/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2300633
bump

So is drawing on the Right side of the brain not one of them Free to downloads?
Might check the local Library for it

>>2300677

It's in the book thread, there's a very large repository in the top link.

>>2300677
no, but thankfuly its one of the free-to-steal

>>2300679
>>2300683
how vital is all these introductions and stuff, it just looks like a blog to me

>>2300686
Nothing is vital, not even the book itself. Just read what you find interesting.
If it doesent suit you, just grab another book.

>>2300686
All that stuff is why I prefer Keys to Drawing. Same sort of foundational exercises without all the surrounding psychobabble.

Been drawing skulls for the last couple of days actually.

>>2300633
>eginner Thread
One job

What can i do to make her better look?

>>2300921
thanks for letting me know, will fix it in the next one

I haven't made any progress in months.

>>2300686

Not very. Don't pay much attention to the pseudoscience, focus on the exercises. As someone else said, Keys to Drawing fills a similar niche.

>read loomis fun with a pencil
>watched lots of how to vids
>draw lots of circles, squares, lines, warmup/drills
>try to be very aware of perspective
How the the fuck do I draw? What am I doing wrong? Just keep trying and trying?

>>2301053
You need to start looking at your drawings. Have you done Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right side of the Brain yet? I would recommend starting with those. If you have, you need to analyze your art and compare it with the reference in order to find your own mistakes. Look at the angle of the eyes in the top and compare it to the bottom. See how you seem to have gotten it opposite with your right eye going up instead of down? Look at the chin in comparison to the rest, the angle of the head, the tilt, the distance between parts. Actually look at the reference picture and your drawing.

>>2301053
Are you autistic?

>>2300951
Oh, you better not be tracing mate.

>>2300998
start drawing feet, hands and faces fag. You won't get anywhere by skipping parts you don't like

Any good resources for drawing feet? I need to do some for some dumb project and I find feet a bit trickier than hands. I think each were 2 minutes a part, not sure.
I looked at Hampton, but it didn't seem as clear, I guess? I started by copying Bridgman for a bit than moved on to time feet.

>>2301053

this: >>2301055

it looks like you didn't even read it... you fucked up the cutting up the ball method hard

>>2300633
>TFW all my figures look like freaks
Is getting gud real?

>>2301053
You havent measured the relationships and proportions. If you want to capture likeness you have to measure all of that stuff. Drawings should also take longer than 5 minutes. You can easily spend 2 hours just marking down the feature placements before actually shading anything. You didn't follow anything you read or did beforehand. You literally found a picture, looked at it once and scribbled down a fucked up face in 5 minutes. Of course it will look like shit.

>>2301060
It sounds like you just need to keep going. You look like you've checked out Kyle's feet infographic, maybe check out the skeletal structure of feet in a more medical anatomy book.

>>2301056
i don't

thought this seemed important, no harm in sharing it:

>>2301085
book?

>>2301086
yeah

>>2301087
You too.

halp.

>>2301098
Not a whole lot to work with
But THAT NECK

Is there any danger in moving slightly onto the body despite not entirely getting skulls correct yet?

>>2301104
>is there any danger in learning a new thing
dude what
stop being so fucking cautious, just do your thing.

>>2301054
stopped Right Side and switched to Keys. I'm at the gradient page atm. I guess I'll keep trial and erroring my comparasons in my mind/drawings/fuckups

>>2301055
In this case, I wish. It'd probably help. Helps you, doesn't it? :^)

>>2301075
Or, I'm really bad it. I'm trying. Maybe I'll do a literal measure next time? Doing it by eye obviously isn't helping yet.

I'm trying to blend two colors in photoshop but it doesn't work at all. Anyone know why?

>>2301130
Apparently it's because mode had changed from Normal to Pin Light somewhere along the line.

Am I on the right track?

I hate the psuedoscientific padding on TNDOTRSOTB. right brainedness is literally an meme

>>2301137
Why do the whole axes thing if you're just gonna ignore it anyway? Looks like you can draw exactly one kind of three quarter view skull and that's it.

>>2301053
>tfw there are more hopeless cases than you
Thanks anon, I needed that.

>>2301239
why people on /ic/ get so triggered about that? literally just ignore the pseudo science nigga.

hey it's still me(that fag with ellipse problem)
no matter how hard I try they turn shit, either I fuck up a fov or fuck up ellipse placement
send help

>>2301137
do a page full of different angles

>>2301255
nah I'm just having a giggle. I'm liking the exercises so far. I heard it's better than keys to drawing, but maybe I'll end up doing both idk

suggestions?

>>2301286
Yeah, resize.

>>2301286
stiff

learn to rhythm

>>2301286
I think the waist is a little too angled. It makes the legs look thick and sausage-like.

How the fuck do I start having interesting ideas?

>>2301078
>Kyle's feet infographic
actually i havent

>>2301323
Dunno if you'll gain much from this, but I can't imagine you'll lose anything by checking it out.

>>2301137

>>2301328
Who is kyle? Where is his work?

>>2301405
here: fuckoffkyle.tumblr.com

>>2301053
lol

>>2301053
adopt a name so i can see you progress like kyle and draw super gud after years of you fucking up

>>2301417
fuck off kyle

>>2301427
fuck off kyle

How am i doing? I did it fast cos I lost the will after 30 seconds. My fingers rarely turn out good. And I have no time to practice actually.

>>2301559
>I did it fast cos I lost the will after 30 seconds.

If you lose interest in drawing within 30 seconds don't fucking bother.

Working on this after basically not drawing (consistently) for years. Also this is pretty much my first landscape ever.

Understanding lighting is fucking hard.

>>2301567
heh
is he okay?

>>2301564
Oooh, Savage!

>>2301564
but how do i keep interest and do it properly and slowly
;_;

>>2301574
His point was that you may not have an interest in creating artwork at all. If all you care about is "becoming good," it's a futile effort.

