/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2264923
I see you chose to ignore my advice about how to correctly use that border to compliment your illustration. The drawing looks better, the legs half in and out looks weird still, but it's your choice.

>>2264923

Just curious how long did the inking take you and do you use software with stabilization? I'm really slow, I'd like to get a sense of how fast I should be

>>2264909
Oh shit someone used my pic for the title. I guess I should finish it.

still filling this page with random stuff, don't know if I should go full berserk though.

>>2264924
I'm still not sure if I should use border or not, if you could provide examples that would be great
>>2264926
I'm slow at linework too, it took about 3-4 hours. For stabilization I use Sai, maybe I should look to Mangastudio, I heard it's better.

>>2264909
The 3-armed girl sure is impressed by a dead mermaid

>>2264931
Love those lines

>>2264934
I explained everything in my post before, but I guess you didn't look at it, you should read it though. You can look up either panels from comics or con sketches from nearly any pro comic artist - this one is Eddie Nunez, JJ Kirby uses borders a lot too, and see what I was talking about.

>>2264931
Always go full Berserk.
By the way, I've seen only two files from you, and I instantly recognized it's the same person.
You make some damn clean faces man. One day I'll hopefully be as good as you. You're my sketching role model.

>>2264931
Got a tumblr or something?

>>2264930

>>2264931
Really nice anon, love those melting faces.

>>2264952
What?

>>2264956
He's just asspained, ignore.

>>2264931
>Sketching
>This clean

Damn

>>2264931
how long, and how often are you drawing, anon?

Anyone know how Pacifica's hairstyle is called? Or if it is an impossible hairstyle anything similar?

I don't like how this quick sketch came out since her fat hair seems pretty weird.

>>2264931
Hot damn those are some sexy lines, u a tumblrfag? ill follow you

>>2264970
the fat hair is kinda weird, have you tried defining the ends? maybe splitting certain pieces of the end off but still making it look whole? kinda like some pokemon style hair shit but other than that the proportions are down, keep working on it tho.

>>2264952
if you made this its fucking delicious looking. what tools did you use?

>>2264976
...that is what Im looking to solve, ergo I'm asking if anyone got any refs.

>>2264980
check out deviant art or youtube, just kinda take what you see, edit it for your style, and work for there, if i had a scanner i'd post some of my work too but im a poorfag so im not much help. mark crilley is a pretty good artist, i learned proportions from him but he does lots of stuff that might help you.

>>2264980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjbQV36-3I

use whats up here but not as many lines or definition, i hope it helps m8.

>>2264930
What? I thought the person who make the thread always used their own work

>>2264983
>>2264986
Looked for cosplay, i wanted to see how the hair would behave more 'realistically' considering my turning points and shit, as I had it it was flat bla bla bla.

Anyway, eh.

>>2264931
still focusing too much on style. your anatomy is also still has the same feel to it as before. look at that arched back for example.
you really haven't changed much at all since the first time i saw you here.

>>2264990
yeah that shits fucking hard

>>2265000
the lack of a pelvis is, like, a representation of the supression of her sexual desires as a woman in the cold concrete world we, like, live in today maaaan

>>2265003
srry i have to make some more alterations

>>2264989
I guess they often do but not always? There's no real way of knowing for sure on an anonymous board if it's the same person or not unless they use a trip or they use your artwork for it.

>>2264943
>>2264948
>>2264953
>>2264960
Thanks.

>>2264950
>>2264972
If I dont wrongly write this, its 4xiszero.tumblr, still pretty new.

>>2264961

ty, i really dont draw that much, and college doesnt help at all. Maybe around 10 hours a week. But Im trying to build a schedule up recently.

>>2265014
>4xiszero
cool, im a gonna follow, any tips as far as male bodies? im a bitch so im used to drawing titties but man titties is a different story all together.. not hyper masculine either, just an average proportion of the male chest. the flatness is fucking hard for some stupid reason

>>2265014
im the bitch with the weed in my hair

>>2264994
I think its fine now.

>>2265014
>ty, i really dont draw that much
the ego in this thread is real.

>>2264989
People usually do, but I didn't really want to use my own so I just picked one I liked from the previous thread, since I've also seen OPs do that.

>>2265021
No, only your salt and jelly is real. Spend less time shitposting and more drawing, then maybe you'd be better.

>>2265013
READ THE GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING SHIT FUCKING CUNT SMASHING FUCKING STICKY THREAD AND READ THE FUCKING BOOKS GOD FUCKING DAMMIT LOOMIS ISN'T EVEN A GREAT HOW TO FOR MOST RETARDS BUT IT STILL HELPS HOLY FUCK

>>2265021
this.

>>2265026
i rather spend my time painting.

>>2265034
>makes comment about ego
>smug posts about how he'd "rather be painting" as though it's somehow above dlwhat he considers "drawing".
>likely justifies himself in his hug box

Post your work fag. Gonna guess it's merc.wip

>>2265020
yeah it looks alot better, keep it up :)

>>2265017
Learn where they get fixed on the arm and on the ribs/clavicle. Might not sound easy but it is, just learn the connection, try to find a "pectoralis only" kind of anatomy picture and youll see its easy as fuck. Just a big round shape. Can't find you a pic as im on mobile right now.

>>2265034
>i'd rather spend my time painting
>speaks about ego

Never change ic.

>>2265045
hell yeah, thanks. im about to check that out now

>>2265031
Can you at least help and tell what's wrong with it?

Done the lineart for that viking yesterday, can anyone give advice on using clipping masks and layers to paint proper light and illumination and texture?

