/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2258888
Here's your reply.

>>2258891
It's amazing how alike /fit/ and /ic/ are.

Drawing is a skill that improves with practice, hours practised could correlate with years lived.

Most skills diminish after a certain point of age when your brain and body start deteriorating, varying from person to person and condition to condition.

Skills also diminish without upkeep. If you drew a lot from age 20-25 and then stopped until you were 60 that skill wouldn't have been cultivating, it would have deteriorated with lack of upkeep and you probably wouldn't even remember a lot of the techniques you learned.

>decide I want to get /fit/
>should I lift some weights?
>Na fuck that let's just wait
>stand around like a lemon for 20 years
>god tier muscles

>>2258893
It's because we both will never stop hating ourselves

>>2258893

A lot of the hobby boards have similar features/jokes about the people here being too busy shitposting to engage in their hobby.

>>2258929
It funny to me how alot of the worst seams to come out in these boards over shit like /b/

or it might just be that there's so much 'noise' on /b/ or /f/ or whatever that the shitposting fades into the background so much better.

>>2258965
/b/ is babbys first edgy 4chan board
its oversaturated with large amounts of literal 12 year to 17 year olds including the 20-22 year olds who are legit stupid

>>2258888
i think the other posters are missing what you're saying. assuming you practice all your life i don't necessarily think you get better as you get older, you just make different work.

i always think of when people say time goes faster as you get older. I think the work done as you age gets more patient, and more careful. That along with you having to make compensations for not having the energy and hunger of someone young. Say you get arthritis, or are bed ridden. You're art is going to be different than when you were fully functioning. It won't improve, it won't diminish, it'll just be your sensibilities and experience funneled through what you're physically and mentally capable of.

I think Matisse's cutouts are a good example of that.

Well it really depends

Before lateralization happens, the mind of a child is basically on creativity steroids 24/7

On top of that, they tend to treat the paper like its own little universe, which actually improves composition

The problem usually occurs around 12-13, when people first start looking at their art critically, comparing it to others instead of just doing it to do it, lose that sense of wonder of making marks with the pencil, become obsessed with "realism", and stop treating the paper like it's own little universe, which hurts composition

When the child develops their first sense of self-efficacy, and drawing becomes a "skill" that is attached to their ego and can thus be compared as "better" or "worse", it's rare that they continue on to actually pursue it any longer

For those who can push through that and recapture that childlike addiction to making the pencil move to make a little dimensional window on the paper, and channel that energy into a drive to master the technical aspects, they can improve for the rest of their lives

Unless you neglect taking in enough Vitamin A and go half-blind in your 40's. Seriously guys, take your fucking vitamins.

>>2259003
brah, your not supposed to actually believe all of that shit in drawing on the right side of the brain

>>2259008

I was thinking that way long before reading the book. "Kids are more enthusiastic about art because they're not so hard on themselves about every little thing" makes sense to me

>>2258888
It improves with effort. That said, I cannot FATHOM how some artists who draw every day for years on end never improve.

I'm looking at you webcomic guys.

>>2258894
I drew up until I was ~15 then I quit completely. At 27 (2 months ago), I picked it up again, and I was better than before.

I guess at a beginner level you improve with higher perception of space/depth as you age, as techniques/knowledge cannot be lost because it's not gained in the first place?

>>2259059
Because they refuse to improve. They found their niche and are stagnating in order to produce quantity over quality.

Same with the DA circlejerk faggpts, and furry faggots. They are around people with low standards and thus they get enough praise for them to stop improving, believing they mastered their craft at that point.

>>2258969
Eh there's a few good things on /b/, mainly porn related but regardless.

>>2259136
no

>>2259075
lol, almost none of them think they "mastered their craft" they just got to a level they're content with and sometimes that level is relatively low, no shame in that.

>>2259185
They feel quilty for refusing to improve.

The great Miyazaki said that artists (animators) peak at 30.

>>2259339
>Miyazaki

he sucks tho weeb

>>2259339
The Japs seem to think you do indeed peek. I've seen it mentioned elsewhere too. I guess they work themselves to death/injury and fuck their remaining life up or something. It seems otherwise a pretty stupid concept.

>>2259487
I don't agree with him, but I think it was an interesting point
>>2259530
I think what he means is in terms of working in the industry. The older you get, the less your body allows you to work until four in the morning drawing the animes.

>>2258888
Somebody post the "progress" pic of the mental guy whose self-portraits kept getting more and more fucked up.

Once you hit level cap you're done. This might take you 5 years, it might take 30, but once you've reached your plateau the best you can hope for is to stay the same in skill and improve your ideas and style.

>>2259339
Did he mean 30 years age, or 30 years of experience? If he meant age that's complete bullshit.

>>2258894
Also gender plays a role in this.
>inb4 Tumblr fag
Most girls, except for asians and a few east europeans, begin to improve when they reach the age of 25 in comparison to a guy improving at the age of 17. Even if the chick was always drawing since 6, for some odd reason they take longer to improve even under isolated conditions and with all fundamental knowledge, by the time they're in their late 20's or 30's they improve no matter what age she starts at. Possibly from being too shy to look at naked bodies or masturbates too much to focus on practicing anatomy, who knows what causes these overall delays. Whereas a guy who starts at 6 will improve by the age of 17-20 with commitment. Even if he starts at 25 he'll improve way before he reaches 30.

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>>2260035
Source?