>>2301571

I thought the face made it more.. whimsical? Not sure if I'll keep it.

>>2301567
Is that a photo of a monitor? Are you for real senpai?

>>2301417
Not until I show any promise. Did some perspective practice at work today.

I won't give up until I'm at least not shit.

I have tried to finish it a bit.
It's still weird.

>>2301586

I'm lazy and my phone is right here.

>>2301328
Neat, will check out.

>>2301286
youre foreshortenning instead of compressing 3/4 view, the abdomen split is way too late,

>>2301417
My name is aluminium see you in two years.

I drew a line sketch ages ago and today I decided to try my hand at shading. Here's my attempt at a sphere which seems like a good starting point.
Apologies for low img quality

>>2301608

How exactly is taking a picture with your phone less effort than hitting "save as"?

Do you think anybody wants to see a shit quality picture of your monitor? It takes like two fucking seconds to save a picture. Literally in the time it takes you to pick up your phone, open the camera, take the picture, and either post from your phone or transfer the picture to your computer you could've just saved and posted the fucking thing five times over.

>>2301608
That's..... quite impressive.
I guess you don't do much on the computer.

>>2301644

The reflected light from the ground looks brighter than the actual reflection on the top of the sphere.

Unless you've got another light source coming from the side I don't think it would look that way.

>>2301608
https://getsharex.com/
literally takes a screenshot and uploads to imgur near instantly
no excuses

If I was an absolute beginner, like never drawn a thing before in my life, would my best bet at reaching a point just be reading books and drawing random shit to the best of my ability at every single opportunity I have?

I don't really like following books and the exercises they have, but would reading through and trying to grasp the principles of it all, but not following the exercises me alright?

>>2301648
Cheers. Version 2.

Shitty study of a muscular woman, any tips or crtis welcome. How do I get that smooth blend, is it opacity or different brushes

Is there an /ic/ approved brush set? I've just been using soft round brush for pretty much everything but I've realized you do need hard edges.

>>2301053

Draw upside down Igor

I have trouble with the wrinkles...and other stuff...

>>2301662
Draw something that isn't gross.

>>2301580
keep it

>>2301588
Your 2 point perspective is wrong, the points are to close together and you are getting "Warped Perspective"

>>2301779
Odd the two places I read about 2 point perspective didn't say anything about this, but I'll definitely keep this in mind. Thanks

>>2301784
Check out the book "Perspective Made Easy".
Good book and a nice eye opener.

Any good beginner books on How to Draw animals?

>>2301792
Ken Hultgren's book is great. It focuses on basic construction and on action and posing more than on specifics of anatomy.

to draw faces from photos discourage me a lot it's so hard

>>2301800
Oh wow, looks great. This should do for now.
What about on animal anatomy, anything on that?

>>2301803
if you're trying to find accuracy it can be quite easy.

but if you're trying constructing to get better understanding of head then just do a lot, there's no easy way.

>>2301803
>discourage me a lot
i know exactly how you feel. You're not alone. Let's power through it!

>>2301696
Your fingers has 4 joints?

because my fingers only have 3 joints

>>2301559
don't use lined paper

Can someone give me some advices with charcoals and pastels, or link some good tutorials.

>>2301053

loosen up. It looks like you're fucking yourself up by trying too hard to use all this new information about drawing you've collected. Just look at the picture and try to see the lines that make up the shape of her head. Draw it a couple more times.

I'm having trouble with this page. It feels like my drawing is flipped but I have the paper in the right space. Could it be because I'm seeing the side in perspective now, after I've seen it flat that it looks misplaced?

>>2301839
bigassmessage.com/e84c1

>>2301843
here is a tip
if you haven't done this already
use your pencil to measure angles. you know what a 90 degree angle looks like, so compare it to that.
also can we see the pic you drew?

>>2301662
>muscular
>woman
kek

>>2301845
I'll try the exercise again, because I scribbled/drew ellipses over the other one.

Shitty ass hair pls help

Also, how does one get into digitally coloring? I don't know how to do anything but put lines down. I use manga studio.

>>2301853
why not try grayscale first, unless you're set on color. just pick a color and use it for your midtone. color all of it that. then you can add in your highlights and shadows, as usual.

>>2301844
Nice, but not helping. Although I've been reading loomis and I will read it more in the future.
>>2301839
I did linework in 5 minutes just so I could get to shading, used a reference picture form mia wasikowska and a skull from this thread.

How long have most of you been posting itt? I've never been a frequent poster but I always find myself coming back to here... I have been drawing for almost 2 years.

>>2301855
>I did linework
can you explain? did you do construction or just contour the best you could or something like that? The Head and Hands by Loomis goes over a lot of proportion, which seems to be your biggest problem. But, remember, you'll be drawing a lot more than you'll be looking in that book

>>2301854
I've literally never colored anything before, does that mean pick a random color and use it for everything, and then make variations on the color? Sorry, I'm new to this stuff.

>>2301845
After doing it again, I believe it's not looking right to me because of how warped the perspective is. I need to make my point farther away, however I have trouble trying to find the point of the page. Is there a method to guessing where the point is even when it's of the page?

>>2301858
(pic 1/2)
here is an example of value. proko has a nice video of this with an egg on youtube.

hopefully this will help you. I don't suggest using a shitty trackpad like i did, though.

>>2301864
>>2301858
2/2
but vary your color some. play around with cool colors and warm colors

>>2301861
ahh. give it a 3rd dimension. The door is flat. it all looks like one piece of paper. The wall has thickness. Show that and maybe it will look better. Also, your vanishing point seems... maybe not quite correct? add another piece of paper to the side if you need to draw it out.

>>2301864
>>2301867

Thank you, it helps more than you know

>>2301872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3WmrWUEIJo

he explains it better.

>>2301857
I mapped out some of the shadows, from neutral grey to black and did some lines for the eyes, mouth, lips and nose.