>>2265054
I don't fucking have to. JUST READ THE STICKY. I'm serious. Read the fucking books and look up HOW TO DRAW A HEAD AND HOW TO KEEP PROPORTIONS CORRECT.

GUESS WHERE ALL THAT IS MATE?

YOU GUESSED IT! THE FUCKING STICKY AT THE TOP OF THE FUCKING BOARD.

>>2265058
Will do.Thanks, Da Vinci.

>>2265013
your pretty good, if you haven't had any professional experience, this is pretty nice. dont let anyone discourage you, fear of failure is how you fuck up. mark crilley, as ive said previously, is a great art fag and he taught me proportions. look up art tutorials based on what styleyou wish to capture your ideas with, i wish you luck.

>>2264909
Please help. What is wrong with this sketch. I know somethings not right. Not going for realistic, I draw mostly neotradicional.

>>2265068
learn to rotate pictures when asking for form advice

>>2264993
His last picture was only like a couple weeks old dood, his style obviously isn't going to radically change in that time span, art takes years man

>>2265058
>>2265031
Chill your shit man

>>2265077
Sorry. Iphone rotated it automatically

>>2265039
>>2265046
how is prefering one thing over the other ego related?

ill probably go back to glass and columns fuk this xd

>>2265067
Thanks,man.This really means a lot to me.

>>2265056
Dude, the viking's head is too small, the head he is holding is too small, his torso is too slim, he looks like he is awkwardly falling back, like he lost control of his balance because he was spooked by the decapitated head. He looks scared and surprised instead of angry.

Even though you fill your drawing with details, it's clear you are lacking some fundamental basic training, mostly evident by your wobbly line work.
I'd say you throw this away and go back and study simple forms and shapes, because your drawings look flat, and then study anatomy alongside figures and gestures, and then values, before you worry about painting.

>>2265085
It's not a matter of your preference, you were just being a twat by pretending not to understand that "drawing" is just a shorthand way of saying practice your craft, and you definitely still should be doing that over shitposting. People like you ought to try and learn something from those you spend so much time trying to antagonize.

>>2265078
anon, i said the first time i saw him. not the last time. read properly

>>2265085
I wish you'd make a trip to label yourself "ruan copier" so I could hide your posts.
Learn fundamentals please before you drive me insane.

I'm working on this currently and I want each to be a different Monster Girl. Which one should each be?
General touch up advise is fine too

posting cause my adhd is keeping me from focusing
>>2265089
Looks good mang keep it up, render that background you got this.

>>2265093
you speak like an ignorant teenie who knows nothing, and spends too much on /ic/ thinking he knows the flow of this board. I hope you realize that drawing and painting have different uses for its tools, regardless of medium. I think even the most retarded person would know that drawing is a shorthand for "practicing your craft"

>>2265090
np. i make comics and shit but im afk atm when it comes to that, mainly because my scanner broke a while ago, i used to draw like you, and you feel like giving up, im sure every artist does at some point, but you shouldnt, just keep practicing. its a passion. it gives meaning to things. fuck what others say because your talent is a flower and the lilly doesnt ask why the rose blooms when i does its just fucking blooms. you dont have a time limit to success. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTz93Y-qeq0

>>2265102
done. I am practicing my fundamentals, and if you believe im copying ruan. im doing something right with my fundamental studying, while youre here shitposting.

>>2265108
>I think even the most retarded person would know that drawing is a shorthand for "practicing your craft"
Exactly why you sounded like a complete ass when I told you stop shitposting and go draw.
Now stop shitposting and go draw.

>>2265114
ops, here we go.

>>2265090
i like where i am atm, and you should too

Here's a pic without the gigantic pupils. What do I change

>>2265120
nose seems mega long and mega flat bruh

>>2264931
>>2265014
Damn anon, follow'd you on tumblr. Your lines are really nice. Do you Sai or Photoshoop?

>>2265067
stop.

>>2265013
Don't listen to that guy, he doesn't know what he is talking about. Look, you render your drawing in a way it might fool laymen about its real quality, and the truth is it isn't very good.

For starters his head is all wonky, it grows to his left side, his arm starts ok and shrinks all of a sudden after the elbow, his legs are tall as fuck, made even taller by the height of his belt... and then he is supposed to be walking, but everything indicates you started drawing him standing still (the static arm, his right leg too far right, the legs are symmetric until the knees, which are on the same height), and then when you got to the left knee you said "fuck it, I am not drawing another leg", and made him walking.
Also, you render the shadows like you were coloring with colored pencil.

I am guessing you made this from a picture? I'd suggest you go take a look at the fundamentals again and study all that.

>>2265120
First off, resize your shit so it's about 700x700. I know IC says no bigger than 1000 but for all you fuckers out there 700 is comfortable viewing size.
Second off, why would you take a screenshot of your computer drawing instead of just uploading the actual file?
Nose looks as if its going into the face instead of outward, thats your problem. Move it over to the right.
Eye farther away is off, it should be brough down more to be in line with the other eye.

>>2265056
was the reference you used handsome?

>>2265129
didn't use a reference, probably should have; it started as a memory practice, and I liked the shape.

But the more I look, the more fucked it is.

I've done my best to salvage it with changing dimensions, gonna redo the chestplate, I need to redo the scaling.

This version is based around a stockier 7 1/2 head proportion

>>2265089
I like where this going, but the legs don't do it for me. She looks like a toy from the waist down, the legs look locked and her posture is twisted. I love the colours.

>>2265125
>>2265119
>>2265112
Look guys I really appreciate your opinions and advices,I'm aware its not great and I'm not giving up.

