/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Reference also works i guess

>>2295200
terrible tut

>>2295200
>>2295204
Why post pieces of it? Just link the whole thing:
http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

>>2295209
Arne's tutorial is one of the best out there. In fact it's the only tutorial I would recommend, most are pretty garbage but his manages to cover quite a lot and explains it very well. You can read it once a year for the first few years of your development and pick up new things each time.

>>2295203
Now this is a horrible tut

>>2295201
the first ball looks muddy, but that "correct example" ball looks garish. Bad tut, 2/10

>>2295217
>Arne's tutorial is one of the best out there
it's shit.

>>2295200
I finally read this whole thing a day or so ago. It was way simpler than I thought it'd be. Good read.

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>>2295269
Is it rage time yet? idk

>>2295270
Rage seems imminent

>>2295271
Not yet

>>2295273
Thread prepared?

>>2295274
get ready...

>>2295275
BAM
>mum i posted it again

>>2295251

Fail. None of those reads as rocks.

>>2295268

>holy shit those elongated skulls

ayy lmao

>>2295278
please stop posting

>>2295275
Trigger the autist/ic/s

>>2295283
meant to quote
>>2295277

>>2295201
>shadows should be colder
go study Rembrandt

>>2295277
Whats wrong with this tut?

>>2295287
This is cool.

>>2295299
Rembrandt painted indoor portraits and in a time when there were limited pigments available. Brown was used as a shadow colour for centuries but with the advancement of chemical technology and paint tubes in the 19th century artists had new colours at their disposal. Plein air painting and Impressionism were allowed to flourish. These things began bringing purple and blue into shadows. This is often the case in outdoor scenarios because of the influence of the blue sky.

So as a rule of thumb it's not a bad thing to use in some cases (mostly outdoor images), but obviously not every case will it apply.

>>2295301
I don't want to start a shitstorm again, but the arguments for it are that it gives very believable form and lighting and is very consistent because it is a set process. The arguments against it are that it can be stiff and lifeless, is difficult to do unless you really know your forms already, is too reliant on digital methods, defeats the purpose of 2d since it is using 3d lighting approaches, is formulaic, only works well for matte surfaces, there are other better techniques for painting, and in that particular image the end result throws a generic blue over it and flattens it a lot which defeats the purpose of the method. Those are some of the main points, but there's obviously more to each side. You can probably tell that I'm personally in the camp against that method, maybe someone else can chime in with more pros instead of cons.

>>2295227

Mind elaborating there, chief? It explains things pretty well unlike you.

>>2295287
that's some really neat info do you know the source?

>>2295299
>>2295316
Shadows can obviously be whatever color you want. If things in light are warm, it can be beneficial to have cool shadows and vice versa. But that rule gets broken successfully all the time and in the end it doesn't even matter how hard you try. Keep that in mind I designed this rhyme to remind myself how I tried so hard.

>>2295287
MOAR

>>2295287
gotta need a sauce on that nigga

>>2295305
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>>2295894

Maung Thuta on facebook. He posted this one to the LevelUp! forum I believe

Years ago, just as I was getting into drawfaggotry, I saw a tutorial for making alien/ insect soldiers from a starting base of flat-coloured blobs. Does anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? I'd imagine the actual tutorial isn't worth a damn, but I'd like to see it for nostalgia's sake.

Also
>http://kitasite.net/b/

>>2295260
That's not a tutorial. It's just a work in progress.

>>2295999
Originally it was accompanied by a blog post that explained the whole process. In a way it was a tutorial because he showed off each layer individually and explained what layer modes they were and how to stack them to build up convincing lighting quickly while being able to make quick easy iterations. But out of context like this it's useless.

>>2295201
yellow is warmer than red?

>>2296028

warmth is context dependant

>>2295260
>>2296008
this should be a little better

Kinda helpful

>>2296087
But it doesnt show the change in hue towards yellow(assuming the sun is the light source since the sky is a fill light)

>>2296132
That's because it's not in sunlight. Most standalone design things like characters are lit with an imaginary ambient light source because it shows the design better and doesn't get cluttered by harsh shadows and values that hide things. It's good lighting for clarity of the entire thing. You don't get rimlights like that in nature either but they are included because it helps show certain forms or shapes better, especially ones that are in shadow.

