/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

some studies

Todays' work. Any crits?

workin'

>>2481101

looks good, but my concern is how apart from the background your figure is, seems like he was just plopped on top - at least his upper torso gives me that vibe

>>2481110
Yeah, I thought of that too and tried to apply colors of the environment to integrate it more, but I guess it wasn't enough. Anyway, thanks!

I also like yours, you made the sketch for that in the last thread, right? Looked really crisp, I'd like to see how you're going from there.

stuff from yesterday

>>2481117

have you tried tucking his feet behind the branch? it'll push him deeper into the image

we'll see how it goes, I need to stop with my line art fascination and just render

>>2481091

r8 delicious people

>>2481134
What did you use to draw/paint it?

>>2481168
With a good shading it's going to look amazing

Does this belong here

>>2481182

reduce size at least

>>2481177
majority of it with the brush pen. values/highlights with the copics and the white gel pen

>>2481180

I still don't know if I'm going to paint it or just slap some simple shading just to give some extra flavor.

Painting takes a shit ton of time and now I'm more focused on doing line work.
Probably going to paint it eventually, but not my main concern.

Thanks for feedback.

>>2481183

>>2481236
She only has one cheekbone and half a chin.

Yo.
I'm very much a beginner, only having picked up a pen to draw very recently, about a week or two ago. I draw a few times a day, but am not very good yet, but I really want to be.
I have not yet checked out Loomis' books, but I will as soon as I get the chance, since I am not very good with drawing from imagination.
This was something I drew looking from a picture online, would be great to get some critique, I already know the mouth and hair look like.. well.. horrible. But is there anything beside that I need to focus more on getting better?
I very much prefer drawing on paper with pencils, not very much interested in using programs on PC.

Still trying to draw my first non portrait drawing. Its frustrating and i dont like it much but at least im learning a lot

>>2481110
love it so much, cant wait to see it finished

>>2481101
hnnnggg

>>2481236
the eyes look derpy and the face and neck structure looks overall weak. Mouth and background looks nice tho!

>>2481260
Lurk more, do some fundamental studies. If you know what's wrong with your drawing already, why are you even posting.

Enjoy your (you)s

>>2481288
This is going mostly well. Your values are starting to get a little too close all around, so watch out for that. I think the pinkish elves are a bit too saturated as well. Keep it up.

>>2481260
I love seeing that you have an interest in beginning with art, I wish you lots of luck in your artistic journey!
I think you are starting pretty well, drawing from reference is the best way. I think you should concentrate on getting the values and shading right.
Also, I wouldn't suggest that you draw too many portrats. Rather draw figures and anatomy (lots of great websites offer reference photos). Start with sketches and at first don't concentrte on polishing your artwork. Maybe even visit some sort of anatomy figure draing class once you feel like you are confident enough in your work.
In conclusion: Draw as much as you can and you'll improve a lot.
Best of luck!

>>2481260

You don't have the spark

>>2481386
dude, everyone started at that level. Who are you to determine whether someone has 'the spark'? Don't bring people down for no reason.

You know, I'd love to post in these threads if I didn't have the fear of some copyfag stealing stuff.

>>2481413

if that's your only legitimate fear, you're not going to be much of an artist

>>2481413
Don't worry, none of your stuff is worth stealing

>>2481101
anon pls let me have your babies.

>>2481420
Ehhhhh, you have a point. I'll be able to do even better later, anyway.
>>2481423
Post something of yours, then?

>>2481260
what if

WAIT

what if there was a thread for things like this

>>2481442
Congrats... you made a potentially good photo really shitty by posting with a bad resolution overly huge for any monitor.

>>2481444
That's kind of the point. And, my questions involve this partial anyway.

>>2481260

Listen, anyone can get good if they do this:

1: Read Perspective Made Easy and do all the exercises.
2: Read How to Draw by Scott Robertson and do all the exercises and watch the videos.
3: Read Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis and do all the exercises.
4: Read Drawing the Head and Hands by Loomis and do all the exercises.
5: Read Force by Michael Mattesi.
6: Read How to Render by Scott Robertson and do all the exercises.
7: Read Color and Light by James Gurney and do all the exercises.

There you go, with 4 hours of focused practice a day (don't check your smartphone every 30 seconds) this training will last a whole year or a bit more. Also you need money to buy the books and a cintiq or intuos pro and ellipse templates etc.

After you complete that just do what you want for a while, explore styles, what you like to paint and such. THEN make a list of the things you are not good at and you want to learn and get to it.

>>2479238

I'm back again. I added blues to the lips, raised the ears, lengthened the jaw and desaturated some parts. Does it look better?

>>2481457
Yes.

Why the white highlight around the outline tho. Is their gonna be a light behind her?

>>2481442
For starters, what the fuck is going on the background?

>>2481464
Yeah. I was thinking a high light from he back with the main light coming from above in the front. Granted, If I keep going, I'll clean things up a lot more, but is my lighting inappropriate for a back light?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but in general how exactly do you make a piece feel finished? I normally do clean up on edges, stray marks and whatnot when I'm done rendering, but I don't know how the hell to present something as finished. It always ends up feeling incomplete to me.

done, onto the next

damn I love brush pens

Btw is Firez ded? Did he finally gave up on drawing?

Here's an acrylic and colored pencil still life that I'm finishing up. Other than the shadows being too dark how could i improve it?