I'll keep studying and sketching, hell,maybe I'll even redraw it.
Thank you

(Btw I didn't use a reference)

>>2265136
yeah, legs have been bothering me for awhile, ive been thinking of just completely overhauling the whole piece actually

>>2265121
My pc's internet is crazy bad right now, I'm moving apartments and changing the location is screwing up the web, had to do it on my phone. Sorry. Thanks for the input, I'm still kinda afraid of drawing faces, I'm practicing as much as I can to shake it off.

>>2265121
Maybe it's the sketch shading and the continuous lines. I'mma work on it. Thanks anon

>>2265143
nigga this shit is so fuckin groxx

>>2265020
Thx /ic/, you didnt help at alllllll

>>2265143
I cant

>>2265143
Congratulations, you outshit yourself this time.

>>2265153
>>2265155
>>2265157
i'm sorry, i won't make things like this anymore;

>>2265140
>(Btw I didn't use a reference)

And it shows.

>>2265154
because your image is so fucking big you twat. I can't even see the whole fucking thing theres just a giant ass in my face

>>2265161
Why? you succeeded in making someone feel something. its better than being mediocre. Just cuase I said its groxx doesn't mean you can't draw it, I just personally think its gross.
Don't be such a slave to opinion.

>>2265195
i feel like art today its too much about shock, thats why i regreted this one a bit, but ii get what you say.

>>2265154
>beginner thread

>>2265104
Your figures are too flat. The central figure looks thin as cardboard and the curled one looks like a character cutout fell over
I'm sorry to say you're still missing a fewer fundamentals.
work on giving your figures for, it feels like you're still drawing shape. Draw cross contours if you don't want to shade.

muh feet

Quick one before bed. Inspired by the old scary stories to tell in the dark books (Stephen Gemmell for those unaware)

>>2265277
oh man those soft brushes really are scary.

Lately it seems that /ic/ is getting faster.

>>2265312
faster with shitposting, that's for sure

>>2265312
What do you mean faster?

>>2265313
Yeah, I particularly can attest to that.

>>2265316
Overall participation, "general" threads are getting auto-saged way quicker these days

>>2265321
>Overall participation
Ah. Now that you mention it, it does move a lot faster than it did when I first started coming here. I guess I didn't notice as much because I go on a lot of faster boards like /v/ and it was finally starting to keep up.

Just finished this one up, every so often when I'm stuck I ask for a challenge of one animate and one inanimate object. This time I got Turtle and Clock. I think its alright, wish I could have shown off the clock window and the inside of the Tortoise, as well as the bones and organs within. And maybe the actual clock face, kinda crapped out on it.

taking a break from the titania drawing. some faction building

>>2265321
hey a couple weeks back you posted a video of a (french?) guy who is sitting in his studio giving a motivational speech about art and sacrifice, halfways through he starts punching a bag he has set up. Care to link source on youtube again?

>>2264931
Did you make constructions on other layers underneath? Or did you just do those lines from scratch?

How long did the girl head take roughly?

>>2265089
I like the idea of a stack of felines as BG. Maybe make two more behind those 3?

>>2265085
Oh, you're the same asshole with parkinsons. You're so bad you can be recognized, and you're giving other people shit.

As a legion of people already told you in the old study thread, try not painting with a vibrator latched onto your hand.

>>2265312
Is that... a man figure firez?
Could it be you finally decided to learn art today? Good man. You won't regret it.

>>2265441
parkinsons what?

>>2265441
im sure you can paint better than I, lets see your work.

>>2265133

Hey this is lookin better!

Just my two cents, I feel like it could benefit from a little more "expression" in the pose. poses and expressions speak volumes.

For example, having the Viking angrily arching his body forward with his "head arm" outstretched to be more intimidating.

>>2265312

Yeah, I noticed that as well. Only question is: is it for better or worse?

what fundamental do you think i can improve ic?

>>2265495
all of them

>>2265495
>>2265503
Are there any that are more flawed than the others you think?

>>2265523
all are equally as bad.

>>2265523
>How
I disagree slightly with that other anon, your understanding of light and color are pretty good! But yes it looks like you're lacking on all the drawing fundamentals. You should study anatomy and do lots of studies, trying to recreate what you see as exactly as possible. You'll need to learn sight measuring techniques for that.

>>2265556
... I have no idea where that green text how came from. Fucking mobile.

>>2265495
The colors are ok.The brushwork is kinda messy, but I don't know if that is a finished piece or a block in. I can see the forms, but the construction is lacking because even with the rendering of forms things still looks flat. I think you should focus a bit on draftsmanship.

>>2265542

That's not true.

>>2265084
i dont understand why you would take a picture of your screen when you could save it and upload it.

>>2265068
>>2265077
Learn how to take screenshots, then go back to your sketch

>>2265452
That's terrible, it took me about a minute to realize it wasn't abstract

>>2264930
Why are you so mean that you did not answer my question in the previous thread anon? Do you hate me?

The question was what brush settings did you use to make the thumbnail and various adjustments, by the way

>>2265123
Manga studio 5, the best fucking software out there right now, in my opinion.

>>2265434
I almost always keep my foundation lines visible even after finishing, the only one I did on an other layer was the left skeleton, cause I couldn't lower the opacity without everything else also being reduced. other than that, from scratch

must have taken me 40/50mins overall. The face was done pretty fastly, the hair was the toughest part.

>>2265574
It isn't? Seriously I can't tell what it is. That being said it looks kinda neat as an abstract.

>>2265572
I'm actually on a galaxy note 5 using the art flow app. I have no way of telling what it looks like on a cpu

>>2265604
look at the top left, there's arches and shit, and there's masonry and architecture all over the image.

I take back saying it was terrible, it is pretty neat.