Anyways, added some more hair and a bit shadow. Also realized I hadn't looked that reference picture after shading. I'm polishing my turd, I know that but I don't got anything else to do besides my coffee and porridge.

>>2301874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U

the placement is in the video above. that is not as big of an issue for you, but you should still watch it. The construction in this video is more important to you. You should do this every drawing you do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZLkyTuX_w

watch that one for sure.

one thing that is common is to draw the eyes too big. Though they are detailed, they are not actually really that big at all.

I hate myself. I've been going at this all day. How the hell do fingers work

>>2301878

>>2301861
the diagonals should meet at one point on the horizon line, hope that helps with the warping

Literally just did this, I've never used water colour before. Any tips? (I am aware the shadows don't line up that was accidental and I'm mad at myself about it)

>>2301913
what brand homi

>>2301913
here is what an apple should look like +complimentary leaf

>>2301915
123 art set? I paid like 5 bucks for it so I doubt it's that great. I just wanted to try it out.

>>2301916
My apple

>>2301918
>>2301916
>>2301913
>>2301917
so do you see that there is more variation in the shadows? even in the hue a little? also, no that is very bad. get this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DG8UOF4/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1448953352&sr=1&keywords=sennelier

or this:
http://www.amazon.com/Holbein-Artists-Watercolor-5ml-Color/dp/B000WD5WS0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1448953388&sr=8-4&keywords=holbein

they are both artist's grade. there is scholastic (made for kids,) student (slightly better), and artists, which is awesome.

here is a student grade that is worth getting if you don't want the other two:
http://www.amazon.com/Winsor-Newton-Cotman-Colour-Sketchers/dp/B00004THXI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1448953433&sr=8-2&keywords=cotman+watercolors

watercolor is so fun. it is my favorite medium. but if you use the scholastic, you will just run into problems. when i worked with it, it just made me frustrated and angry. get the better stuff and fall in love. You can get gradations and flat washes. the colors do not dial down when you mix them. I used to use copics the most but now I use watercolor the most because you can get more variety of colors. copics, if you have a warm green, you need a light warm green, a neutral warm green, and a dark warm green.... you can't really mix them. just blend. with watercolor, you can get any color and any hue you want practically with about 6 colors (a warm and cool of each primary.) i prefer 10 colors or 12. seriously, it helped me with color mixing, learning about light and value, and also realizing that I am actually not all that bad at coloring. I had 40 something copics and i used them all dry and gave them to friends but now I use watercolor and only have 10 colors and i love love love it. Sorry to make you feel the pressure to buy, i just had so much fun when i used these two (i haven't used cotman yet, it's coming in the mail) and i really want you to, too

>>2301930
I'll definitely check out these, especially the sennelier. Thank you very much

>>2301933
you're welcome. the sennelier is as big as a business card! i carried it around with a watercolor sketchbook and would go out to draw the areas around me. it was nice. sennelier is a thicker paint, and also can be a little darker. just add water to lighten. and maybe get a 99 cent palette at your art store or walmart or something. i had one i strapped to the sketchbook with a rubber band. very compact. very nice.

I spent about 4 hours drawing nothing but 3D boxes and rectangles and trying to find their vanishing points for establishing dat 3D.

after that I try applying all of it into sketching some mothafuckin tanks, its good practice for applying 3D and forms different than just boxes. also lets you practice 3D ovals and circles.

tanks are fucking awesome

>>2301918
your apple sucks

>>2301071
Work on head size and ratios. You'll get there

I don't know how to paint digitally. My pencil sketch came out as I expected, but I tried to straight up paint the same spider, and it's horrible!!

Because I didn't paint over a sketch, and I just went straight into colors and trying to block it in, there is no sense of form. How do you guys just paint something without a sketch?

>>2301985
Here is the sketch after I gave up on trying to just paint it...

>>2301987
Here is a warm up ant

>>2301779
How the fuck is this right? Vanishing point width is determined by your proximity to the object. If you're extremely close to it then the vanishing points are going to be "violently" close, it's not inherently incorrect.

>>2302002
When he says they're incorrect he means it's visually unappealing unless you do it purposefully. It is technically correct but many beginners make the mistake of putting the vanishing points too close and all of their blocks look warped and they don't know how to fix it. That type of perspective can make your drawing look off if you do it by accident so he's letting the reader know how to avoid making that mistake.

>>2301878
People literally told you what to do in order to resolve this issue and even provided books to copy from in order to help you out.

By the way, stop drawing on digital and work with traditional for now if you're a beginner. You're gonna regret it down the road if you continue on digital.

how do I study anatomy
I got to the part where I can at least draw shapes properly but anatomy is a conundrum to me

>>2302192
Buy a book on anatomy, read it, and copy out every image as you go through it. Peck's Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist is a good start.

hello people, I find I draw better when not using reference.

How to draw gestures from imagination? For example I have idea but can't see image in mind. It's like you can't draw what you want to draw, but in the same time you can draw it spontaniously without thinking of anything

>>2302235
You basically draw the same thing for hours on end till you can draw it without said image.

Try drawing a specific gesture/pose.
Draw it in every day, draw it very often. After about a week, try without the references, it's going to look like shit but at least you exercised your mind into trying to remember that pose. Then go back to said references, copy it, then try it again.

>>2301053
>>2301054
Exercise 2E from Keys to Drawing. I know this is objectively better than my portrait exercise. What can I improve on? More perspective work?

Whoa, what happened here?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7EWYwaF6E-H0O-e7LadTqmR4kUPO3jqa

All the videos are now private.
Now where can I find pros doing gesture drawings?

I give up I cant make forms meet or draw fast enough to keep up with threads.

Decided to get back into drawing recently. Visited here and went on the sticky and found this exercise. This is my first attempt, hopefully I'll improve.