>>2481443
that dog actually looks a lot like his drawing

>>2481497
its nice but the colors are really muddy, it makes the shadows on the face very lifeless. keep that in mind for your next painting

>>The signature is over done tone it down.
Pinky looks short af
The outlining of the hand flattens it,
Pretty cool otherwise.

>>2481500
He's on sabbatical. You'd know this if you bothered to subscribe to his newsletter.

>>2481168
fabric doesnt work like that, if you wanna draw titties n rib bones put her in something latex or a bikini, any t-shirt material wouldn't move like that.

how is it?

>>2481538
>how could i improve it?
Start by not painting boring shit

>>2481538
Shadows are fine. Don't get caught up nitpicking this one and move on with your studies.

sketched this freighter

>>2481560
wow i love this

update...

>>2481560
Is he coming down from a higher area or is his body made of wisps?

I assume the particles around him means he's broken in through the ceiling.

Crit?

>>2481101
Amazing! Would you mind posting more of your work?

>>2481625
I cant believe its not peanut butter!

>>2481614
you are seriously mentally ill or obsessed. draw other stuff you creep

Oil painting that I'm working on

I studied the drawing on the right. Gotta remember to double check measurements and try harder to not chunkify the model.

>>2481661
The nose is too large and too far to the right. Also the thighs and arm are too large

Stuff I did this weekend

>>2481697
It looks amazing! How many hours did it take?

>>2481655
Kind of rembrant-esque. The shadow on the nose looks too hard though.

>>2481655
Dude, noice.
>>2481697
Looks neat

drawings from today. the baristas at the coffee shop let me draw them a lot, which is good cause there hasnt been any people in there ive really wanted to draw

>>2481538
The dollar bill looks too soft compared to the card.

>>2481712
heres a self portrait i did

>>2481715
aaaand some hands

>>2481715
>>2481717
Fucking love your hands, they're so expressive

>>2481703
Thank you. It was like 4h pencil lay-in, 4h inking and 4h finishing (details, textures, markers)

>>2481718
the times they are a'changin

>>2481715
>>2481717
dude enough with the fucking hands. I'm happy for you that you get to draw qt's at starbucks or whatever but pls expand or do something else.

>>2481455
Not the guy you were replying to but...
>4 hours a day
Wouldn't you burn out unless you were aiming to be a pro?

Also, almost none of those books have actual exercises (except #2), do you mean copying the drawings?

Otherwise it looks like pretty good advice, I think I might give it shot. (Have you yourself gone through it/in the process of going through it?)

>>2481717
annnnnnddddd it's fucking hands guy

>>2481672
Yikes, didn't even notice the nose. Thanks.

>>2481723
>>2481725
muh style is hands though. if i had/could afford models maybe i'd actually do some paintings but until then its hands all day everyday

also heres more hands from today :)

>>2481732
what is your goal? that's probably not going to help you improve your portraits which are pretty decent desu

>>2481739
i just need more life drawing practice. i'll do a year of hand studies and see how i am at the end of it and if it's not helping/has stopped helping i'll make a course correction but this is what I'm doing in 2016. just an experiment.

Watercolor landscape painting i did from life

>>2481751
You need to implement actual brush strokes into your work. There's no gesture to anything it's all just reproduction of what you saw. Utilize the fact you are doing a drawing and not taking a photograph

>>2481751
I agree with >>2481757 you have a great sense of perspective and value but everything seems a little flat. You kind of treat everything in the same manner. I love the colors in this. It looks like an anime background. Would you mind posting more of your stuff?

>>2481757
this goes for
>>2481655
>>2481625
and >>2481538
too
its art not life you gotta embrace likeness instead of reproduction

>>2481764
>tfw those are your other pieces
I've always been told that I draw like Hitler

>>2481749
>i'll do a year of hand studies and see how i am at the end of it and if it's not helping/has stopped helping

Your hand drawings always look the exact same. There's zero improvement from the ones you did many months ago to your most recent ones. It's fairly obvious to anyone but yourself that one year from now, they will still look just like that.

>>2481771
I agree completely

This is my first time using color in PS with a tablet

>>2481762
Sure here's another lifeless watercolor lol

>>2481771
They only look somewhat better because he stopped the nonsensical hatching. Every time he draws anything else the hands still look like shit. He refuses to either learn the inner workings and construction of the hands or to be observant enough to draw them from reference. It's the most pointless exercise I've ever seen.

>>2481788
>>2481771
im doing so many more though. the speed im drawing at is way faster while still being accurate. it used to take me three glances before every line now i can do curves and lines as long as 4 inches in one quick look. im digesting information about what im drawing much faster now.

i hope what im doing isn't discouraging you from doing something similar just because the improvements aren't as vast as if I was copying photos and doing concept art. life drawing is a much slower burn.

it takes months and years to see improvements in drawings that aren't just the speed with which you do them, cause how you draw is still how you draw.

>>2481538
>>2481625
>>2481655
>>2481751
>>2481781
Your technical skills are insane but your work seems like your just copying from life without any digression.

>>2481799
i know thats what i said too but idk what advice to give him to improve on that. he's SO good at drawing but it's still just not exciting enough in the way i usually come to art for.

>>2481797
you've plateaued. there's no reason to get good at speed drawing your own hand bro. it'd be a better use of time to grind loomis skulls or anything really.