Which one do you prefer? It's for an art project. My teacher likes the top right but i'm not sure what to do

>>2265583
I didn't see it sorry. I used mostly a single fairly normal brush I think? I've seen it in several sets with variations on it, and I used a version where I turned off the texture so it's nice and silky smooth. One of my favourites at the moment.

My computer that I paint on has ben having some problems connecting to the internet lately, but if it is working then I'll upload my brushes for you a bit later today.

For settings I always leave my brushes at 100% for both opacity and flow, and control everything with either pen pressure or by lowering the opacity of an entire layer if I want something very subtly glazed (more control this way I find). Lately I've been trying to paint a bit more opaquely (press harder with pen or use a brush without transfer). Seems to help me a bit with getting better shapes.

>>2265611
I'm really digging the top right one. Did you ask the teacher why they like it?

>>2264909
any critiques?

>>2265620
She didn't actually, she just shows more enthusiasm for that piece

>>2265611
>>2265632
What's the project? What are you trying to show in the art?

>>2265639
It's an illustration for a poem.

>>2265556
Thanks! I agree the anatomy is pretty botchy right now, I will try to define features more as i go on. I don't have the rigour to change the hole figure though. Im thinking of adjusting the legs , they contribute to the flatness.

>>2265559
>>The brushwork is kinda messy, but I don't know if that is a finished piece or a block in

It is a block in more or less, but my brushworks tend to be sloppy in generall. I will try to tighten the edge transitions and have better defined textures to counter act the messiness, I guess. Im not sure how else to do it.

>>construction is lacking

Im not enterily sure what you mean by that, can you elaborate. Thanks btw I apperciate that you took the time!

>>2265611
The top right definitly has a better use of values than the others.

>>2265583
>>2265613
Me again. Here's a link to my brushset and then a screenshot showing how I set it up (with another mermaid painting I did yesterday with these brushes). Basically I have some brushes that are just titlecards and blank spaces, so that when you right click you have a nicely organized set. You need to make the brush thumbnails large and have 9 on each row for it to work though:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ttqwe9dq1pcqrc/ReducedBrushes.abr?dl=0

Actually I want to change some of the brushes in there, but it's mostly to my liking at the moment. You might hate it though, these are just the brushes that work for me and the way I like to paint. The one that I used for the dead mermaid wip was mostly the size 250 brush under "brushy".

this is a depressing draw thread

30 min sketch

>>2265661
To fix brushwork just brush along the form or across the form. How your brush strokes look also define the form.

Construction is defining the form in 3d space.

>>2265631
I like this, but just as a nitpicky thing, I would move the guy on the left more toward the center. The way they're all placed now makes it look like there should be a fourth person over on the right, but they'd be behind a tree, so I'd move him to make it look like a triangle formation instead. Good stuff, though.

This thread is full of great criticism, the beginner thread is completely missing that.

Can some of you experts come over there are rate our goats?

>>2265133
bro you drunk? there was a whole conversation going on about the guy who posed for you. Cant believe you missed that.

>>2265667
thanks my friend, good luck with your mermaids

>>2265661

Pretty much what this anon said:

>>2265721


The way you did it now, both legs are almost at the same plane. You should build the forms, try simplifying it as simple geometric forms, and place it in a ground plane, respecting the perspective of the piece.

meh

>>2265791
+1

>>2265887

nigga desaturate.

>>2265721
>>2265860
Thanks, I appreciate it! here is the finished piece nay last thoughts?

>>2265895
Looks better with the stylization, but yeah I would still encourage you to brush up more on real anatomy, because there's some stuff that still just looks lacking in information, like it's trying to hide its simplicity in the style rather than being stylized, if that makes any sense. Overall a nice picture!

>>2265895
finished? still looks like a sketch

>>2265330
I really like this. Since tortoises are slow and have very long life spans it can be interpreted in a few ways.

>>2265895
The lighting scenario you have set up makes no sense really. No torch would light up that much. Flame is a very weak light source actually, and has a very fast fadeoff with distance. It also is very orange/yellow.

I find it strange that the sun is weaker in your image than a small torch. I would probably remove the sun from your image and keep it that sort of time of day when it's just ambient cool light like the purple you have in the sky. The have a combination of ambient sky light and then the torch which needs to be a lot more subtle in terms of its influence on other objects.

Her leg is also coming out of her torso. Like her pelvis would be literally inside of her rib cage.

What are the dudes in the bottom right doing? Are they necessary? They feel a bit cramped there at the moment with a couple tangents and then one with his face cut off in the middle of it.

Might also be nice to have some plants or grasses in the foreground coming up overlapping the rocks.

And what is she holding? It's not clear really, could be a phone or a cup or a watch or a compass or some other thing.

Still not sure how good this looks on a computer. But here's an update. Added more dark colors to emphasize the skull.

Working on this for almost 12 hours by now, gotta fix that hand and arm badly, not enough anatomy grind in my history.

>>2265930
Why are you rendering when you've got almost everything off? All of your lines are inappropriate for a mech. What's that messy texture? What are those wobbly lines? Shit is a robot, it's straight lines and smooth shading.

I suggest you do a good sketch first, this is extremely inefficient

>>2265600
I doubt making a single face could take you 50 minutes if you do it just like that without constructing anything. Did it take you 10 seconds to put down each individual line lol?

>>2265444
>>2265312
Can't tell from the image quality if this is a study from that vid or just a screenshot.

Haven't drawn in about two weeks... just been sitting in bed watching mad men... But surprisingly, I didn't feel too rusty drawing these. Felt like drawing retro gogo dancers, Nancy Sinatra style.

