/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2232418
Beginner here. I know OP's pic looks wrong but I can't see whats wrong with it. Can someone redline it? I bet I could learn a lot from that.

>>2232418


This is not the beginner thread, this is terrible and doesn't even link anything.


Here is the current beginner thread

>>2230141


What is even your picture OP?

>>2232421
It's Kyle's infamous early drawing brought about a Malaysian shitposter who lusts for squid.

>>2232421
i cant even find the thread in the search function
fuck it

>>2232419
got ya

Am I putting too many details?

>>2232450
thanks I see it now

lol I have no idea how to fix this mess, either way your back is fucked OP

>>2232419
are you retarded?

>>2232419
the eyes aren't big enough and should be more heavily rendered

>>2232856
>either way
yeah! it's like not physically possible for people to bend forward! it's not because of your incompetence or anything like that!

>>2232923
what does this even mean

I just learned why it's a bad idea to start learning how to render, before learning perspective: pic related, my failed studies.

Oh well.

>>2233342
Thank you, I was brooding whether I should start with Robertson or done other fundamental art books the other day and this just sealed the nail on the coffin.

>>2233342

Perspective is not terrible, just a bit off, but yeah make very sure it's correct before you start the rendering.

Ignore this

>>2233342
>filename
ok it's safe to assume you're very young. so you're doing pretty good for your age. but just read james gurney's book once. and try again. and stop listening to shitty meme trap

doing a beginner stream come say hi
I'm a complete beginner drawing circles right now lol and watching proko vids if anyone is interested

twitch is rainbowego

>>2233502
nvm streams going down for a little while be back later

Can we get a nonshitty OP for once?

>>2233526
you can go to the other thread but that one also has a shitty op because he forgot to put "beginner thread" in the op and the title of the thread making it impossible to find

>>2233498
>james gurney's book
>not how to render by Robertson

>>2233584
>choosing from 1 source
>not studying from both

>>2233377
I'll keep learning how to render - I changed my mind after finding this picture in the archives: >>/ic/thread/S1943812#p1952633
(now he's getting 2100$/month by the way)

>>2233498
>reading whole book
Thanks for your advice, but I don't have time for that - I'll be working with tutorials from ctrlpaint.

Tomorrow I'll start "Basic Rendering 3: Realism" (I think that I already get the idea behind placing cast shadows, terminators and reflected light - that was the main topic of Basic Rendering 2).

does cartography count as art?

>>2234048
no

>>2234048
the mountains look surprisingly 3d

For some reason I like OP's image. The flaws make it more interesting than it normallu would if it was drawn better. Intentional? Maybe.

Dang I keep seeing this meme(op's image) and see it being referred as Kyle's old art or smth. What's the story here? Another merc_wip?

>>2232418

kill yourself for drawing anime you piece of shit

you will NEVER make it

>>2234144
but dat ass. I am no anime fan but I really like the image.

>>2232923
popped in this thread just to tell you what a retard you are. Its a shame that retarded people can't really grasp that they're retarded, because if you could then someone in this thread could help you gitgud

>>2234048

YES!

Started practicing random stuff from info-graphs. It's a lot more fun when I have a clear direction on what to practice. I keep telling myself to 'learn <anatomy perspective proportion other fundamentals>' but I'm usually just going in a vague direction of these and hoping I'm doing the right thing. Like always, progress is slow so I drop it

I understand you can't fit an entire life's guide to anatomy and fundamentals in a single image. I'm down for learning and struggling with these difficult subjects. What makes it fun is knowing that I'm doing something right

>>2232419
The color of the hair: usually is black, brown or yellow, sometimes even orange

>>2234211
Usually people go fap to porn, i fap to these.
Do I need to worry?

>>2234715
Loomis would be proud.

>>2232418
'Is this a troll pic? Its such a weird comination of extremely horrible and awesome looks like its intentionally bad. (or op is just an autist)

>>2234171
>popped into thread to shitpost
it probably sounded funny in your head.

>>2232418
I did a quick paintover to fix some of the issues in this piece

>>2234211
>>2234715
>>2234719
I shed a tear.

Does this look like a cave to you guys?

>>2235087
a cavernous vagina, sure

>>2235091
Kek, that was actually the initial drawing.
I'm assuming that I need more thick lines to make it actually look like something?

>>2235087
needs more random squiggles

Going through chapter 3 of berts book. At the exercise where he says to draw a model sitting down or lounging. I tried to do this but this is my final result. I feel like every exercise takes longer than it should for me to finish and isnt up the standard it should be.I find myself redrawing parts over and making adjustments which takes up a lot of time. I haven't even inked this or shaded it and its taken me an hour. The whole exercise is supposed to be 30-40 minutes. Do I just keep grinding or is there some error in my approach? I feel like that 1 minute rough sketch you are supposed to do at the beginning is totally useless to me. It's always very wrong and doesnt help guide the rest of my drawing because its so rushed.

>>2234821
retardation is no laughing matter, anon

>>2235122

What the fuck kind of model is that man, just use a nude or at least someone in a bathing suit, good lord.

Here's the deal. Everyone says the exact same thing. It's going to take you longer on your first few times around with any exercise, and you're going to make tons of mistakes. You'll be lucky if you do something perfectly the 100th time you do it. Exercises aren't meant to be done once and thrown away, give them a few tries, go back to them later and see how much you've improved. Think of your first try as a warm up.