>>2481819
im trying to get better at drawing, not get better at drawing hands. the subject is secondary. like i said ill give it a year and see where it takes me

>>2481797
>while still being accurate
No. You think your drawings are accurate. You've been told numerous times by numerous people they are not. Since you refuse to learn the real anatomy of anything you can't see why people tell you they're not accurate. You can tell yourself a duck is a dog all you want but don't expect the rest of the world to believe it.

>>2481797
Draw a figure from imagination in an interesting pose. Clothed or unclothed is up to you.

Not only draw the figure, but compose that figure in an environment.

Scratch that, draw a multi-figured composition from imagination at full size around 20"x30" or bigger

If you can't attempt to do that, you haven't improved.

Life drawing is only there to help your proportions/construction/perspective/light and shadow rendering. Life drawing is a vital resource to help an artist understand certain principles before he/she commits to a final illustration.

Life drawing has little impact in comparison to what a fully illustrated piece can accomplish.
If you aren't pushing for anything bigger than life drawing, then you are never going to be as good as you think you'll be. You'll just be a sad gallery artist who sulks around saying "My art represents the idea of balance within a society" attaching some bullshit description because your own art can't stand for its own.

Wake the fuck up and start doing actual illustrations. Otherwise, get used to the dust.

>>2481840
>You'll just be a sad gallery artist who sulks around saying "My art represents the idea of balance within a society" attaching some bullshit description because your own art can't stand for its own.
i've always had a romantic idea of myself where my bio near my artwork would be something like "I enjoy drawing" and thats it

I'm just interested in making art that I enjoy, and doing nice paintings for people. And seeing girls I find attractive naked. And I'm trying to find the path to get there.

>>2481840
ill give it a shot though no guarentees itll be any good

How do you finish?

I have a problem where I can't seem to finish something. The longest time I spent drawing 3 days max.

I just get bored want to draw something else.

>>2481852
>I'm just interested in making art that I enjoy
and turning yourself into a meme on an anonymous tibetan jenkem huffing circlejerk

>>2481852
>I'm just interested in making art that I enjoy, and doing nice paintings for people. And seeing girls I find attractive naked. And I'm trying to find the path to get there.

Why not purchase a pistol with bullets and shoot yourself.
No one cares about that type of stuff anymore. Paint something that has value. That has a strong underlying theme behind it. Make something that makes people care about it.

You might as well drop the art act and get a job in engineering. You might actually attribute something to society there than what you're trying to accomplish now.

>>2481852
>And seeing girls I find attractive naked.
That's kind of perverse.

>>2481892
>seeing girls I find attractive naked.
real nigger shit

>>2481877
If you find that golden answer pls share it with another poor unfortunate soul ;-;

>>2481500
hes posting on reddit instead.
I messaged him and he said quote : << I didn't even say that faggot, please don't tell them them im on /r/learnart though>>

i really fuckin suck

Why is everyone here amazing

>>2481923
This thread started off with extremely high quality, desu, it's making me insecure af.

did it yesterday at night

>>2481928
>>2481921
beginners thread.

>>2481923
great boobs senpai

>>2481840
alright this is about an hour and a half worth of messing around without reference. i mean i can do stuff from imagination, but i prefer having a model in front of me. this was 18"x24" i don't have bigger paper. and i haven't done enough landscapes to really do landscapes from imagination but hopefully when the weather is warmer

>>2481975
something about this composition bothers me but I'm no professional
also it's rly heavily stylized why

>>2481975
what bothers me is the girl on the left. her back is so arched she looks weird.Almost like she was half snake or something,

>>2481975
middle girl's face

>>2481923
You just have no quality control.
Spend more time on general construction and less time on details.

>>2482041
I think the composition is awkward because those two standing girls are the exact same height. There's this weird sort of M-flow if your eye trails along their faces from left to right.

>>2482062
makes sense senpai ty for explaining

Quick Question to anyone.

How do I stop making everything I draw into anime-Style ? for example I cant seem to draw real people i subconsciously make it anime-ish.

>>2482066
You stop symbol drawing faces and look at values.

>>2482066
try drawing real people a lot and take time to accurately measure the size of the features of the face and the distance.

>>2481975
hey bricom, why don't you post your oils

>>2481975
its not bad. the girl on the left has plenty of anatomy issues. curved spine, no sign of a rib cage. it looks completely sunk in.
and for somebody who spends all their time drawing hands i have no idea how you missed this, not once, but twice. the hands are backwards
>pic related

A house from a street in Detroit. The journey continues...

Any help?

>>2482109
>not once, but twice. the hands are backwards
inb4 he claims its supposed to be like that because of some made up philosophical bullshit.

>>2482109
oops your right lol. im bad at doing hand math in my head.

>>2481134
Tight

>>2481168
Nice, aber a little bit cramped, why not show the scales on top.>>2481504
>>2481655
looks like a un abstract Francis Bacon painting
pretty sweet.

>>2481715 Very nice lines and forms, the boney structure of the face is missing, a few subtle planes would go a long way on the portrait, otherwise pretty fucking sweet.

>>2481781
With all due respect the subject matter is lifeless. You did a great job with what you were working with.

Work of the day, pic related. Feedback welcome

>>2482112
that's not too bad anon. it lacks some perspective though.
this picture is pretty much a 1 point perspective. so basing everything off that would aid you greatly with things like the shopping cart or the staircase on the porch.

keep at it anon. also the thumbnail of the image doesnt look to bad either.

>>2482120

>>2482119
its fine man, helps to pose yourself how you're going to draw them. keeps things in check. I'm going to say you should grind some more anatomy, along side hands. otherwise i feel like you'll be doing great hands and the rest wont compare, and it'll be weird.