First one from imagination, second using a reference for the pose.

>>2265979
It is a charcoal study

>>2265382
It's a documentary about Sam Dillemans he's a belgian painter and art professor, here is the extract:

https://youtu.be/hCeMgtoRago

>>2265987

LOL not that it matters but idk why I said mad men... I meant Breaking Bad. Never watched Mad Men...

did some study for school

>>2265941
His lines aren't that inappropriate for an EVA imo. I agree with everything else

>>2265997
really good

>>2265997
very nice
Where do you go anon?
is it from photo reference or real life?

>>2266008

i did it from life, i study at the university of szeged

>>2266017
lift the pencil off the page between lines when you are shading, or block pencil in in large areas with the side of the pencil then smooth it with a stump. NEVER do the in between option with zigzagging the pencil back and forth for large areas.

>>2265930
Less detail in shadow, more detail in lit areas

>>2266032
I'm sure you draw better than him too

>>2266045
>post yur wurk
i draw about as well as him but i struggle with that too. i need to constantly remind myself to make everything an individual line. case in point the last figure drawing I did where i did just that for the clothes. it's hard to break bad habits.

>>2266056
This a poor example to showcase your work.

>>2266058
it showcases my point that scribbling values is lazy and doesn't look great. by comparison here's one where I didn't scribble and the results look much more "finished"

I don't think anyone's ever done a flamingo-themed bad guy, so I thought it'd be neat to take a crack at that. Given the helmet, I know it's not the most realistic, practical helmet to use, but I like the silhouette it makes a lot so I'm hard-pressed on how to improve that without losing the shape it has now. I'll probably just use cartoon license to show the helmet being taken off and on off-panel and give him a reasonable head when his helmet's off. I'll also have to adjust his height in relation to the other characters I have, as well as keep working on his armor (mainly the legs) to dial it back to a mid-17th century look.

>>2266064
Do you have any more than just those two drawings?

Also do you just use wood cased pencil or a lead holder?

>>2266045
Infantile.

>>2266032
Not the person you were criticizing, but thanks. I do that scribble shit all the time and then I'm wondering why it looks like ass.

>>2266068
>Do you have any more than just those two drawings?
oh brother do i.

but yes i use wood pencils. faber castells

>>2266065
I like it a lot, love his cape/wings in particular, but I couldn't tell he was wearing a helmet, it looks like he just has a red shaped head

Have you tried seeing how it would look if it wasn't flush with his skull, because it really isn't working as a helmet right now.

>>2266076
I mean more to post!

Ahh faber castells, my one true love.

>>2265904

You are absolutly right, I have extended knowledge in anatomy but the application of it was infridged by a bit of indifference on using it. it would look better if it was applied in a stylized manner. Thanks!

>>2265906

Yeah, it is kinda sketchy looking, but I will probably not finish it because it looks beyond repair.

>>2265916

Good point on the light setup. Need to remeber that the sun is superior in brightness in relation to other sources of light.

The narrative is basically that the guys are following the shepered who is holding a compass. You're right about the tangents and overall dazed composition.

I appreciate the good and thorough critique, thanks!

>>2265133
lol right for the hand, but I really didn't use the rest of his body. I would now, but archive.moe is ded, and I never saved the original image past his arm

>>2265942
Well thats how it felt, the face took me only a few mins, then I worked hard on the hair. Also tried a lot of different haircuts. But you're right, it was probably in less time.

>>2266087
meant
>>2265818

>>2266081
well the main reason you need to practice individual lines is so when you go into painting you don't scribble also because it ruins brushes and it looks terrible. which is why most of my paintings suck. because i don't practice the individual parts enough which is why
>>2266075
should do what I did when I was starting out and for a few months do nothing but fill sketchbooks with individual lines and dots. Because it trains you to not think it's such a pain in the ass. Once you've done hours and hours of dots and lines it really doesn't feel so stressful. I should really get back to doing that because I'm starting to regress from where I was a year ago patience-wise.

>>2266080

You know, on second thought I don't know what my problem was, the neck extension looks just fine to me. How's this?

>>2265154

>>2266110
>botched the connection of the hips, got rid of any center of gravity or balance, needlessly changed the proportions so it no longer matches the style, made it look like she's laying flat instead of leaning forward
bad redline/10

>>2266056
You really don't draw as well as he does

Your line variance is always super haphazard, lazy and random for the sake of "muh style"

>>2266120
oh!!! im sooo sorry! i didnt know that this art have to be perfect like in renaissance, is a reference line, quickly and simple, im not helping a pro artist as you can see, plsss... take a little consistency, and im not using a touchpad, im using a mouse faggot....

Kinda bored. Haven't drawn anything in a billion years. Critiques welcome.

>>2266137
>i didnt know that this art have to be perfect
If you're going to take that tack to try and defend your poor attempt at correcting someone else's drawing, why are you trying to correct someone's drawing anyway? Let it be imperfect. More importantly, if you put a critique out there don't forget that nobody is above critique and rebuttal. Nobody.

>>2266137
why so salty?

>>2266137
why do you come here if you don't come for criticism

>>2266142
i have no problem with any critique but your critique was like if that draw in general was mine, i put in that work a reference that the artist can take it or not, im not changing anything, the form have no change, the position aint and etc. i only gave a simple and probably better proportion for the body. but you assumed more than this... and there was the problem

still not finished with this

>>2266168
No, you're the one who assumed I didn't understand what you did. I called it a redline, that automatically means I understand it wasn't your drawing. What I did is tell you that your redline was bad because it actually added more problems to the original drawing.
>i only gave a simple and probably better proportion for the body
Definitely not. Like I said, the proportions you suggested in your redline don't match the intent of the style, or even the head which you left alone, and you didn't even actually do a good job of translating whatever reference you used. If someone does a bad redline people need to call it out so the original artist doesn't get confused, and since it's obviously not your drawing, it makes no sense to get defensive over it., and there's really no defending the redline you did. Just say "take it or leave it" and move on.