>>2295200
Anyone knows about a good cell-shading technique?

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>>2296132
>sunlight is yellow
wrong friend ;^)

Do you guys have a rendering/shading study tutorial? Pencil/inking or a digital step by step, useful tips, etc.
Just feeling frustrated with my 'rendering skills'..
thanks

>>2296169
White*
You know what i meant

>>2296175
>white is a hue
also wrong ;^o

>>2296125
That's cool

Anything on slime?

>>2296125
This is fucking great, I always wished there were things like this. Stuff that shows the little differences between countries and time periods in fashion, hairstyles, anything pop culture really. Whenever I see one that shows different suit styles and hairstyles and shit on tumblr I fav and sometimes even reblog it.

>>2296756
Not sure it's what you really want but there were some really good tutorials posted in the porn threads some time ago. They were for rendering cum but I'm sure it's still applicable.

>>2296150
You just gotta understand the forms

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>>2296756

Does anybody got something on poses and how to make they look dinamic ?

>>2297080
Anyone got a version of this that has enough pixels to read?

>>2297176
nah, pixels too expensive nowadays

>>2297160

How to draw the Marvel way. One of the best bits in the book, you should be able to find it easily online maybe even from a google image search

>>2297080
>>2297089

You are a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you

>>2297176
Sorry about that here's the link for the full view

http://radenwa.deviantart.com/art/Tutorial-on-SLIME-202218259

aight get in here

fuckn' 4 chins and their res limits

Lin ran 1

and numbah 2

numbah 3

>>2295260

No matter how often I have seen this, the pose and anatomy of that thing just looks weird to me.

these threads make me cum so hard

>>2295263
bu...but...but
MUH CONSTRUCTION
MUH LOOMIS

>>2297987
Once you pass a certain level you just do the construction in your head to help out now and then, but you can visualize and hold the forms together correctly without it. Also when working with ref you can rely on shadow shapes more heavily.

Anything on how to represent wind?

>>2298136
You don't paint the wind itself, you paint the effect of the wind. So trees and plants can be bent from the force, stray leaves can fly through the air, hair and clothing can billow, etc.

>>2298136
Add particles with a bit of movement blur

>>2295200
shadows do add. you can see this at pretty much every soccer game. this false shit had me confused for years

>>2298169
what he wrote is only true for one light source, and i think even then it could be wrong if there is bounce light

>>2297204
anymore for Lining techniques

>>2297976
How does one achieve line work like this? Mine are all scratchy.

>>2298169
Shadows only add if they block out different light sources.
>>2298172
Only if one object is in the path of the light rays from the bounced light, kind of the cause of ambient occlusion.

>>2295227
only thing shit here are your posts.

Just fuck off already. Shitposters are the fucking worst.

>>2298169
protip, bounced light IS another fucking lightsource. And to get overlapping shadows like that, the object bouncing the light has to either be super close

TLDR you're a fucking idiot.

>>2297089
Pillow shading much

>>2298707
not by practicing, must be something else surely.

>>2298747
i would rather say the guy claiming "shadows never ever add!!!!" would be the fucking idiot.

>>2295275
>>2295277
Most people don't understand that chinese "tutorials" by chinese or chinese americans are missleading on purposes to confuse the competition and flashy to look great in a Portfolio. 10 years ago some dude was busted for making tutorials like that from traced Fotos. He basically reverse engineered his process and the entire tutorial was just a piece of his Portfolio as "genius artist with unreal skills " the thread is lost, sadly.
I think the only artist who genuinely wants to help others is arne from Androidarts

>>2298909
the tutorial is clearly one light source. Like, obvious and clear.

>>2299140
>>2298909
I like how everyone is missing the point that arne meant that shadows and highlights never stack.
Didnt you look at the pictures?

>>2298916

Fuck are you serious? I was looking at the inhumanness of the ambient occlusion and wondering why someone would go to the trouble of mimicing it so stringently.

It could just be fake then.