>>2302484
Go darker. Much darker

what the fuck, /ic/?
I accidentally changed the brush or something and suddenly I can draw better?! The heads in the middle are the result of this retardation of mine

>>2302222
not even checked....

well, here's another one

Guys, when doing these exercises should I draw what I see or deconstruct it to shapes and draw it like that?

Both? Help!

jesus the bottom one. fuck.

>>2302222
>that hand
>those digits
checked

>>2301053
Right know, I'd HIGHLY suggest you to stop trying to draw complex stuff, and focus A LOT on copying stuff.
Do absolutely all the stuff on Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain, and then copy a ton of stuff from life until you get rid of symbol drawing.

>>2302689

How does >>2302386 and pic related look then? Better?

>>2302708

You're trying to run when you can't even jog. Not trying to demotivate you, but you need to get back to practicing the fundamentals until you understand them. It'll be boring and tedius but it'll be worth it. Read Drawing from the Right Side or Keys to Drawing. Focus on the exersices and not the walls of text.

Cheers mate.

>>2302719
I'm going through Keys to Drawing right now and I'm up to where it says to draw a model standing/relaxed/relaxed and foreshortened. This is a picture I made as a break to the book. What exactly should I be focusing on right now that can help overall that I haven't already gone through (or need to focus on) in the book?

>>2302729

Draw what you see, don't let your brain fill in the gaps. Don't rush and be patient. Put some music on the background, it helps get rid of some of your brain's impulse to do symbol drawing.

Try turning the picture upside down and draw it like that. Look at the negative space, the contours, focus on the details and don't half ass it.

Look at your portrait's eyes. It's like you just drew an oversimplified pair of eyes because your brain saw eyes and gave you a symbol to draw instead.

>>2302687
holy shit

>>2302708
Your practice>>2302386
Wasn't all that bad, I'd really suggest you to keep practicing Keys to Drawing and Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain before moving into Loomis or Vilppu.
I really recommend drawing from life, perspective just comes by itself once you do it enough time, just keep drawing and one day you'll attempt to do a drawing and say "Woah, I can actually do this now".
Literally just keep practicing, I still hold some stuff I did that I could say was even a bit worse than yours, I'm far from being actually good, but I've gotten better, and so will you, just keep practicing

Could you guys critique my gestures? What am I doing right? What am I doing wrong? Thanks

>>2302827

>>2302764
>when she sees chads dick

>>2302827
It seems like you're too contour-focused rather than trying to create an armature to build your figure off of, but I'm not sure.

>>2302828
Definitely a good start, you're obviously starting to understand the rhythms of the poses. I'd try for some longer more deliberate gestures if I were you. In a few of these you're kind of just scribbling in a vague suggestion rather than actually thinking about the volume/gesture you're looking at. Be a bit more methodical with your lines the next time you have a go at it.

>>2302794
>perspective just comes by itself once you do it enough time
Or you can take a few hours to watch some perspective lectures, do a few quick perspective sketches a day and actually grasp how it works on a fundamental level rather than a superficial, intuitive level. It's not even that difficult.

>>2302937
>do a few quick perspective sketches a day

What are some good / simple perspective excuses to practice every day?

"It hurts to live"

First time drawing since High School so not completely horrible. I can see that the face is too wide, the hair is fucking retarded, the neck... is a trainwreck, and the eyes are different sizes.

Any other general areas for improvement?

>>2302945
It's hard to answer that because it really depends on your skill level.

In general, I'd say draw a relatively simple scene using perspective techniques you're comfortable with. Then choose a technique you're not comfortable with and try to apply it to your drawing. An ultra-basic example might be to draw a box in 1-point and then use scaling techniques to draw boxes of the exact same size in various different areas of the scene (further back/forward, left/right).

Another thing you can do is draw one scene and then draw it again but change the perspective. Shift the horizon line up or down the page. Move the vanishing points. Move the camera. Small changes that require you to exercise and build your skill.

Sheldon Borenstein's lectures on New Masters Academy are a good introduction and also provide plenty of examples of quick sketches you can do to practice.

Other than that, there are plenty of books on the subject that are all filled with exercises. I like Sheldon for beginners because he doesn't use any drafting tools, which make his exercises quicker and more casual to work through. You can do more in-depth study later.

>>2302950

Read Keys to Drawing and/or Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain.

Read the sticky, basically.

>>2302962
Ah, very interesting answer.
I feel as though my drawing skills are still weak, however I have read at least half of Scott Robertson's how to draw and even took Intro to Perspective at the CGMA. It's been very insightful subject, and I actually enjoy learning it. Though, I've never knew how to practice it without going out of my way.

For example, with gestures I can simple do 30 seconds for a while and warm up for there. Or even draw a bunch of lines and circles for a good 45 minutes to help with line quality. But with perspective, I have to go out of my way to locate a place and draw from there. Could never find a "simple" way to just practice it.

As for Sheldon Borenstein, thanks for that, as I'll download his lectures and see what that's all about.

>>2303004
If you're working through How to Draw you're probably familiar with the concepts in Sheldon's lectures already, but I do think there's real value in seeing how he approaches teaching it.

Give me the absolute worst, I'm ready for it.

Don't mind the actual details, I'm strictly asking for crits on anatomy, something about this feels very off and I don't know what

>>2302687
lol

>>2303020
arms and legs are too short, head is too big.

>>2303020
remember the elbow is at the bottom of the ribs/ belly button and the wrist starts at the crotch. double crotch to head = bottom of feet

>>2303033
>>2303037
Anything else to add about the leg placement?

are there any books aside from loomis that teach you how to fill out a body and draw the facial features

>>2303049
yes

beginner here. Drew this earlier >>2302500
while looking through the sticky. Been looking through the sticky and looking at the loomis stuff but Idk where to really start. could someone point me in the right direction please?

should i just jump off a bridge now and save myself the pain and embarrassment of trying to be an artist or am i okay?
these are figure drawings.

>>2303083
gesture* drawings, sorry.