>>2265911
Thanks man but is there any problems with it, besides the ones I stated?

>>2266175
ok, i understand, my bad...

>>2266172
It's looking really good, but I think there are way too many sun beams which is pretty distracting, but overall, good job!

>>2266140
You should study the human teeth, they are not all the same size like that

>>2266199
Thanks! Will do.

can't decide if I should go with full body...

>>2266265
or close-up

>>2266265
>>2266266
Everything you post looks so plastic and dull. Try a dynamic pose next time. The two lesbo mannequins motif isn't working.

>>2266172
There's a good sense of the time of day but there's very little indication of where the viewer is standing and what's going on outside of the frame. You could try putting in foreground elements to fix that. Also water should be a different HUE in landscape paintings. Otherwise it blends in too much with the sky.

warning: blog post
Guys can you please help me and just tell me how bad this looks?
My sister asked me to make her a picture of her and her fiance as sugar skull costume people because she's getting married on halloween.
I forgot she asked me to do it in a tattoo style and I spent a few hours painting this....
I just really hate it for some reason. I can't put my finger on it but man I just think its terrible. I'm overloaded with work right now and I have to have it printed tommorrow,
should I go over it and make it more tattoo-ish with thick lines and flat colors?

>>2266371
ur fucked mate. you want someone on here to just do you a solid and redo it for you?

>>2266371
It's not bad, but the proportions feel off, giant legs

>>2266373
Um...maybe? I dunno. That'd be rad I guess. I'd have to take it to the grave that I didn't actually draw it though.
>>2266374
Just realized that too. I do that every fucking time, I don't know why.

>>2266388
Anon it's really not bad, better than a lot of family & friends get, to be sure. I'm not sure what you could do to make it more like a tattoo though, but I don't think you should be ashamed to give it to them.

>>2266087
>archive.moe is ded

use warosu.org it archives /ic/ and some other boards

>>2266371
Make their heads bigger and their legs smaller.

>>2266056
oh, it's you.

>>2266371
her right arm and hand look awful, the coloring style also is pretty lazy

>>2266390
Thanks, anon. I really hope you're right.... To make it more tattoo stylish I guess it'd look something more to this style? Like the same figures but with linework and flat colors.
The question is just that I don't know if that would actually improve it. Pic related
>>2266399
Okay, thank you. I can easily do that. Is it salvageable??

>>2266371
Use "till" not "'til"

>>2265372

Champion needs his shield bruh

>>2266443
Not that guy but please learn English. Till refers to tilling soil, as in working land, as in farming. 'Til is short for until, which you may notice does not have two L's in it.

>>2266435
Do you have any advice on the coloring style?
I don't really know the first thing about making colors look attractive.

>>2266371
Mate, to save this piece all you need to do is fix up the guys leg, it's waaay too long and the foot is huge, make it a smarter shoe, too - like pic and fix their hands. Use reference out the dickhole dude. Don't worry - you got this.

>>2266056
Yours isn't as good mate. Sorry to tell you. If that's the best you got the other guy is better on technical skill alone I think. Yours is a bit more creative I guess.

If I was gonna frame and buy one it wouldn't be yours.

>>2266075
>infantile

Your scribble looks like shit yet the guy above is obviously superior than you or what the other guy giving the advice can produce.

Never change /ic

>>2266371
i changed the faces a bit. maybe someone wants to take it from here?

>>2266569
>>2266576
>he should keep scribbling
>scribbling looks good
>scribblers unite
its okay guys. maybe one day you'll be qualified to give advice too

>>2266651
Wow man, I wish I never complimented your art back when you were posting those paintings, I think it may have contributed to the disappointingly large ego you've developed.

>>2266657
if i said the sun is hot people would disagree with me

>>2266662
You think people are just being contrarian, but you do have serious problems in your work that you won't listen to anyone about, and you get super defensive and aggressive to anyone who critiques you, yet you keep posting your work. In this instance that guys draftsmanship was way cleaner than yours, despite him zigzagging his pencil, and it's plain to most everyone here. You gave no critique of substance, so it only looks to everyone like you just wanted to throw in 2 cents to seem important, because your advice was far from helpful or necessary. You accuse everyone of attacking you but in truth, you keep throwing yourself in the road, desperately seeking attention and validation. I hope you find some way of moving on from this sad state.

Can anyone help me find and place my midtones?

Cheers lads

>>2266674
i cant wait for The Real Housewives of /ic/

>>2266679
I dig this. Sorry I can't help though...

This came out tiny. My bad. Anything I can fix?

welp, finished this page. on to an other one.

>>2266662
That's because hot is a subjective term and you're using it as a statement of fact. You can say that the Sun has a surface temperature of approximately 5,778 K. It's dubious whether this can even be considered hot since you would be dead before you were able to consciously experience it anyways.

>>2266631
Holy crap! Thanks anon. This actually looks a lot more like the reference pic she showed me... But I don't know if my conscious can take it I give her something someone else made...
>>2266371
Okay everyone. I made the heads bigger, the foot smaller, I didn't change the legs because I don't think that could be a quick fix...
Do any of these look any better? (assuming the middle one will be colored in with cell shading as opposed to just lines like it is now)
Thank you so much for your advice everyone. I really appreciate it.

