/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

oh shit wrong image
pic related is the op image sorry for the fuck up

>>2409427
>Those breasts

Absolutely disgusting.

YOU GOT NOTHING

Kids in /ic/, always remember to take art as no more than a hobby and not something you would dedicate your life onto. Not a single soul in /ic/ makes more than minimum wage doing commissions. You've been warned

Hopeful drawfag who think theyre going somewhere always end up in suicide. That's why you don't see some of them anymore.

>>2409453
cowtits mikufag is best mikufag

Whoever thinks drawfagging is gonna make you rich is genuinely stupid.

At best you'll make $400/mo if you're decent.

>>2409464
nice meme

>>2409495
I really dont get why /ic/ is so serious about art while you're supposed to take art as nothing more but a mere hobby.

Unless if you're expecting a 6 figure paycheck when you're finally "git gud" there's no reason to shit on others like some drugged up autist.

>>2409464
speak for yourself...

>>2409427

I think about killing myself every day. Nonetheless I make more than minimum wage and don't work very hard. Lost my passion for art and my passion for life with it. But I am paying my bills with art, strangely.

>/ic/ - broken hopes and dreams.

Here's the best strategy

>Begin drawing right now
>begin studying the fundamentals
>start posting online to build a fanbase
>start working on becoming a designer

Starting these early and taking it all very seriously no slacking is the fastest route to becoming a sensational artist

>DO NOT study art in school
>study something that will lead you to a reliable career to give you a stable source of income

Separate your hobbies from your career. If you pursue art as a career you will first of all very likely fail and work in mcdonalds for a very long time and not be able to work on your art in your free time
or
even if you do manage to get lucky and get a snazzy job as an illustrator you will be drawing other peoples ideas and grow to hate art which also means you won't create art in your freetime.

>study a proper course in school to get a proper job
>Get a decently paying job that gives you free time (a job that lets you come home with plenty of energy to draw)
>Pursue art as a hobby (pursue your own creations and designs.
>once you have the ability to quit your job as your art is making alot of money do so but only when you can make a living doing absolutely what you love.
>You are now a successful artist working on your own art and you did it without having to be a starving artist


Heed my words OP I made mistakes in my journey. You don't have to. The entire purpose of writing down things in text is to help the next generation do things better than the previous generation. Please don't let my life be wasted

>>2409484
Depends on what you do, I'm not a drawfag myself, I just do sculpture working at a couple different studios with my own stuff on the side, enough to keep myself alfoat. Drawing as a side thing and I do, though I do know some people who make a living via drawing, though rarely as an independent artist. They're usually attached to a studio/company or something.

>>2409427

I'm not, it and translating sci-fi and old public domain works are my hobbies. Unfortunately not very lucrative but interesting to other people and two things that I have a real interest in and enjoy spending my time outside of work on. It'd be nice if I did have a lucrative hobby but at least I've found things I enjoy doing.

One you hit working age that existential crisis hits in and you need to do something that makes you feel like you aren't just wasting your life. My job is okay but I don't really get that from it. For now, art works.

>read thread
>instantly lost passion for drawing
i hate all of you

>>2409568
has happened to me before because of one of these shitty threads but it'll come back, dont worry

I double majored, so I've also studied economics.

I still have no idea what the fuck I'm doing, career wise.

>>2409427

tfw when art major philosophy minor

>>2409708

That's like putting your eggs in two baskets and then leaving them with a velociraptor to protect them.

you're all fucked
You all keep bullshitting by being super good at art you're going wound up as billionaires or something
At least in Da people draw shit scribbles for hobby because they know they aint getting shit from their works.

>How many of you are planning to spend your entire life drawing?
I will paint until I grow old and get arthritis, and hopefully still after that.
But it's not a day job.
>Are you putting all of your chips in art?
I work in the creative industry right now in admin, but I don't really mind working as some other kind of desk jockey or teacher
Painting is where most of my alone time tends to go, but now I socialise a bit more
As long as I have enough free time to paint
>Has anyone in /ic/ managed to buy a house or a car while making money as an artist?
The most I've ever made in one go was £400, but that's not even my month's rent


My life is always going to revolve around painting, I'll be poor because of it. I don't really care, my family are poor.
Sometimes I get really upset and I worry about what if I have a child, because I know my mother had to give up painting when she raised me so she could spend all her time earning to buy food, but that's not forever.

>>2409464
Stop projecting.

drawing is a child's hobby. you'd be better off making money from playing video games tbqh.