>>2303083
I like the flow in the top middle one. Stop going over lines so much, ya don't need more than 1.

>>2303089
thank you very much

>>2303083
the breast on the one on the right is completely wrong

>>2303094
care to explain how? :o

>>2303096
it's very bulbous at the top and protrudes quite far out of the chest, which makes it look like it's floating. it immediately struck me as looking unnatural, in contrast to the breasts on the upper middle figure which look correct.

>>2303101
i see it now, thank you.

>>2301603
the little finger is way too small.

draw your own hands, as many times as you can fit on both sides of 5 sheets of paper. if it helps, imagine there's a box around your hand to help show dimension.

>>2303062
Anyone?

Could I get some feedback on this? I'm really intrigued by underground spaces, their winding passages and inky blackness, and overall mysteriousness, but it's difficult for me to depict the sensation.

>>2301559
>>2301603
>>2301696
>>2301878
>>2301884
>>2302222
>>2302548

practice drawing your own hands in various poses. do what >>2303106 says

>>2301988
>>2301987
are you tracing pictures or using them as reference? i actually really like your greyscale one, you just need to not rush it. the water and light is ace.

>>2302235
im struggling with this too.

i just go for the shape and foggy image of what I want to draw, correct the anatomy, then erase it all and sharpen the image.

you need to study more anatomy, look at people, watch the way they move and their natural composure.

>>2302500
not too bad senpai. do it again, but try to flip the image left to right in your mind also.

>>2302517
looks like it gives you more of a feeling of a pencil. i recommend you observe and practice more faces. i like to watch films and sketch expressions. the way some of your faces are drawn is not "put together right" even though they are drawn well

>>2302950
DRAW FROM LIFE

OBSERVE!!

>>2303020
nose sucks fampai. don't use such hard, straight lines for giving shadow. it looks like the figure has been hacked crudely out of clay. the legs aren't natural looking, the hips are strange. the ass is also really saggy. needs loomis

>>2303083
you aren't as bad as you think, but you are making some basic mistakes. first off, the striding woman in the middle's leg odes not match up at all, and it looks like she's been killed in a car accident.

just keep practicing.

>>2303062
>>2303108
The general recommendation is to start by working through the exercises in Keys to Drawing and/or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

Then move on to Loomis and other stuff.

>>2303108
Just keep working, and don't give up! Persistence and insight into your own mistakes is key. Learning isn't instantaneous, you must learn from and about yourself as much as your books.

>>2303112
thank you. gesture drawing is scary, you only notice mistakes when people point it out. thanks

>>2303112
thanks for the feedback! I think your pic is really cool, and the level of complexity is impressive! on the downside, it is a bit messy and would be better if the shapes were more intelligible. Also, there is a problem with the ending of the tunnel. It seems to be very long, but it doesn't have the feel of it, somehow. Maybe it would be better if it met a roof at the second or third floor and went horizontal. hard to pull of that infinite length thing.

Really new to all this, just about to finish Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

How badly did I fuck up?

what do you think about the idea/look so far? There is still a bit of inconsistency with the body and the hair, since they are not yet complete and on a separate layer. I'm also gonna change the color of the tap of the jar to suit better with the color scheme of the picture.

>>2303128

The underlying drawing was traced, wasn't it? You will not learn anything by tracing.

Tried a few, hope I'm getting somewhat decent.

>>2303130
No tracing, I just copied the photo normally. I noticed that the neck and back of the helmet are too big compared to the original for example.

Other than that I couldn't notice any glaring flaws, but that's why I'm asking here.

Can't be bothered to render hair since I don't know how to do that and symbol drawing is all over the place, but I'm pretty happy about this thing. No reference used.
What should I focus on first in Order to improve?

What is this drawing lacking/what do I need to improve on? Mostly looking for critique on the head/face, but any critique is welcome.

>>2303182
can you take a more steady photo of it? i like to use a clipboard, then lean the clipboard against something while my camera is parallel to the center of the picture.

i think in general you should do some study on light and shading. it's extremely difficult to capture correctly. work on smoothness and avoiding random darker patches. light diffuses, like a spraybottles cone of mist diffuses in density.

>>2303185
Is this pic better? Difficult to take good pictures with what I've got. I'll try to work on smoothing out my shadows. Any recommendations on practicing lighting?

>>2302827
>>2302828
>>2302863
>>2302874
I tried to be more deliberate on these 5 minutes gestures. I`m finding it`s hard to push the pose, to exaggerate it. Any critiques?

>>2302827
>>2302828
>>2302863
>>2302874
>>2303208
Is this to contour focused? After drawing the simples gestures, it`s hard not to draw the contours

eh not satisfied, but not the worst I guess

i made a thing, I know it sucks

>>2303209
are gesture drawing supposed to have nice clean lines or a lot of messy ones?

>>2303208
>>2303209
I actually like this approach. What are you studying for gesture drawings?

>>2303019
Oh, so I shouldn't bother with his lectures then, huh? I see, thanks for the insight, though.

>>2303228

Either, neither. Neither of those things define a gesture drawing. Nobody should be going "your gesture isn't messy enough" but they don't need to be completely clean either.

>>2303228
Gesture drawings are meant to convey the gesture. Don't chickenscratch, but restating lines is fine. Construction is fine. Contours are fine. The goal is to convey the gesture, not to be 100% accurate. There is no "correct" way to do gestures as far as I'm aware, as long as you are conveying the gesture.

>>2303263
>>2303246
what does it help with?

>have to draw the shadows/lighting of a figure
>was gonna go outside and take pictures of myself to draw
>literally 0 (zero) sunlight in the UK this time of year
what do?

>>2303286
Photograph yourself in artificial light for the l/s pattern? It's not like you can't manipulate what the light bounces off of or is diffused by, and you're not painting so the color temperature isn't an issue, right? I don't know dick, so if this shit sounds all retarded sorry famalam.