>>2266760

you don't have to repaint the guys leg, just use the select tool and play around with resizing

>>2266760
Yeah it looks better, there are things I would nitpick but I think you should just go on and finish it up. Take the middle one and make it tattooish.

>>2265123
>>2265600
>>2266751
Hey thanks for answering my question. Wow that is really surprising to hear that about Manga Studio 5. I heard that from a professor as well but I didn't believe him.
I guess I haven't tried it enough. Its a little overwhelming when I open it up.. too many buttons.
Why is it better than Photoshop/Sai anyway?

>>2266674
The guy just gave some personal advice on pencilling techniques and backed it up with examples of how it improves his work.

He didn't suggest he was better and in fact, his advice was soley to do with a potential bad habit, not saying either way whether the person was more skilled than himself. I mean, there weren't even head proportions involved.

Sounds like you have a pre-existing gripe with the guy.

>>2266769
Yeah but if I do that then the perspective will change. I'd have to change all da legs and the fabric too. I don't think the fabric would be able to do that too easily.
>>2266772
Okay I hope you're right. Here I goooo

>>2266797
>and backed it up with examples of how it improves his work
The thing is, he thinks it improves his work, but practically nobody else agrees his work is any the better. I still say the first guy's work was cleaner even with the "bad habit", and his hatching served to describe light and form much better, even though it technically breaks a rule most art teachers will get on your case for. In this case, him trying to use his own work to demonstrate how best to apply a technique when it appears he himself doesn't even know how to apply it well causes me and others to be dubious. I don't have any gripe with this dude, probably only spoken to him 3 times including this, he's never done any personal wrong to me, but I did want to say I feel he shouldn't be so hard-headed and aggressive, especially when I feel there's merit to the criticisms being leveled against him.

>>2264909
Is it okay to paint in color value instead of gray scale? Using gray kinda makes me sad, also at what point should I stop drawing from reference and do more imagination stuff

Four Maidens

c&c welcome!

>>2266679
Same as the other anon, really like where this is going but my advice would fuck it up. Try to find similar art and how they did colors etc

i'm trying to get comfortable with using Photoshop for sketching.

>>2267168
Does he have brain damage or is he on the biggest psychedelic trip in the history of mankind?

>>2267174
lol the dude I drew had big emotive eyes and I tend to mildly caricaturize everyone I draw

>>2267182
Even if its coming from the horses mouth I reject your reality and substitute my own, I believe he is riding dragons through space and time, while discovering the reason were all here.

>>2267210
>snakeearningitsredwings.png

>>2267208
i like your interpretation though.

And now I'm drawing up a turkey-inspired armor.

>>2267210
looks like bubblegum people, cute!

any help for this wip appreciated, especially composition, color, and values

>>2267222
Lovin these dude, very sharp.

>>2266797
No. Nothing of his personal work backed up the ideas he presented. If he posted much better pencil work that he completed with the bull shit technique he talked about he would be correct hut he's just shit

>>2267227
I'd push the lighter values where the sunlight is hitting for more contrast. Also try making the tail fade a bit more into the darker water. Other than that I think it's looking pretty good anon.

>>2266064
I really dig this

>>2266996
Hate the texture in the color. Many will like it but the next one you do try to fill that color in super solid.

>>2267222
The one on the right is slightly out of balance. Otherwise it's pretty cool.

>>2267210
are you doing okay mentally? you're my favorite regular on here but your last drawings have been p fucked

>>2264941
>3-armed girl
not seeing a third arm

>>2266651
Don't attempt to derail the claims here.
They explicitly followed to your point about "drawing as good", not that you should not criticize him.

And they are right, judging the two files alone, yours is MUCH inferior. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't be butthurt about it. Shit's pathetic.

>>2266247

>>2266996
You made this all yourself? Wow, this is very nice, I am sure your mommy will put it on the fridge :)

>>2266996
lmao

>>2267227
I really like it, even at a sketchy stage it looks great, good job

>>2267227
do you have advice on picking colors? also a page with your stuff

why is hair so hard guys?

>>2267434
>why is hair so hard
Actually hair is pretty soft huehuehue

No but seriously hair is kinda difficult to handle. It helps to see how other artists handle it. There's a million different ways you can approach it, and it depends on your personal style, how you see hair, and what type of hair the person has. I think hair is great fun because it provides some wonderful opportunities for abstraction and design and stylization. I think hte important thing to get though is the overall "flow" of it right. Like the gesture and shape of it need to work. Whether you stylize it with hard edges like Leyendecker or soft edges like Sargent, or render each strand like Wyeth, every approach needs to capture the essence of the particular hair. Is it straight and silky? Is it frizzy? Is it greased back? In the case of your image it seems to be fairly flowing with a slight wave to it, but look at the thumbnail--the shapes don't flow well. Gravity affects hair a lot, think about how the strands clump and fall and flow over each other. I like to think of it almost like a waterfall that cascades down the head and over the shoulders. It shouldn't take any strange turns or kinks unless there is a reason for that (there is some form underneath giving it that structure).

Also worth mentioning that hair reacts with light a bit different than skin or regular matte surfaces. It's works through anisotropic reflections, which basically means each strand has a highlight and when you have thousands together that cumulative highlight move across the form sideways.

>>2265997
Kind of pointless bub. Just draw more of them in different angles, the rendering, especially if you do it from life only costs time, it wouldve been different and a good exercise if it was a study and you put in the values yourself.

>>2266064
some of the first life drawings of yours that dont look bad, mabe smooth out outlines where they dont have a meaning( aka where there isnt really a bone

>>2266140
>front teeth smaller than the ones in the corners
why do teeth at all if you dont do them right?