>>2409790

>you'd be better off making money screaming at video games tbqh

fix'd

>>2409548
so basically move to Norway and live a satisfying life?

ezpz thanks for the advice

>>2409805

only people who live on welfare can git gud at art

I'm gonna be a doctor but I'll draw until I die. The doctoring part maybe not

Best artist kind is starving-living-under-bridge-in-paper-box one. Gives you plenty of time to reflect on world around you. Highly recommend. Watch out for womens tho, they will try to break your will. We're not meant to be happy with our lives. This is the source of power from suffering we must tap.

>>2410104
you aren't gonna get far with your art if you die after the first flu

>>2410074

one of my best friends is a doctor. he envies me and says he hates his job and wishes he had done something more fulfilling instead of med school.

funny how life goes. in the adult world, nobody is happy it seems. nobody working 9 to 5 at least. art gives you the opportunity to become a 21st century internet-entrepeneur. through a combination of good art, social media savyness, hard work, and persistance you can eventually snowball into a career where you make, say ... 40-50k doing what you love. art gives you a shot at that. Wether you make it is entirely up to you, and certainly hard. But it's your business alone. No superiors, no colleagues backstabbing you trying to get a raise that was promised to you, no office politics, no being laid off, work from wherever the fuck you want, you run to show, you don't want to work today? you don't! all of those are unbelievably valuable as anyone working a 9-5 will tell you.

It's not so bad guys. It's really fucking hard work, yes. So is every other desireable career. And art doesn't even take brains, unlike academic careers. Literally just hard work. Any hard working moron can do it. Hell, it might even make it easier if you are dumb.

>>2410104
So this is what Droidekas are a knockoff of. I can't believe I never noticed that.

why is /ic/ giving me lots of boners lately

>>2409548
That's a good strategy, but not the best but you need to accept the fact that you need to a frugal life

To retire, you need 25 times the amount you spend in 1 year, If you get into some petroleum engineer shit (see 100k starting) and is fine with a frugal life style (saving 80% of that) you will be able to retire in 6 years.

Then, do what the fuck you want, you are retired, draw, code, write, shitpost, you are no longer a wageslave, you don't need to work on "building a fanbase" and becoming a household name

>>2410222
na na not retire, switch over
When your art becomes your product that makes you enough money to live off

The future doesn't matter to me since I hate almost everything but art. I don't fear being a 50 year old guy working part time at a supermarket and still a scrub at art. I cannot imagine myself doing anything else since I had only two dreams, and the other one didn't work out.

>>2410136
That's the lesson for us all, almost everything we see as creative ideas is in reality stolen from mother nature

>>2410346
whats the other dream?

>>2409568
If you lose your passion for drawing like that you should thank us, we saved you a dissapointment.

>>2410809
This
/ic/ is filled with bipolars who took art too seriously yet achieved nothing with it
you only got the rights to complain and cherry pick someone's work if you're making at least twice the minimum wage with your art

>>2409427
speaking of which, I've always wondered what becomes of old artist. You always hear about that new up and coming prodigy but not that often of the old ones, except for a few exceptions. I was thinking of it while reading some manga lately, GTO in particular, and after some research it seems that the fate of the author Tooru Fujisawa is to draw GTO until not even the most hardcore fan want to hear about it anymore. How do artists die /ic/ ? it makes me anxious

>>2409708
>>2409658
the majority of artists I know majored in something like chem/civil engineering or biology and they ended up not using their degrees at all. at least you guys didn't spend the money and time that they did

>>2410074
>>2410122
I'm actually a debuting doctor. Thankfully, I'm only a family doctor and I joined an established doctor, so I have a reasonable amount free time and not so much things to worry about professionally. Sometimes it gets a little tiring but overall I find enough time and energy to draw regularly, which I never expected. I wish every week that I had more free time to draw but I don't think I could be in a better position really, good income (especially compared to the average artist) and still enough time to draw whatever I want.

>>2410909
But economics majors generally make a good living, it's just that it can be applied to ANYTHING, so it's probably useful regardless of what I want to do. I just don't have a 100% idea of what I want to do, even if I like illustration.

I'm starting a design position this week...I just don't know if I'll end up deciding that I like economics better, and be like "...nah. Fuck art and design. Gonna go be a data analyst now."

People mentioning burn-out worry me...