>>2303289
You're right but I don't really have anywhere in my house to take such a picture

>>2303243
You asked for simple perspective exercises that can be done daily, and there are plenty of those in Sheldon's lectures. I'm just saying you'll probably be familiar with the fundamental concepts he covers in them.

>>2303113
Thanks man I seriously didn't know where to start. Another question. Do y'all use wooden pencils or mechanical or does it not matter?

I need a good book about learning to paint (not medium technique shits, but the fundaments of light and color and that shit) that can explain me like if i had Down syndrome

>>2303172
a tip? ^^

>>2303172

Well, since you mentioned it why not take a week to practice and improve your hair rendering? If you want to get rid of symbol drawing draw more from life or photographs of models.

>>2303083
you're doing pretty good, a little anatomy study alon with perspective and you'll be good

>>2303054
im just looking for details not how to draw the basics. can you tell me which books ?

I need help. I've never drew backgrounds and I think this sucks.

>>2303463
I really like it man. You been watching Bob Ross?

>>2303474
I've watched a few episodes, he was a really nice guy. It's kinda hard to reproduce it digitally (brush textures are not quite the same) so I'm making stuff up. I'm happy you like it, tho. It's for a personal project, a game to be exact.

>>2303239
I studied vilppu's drawing manual and now I'm studying michael hampton's figure drawing. And lots of gestures from pixellovely, posemaniacs and from life. What really helped me was watching a piano presentation from children. Doing the gestures of the same poses, over and over, gave me the confidence to get very loose.

>Go for a whole month without drawing because of school pressure and the pursuit of learning japanese and becoming a networking IT worker
>feel like a useless dull piece of shit
Thats it, im gonna draw no matter what. Even if its for just a half an hour a day, I want to preserve the knowledge I already have.

>>2301053
s t o p symbol drawing. actually LOOK. for example: look, in the photo, at the relationship between her top and bottom lip. put simply, bottom one is thicker. then look at yours. bottom one is tiny !!! teeny fucking tiny and the top is kinda normal. just apply this kind of think to every little bit of the drawing. also, dont think of it as drawing the outline of the face, nose, mouth, eyes, done, as if they're a few components that you stick together. you're drawing /every inch/ of skin and face, it's just that some is the lightest value, and therefore you're leaving it the same color as the paper. that's all.

>>2301559
protip: dont just contour. ie dont stop an outline on one side n then just go around (or anything similar)
start with a structure, use some light lines to block out the basic 3d shapes that form it, and some light lines to settle the proportions (eg one where the top edge should go, one for the crease when the thumb and forefinger meet, etc)
protip 2: don't chicken scratch lines. be purposeful with them. fluidity bro

>>2302667
this is a good way to tell if you're symbol drawing or not. in reality, drawing head-on and 3/4 eyes from sight should be the exact same difficulty. but since everyone knows the symbol for head-on eyes, it feels much easier because you can make it look nice without it being accurate.
draw from observation- draw shite upside down!! drawing w/ right side of the brain recommends igor by pablo picasso. the point is to learn to judge angles, distances, n shapes automatically, thus eliminating the need for symbol drawing. u got this

>>2303128
push your values on the skin, use a hard brush, dont trace, think about the planes of the face

hey guys critique my bullshit. I did some gesture drawings as well as a few skulls

1/2

>>2303859
2/2

>>2303859
proportioning is off
>>2303861
this is pretty decent, try to stop chicken scratching

>>2303364
You're welcome.

Regarding pencils, it really doesn't matter. Don't choose something that's going to discourage you from drawing a lot, though. Expensive supplies can do that to beginners.

>>2303887
not chicken scratching, just line inconfidence. there is a difference

>>2303907
No, that dude was going over his lines and breaking his lines in a way that resembles chickenscratch.

>>2303907

Really, what is the difference? "line inconfidence" is literally the cause of chicken scratching

>>2303916
short broken strokes vs lots of thick or messy, overlapping strokes.

>>2303917
It's a pretty pointless distinction, shitty lines are shitty lines.

>>2303916
inconfient lines = multiple lines because you are guessing the placement

chicken scratching = you somewhat kno what you want to draw but you just scratch the lines down instead of doing long smooth lines

if that anon chicken scratched even the gestures would be fucked

When people say 'sketching with a reference' are they trying to draw what they are seeing or are they using the image to draw something in a different pose/position?

>>2303922
Either one. The distinction is direct or indirect reference.

>>2303887
Any suggestions for working on proportion? I'm very new to working on stuff in a very deliberate critical manner. Also I'm not sure how to get good solid lines, I know aproximately where things should go, just don't know how to solidify and fix in my mind exactly the place it should be and doing it with confidence

>>2303947
There's a lot of ways to tackle proportions.
One popular method is the one Proko presents here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

You can even get tracing paper, mark on the paper the top and bottom of the model, then place the model right beside you, as you finish drawing it on the trace paper.

Or, you could grab a bargue plate, trace over that (get all the small lines and details), then completely free hand it as you have the trace and original copy in front of you.

Just several ways in attacking it. However, only way to improve is via feedback. You're gonna need to somehow measure your work with the original copy. From there, mark what lines were too long, too short, etc. One long line can ruin the entire drawing.

>>2303947
As for better line quality, do this exercise every day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

I chicken scratch like a fag like this anon >>2303861 , but after a good 6 months, I have more trouble doing chicken scratch now.

after 19 days of grinding and leveling up (making progress) i have hit a wall, how do i go around ? do i completely switch what im studying ?

>>2303964
You nut up and keep going, 19 days is nothing. Move forward when you feel competent, but never stop because it's too hard.

>>2303964
you give up and stop drawing for like a month if you are lucky, or more if unlucky. worst case you stop completely until you rediscover your interest in drawing

>>2303969
i'll keep pushing, i have no intentions of giving up.

What do y'all think?