>>2299192
>It could just be fake then.
It is. Look at the half assed initial sketch, that goes to almost perfect in one step.
It's just a bunch of flash bullshit for a portfolio and missleading on purpose.
He probably modelled the thing in 3D (which is a feat in itself, but less spectacular than someone applying perfect ambient occlusion based on a chickenshit sketch) and then went back and made it look like it's handpainted.
The same trick that all those patreon "scammers" use.
They like to pretend it comes easy to them and it's not hard work at all, to demoralize competition and to misslead them about their process.
Their end results are still great, but it's all smoke and mirrors as to how they really do it.

>>2299424
what's with fags thinking everything is rendered in 3d first.

Just stop with your fucking shit posting already.,

>>2299424
Holy shit you are fucking reeking of jealousy and insecurity.

>>2295203
This isn't really a tutorial

>>2298909
If you look at the full page and actually read the text that goes along with the image, he explains what he means by that, and like so many people have said multiple times, he's talking about certain lighting conditions, he mentions that you can have stacking or additive shadows in other conditions. So really, you're the idiot for leaping without looking.

I saw a horse cock tutorial some time ago, can't find it on google. Anyone have it?

>>2300373
No.

>>2300373
Go away.

>>2300380

I have a commission with decent pay involving horses. Not my favorite subject in the world, but cash is king.

>>2300386
We don't need bronies in denial here

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>>2300373
http://d.facdn.net/art/braeburned/1409623015/1409623015.braeburned_dicktuthd.png

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>>2299469
What's it with the jelly-posting recently? Why are you so insecure? Making excuses for your own lazyness?

>>2300674
Why do people with shitty linework like that feel compelled to write huge paragraphs about their shoddy linework and how they do it?

>>2301166
>shitty linework
Post your work

>>2300674
The way you shape your drawings should never have anything to do with how you stroke or what pressure you use.
If you want to ink an object a certain way you should use things like stroke length and pressure to help you achieve the desired look, not have the way you hold your pen dictate the outcome of your lines.
That tutorial isn't helpful for beginners.

>>2301282
did... did he really make a tutorial on how to use a one step filter?

Like fucking really.

>>2301352
Dont forget to support his patreon.
The thing that sucks is that he forgot to make a tutorial how to trace photos for the background

>>2301282
I don't get why anyone uses this at all. It never looks good, and it's always pretty apparent.

>>2301282
He's giving away his secret trick?

>>2301524
personally I like the look of it when it's slight. It just adds a bit of nice detail in a contrasting color

>>2301529
Thats right. Best way to become a big boy in 20 easy steps

>>2301526
no that'd be how to sameface and practically trace existing images and get away with it

that is his best kept secret

>>2301282
looks like chrompr1nz is at at it again

Does anybody got one of those tutorials with many balls made out of different materials and how light reflects on them?

>>2301282
Please go away ...

>>2301282
Whats up with his english? Hes hardly coherent

>>2302136
He's a cyka blyat if I remember correctly not like it matters he's a faggot either way

>>2302136
>slav english

>>2302385

More like Sheldon Shitstain. Awful stylization. "muh gesture" fuck off

>>2302396

Wanna die, child?

>>2300674
>Always make lines light -> heavy -> light

>>2302407
holy kek

>>2301282
Thanks senpai, I now know how to make any picture look like complete ass cancer

>>2297700
is this funkymonkey?

Expressions

>>2301282
NO

Anybody got the one that shows how to draw a male torso but the head is just a smiley face?

Does anyone have any reference on painting shadow tones?
Like how to mix a good looking color without killing the overall color, how dark you should go, what colors you should mix to get darker/reflected light

I'm fine with light planes, but shadowed planes really kill my paintings and it's super frustrating.

>>2303241
Don't know of any references like that off the top of my head, but chances are you aren't thinking about shadows correctly.

Anything you can observe that isn't pitch black is the result of light emitting, reflecting, etc into your eye. This includes dark shadows. Ambient light (often bounce light) illuminates shadows, and that light bounces back into your eye.

From this standpoint, the color and value of a shadowed area depends on the environment. There is no universal for what looks good.