>>2409427
it works. paying your rent with drawings and sitting in a car that is paid for with drawings is a good feeling... but it does start to feel like a normal job at some point :P

>>2409427
Buying a car, yes. A house though? That seems a bit retarded for most starting artists. YOu will be moving every 2-3 years if you plan on working in the entertainment industry. I have worked 4 years in a studio and it pays decent money ($32/h) in a city that's not expensive to live at all.

freelancing you can easily get a house. I hate freelancing though so I turn down all offers. My freelance rates are around $50/h.

>>2410893
I assume most become part of the mediocrity, since it's a given, while a few come on top with those to be remembered. I assume when prodigies are discussed is because of what they can become, and are forgotten if mediocrity is what they have become. (after all, to get out of mediocrity as a child is enough to draw, but to get out of mediocrity as an adult you have to draw exceptionally)

and regarding that mangaka, that's his own problem, I personally would never make a comic longer than 100 chapters, anything more than that and it shows you don't know how to end a story, don't know on what to focus or can't come up with something new

>>2411213
>People mentioning burn-out worry me
I used to do that too, but I come up to the conclusion that with enough millage, after a little rest, you can always come back to it

what worries me is losing my hands/ eyes

>>2411517
>what worries me is losing my hands/ eyes
I think I'd be pretty broken if that ever happened to me. I can take living in poverty (I have all my life so I'm used to it) and I don't believe I'll get truly burned out (I've been exhausted and needed solid breaks before to recompose myself for sure) but losing a critical body part for this work would wreck me. The only thing really keeping me alive is my burning need to create. If I can't, I'd probably off myself.

Hopefully cybernetic prosthesis comes to the mass market before long so I won't feel so worried about that.

>>2411514
>anything more than that and it shows you don't know how to end a story, don't know on what to focus or can't come up with something new
Jojo being the exception, of course, right?

Personally I've been working on a rather huge comic project of my own. I've not illustrated anything yet but everything is written, most of it has page layouts and roughs. It's actually about 2500 pages, so roughly 100 issues. The whole thing is a grand, sweeping space operatic story about the final civilization of the universe, and the ways many sects and individuals deal with the imminent end as the last stars burn out around them. It's huge, but I've done a lot of editing to cut it down to, what I feel, are the things I've wanted to say most. Each arc deals with different themes and different characters that all kinda ties into the same central exploration of mortality and acceptance of the natural order. Some fight it to the end, some accept and move on willingly, some linger to fulfill wishes or correct wrongs, some just give up and exit on their own terms.

I think it's less about the length so much as the ideas and ability to generate new content within the same setting. I've planned the whole thing out well ahead of time so I don't get stuck trying to end it after so many adventures. It's mostly a long series of short stories, the thematic exploration of Sandman mixed with the structure and world building of Hellboy. There's a lot, yes, but I personally am proud of every bit of it because I've not let it get wildly out of control and I've carefully orchestrated and meticulously planned the thing.

Now I just need to get better at illustration so I can finish this thing.

>>2411526
that scares me too. If I lost my hands, I'd try with my feet. If I was blinded I'd probably try to transition to music, but I've been dedicated to visual art for so long that I'd probably kill myself

>>2410619
I wanted to be an Electrical Engineer.

>>2411514
>it shows you don't know how to end a story, don't know on what to focus or can't come up with something new
I think it's more to do with the author not managing to re-invent himself. It's not that easy to create a popular manga, I don't know that many artist who created completely different manga hits, generally they keep with their one success until it's dry. I imagine even their editors don't want them to try something different.

>>2411708
what happened anon? Not what you expected? did it crush your soul and them some, or do you just suck at EE?

>>2411531
>>2411777
>nice trips

yes, but there are still some dangers. if you re-invent yourself or your work too much you might alienate older consumers while also forcing the new ones to grind the old stuff to get up to date (see Vinland Saga). it's important to show in the first few chapters what genre your story is and stick to it most of the time, from which you can deviate from time to time Adventure Time style

another good alternative, if you want a very real life long story, is to allow room for future changes and breaking it in several independent parts. like in Doctor Who, in which the main character's actor and personality changes from time to time, while also remaining true to the original and not forcing new consumers to grind the first parts to know what's going on

>Jojo being the exception, of course, right?
it's on my to-read-list so Idk about that, but Berserk is an exception yes. Gants could have been one too but the author had to rush the ending for whatever reason, pushing away the vampires arch and halfassing the creator-aliens arch, which I suppose was what he wanted to end it with from the very beginning.

so you also have to do your work like you are ready to end it at any moment, start big, and go in details as time passes, like that, even if you leave spaces empty, others can imagine what's in between focus points. don't start from top-left and finish bottom-right, you might not have the time to reach that bottom-right, or have rush it and destroy what you created so far


highlights:
>it's important to show in the first few chapters what genre your story is
>allow room for future changes
>breaking it (the story) in several independent parts
>GUTS IS AWESOME
>start big, and go in details as time passes
>allow room for others' imagination
>guts is awesome

>>2409427
cow tit squid girl looked cute here so I redrew it

>>2413198
>cow tits

You're doing it wrong desu.

>>2413217
is she supposed to look 2 months pregnant?

>>2413198
not really an improvement desu senpai :///

>>2413265
Doe she look pregnant it was unintentional.

>>2413217
yeah her belly looks a little too hyper-extended. Probably a shading problem. make your shadows darker around the edges, looks flat. Also, the nipples look weird. They seem too large or too detailed for how un-detailed the rest of the body is. good luck.

>>2409427
I plan on drawing for the rest of my life because it's just something I do when I have paper and a pencil

>>2413273
give us some of your work

Everyone's life is different. Step one is to stop comparing yourself to others.

Have other people made a living off of art alone? Of course. Have people dedicated their lives to art (for a period of time or the span of their existence) and ended up dying in a ditch with nothing to their name? Sadly - yes.

All aspiring artists want to hear that everything will work out if you just keep practicing your craft, and while that is definitely a major factor and what you should be focusing on, other factors exist and they aren't one-size-fits-all.

My advice would be to keep working on making your work as best it can be, try to find a job that will allow you to have plenty of time to do your art, and to meet and share your creations with anyone that will look at it as sales can come out of nowhere, even if they're pity sales at first. Just don't think "so and so got big at X age or so so and did this and this and this.

Make your work the best to your ability, make it presentable, try to sell it, then work on something else and try to make it better than the last one. Build connections and let people know what you're doing. If it's something that you're passionate about, keep grinding and keep hustling.

But seriously - the worst thing you can do for your self esteem and self worth is to compare yourself to others.

That was my plan before, until I realized that I have absolutely no creative ideas.

I love to sit down and draw and draw for hours. But I don't have a single creative bone in my body. I don't have any original ideas. I don't hav any artistic direction. I need a director to tell me what to do.

Sure there are plenty of illustrators and concept artists like this, but it seems impossible to make a decent living if you're not a creative powerhouse yourself.

>But Anon nothing is original! Everything is inspired from something else :)

Try using that excuse when no one buys your work for being too generic.

>story of me
>drop out of college to live my dream
>earn enough to just barely pay for rent and utilities for a shitty roach infested apartment.
>family won't talk to me
>But thats fine since I am my own boss and I can work and sleep anytime I want. Plus I have internet and friends on /ic/
>slowly building up that client base and reputation
>maybe one day I can afford to buy a car, or a house
>when I don't have money for food I just go behind restaurants and shops when they close and ask them for leftovers. Sometimes they refuse or charge a small amount but most of the time they let me have really nice stuff.
>Some chinese restaurant is my favorite place to go because there is a really nice asian qt that always have spring rolls for me.
>I am considering starting a patreon, but first saving up for a website to host my work so i can get more fans.
>it's been 2 years now

maybe when I get a car I ll ask her out

>>2413320
I hope she'll go out with you it sounds like she has a good heart and this is a love story in the making I am certain she'll say yes be confident bro chicks dig confidence.

>>2413320
you don't need a website to start, just use da or whatever. good luck bro.

>>2413320

shit man that sounds hard to read. makes me grateful for an overall supportive and understanding environment.

>>2411547
>>2411526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZznxMW8Upc
Get on his level you plebs, you can still make it.

I make a living as a 3D character artist. My job is ~15% concept art ~60% digital painting ~25% 3D technical shit. So not exactly an illustrator, but close enough. I got a job right out of school making $55k / year (2 years ago).

It's absolutely possible to make a living, but not if you just want to draw weeb shit. It's probably pretty difficult for the first while if you want to be just an illustrator. A lot of my friends from school who refused to learn 3D are still jobless or work at waffle house or something. A lot of them are decent artists but are in a situation now where they're living with their parents, have student loans, and just post art on tumblr while trying to be the next loish or whatever.

If you want to do art for a living you need be a hard worker and if you choose to go to school for art, go there with the intention of making a lot of friends and then dropping out before you have to get student loans.