>>2304043
Cute drawing m8, if not in the uguu sense. Was the apple referenced? It looks pretty alright.

>>2304044
Thanks, I'm glad it's being enjoyed! It's one of my first drawings, I just started drawing a few weeks ago. The apple is just there for the Applecalypse pun. I like to write cheesy jokes like that so I decided to learn to draw little comics with them.

>>2304043
>>2304044
>>2304045

>>2304055
What a helpful response.

Practising skull structure on photoshop, with a mouse, it's meh but I can finally feel the skull structure poping.

How do you guys draw on Photoshop? How do you separate the layers (colors, shading, etc)?

Will I make it if I keep drawing skulls with marker /ic/?

how the fuck am i supposed to just spend 5 minutes on a drawing? am I supposed to make it look like shite? is that what I'm going for here? am I supposed to think I'm absolute shite at drawing and that I should kill myself? Is that what you're going for Bert Dodson? Should I just fucking jump off a cliff now because I'll never be able to draw something that doesn't look like a fat retarded chris chan drawing when you're only giving me 5 fucking minutes to work on it?

honestly fuck off, 5 minutes is a retardedly low amount of time

>>2304156
I'm positive you know better than Bert Dodson, anon

>>2304159
i cant fucking draw in 5 minutes

all i end up with is chris chan drawings

its making me want to give up

i just threw my drawing pad whatever the nigger its called across the rooom

>>2304161
Anon, at this stage everything you draw will be utter shit, part of becoming an artist is to embrace failure as that's all you will be doing for the next year or so. That said, the point of the exercise isn't to make a pretty drawing. What you're doing is trying to maximize your time spent observing and for you to more economically use the time you spend making marks. Keep reading and keep doing those exercises and you'll find that over time it will get easier but only if you put in the work.

>>2304164
feel bad

>>2304161
dude, speed comes with time. drawings that i'd spend 3 hours on when i was starting out i can do in 10-15 minutes and make it look 10x better

>>2304161
>Thinking you'll be instantly good
>Using digital as a beginner

Anon, calm down.
Get a pencil, and some computer paper. Then draw.

>draw something
>it's going to be shit
what's the whole point really

>>2304178
There's no point if you're not drawing 10/10 images as soon as you pick up a pencil. If you can't draw amazing shit in 10 minutes, then you'll never make it. You can leave and bitch about it on your blog, not here.

>>2304178
do what you can do, stop focusing on 10/10 and one day you can make it.

>>2304181
>>2304195
yeah I just felt like venting because my progress/work has been crummy recently

I have no friends who know or care about art

How do I stop symbol drawing? I noticed that people say my studies are usually better than my finished work, and I'm trying to figure out how to be able to add all those little details to drawings to make them look more like actual people and objects rather than just 2d shapes stacked on top of each other.

How come no one on tumblr or deviantart has made a post about this?

This is the skill level I have attained with drawing from imagination in seven days.

I think I will get back to this later.

>>2304175
I'm not using digital, I've just got a little thingy I can rest on my lap to draw on it's got a cushion on it too

>>2304164
Thanks lad, I'll try again tomorrow & will try to be a bit more patient

>>2304171
>drawings that i'd spend 3 hours on when i was starting out i can do in 10-15 minutes and make it look 10x better
This makes me feel better, thanks Anon.

>>2304247
how come no one outside these forums even fucking knows what symbol drawing is?

>>2304279
Because symbol drawing isn't a universally employed term. Some tell you to stop drawing icons, some tell you not to draw what your brain tells you, but only what you see, foregoing any sort of classification at all. It doesn't even matter what you call it.

At a guess, it's called symbol drawing because a lot of artsy people (or those they learn from) did basic semiotics and it's a good way to describe what's going on.

>>2304292
>>2304247
now that I think about it, I think it has more to do with how I'm not paying enough attention to the original reference. But honestly I keep drawing 2d objects and not actual forms and idk how to go from the placeholder stage to adding the finer details?

>>2300633
Shit i found this thread a bit late
>>2304348 is my question to /ic/

>>2304349
start 2 hours today you fucking idiot, waiting till new years means youll just give up. You can go into digital pretty much whenever as long as you have very basic pen control.

>>2304349
Look man, the medium you use doesn't really matter. It isn't really a part of your progression in the same level as expanding your fundies. Don't focus too much on long term goals, either, just put yourself into the basics like you plan to and use digital and shit after a while if you want. I'd also recommend not being overly satisfied with 2 hours a day, when that becomes comfortable to you and you've got time, get yourself to push it by 10+ minutes that day, then make that your standard.

>>2304361
>>2304362
I actually started "drawing" yesterday, it's the 2h time i allow myself doesn't become availible until after New years
So really it's "Always be learning and never get comfortable?"

Are classes a good call when self teaching begins to stall?

>>2304349

You should start today even if it doing 30 minutes a day.

Do you play video games, do you watch tv?

You could replace 30 minutes of tv with drawing.

>>2304366
Like i said above, i've already started but i can only devote a larger amount of time after NY.
As to tv/vidya nah not really - the only other hobbies i have apart from full time work are exercise, reading and writing

Kinda dull desu

>>2304364
if self teaching begins to fail just post in the beginner thread recalling your story and ill personally take time out of my day to help just so you never go to school.

>>2304373
Regardless if that is sincere or not
Thanks anon

Is this symbol drawing? Am I using Loomis correctly?

>>2304202
big shapes to mark the flow of the hair then follow by drawing the highlights, give it time.

>>2304144
switch the marker to pencil

>>2304416
some elements seem symbol drawn (eyes) though you're making an honest effort towards constructing the forms. Try drawing some doohinkus

What did I do wrong (other than drawing an anime character and not doing Loomis and shit) and what (if anything) did I do right? Also, I messed up at the top of the head where there was supposed to be a partition but I fixed that later on.

>>2304504
PS, sorry for the shitty image quality, best I could do with my phone and trying to det the drawing in the picture.