>>2260035
>art quality
>objectively measured, in %
If the result wasn't what it is, I would have guessed this chart must have been created by some women's studies team of research.

>>2260039
If this was done by some women's studies research team, the percentages would be over exaggerated with paragraphs explaining that men don't allow them to practice human anatomy studies in fear the woman will become mischievous and blah blah.

>>2260038
Why would you need sources if you can't tell the difference between the work of a man or woman artist. Even if they don't display their gender or photo in their profiles you can still tell the difference. One good giveaway is that male artists are not afraid to add a clusterfuck of fighting and action going on in the background just to make a scene appear alive. And can do it perfectly without looking shit to. Whereas women artists heavily rely on focus points to do the talking while the works would have been developed further or forgetting to put more interesting things like e.g. A lone maid in some ruined castle with no monsters, people, spirits etc. in bright daylight.

>>2258888
Nice quads. Anyway answering OP's question, it normally depends on certain factors like health and experience as an artist. If you have Alzheimer or not been frequently drawing a lot than that will contribute to diminishing skill.

>>2260072
>Why would you need sources if you can't tell the difference between the work of a man or woman artist.

I want a source because that graph looks fucking retarded to anyone who's even done a basic statistics course. The person who made it can't even spell prodigies lmfao are you serious.

I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of you seem to have a child's grasp of art analysis.

>>2260076
*to the rest of your post because you seem to have a child's grasp of art analysis

>>2259003
goddam this is true and underrated

I like all my art, even the terrible art. Because if I didn't I wouldn't draw.

>>2258893

It's all about those (art) gains, bro.

>>2259989
wtf are you talking about?

>>2259989
quality measured as objective data
kek

>>2260072
> why would you need sources for data analysis

"just listen to what I say and believe me on word"

where can i get the rest of feelpus books? only the drawing manual gets thrown around all the time, but hes got quite a few actually

>>2260226
Or perhaps better observation on concept artists and illustrators on various art sites such as DeviantArt, Tumblr, CGSociety etc.

Not necessarily. Tezuka said that even in his early 50s he couldn't draw circles and lines as easy as he used to. Granted his cancer might have exacerbated it, but it sounded like it was a gradual deterioration rather than a sudden change.

>>2258888
drawing is a talent that improves with imagination and determination, it's best not to think about time.

>>2259989
>Possibly from being too shy to look at naked bodies or masturbates too much to focus on practicing anatomy
This is the dumbest shit I've read all week.

>>2258888
if you repeat shit a lot, you get better. same with sports business etc. you dont have to wait till ur 50 not everyone even lives that long tbh

>>2259989
>>2260035
Shouldn't you exclude asian and slavic males as well to make it fair?

Imagine being a incredible painter, then as you grow old you develop schizophrenia or something like that, you get completely disconnected from your personality and reality. But your ability to accurately express your creativity remains.
I wonder what and how you would paint.

>>2260558
Schizophrenia isn't as cool as you think it is

>>2259989
I've noticed this as well.
I studied art back in school, most of my classmates were girls and a few were very good, like they genuinely impressed me.
Long story short, I graduated and lost contact with most of them, I still followed some of them on social media though and continued to watch them progress as time went by. But they didn't really progress at all, years later they were still drawing the same old stuff they were drawing back in school (mostly animals). Meanwhile a guy I knew who was shit back in school started to make some really interesting stuff all of the sudden.

>>2259989
>>2260035
>>2260574
nice reasoning process you absolute stillbirths

no wonder STEMfags make fun of us

>>2260558
there was an artist guy who liked to draw cats, then his cat pictures became crazy colourful shit as he descended into schitzophrenia. look it up

>>2260278
Agreed
>>2258894
> Drawing is a skill that improves with practice
Yes and no. I can tell from experience that this can be such motivational bullshit…
>>2259069
More or less the same story here. Drew until around 18, stopped, tried to quit, back 25~ish and better than before.

tl;dr I draw since i was 5 and I've studied art a lot (college and many related courses and shit) but I felt all my life that i've never really improved so i got to a point where i couldn't draw without feeling like puking and I kinda stopped but it made me feel worse. So I'm back drawing in a short term class and I've been improving years and years of wasted time in few weeks ugh

art is shit.
if I could have chosen i'd want to never have any contact with it.

>>2260566
doesnt seem like anon thought it was "cool", just interesting.

>>2260574
At least I'm not the only one who notices this. I remember a girl who was pretty shit-tier with her art, mostly portraits and fantasy creatures. Years later she still draws the same shit but has improved significantly in skill. Perhaps they focus too hard (some special kind of stupid I think) improve just to improvise their style and stick with it like it's autism, like trying to improve a long-term theme they want to stick with but never considered exploring something else in fear that will ruin their style reputation?
I honestly don't know, but I do know the majority of these female artists become depressive retail workers or baristas who upload Tumblr-style art to don't upload at all.

>>2260548
Nope, because they're the complete opposite. In fact, they are uber-tier artists. It's like you're comparing a golden statue to a pile of shit.

>>2259989
Maybe it's easy for men improve in art, because we have a better spatial thinking than woman but remember, girls can notice a various tone of colors, I see a lot of girl's works with a strong color theory sense.
But in the end, the only way to achieve great skill it's with a lot of practice, even if you are "talented" boy/girl.

>>2260582
Cats, not even once.

>>2260791
Holy fuck that freaks me out.

>>2260558
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