>>2266964
well your colour values suck at giving the values. You also do gray scale because every color is a gray in the end, meaning a dumbed down value, if you study with one color it will throw your sense of value off--

>>2266760
Why don't you just give her all of these and let her pick?

>>2267437
I like the design, but your proportions are way off, and you're rendering is sloppy and ugly. Line work is pretty poor too.

>>2267434
Because you don't have the right brushes

I suggest this tutorial https://gumroad.com/yuchenghong#

>>2267485
>SHILL
>H
>I
>L
>L

>>2266964
"value" is grayscale, using color is hard as fuck so beginner should try to get the fundamentals right first

>>2267407
I have absolute shit knowledge of color, I just bullshit my way through it till it looks good, below is what the sketch looked like a couple hours ago.... shit color and value

, here is my devientart: http://asianfishy.deviantart.com/

>>2267545
I can't even bullshit it till it looks good, I know the colors are shit but I often have no idea on what to try

Happy hallowen everybody!

I drew fanart of Gamecatt. she was into it. lately im still daydreaming that one day i'll get to do a live painting of her cause she's pretty, and i bet a painting of her would sell in an instant

>>2267216
>>2267223
lol!
>>2267311
i'm alright! you mean fucked up in the subject or in the making of them?

>>2267612
Keep dreaming until you start studying how to draw buddy.

>>2267742
Clean pair of sneaks, with a designer belt
Please watch your step cause I'm feeling myself
Throw a flag on the play, man somebody get the ref
Go blah la la la low, man somebody get some help

people like being painted even if you aren't very good. the only factors that get in the way are location and work schedule and as long as your not a creep

>>2267778
I think he was referring to your dream of getting to draw her in person. I doubt that's gonna happen, ever. Not because of your skill level, but because she's not gonna trust some stranger, let alone a fan. Normal people don't do that, professional models do that.

>>2267565
Something that really helped me with color was to do greyscale studies, kind of funny since they're the opposite of color...
but I find color problems usually have a root cause of the values being messed up. because even if you use horrible colors if the greyscale is spot on it will still look decent.

>>2267780
>but because she's not gonna trust some stranger, let alone a fan
thats the whole point of art, is so that you can make other people your fan, and they'd do things like pose for paintings. i dont daydream of being her friend, i daydream of painting her. im sure you guys do that with celebrities and internet people.

i want to paint that girl from game of thrones with the crooked mouth too. let a guy dream.

>>2267808
Well you keep dreaming dude, but you're never going to have those girls as live models. Even people who work on those shows and do stuff like portraits you see in the sets or on the promo art are only given photos to work off of, I actually had a job that required me to paint the cast of Firefly and I didn't even get so much as a pre-printed statement from any of them, let alone getting to meet them or anything. Fantasize all you want, just don't be one of those creeps who goes asking them to model for you.

Theres a fan art contest going down at the community college, so I figure I'd enter it for fun and practice (and since every artist I've met down there who isn't over 30 sucks ass.). Not sure if I'll use this one I may try something else, but for now its going to be Dry Bowser from Mario, like I said I'm gonna use it for a massive ink and marker practice.

>>2267791
Yes that's useful but there's that thing about saturated colors requiring a certain value for maximum chroma and stuff, I wish I could make a B&W drawing and then moving to color but you still need to pay attention to this sort of stuff

>>2267817
just out of curiosity. who's your dream model. or are you too mature to have one

>>2267829
that image is not correct tho

>>2267838
I changed all colors to 100%, you are the one using modified values by photoshop that makes them look closer to each other

>>2267832
I don't know if it has anything to do with maturity but I really feel no desire to have any of my favorite celebrities pose for me. I actually did get to draw my favorite cast member of Glee once, when I used to do theme park caricatures, and that was great. I draw youtubers and other celebrities that I like all the time, but I'd just as soon use photos because it's easier than having a model who shifts and moves.

>>2267845
the fuck is this guy talking about?

>>2267856
this is what the fuck I am talking about, noob

How's this?

>>2267838
bottom is correct, top is not.

aside from the pasta hair, does it look ok? i've been looking at this for too long to tell

>>2267950
stop samefagging. your wrong.

>>2267970
no because wtf is going on

>>2267983
not same fagging, top image is showing color = value. bottom is showing value = color. look at the color picker if you sample some areas of the picture, they will most definitely have different brightness with the default value settings. with the maximum white setting the values are 1:1.

>>2267821
Can I get some response for this?

>>2268007
Looks cool. Go with some nice dynamic inking, big thick outlines, thinner stuff on the interior. Maybe make some of the lineart a bit sharper, like I would have "Mario" be just block letters, none of that organic stuff you have at the end, or more like the way you wrote "Dry". If you're doing marker color, I'm sure you already have some interesting stuff in mind, so just go for it.

>>2268016
Aright I'll try to focus on making some of the stuff sharper, and as for the lettering it's supposed to look like it's melting, I think what I'll do is draw it in the Mario nentindo font and have it melting, but alright man thanks I just need insurance at this point idk why but I still need someone else to take a look at my shit to make sure I'm not missing anything.

>>2268022
If you want it to look like it's melting, you gotta exaggerate. The way this is looks like a bold style. I'd suggest looking at tattoos or other graphic style art for inspiration. Good luck, anon.

>>2268025
I gotcha anon, I see exactly what i got to do, thanks a shit ton I'll post the results later.

>>2267821
Might be worth checking out Nychos for inspiration as well.

Help
I don't know how to paint in PS.

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>>2265434
Griffisu is a manly man

>>2265452
the thumbnail's atmosphere is nice, keep working on it

>>2265887
search ambient occlusion

idk , bdsm archer