>>2304504
just work on your anatomy and proportioning

I've been looking at pictures and drawing these and shaping them out. I enjoy drawing women and just want to get good at that.
Theoretically, if I just draw women as a beginner and study anatomy, I will eventually be good, right?

Inb4 lined paper

>>2304510
I don't think this person's first priority should be figure drawing, I'm doubtful they have the foundation that should precede figure drawing.

>>2304513
What should I do to improve then. I'm also poor so I can't afford any art books either.

>>2304603
the sticky has a beginners' guide with tons of info and any books you can get from the artbook thread

>>2304603

>afford art books

Go to the book thread, there are tons of them there to download in the links in the OP.
Don't use your poverty as an excuse, you'd have to be retarded to not realize that you can get most things you need to learn from for free.

>>2304603
Keys to Drawing or Betty Edwards' book for observational drawing, and Perspective made Easy for being able to manipulate 3D shapes before moving on to figure drawing would be at most 15 dollars altogether, probably closer to 10 and you can pirate them. Drawabox is free, but basically just watered down peter han and scott robertson, and the section on the figure is not good compared to any actual books such as Loomis' Figure Drawing or Hampton's Figure Drawing, etc. Any books suggested can be found online.

Anyone have a remedy or good tutorial to counter chickenscratches? I realise I might have been drawing wrong my whole life.

Is chickenscratching on the first rough sketch really that bad?

>>2304626
Check out Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching 1 video thingy. It's just a matter of using your elbow and shoulder, never the wrist, and sometimes fingers for small shit. Mentally make using your wrist and breaking your strokes too much off limits.

After two hours of just drawing random things in the room
>>2304416
1/3
>>2304498
>doohinkus
what?

>>2304637
2/3

>>2304639
3/3

>>2304640
>>2304639
>>2304637
Idk about my perspective skills, especially considering things such as cubes and cylinders and etc. also still worried about symbol drawing.

>>2304610
>>2304614
Thank you, plus, do you know what I can do to improve the drawing I posted?

how can i improve?

>>2304640
Doing a request for a thread. Is it safe for me to add details via computer at this point or is it still symbol drawing?

>>2304754
>>2304640
>>2304639
>>2304637
guys am I symbol drawing still?

my recent garbage

>>2304780

>>2304741

Practice more 3/4 faces, they look really great so far though anon!

>You furry scum

>>2304765
>>2304754
guys I really need help with this.

>>2304512

No anon, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I hope you are trolling for your sake.
Go do "keys to drawing".

>>2304793

Yes, badly. And you are chicken scratching hard

>Its called sketching anon

No, its fucking not.
But no, you seem passionate enough to make it, but I can tell you havnt listened to any advise in the sticky. Study the whole page, then go through the books it suggests.
Keys, or right side of the brain.

>>2304754
the poses are okay but you need to practice your anatomy more, google some tutorials that should help you out

>>2304799
how do I know which tutorials are good?

>>2304865
it depends all on the way you learn, each person is different. watch a few and see which one clicks with you

>>2304794
Ty senpai :/

>>2304794
He could git gud if he did that. He wouldn't know exactly what he was doing but if he drew from life everyday he would learn.

>>2304924
Beginners tend to underestimate drawing from life. I forget who, but I do recall an artists who drew faces really well. When asked of his studies, he simply said drawing landscapes helped draw depth within faces and help him understand how to simplify it.

I'm trying the upside down drawing method but idk if it's working or not to stop symbol drawing. Should I specifically be doing that one igor drawing?

>>2303112
could somebody please give me feedback on http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1449045323637.jpg

Am I supposed to spend years on fundamentals before working on stylization? I feel like I have to be a human copy machine before doing anything else.

I need guidance and a kick in the pants.

How are my skulls going?

>>2300774

Me a few days ago.

I want to git gud at digital art because i'm sick of people no producing stuff i like.
Also drawing manga would be pretty cool

I'm guessing i need to learn how to draw with just a pen/pencil + paper and then move on to a tablet?

Any advice would be great

>>2305031
still wondering this.

How long do I have to do that Igor Stravinsky drawing until I stop symbol drawing?

>>2305092
Years is an exaggeration, but you need to know what the fuck it is you're drawing before you start slapping weaboo symbol eyes on all the cute bitches you draw or whatever. Understand the eye before you stylize the eye, understand the figure before you stylize the figure, understand the nose... You get the deal. You'll know when you're ready, and when the time comes you either just let your style develop in a faux-vacuum based on your subconscious influences, or study artists who you really like.

hi guys what kind of painting is that and it is possible do to the same on computer

tell me where im fucking up please

>>2305340
you're painting on a white BG and it looks like you have some minor accuracy issues with the silhouette of the leopard.

Ok. In some 4chan ic archive I found a torrent for the "CG Master Workshop- full pack" of courses. I was slowly downloading it overnight as there was only 1-2 seeders available and now at 50% there are no seeders anymore. Anyone around with the files willing to seed?

So I'm going through KtD right now, on the Proportions section currently. I think I get the gist of sighting techniques, but are there any books or resources to help get it down more?

Also, a lot of these exercises require me to practice by drawing people, but I'm a hikkiNEET who lives alone with nobody to ask, let alone get to stand in one position for an hour. I don't want to skip the exercises outright but I'm wondering if I can get the same result just drawing an object. pls help this poor faggot

Is this symbol drawn?

>>2305421
Depends what you think symbol drawing means, but the accuracy is bad, yeah.

>>2305428
are there any exercises to improve drawing accuracy?

>>2305432
Look into measuring techniques, and draw and draw and draw. You'll get there, anon. Keys to drawing covers it, and Dorian Iten's Accuracy thing that's free on gumroad is a pretty okay primer on measuring techniques.

NEW THREAD

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>>2305449

Is there any way to clean prisma color marker off paper? made a mistake :\