>>2481625
Fucking great. Photorealistic as hell. Use those skills and do some sort of still-life on a big canvas and try to get it out there. Look at the still-life work of the old masters, then try to add your own spin on things. It takes a few years, but you'll eventually probably get really well-known.

Just be you.

Keep on keeping on. Happy painting, and god bless. :)

I hate to admit it but I seem to just not have a fucking clue what I'm doing.

So I drew for about a month, just working through Betty Edwards book and then stopped and now I've just tried this on a wim and it took the past couple days but I just can't figure out what else to do to improve. I'm done with this for now but still want to do a few more drawings in the future.

I don't even know how to fucking shade. I just smudge everything and redo the same part over and over and over until it looks decently right.

Is there a book that's specific to what I need to help me?

>>2482134
ur measurements are wrong
for example check the placement of the straws relative to the cup
look at the shape of the cup's rum as it runs into the straws, you find a smaller sort of rounded triangle
small measurement errors make everyone feel bad but it's okay as long as we progress
see if you can find the errors in the neck, eyes, eyebrows, etc

>>2482137
Are you supposed to measure consistently as you go along?

For this image what would you have used as your base measurement for comparison?

Could different pencils have made a difference? Is using a HB to trial some lines then going over them in something like a 4B a good plan?

>>2482141
It'd be helpful to measure during the whole sketch imo,
I use 2h to sketch just because I find it easier to erase
Probably would've measured from the base of the nose to the top of the skull, drawn a line, and done the same across the browline from one side of the head to the other, and used this to go on to make a longer vertical center line and stuff
always helpful to measure in different ways tho, like the distance from the top of the eye to the hair or from the eye to the center line etc

>>2482134
Yikes...

>>2481101
Jeez, today of all days you gotta go ahead and make me feel inadequate as hell.

I don't usually like drawing characters that belong to a company or other artist, I focus on my own. But Morrigan from Darkstalkers is the only exception. I work overnight and it's slow, I just finished this. Used a micron #3 and 5, and a bic mark it pen.

>>2482189
Damn it, sorry guys. I thought I fixed the orientation on my phone.

>>2481928
Your beard has turned into a bunch of scratch. Concentrate on masses, rather than lines.

See how the beard and facial hair looks on this Sargent? I see you're paying attention to the light source, but beards can easily become symbol.

Try another drawing, but this time try to make the beard more massy.

But then again, it's all up to personal taste in the end.

>>2482121
Thank you for the input! :)

finished up that piece i was working on last draw thread. not very impressed with the quality of my rendering/values(which I did digitally), at least compared to the line art i had before. any tips for better rendering? advice in general would be great.

>>2482221
Very Pastel like, I like it. Could be great if you added some foreground to the bottom left, compositionally.

>>2481732
You hands are actively getting worse and I'm not kidding

>>2481260
your are still symbol drawing, albeit really well.

>>2481428
No.

>>2481628
Thanks, my stuff can be found here:
>exitmothership.deviantart.com

>>2482176
Never give up mate.

>>2481538
thought it was a photo. good job.

>>2481697
haha those ghosts look so cuute

>>2481712
*let you draw them* is there a law against drawing people?

Things I should fix or improve before continuing?

>>2481632
no fat

Update...Hair is not done.

Any tips on rendering hair?

>>2481091

shiiet das my work maine

>>2482120
>subject matter
I swear to fucking god anyone who even says this seriously needs to fucking neck themselves.

>>2481757

>hurr durr all paintings must be painterly hurr durr le evil realism

Fuck off with that modernism bullshit.
That's probably not a opinion you have formed yourself but rather just shit that you are regurgitating from some bitter art teacher you took a few classes from.

Yeah, I love painterly brushwork too. But that's just a matter of taste. There is no universal law that states that you must work this or that way. I wouldn't have any problem with what you wrote if you suggested that he could design the shapes more by deliberate brushwork, but instead you just had to bring up that "oh just make aswell take a photograph" crap that doesn't even make any sense.

>>2482134
I know a federal agent who would be very interested in your work.

>>2482474
Chill special snow flake, this is a draw thread not an English lit thread. Cleaning the sand out of your vag every now and then might do you some good.

>>2482134

Isn't that the girl that has a creepy pedo stalker group dedicated to her on 8ch or something? Poor kid.

rattus rattus, more sketches

>Can't draw for the life of me
>Need to hire someone to draw something in a simple style

Where would I go to hire you guys? Every time I check now its some artist having a patreon you have to join for a chance that they might do a sketch for you

did i really get banned?

>>2482530
Just send an email. At worst they won't reply. If there's no email or other way to contact them then they probably don't want to do commissions.

>>2481975
I'm pleasantly surprised you actually did this. Hopefully this piece serves as a good reference to mark where your skill is currently. Even though this piece has its problems, it stands stronger than anything else you've done because there's things for people to look at. The objects in the scene have other objects to relate to and interact with. That's what separates studies and finished pieces.

From this we can see that you have no problems putting lines to paper, which is good. There's an amount of confidence that I can appreciate. I'm glad you aren't afraid to put multiple figures in a composition and make them seem relatively sized to each other.

What I think happened, though, was that you read my challenge and got straight to work. You dove in not really thinking too much about how everything is going to be laid out. Did you do any thumbnailing? Did you do any small value compositions? You would have solved a lot of problems when it was sized small.

You seem to also have a lot of anatomy issues. It looks like you ended up guessing a lot of the time. You want to know how I can tell? The back of the left figure is waaay too crooked. Even if she was a normal hunchback, something like that would NEVER happen. There's not enough "torso" for the sitting figure. Boobs don't act like that. The sitting figure's extended arm just has a lot of bumps on it...where's the deltoid, bicep, triceps? where are the extensors and flexors? It doesn't feel like that arm is rotated. I know it's a woman so they are softer than men, but I still have no idea what's going on with that arm. It seems like you struggle with knees, hence the "space" you left where they would normally go. I have no idea how you've done those nice hand studies but completely botch up these hands. The feet are something else.
You say you're learning from life, but it's totally apparent you're just drawing down what you see and not actively trying to internalize it.

Cont. 1/2

>>2482541
You can email/people can email you here? How do you set that up?

>>2481560
I feel like the dragon should look more rough and battle hardened. Looks kinda soft and cuddly to me

>>2482545
To keep critiquing...

There's no light and shadow statements. At all.
Yeah you put shadows on the figures indicating that the light source is Top Right, but if that was the case, you would have a lot more cast shadows where you haven't put any. Arms tend to cast shadows onto torsos if the arm is blocking the light, you know. The girl on the right would be almost enveloping the sitting girl in shadow except her arm. That could have been a cool moment to have, but you didn't include it since you didn't have any idea how that would look ( or maybe you didn't want to ruin anything ). That's what the small value studies are for.

Also, take the time to actually define some of the objects that these figures are interacting with. What are they holding? Staves? Rifles? Swords? Spears? Give the object volume and a reason to be there. What is the girl sitting on? A stump? Study bark texture and make sure you indicate that next time.

I'm glad you attempted an environment. Like you said, it looks the way it is because you haven't done enough studies, which is fine. But when you do these studies make sure to actually INTERNALIZE what you're looking at. Look at other artists who simplify landscapes with pencil. Look at Nathan Fowkes or James Gurney for that type of stuff.

Anyway, I can keep going but I won't.
The main problem that I keep seeing from you is that you say you're improving, but when you post your work you're posting the same stuff. It all looks the same. Why? Because you're not actively internalizing anything when you're drawing from life. Learn to construct things such as heads, arms, torsos, cars, trains, dogs, cats, bowls, diamonds, anything you can think of. Don't just copy what you're looking at, try and construct a 3d version of it on your paper, as if you were looking at a wireframe of the object in 3ds max
Perspective > Construction > Anatomy > Rendering

I'm not trying to "save you"
I'm just sick of your shit. Man up.

>>2482557
I just assumed that, since you said you found their patreon, you also found their website, which should have their email, in some way or another. That said, the "options" field in the reply was called "email" field for a reason, not that many people used it that way. I guess you'll just have to lurk the self-promotion thread or ask them for their mail when you see them posting here. Or better just give them your mail and ask that they contact you.

>>2482452
Not with white lines everywhere.
Add them only where there's highlights otherwise make sharpened points in specific places to accenuate volume.

>>2482511
Have you always been a furry fucker?

I am at a stump I can get further I am just frustrated that u can't get the results I want

>>2482606
That I want*

>>2482511
Dope shit, do you have a tumblr or something so I can follow you?

>>2482511
Reminds me of redwall, and i love it.

>>2482606
That I can't get*

>>2482606

Don't bother, you don't have the spark.

something new

>>2482616
I can photocopy picture's pretty close to accurate I just can't draw out of my head

>>2482618

Find a new hobby, you don't have the spark

>>2482625
So can my printer

>>2482625

Still, you don't have the spark, stop drawing and find a new hobby

>>2482610
kjkallio.tumblr.com
also artstation: kjkallio.artstation.com
>>2482614
thanks man, heard that reference many times now, have to check out redwall

>>2482638
Okay I'll quit

I wanna draw sassy wimmin who don't need no mens

>>2482650

You want to draw, but it's clear you can't. You lack the spark

>>2482653
Humans aren't cars.
You need a sparkplug to start a car.
You don't need a spark to draw.

>>2482653

*sucks teeth* Mmmhm

>>2481724
>burning out doing 4 hours a day
nigga try 6 hours

>>2482653
So I'll quit today but return tomorrow with more unfinished stuff

>>2482660
Thanks!

Casual sketch of Tchaikovsky whilst bored at work

Starting to get into digital painting now
I've started with a value study based on a caricature I did in pencil last year.

Started in greyscale and now trying to use multiply layers to add colour but shit's hard.
Haven't properly tackled the hair yet, so open to any advice

>>2482686
... Something about this seems great...
Not sure if it's the words wakeup or Panda being covered by Tchaikovsky's face....

>>2482697
Yeah for once I'm not entirely annoyed at having done something halfway decent on used paper

>>2481092

stop the nonesensical scribbling, do purposeful strokes, detail the inner structure of the body, prefferably with cubes instead of flat loops and shapes.

You really need to get into perspective and form, start dealing with refferences portraying extreme points of view to put your perception of the human form up to test.

With that said, I find your desings really appealing and I would like to see more fleshed out works. (not here though, I rarely use this pozzed site, go to the full imageboard next door, sometime, maybe)

>>2482511
best thing i've seen in a while, so nice. as that other nigger said, reminds me of redwall.

>>2481373
I think the same thing about the pinks. Also yeah i totally washed out my values :c just tried to give them some colour but i can still try to push them further. Very useful critique so thank you!

>>2481457
I like this a lot but the forehead is bugging me. Looks too protruding based on the value you gave to it. Maybe you should tone the values down so she has a flatter forehead instead of a round one? Great job tho!!

>>2482806
I'm not totally sure on this but I think if you bump up the rim light on them it'll balance the values back out again. It might be good to try that on a separate layer first just to make sure it works out if you do try it though.

>>2482593
lol

>>2481472
You'd have to have seen the anime (monogatari) to get it, but it's a bunch of school desks piled on top of each other.

Not the person you're replying to btw

>>2481504
I'm confused as to why you think you can pass that off as NOT a drawing over a photo? You didn't even try to hide it, wtf am I looking at??

>>2482696
Just stop friend, you don't have the spark

>>2482696
Holy shit this is frightening, it's like I'm viewing him on acid.

>>2482696
>asking for constructive criticism and advice on /ic/

>>2482929
where should I seek such advice then?

Progress is slow because I don't have a lot of free time. Rape me, /ic/.

Trying to do a new illustration everyday

I have one year to git gud.

>>2481975
I recognized your dirty baristas!

>>2481712
wow this is third page reddit material if i've ever seen it.

>>2482666
I seriously doubt anyone here draws for six hours continuously every day, unless they are planning to be/already are pros.

anything wrong/that could improve?

>>2482973
It's stiff and out of perspective. Face needs some work. The character design is kind of lacking. Like what is he suppose to be? Elf monk fighter? Sure bro, just make sure to have a bit more storytelling with his gear. Silhouette looks a bit funky. Try fixing his bushy pants, they make him too pear-shaped. Hair can tell a lot, try adding some sort of jewelry/ hair ties. Just make him more interesting in general. And also give it some good line weight to really pop out focal points and give a good sense of depth.

Overall, I think it is a good start. You could really learn a lot if you do some research and incorporate some more design. Good job man. Keep it up!

>>2482176
The colors are a bit "by the books", but I really like your composition. Keep going.

>>2483065
:( i was on the front page that one time though
>>2483063
hey now
>>2483072
lately i do, i'm trying to do more though. today i drew from 3 to 7 which felt lackluster so ill probly draw for two more hours later. its not continuous though that's how you get wrist cramps and headaches.

i drew another barista at the coffee shop. she asked me to sign it so i obliged

>>2483111
also here's some hands. i got globally banned on my phone it said my IP address posted child pornography in 2014. i appealed and was like "that doesn't really sound like me" and they unbanned me. so idk what that was about lol

>>2483111
>>2483112
Do you outline first with a light pencil, then trace them with a dark pencil?

>>2483114
the hands today i did just doing the outline as dark as possible without an underdrawing. you can see how i fucked up the one in the middle cause i couldnt keep those fingers that were raised in the right position so i just fudged it. they were fun to do, idk if ill do them like that ever again though it only works for really simple poses that i know i can keep still

>>2483111
do you live in europe? is this good for meeting chicks?

>>2483122
there are chicks everywhere, and i live in the us

>>2483122
Only attempt if you're borderline professional, not like >>2478782 or they'll be repulsed.

Finished this today.

>>2483227
Love the setting, dont love the figure

>>2483227
Why is there white on the ground? If that's supposed to be the illumination, it should be a light hue of red.

>>2483217
I am but I still lack the confidence to do it. there's a coffee shop right down the street too. :/

This is Cynthia. She has Down Syndrome and loves ducks. One day she dreams of riding in a rocket ship and having a whole skull

2 hour watercolor speed painting of ginger

>>2483263
>Not enough visible brush strokes
>shadow looks like a solid form

>>2483263
Thats a weird looking poop

>>2483112
Are these done from life? If so great job, i love the gesture

Pastel portrait study

Here's the pic in the correct orientation

>>2483273
>triggered
you're idealizing. just draw what's in front of you don't try to pretty up a drab model. if the model is ugly you make them just as ugly in the drawing.

>>2483275
inb4 you post it upside down next

>>2483275
Her hair, necklace and clothes do not follow gravity.

>>2483275
God fucking damnit
>>2483276
That's my biggest problem I can pretty much only draw whats in front of me. I can't draw shit from my head or even conceptualize
>>2483277
I'm done even trying, Im just going to fuck it up again

>>2483275
nice job anon that actually pretty good, missing some details but nice lighting

>>2483275
how dense are you

>>2483280
Thanks you're right
>>2483283
I'm apparently really fucking retarded. The thumbnails are the correct orientation but when i post it it always gets flipped sideways.

>>2483073
Varie the weight of the lines on the contour more

>>2482511
>rattus
Blog?

Another pastel/watercolor drawing

wondering if this is worth continuing or just a a steaming pile of crap

>>2483300
its kinda cute

>>2483296
God tier shit
>>2483300
Its interesting you should keep going with it

>>2483300
Sorry, you just don't have the spark. You should stop.

>>2483296
Why does the eyelid have a black edge to it?

>>2483307

what medicine are you not taking

>>2483308
To make it more dramatic I guess plus I used ink and it went a bit darker than i intended.

>>2483296
What did you use for the highlight on the eye?

Which one of these is most interesting? Bottom left is good but it doesn't have any substance to it, it's just a big stupid monster going blaaah. I want there to be something mysterious about this monster. That said, what do you chaps think about the two on the right? Could they be changed to be more interesting?

>>2483319
>Bottom left is good

>>2483325
>left is good

>>2483328
>>2483325
>>2483319
>left is

>>2483329
>>2483328
>>2483325
>>2483319
>left

>>2483328
>is good
am I doing this right?

>>2483329
>>2483331
Oh ok I see where you were going with it. I'm faggot.

>>2483332
>>2483331
>>2483329
>>2483319
>>2483325
>Bottom left

>>2483334
>>2483332
>>2483331
>>2483329
>>2483328
>>2483325
Great feedback thanks

>>2483337
you're not me!

>>2483339
Plot twist: I am

>>2483337
>>2483334
>>2483333
>>2483332
>>2483331
>>2483329
>>2483328
>>2483325
I'm going to bring this one to a finish. I'll keep you guys posted on my progress

>>2483342

>>2483351
Good choice I'm really digging that dynamic pose

>>2482696
>shit

>>2483325
>>2483328
>>2483329
>>2483331
>>2483332
>>2483333
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>>2483339
>>2483342
>>2483351
fuck all of you

>>2483352
>>2483342
>>2483339
>>2483337
>>2483334
>>2483333
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>>2483331
>>2483329
>>2483328
>>2483325
>Autism
This thread is falling apart

>>2483273
>>2483275
Ooof
You're probably not the type of painter that would want to do this...but I'll say it anyway

In the photo with the actual model, look at the shadow shape. Look at the very edge where the dark meets the light. FUCKING look at it. Holy shit it's such a good saturated red. It would definitely be a missed opportunity if you didn't at least pop a saturated red somewhere at the edge between shadow and light.

I'm getting mad just looking at it.
Your piece is BEGGING for something interesting to happen! Bring it to life!

>>2483368
Yeah you're absolutely right, the shadow looks boring and flat but punching up the shadow edge would defiantly force some life into it. Thanks for the suggestion! ill give it a try

>>2483319
bottom left and right are the most interesting.

>>2482806
>>2482821

Thanks for the tips anon! I'll give it a shot.

On a side note, I'm also doing this thing here because I didn't have the confidence/skill to keep going a few month ago. Is the likeness at all recognizable? Are my values okay? I feel as though I fucked up the facial proportions in regards to the eyes/nose.

>>2483263
Shadows holding it back as a whole but that is a goddamn beautiful painting of ginger.

>>2483378
Looking good, nice strokes. Why is his right arm a huge garbage bag?

>>2483390
There are a lot of problems with construction. The values are kind of all in the same range like your other picture but as with that one I think you can balance it by putting lighter and darker ones next to each other. As for the face well anime sometimes doesn't translate well to a more realistic look. The heart shaped face with pointed chin is especially problematic. Right now this looks like a woman with stubble because of that. You've got to reverse engineer the stylistic choices to the type of real life face it would represent, if that makes any sense.

>>2483300
Dont get depressed. Move this into illustrator and then use it multiple times for color and light practice. Do day time and night time

>>2483395
its supposed to be a shoulder cape, maybe it will look better or more like fabric when i colour...

>>2482195
>but beards can easily become symbol.
you were giving a decent critique till you fell for the meme.

>>2482120
>>2482123
I find it weird that her lips in your drawing have more life in them than the picture of her.

>>2482696
Honestly you should go to the alt style thread. all you're going to get here is memesters telling you you are shit. I like your drawing but it isn't realism, which unfortunately is the only thing that flies in these threads.

>>2481455
>4 hours a day
Where do people find the time.

I definitely want to do this "professionally"

But at this stage I barely have time to balance other things in life.

>>2483293
kjkallio.tumblr.com

>>2481890
Are any artists really attributing anything to society?

>>2483502
entertainment
inspiration
people base their entire personas off cartoons in this day and age

>>2483506
No, something ACTUALLY useful to society.

>>2483507
There are those guys that work with the police by drawing wanted criminals based off description.

>>2483515
:^)

>>2483507
I unironically think society would collapse without mass media and entertainment

>>2482134
just keep drawing whatever you feel passionate about, many will try to keep you in the politically correct, bland side, but that only leads to mediocre, soulless art.

>>2483520
This is 100% correct. Without the Jews controlling things through the media and so on we'd return to medieval barbarity in short order (I might sound like I'm being facetious but I'm dead serious)

>>2483527
>(I might sound like I'm being facetious but I'm dead serious)
posting jewface really helps that impression there mr.

>>2483507
What kind of soulless sperg robot do you have to be to think art has no real value?
The whole point of having a civilization is so that we can live and thrive rather than just survive for the moment. Even the most brutal feudal societies and hunter gatherers had art and entertainment. Think Maslow's hiearchy of needs - as soon as our most basic needs are met we want to express ourselves.

>>2483406

I think I understand what you're saying.
I widened the chin, tucked the ear in, pushed the top of the head down a little, and tried to add more darks and lights.

>>2483528

>>2483531
Better but there are still a lot of problems with the structure. Have you been flipping the canvas as you go?

>>2483273
any pastel tips, books, advice..etc????please

>>2483537
I have been though now that you mention it, I think the jaw is asymetrical?
Are structural issues bad enough that I should head off to the beginner's thread/start over?

>>2483557
I'm not sure you need to go to the beginner's thread but personally if it were me I would start over. I find it easiest to structure a drawing in lines before starting to paint and render. There are some people who like to work in blocks of value moreso than lines and you can do that too. The key thing is to build the structure correctly, keeping it simple until your base is solid, and then begin adding detail.