Your best bet is to learn how colored lights affect colored objects, as your ambient light that reaches the shadows will likely be colored bounce light. It also helps to be aware of the temperature of your primary light source. A warm light source will give you comparatively cool shadows because the object is presumably exposed to the same temperature of ambient light all around, but only the lit portion is exposed to an additional warm source. (The reverse is true for cool light sources)

Check out pic related. In all frames, the main light source stays the same. The first frame has a black environment and a black ground plane. The shadows are black because there's no ambient light. The next frame has the same ground, but now a dark gray environment. Even that light is enough to start filling in the shadows and make the form there visible. Every other frame only changes the ground plane, and you can see how bounce light from these nondescript materials can color and illuminate the shadows.

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>>2303250
I should also add that pic related dealt with purely diffuse reflections. Specular reflections, subsurface scattering, fresnel effects, etc will all affect the forms you're painting. You can think of each effect independently stacking at various strengths. Light is additive.

Any reference on painting metals and the difference between each of them?

>>2296180
sunlight is D64 to D55, so that's pretty much white to yellow/orange-ish.

>>2295263
Is there a name for this method or you are only able to do it after you "gain level"?

>>2303942

I don't know if there is a direct name for it but it is commonly taught in ateliers. You could call it the "Bargue method" because the Bargue drawing course teaches this blockin method.

>>2295274
What's happening between 1-3? He draw with black and white, then what? change layer type? also sauce

>>2303946

Looks like he is setting the bw sketch layer to color burn or something like that and then adds a base color beneath it.

>>2303950
Could you explain with more detail? This painting method looks really interesting

>>2303955

Well keep in mind I'm just giving my best guess here, but I know a lot of artists do something similar. The main idea is much like a traditional underpainting. You just want to capture the major shadow shapes for the block in to have something to work with. I don'w know if there really is that much more to it. You could however take note that when he turns the bw sketch into color the saturation is quite high. A common beginner mistake is to paint with really muddy shitty colors because they shade with black.

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>>2301167
go away Ensio

>>2303241
To make a color darker without loosing his "power" you had a little of the next color on the color wheel and a little of the opposite color.
For example you have orange and want it darker you add red(the next color on the wheel) and green(the opposite of red)

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>>2299567
exactly,it's just an advertisement
>>2301282
also

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>>2305272
What happens with reflected light?
Would I just mix a slightly lighter value of the shadow color + reflected color?

Can it be video tutorials? (pic related)

also have the 6 video pack for starters.

Dont know if to post here or open a new thread, don´t wanna wake up the shitters...

>>2306552
Upload to MEGA please?

>>2306565

Which one??

Going out to work now, long shift down here (SA). Be back to post or open a new thread.

See ya soon :)

>>2306580
All of them if possible

or just Grayscale. Thank in advance

>>2306633
also guys check the last thread about tutorials:
>>>/ic/thread/2269737

>>2295200
That's one useless tutorial.
>shadows can't add. (they can)
>overexposing (why teach this?)
>"no shadow" when in fact the object has a shadow. (it doesn't have a cast shadow)
>space filler poop

>>2306649
>shadows can't add. (they can)
No, they don't. Shadows are an absence of light. Light adds, shadows do not. And in this example he is showing how it is incorrect to have the same light source in the shadow, since the shadow blocks it. So having the specular in the shadow and the other form changes from the main light are indeed incorrect.

>overexposing (why teach this?)
So you can recognize how it differs from proper exposure. You would be amazed at how many people copy overexposed images thinking it is right.

>"no shadow" when in fact the object has a shadow. (it doesn't have a cast shadow)
It's showing what the cylinder looks like without two cast shadows upon it (like in the two examples to the right of it). So you can see it is not banded and that the form is round throughout.

>space filler poop
It's a part of a super long tutorial actually and this is just one part. He threw in several joke things throughout.

>>2306649
>>2306649
oxerexpsure is not a digital camera onyl issue. or a camera issue.

Its a very really physical thing. And even if it wasnt it is embeded in our visual memory long enough thus can be used as a tool.

Why not talk about it.

Anyone got a good foot tutorial?

>>2306832
From a regular in here too

>>2306633
can you post the photshop shortcuts?

>>2306939

Any realistic pencil hair shading techniques?

This should teach you all you need to know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrdAdEHYk74