a lot better than the first thing I drew after getting a tablet.

Are you seriously asking 4chan whether you should show your art to your parents? What do you want us to say?

Can spending too much time drawing from reference images instead of life mess with your understanding of 3D shapes?

I've been at this for a few months and my shit still feels flat.

>>2506532
>Are you seriously asking 4chan whether you should show your art to your parents?
I'm just really self-conscious about my art and I need some sort of validation before I show it anyone that I care about or is important to me.

Anyone got any advice for getting a good likeness of someones face (for drawing celebrities) without just copying it exactly from a referance?

notice the neck of my drawing is not that long or just too thick.
thanks for the feedback.

>>2506551
Quit being a faggot. There's your validation

>>2506551
Expect unconditional support of validation from most of your social circles if your parents or friends are pretty normal people. In my experience just telling randoms you draw will get you positive feedback if they're not artists themselves, but people are reluctant to criticize in casual settings regardless of what they might actually think. Your parents will probably never think you suck if they love you, as long as you don't fuck up majorly, but I don't see how you could be a disappointment yet if you picked up drawing two weeks ago.

Ironically enough, in my short experience here this board is one of the worst places if you're looking for validation. If you're skilled/practiced, people might tell you you are. If you're learning you'll get a mix of genuine feedback and cryptic, unexplained insults.

>>2506561
A good understanding of facial structure and what makes everyone's facial characteristics unique.

I'm afraid there's no cheap tricks on that one.

>>2506526

i didnt connect the feedback. I think with this one i was focusing on render and coloring without color picking. Your feedback made me realize that I also need to improve the flow of action and some form issues and consistency.
thank you

>>2506551
Show them. It's not a masterpiece, but nothing is after two weeks. They probably just want to see that you're actually doing something and using your time well. Then show what you do two weeks from now. You'll have improved, hopefully, and that improvement is the important part and the part that people will notice.

>>2506197

those clouds look great man, the rest is kinda meh

>>2506569
Your rendering actually came out very nice, if that was the main purpose of the exercise. Can't speak too much about the color since I suck at rendering skin myself, but the liberties you took with your warmest tones help it feel more alive, especially considering the difficulties the reference provides.

>>2502664
>>2502691
>>2502704

Learn to draw in 3D, thinking around each part of the figure. Learn the basic shapes first. Then get more detailed as you learn the anatomy.

this took me 60 minutes

>>2505997
thanks for the comments anon

the philtrum yeah. it's the planes of the head from the loomis book but I only started doing it recently. Been working on heads for awhile but I mostly forgo drawing the hair line and extending the center line upwards as I only drop the line down to find the bottom of the chin

>>2506590
Was this from reference? Everything looks passable except for the face, hands and feet.

>>2506000
With stiff figures you're gonna need to exaggerate the hell out of any small gestures you see in the pose - but not too exaggerated where it becomes ridiculous.

>>2506590
I'm liking it famalam

>>2503532
This is nice anon, keep going.

So I started reading fun with a pencil again since drawing the head and hands is 3hard5me
Feel like I'm finally starting to understand how loomis works and beginning to think more in 3D shapes
I think my upwards looking face is off though and would appreciate if someone can tell me how to fix it

>>2506646
I can say for certain you aren't thinking in 3D shapes yet. All of your chins/jaws aren't facing different directions, their side lengths are just skewed to arbitrarily match how you think it should look like. Look at your own jaw in a mirror and see how different it is.

Like look at the third one down on the left side. You didn't even try to make it face how it should.

>>2506658
Eh I just thought this is way better than what I have been doing previously. I tried to fix all the heads but I can still see that they are wrong

>>2506675
In that case, progress is progress.

I'm bad but I want to get better

>be drawing
>out of nowhere feel this urge of crying

I won't cry but still I think I just got clinical depression life's such a joke.

>>2506709
are you female?

>>2506709
you're a fucking faggot

girl or not

>>2506709
Suck it up faggot. I have severe manic depression and I don't post about how I want to cry/die. Put on your big faggot panties and learn to cope.

I really enjoy drawing these more realistic portraits of character's I've created. It's very calming on days where I just fuck up anatomy
I think I made this face too wide though

>>2506725
>that picture
>realistic

You're original character just looks like Johnny Joestar with a beard.

>>2506725
the face width is the only thing right with this picture

>>2506408
What I meant to ask was this;

Is three point perspective only, and only for drawing things that are all either below or above the eye line?

And how would you draw a tall object that is both below and above the eyeline? As a diamond shape that gets smaller and smaller the further you go on either of its sides, and a very sharp middle section?

If I wanted to draw a scenery that has many objects both well above and below the eye line, is it impossible to use the three point system?

>>2506743
I say more realistic because what I normally draw is cartoony shit
I was inspired by Johnny to add this beanie and cape to this character but maybe I'll find a way to make it less obvious in the future
>>2506746
Please elaborate, is it the eyes?

>>2506750
>>2506750
It's everything. Most of it is symbol drawn. Obviously the alt art thread is more suitable for your type of work if you're going down that route.

>>2506300
>hand in the way
I fucking hate this meme.

two paintings in one thread, my spark was been flaring up lately. pic related

Why do I suck?

>>2506794
symbol drawing, draw more from ref

>>2506709
the moment will pass
the drawing will start again
find comfort through the drawing

>>2506794
Use construction to accurately map out proportions.
You actually drew her hair really well though A lot of great rhythmic lines in there.

i got a tablet for my birthday and this is the first thing i drew. i drew it from my imagination and i know the shoulders are fucked up, i'll fix them later.
any advice?

>>2506826
>beginner
>drew it from my imagination

what do you think we're going to say

>>2506826
begins with l
ends with s

>tfw got roasted in the stylization thread for not doing head heights properly
trying to fix it.

does someone want to critique this? im trying to do a night scene landscape from imagination

>>2506800
>>2506812
Why do I suck: part 2

Dumb question, after "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain", should I do Draw-a-Box or Loomis first? I'm asking because I've already started Draw-a-Box but it seem to be quite tedious, on the other hand I've peeked into "Fun with a Pencil" and it seems to be "draw the rest of the owl"-tier.

>>2506774
I watched the video again and the instructor doesn't really hold the pen at 90degrees despite saying you're supposed to. Combine that with leaning over the page and it's possible to see where you are drawing too.

>>2506914
ur feet r bad ur legs r bad ur arms r bad her spine is broken her pose makes no sense more loomis etc, for how long youve been around ur figures shouldnt still be this bad

>>2504774
Dude you literally copy-pasted my post xD

>>2506914
this >>2506986 tbqh mio famalam
start referencing from photos irl and not just your shitty chinese cartoons

I need help with shadows

>>2506866
Are we looking through a keyhole? Why is the image like that?

What am I doing wrong? Some of them don't natural to me..