>>2483263
why are you painting petrified poop?

I have not painted a picture in three years and a few days ago did this, I'm still not satisfied, but you're saying? any advice?

This is probably dumb idea, but listen to it. I try to learn to draw, mainly i try to find like manga style tutorials, but all of them suxs, like they show basic proportion and there its done. Ok cool, but that doesnt really help me, how do i actually understand and learn to draw figures i want, because i dont know how to draw them, even if i know there proportions and i can draw straight lines it wont help me. So i had idea of just copying already drawn manga and anime pages i like. Do slight alterations to them. And i actually starting to understand the lines somewhat, how to draw them, ye i might not draw good proportions but i think just copying already good manga/anime is a lot better, then following random internet manga tutorial, which looks like shit compared to master drawing.

>>2481538
>>2481584
I like it, has flavor

>>2481781
It's good

>>2482511
great

>>2483669
I've said a few times on this board that this is what I did. I copied pokemon cards and other anime stuff then I moved onto the basic construction shown in the how to manga books, and once I got to life drawing classes I was already familiar with the idea of using simple shapes to build a drawing which made it a lot easier. Whatever you find that explains it or shows it or otherwise gets you to understand and learn, use it.

>>2482790
thanks anon

45 min doodle, critique pls

>>2482482
>>2483526
>>2482497
Can't someone just draw a supple loli without the whole world getting butthurt?

Bouguereau drew lolis and you're not bullying him

Update...

Not done because my stylus is broken. :/ I'll be doing traditional studies in the mean time.

fuck I don't understand color

>>2481780
You really focused a lot on her feet.

I bled kind of too much for this and I still am gonna since the eyes aren't sharing the measurements

>>2483112
Do you touch your baristas with those hands? How filthy!

Hi ic

>>2483243
Is the character design too generic?

>>2483247
You're absolutely right, i will have to fix that.

Thanks for the feedback.

This is something new i'm working on. Practising using two different references.

>>2482293
Not that anon, but there was some chick that started screaming at me once when I was sitting in the park drawing the girl at the bench across the way. Something about it being illegal without her permission because it's a breach of privacy or some shit. Americans are retarded.

the faces i draw suck ass D:

>>2483936
like mayor ass

>>2483937
so obviously i lack practice, mostly i have trouble starting to understand the planes & geometry of the skull. Something that confuses me when trying to focus on somehting to practice is how different many artists render faces. in the japanese style they often competly ignore coloring the anatomy surrounding the nose and mouth area and just work alot with lineart, making my confusion worse is that the "sketch" before i put in color / rendering often looks okayish at least not so horrible deformed like they are looking now. so should i follow more that lane?

>>2481091
spent like an hour on this shit, i know i sux i will never learn how to properly draw.

>>2483819
dude you're symbol drawing like fuck. get that stuff right before making whatever the hell this is supposed to be

I'm decent at drawing but a mess with oils, pls crit.

>>2483983
ONE PUUUNNCHHH

>>2484001
boring composition, everything out of focus, no point of intrest and u'd add more contrast on forground. just head over to twitch and listen to bob ross when you want to draw landscapes and your bound to pick up good tips and tricks.

>>2484011
I was up with you until Bob Ross, that shit is literally just effects, no solidity or anything, and all done indoors.

I'll stick with Edgar Payne.

>>2484010
nice reference 10/Saitama

reference

>>2484014
for tips and tricks still good.

>>2484045
Saturate your shadows, nigga.

>>2483738
l like how it ended up, with those super detailed lashes, and sharp shadows on the right side, but the reference lacks an interesting lighting to play with the values. you should try one taken with sunlight next.

>>2483698
feels referenced loosely. Shitty eye placement ( too low too close) but good understanding of other things by comparison. Try construction, or stop trying to draw like X

>>2483557
blog?

Done for today, thoughts so far?

>>2483563
You hit the nail right on the head in regards to my workflow. I sort of just rush into painting/rendering after I put down some barebones scribbles. I'll do some more Reilly method studies. But thanks a lot. Your advice has been super helpful

>>2484230
Due to the fact that I am an anxious wreck, and I can't tell if this is the sarcastic 'blog?' meme, I don't feel confident enough to post my blog, but if this is you nosebro I think I'm already following you.

>>2484388
You're welcome anon, good luck to you.

>>2482633
You dont have the originality

>>2481091
Rate my Nuka Cola girl. I know the arm is fucked up.

>>2484088
Oh thanks, I'm going to do a profile one then move on a more naturally lighting.

>>2484575
Fuck. It came out sideways.

R8.

Did an hour long study of this. Here's the ref.

>>2484748
Where are we going to bring back study threads? I miss those.

warm up

>>2481091

Hogarth is a genius I swear. Having so much fun doing studies from his books.

>>2485460

did some traditional, which I absolutely suck at and need to work on.

>>2485467

more les terribleh.

Funny how rendering digitally can translate to traditional and vice versa.

>>2485468

sorry for spam m8s.

>>2485468
Long ass neck

>>2481661
I really like that one, even though the nose is a bit flawed. One of my favorite I have seen here on this board, big fan of the chunkiness. Do you have a blog or something?

>>2484001
better than me desu, you have good color control

>>2485468
>>2485467
you have the same taste in ref pictures as firez.

>>2485730
>who is leyendecker

>>2481672
you realice that not all humans look alike right ?

>>2486459
Yes but wasn't the entire point of the study to create an accurate copy dipshit?