I put all my chips in art back in college. I graduated in illustration and I thought that just by doing my work at school and getting A's, I would be good enough for the industry afterward.

After graduating and receiving a total of zero job offers, I pretty much lost motivation for art when I realized I was terrible. I kinda regret putting all my chips into art, but mostly I regret not trying harder in my college years, where I would just focus on the homework and spend the rest of my time playing games.

Luckily I got my ass into shape a few years later and I managed to claw my way into an art job. But it took a lot of hard work and a lot of struggling (and a bit of luck) to get here, so if you do plan on doing art for a living, definitely be prepared to work your ass off. The field is extremely competitive, and it's only going to get more competitive every year.

>>2413371
> I thought that just by doing my work at school and getting A's, I would be good enough for the industry afterward.
somehow I can relate

when I was finished 4th grade I got into a life crisis from which I got out by thinking that if I get good marks everything else will be fine, so I put all my effort into learning and pushed drawing to the side. it wasn't hard since I love learning, no matter the subject

I pursued economics and got into the field, but I found out that learning something and doing it it's not the same, so now I am back into drawing and trying to git gut

>>2413410
I guess that the grass is always greener on the other side

>>2409427
I have 2 jobs but still manages time to deliver some shit on /co/'s draw threads I'm still trying to developed my workflow, Also gave up looking for a gf since I already made friend with several whores.

Do you have to work for companies or freelance to make a living these days? I would rather just do my own thing and make a living off of that.

>>2413522

do you have a large following, social media presence across various channels and a bit of a 'brand name' attached to your person?

if yes:
no

if no:
yes

>>2413522
ask incase
he makes his own shit and lived off patty money

>>2413522
>work for companies
>freelance
>do your own thing

These are three different things. Working on freelance commissioned work is not "doing your own thing". You are still working on other people's projects, but your just an independent contractor.

>>2409444
Now we all know that OP have shitty porn on PC

I'm going to be drawing for the rest of my life. Actually drawing AND writing stories. I'm going to be a comic book artist and no one is going to make me change my mind.

>>2413829
good luck dying single and impoverished

>>2413292
wait... did you even change anything? The tone is *slightly* different but that's it.

>>2413320
is that your art?

>>2413198
Thanks Kyle

>Aspire to "make gaems" as a kid
>Pick up programming later in life
>Study computer science, hoping for the fated ID-esque company to be created
>All of my peers are mouth breathing cunts
>Art students are worse (talked to one girl wearing a disney princess shirt about Milt and keane; got the "Who?" response and successive admonishment because "they're old" and "Frozen is the best")
Well, I'll network with others down the line but a solid art basis would be helpful then anyway.

>>2414308
that's kyle?

>>2417101
You can tell it is Kyle by looking at his feet.

>>2413320
I hope you make it anon

>>2413320
I'm almost like that...

>>2413296
Just like technical ability, taste and a sense for interesting design has to be cultivated and be developed over time.
Do you only consume generic and boring art? Then it's no wonder your stuff will be the same.
Try to find stuff that looks interesting and original to you.
If you already did, analyze what the artist do differently, what exactly sparks the interest.
And don't just look for art in your specific field. Look up architects, photographers, sculptors etc. and find what you like about something and apply it to your own work.
And don't be hesistant to use refs.

>>2414218
>is that your art?

no, unless he is flandore (which i doubt), which is odd because he said he's "slowly building up a client base and reputation" so I don't see why he wouldn't just post his own art to express how he feels. I feel that story would have had a bigger impact on me if he did.

>>2409427
I work out, but i dont compete, same as many other ppl. I do it to look good and for health.
Same with art. Its not easy, but you set yourself apart from 95% of the ppl (perhaps more). Consistency is important and the results will pay off.

>>2409427

>tfw Canadian
>tfw growing digital entertainment industry
>tfw Ontario to possibly introduce basic income at 20k/year
>tfw my art lifestyle is even more secured than ever before

>>2413320
lemme see some work son

>>2409427
Hmmm.. with that kind of art you'd probably never go anywhere. If you're malaysian you might get some spare dollars out of pity. You'd get more by getting a real job but then again were you born in malaysia you should probably kill yourself and hope for reincarnation.

>>2417818
enjoy your communism

>>2413268
This and the line from lower right chest to hip is booping out a little too much

>>2419688
stop replying to him

>>2409427
im thinking of doing one manga series with t-shirts and stuff people can buy and thats it. not entire life, just couple years.

>>2413339
>I hope she'll go out with you...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
no