Every drawing you do you're going to be CONSTANTLY redrawing, making adjustments, etc. The only thing you can do is spend more time measuring things, going slowly and patiently. Even then you're still going to have to take a step back and fix things from time to time. You're going to be really bad at this for a long time. That's just the way it is.

Don't worry about the 1 minute shit. At this early of a stage you should be taking as much time as you need to do things.

Also, go to the thread with the deer in the OP because this beginner thread is a joke. >>2230141

>>2235143

Alright thanks for taking the time to help me out. I was naive. I'll stick to nude models now. Although, to explain myself, I was recommended a website with various figures on it so this being one of them, I thought it was acceptable. I'll use this model and redo it.

was working on something, and yeah, popular shit art here. But im having a hard time fleshing out this sketch I did.
I did use reference, but.. it was from a toy. I hope thats not too much of a problem?

I have the hardest time drawing anime hair. How do people come up with good looking designs?

>>2235146

That guy haunts me

>>2235502
for me its the hairy dude in the surgical mask

>>2235508
Ya that one is grody, I skip his pics.

>>2235438
get that tumblr shit out of here

working on hands

Tried drawing a post from another anon. Can't seem to get the left eye though.

>>2236156
Original

>>2236074
nice values

>>2236156
Aside from style and technique you won't learn much from copying another artist's sketch. Anyways, keep in mind that female faces are generally rounder around the jawline and chin compared to males. The neck is also too wide making her look too masculine.

A tip when drawing eyes is to not heavily develop on one before you work on the other. What ends up happening is a ton of erasing and hours of trying to match the other eye. Try to sketch both of them out lightly before you develop on them to make sure they go where they are supposed to go. Work on them as one unified object instead of separate entities.

One last tip is to reflect the image with a mirror or photoshop and you will see every single mistake exposed to you very clearly. This is a great way to reveal what your drawing "really" looks like. It does not lie.

Good luck!

>>2236173
Great advice thanks anon

how do i fix this other than small line/color mistakes
my first ever piece of digital art is of course gross tumblr fanart

>>2235087
festering pussy

gosh dangit

Drawing this I realized I still have poor knowledge of the legs and abdomen. Anything else I should work on?

>>2236203
If you wanted it to look like a shitty cartoon, you succeeded. If you're trying to make it look remotely realistic (at least relatable to a human head) "small" line changes won't fix it, you need to redraw the whole thing.

If you just want it to look like a better version of that style of cartoon, better symmetry in the face would probably help, and those three circles on her forehead look weird, the color makes me assume that's hair, but nothing else indicates that, they're just three circles floating there.

>>2236441
Your entire torso looks like one solid block. The upper body is rotating too far, and the pelvis should be rotating with the movement of the legs, not the movement of the arms. The leg being raised would rotate the pelvis clockwise, opposite the rotation of the rib cage. The soft space of the abdomen is where the twisting would be exemplified.

>>2236446
Yeah, all what I was thinking, thanks.

>>2236441

can anyone tell me exactly what you do when you practice

what does practicing entail? looking at something and trying to draw it? drawing a thing over and over and trying to improve on your mistakes?

Kind of an undertale spoiler sorry, drew on iPad with finger

>>2236492
patreon?

no

>>2236455
Draw something from imagination. If there's something you find difficult, study how to do that part specifically. I just did the running guy, so now I'm going to work on hips.

>>2234211
You should just get to drawing a subject you're not familiar with, and/or to the levels of accuracy you would normally not.

This why, for anatomy especially, there are no particularly useful infographs. You just study everything of it. Because you need to understand how everything works so that it can coexist and make a functional final piece.

Get a close-up of a body part, draw it, including bone and muscles on different layers/sheet. Do it a few times until it becomes natural to a point where you can do a different angle on your own. There, you have literally learned anatomy.

It works like this for pretty much everything. You feel like you get lost because you are afraid to try. Try EVERYTHING. Even a piece of dog shit you find on the street.

>>2234041
Oh god those hips

practicing generic realism

Any suggestions on how to paint over anime style backgrounds/buildings? Been looking for tutorials but haven't found any

I have a problem with my perspective lines not aligning up properly.

I first made the line for the minor axis and placed an ellipse on it, however when I built the perspective grid around the eliipse, the square's center doesn't align with the minor axis.
I tried all the ways I know to check if the perspective of the square, but I can't see anything wrong with it outside the minor axis.

>>2235146
I legit thought that was senor chang for a minute

>>2236446
dude that's a guy from jojo

>>2236626
tl;dr: That's good enough, don't worry about it.

Longer version: 2 point perspective is just an approximation and even when you're in the cone of vision not everything can be aligned perfectly. You could get a better results in 3 point perspective or something even more complex, but it would take much longer. Since it's a really minor defect nobody cares and you shouldn't care either.
That being said, it's still a pretty good way of constructing a grid, when vanishing points are off the page.

>>2236626
It isn't supposed to line up, it's something wrong Scott Robertson's book.

>>2236863
it's not really wrong, as>>2236861
says all perspective systems that aren't full curvilinear are wrong, they are just useful approximations.

How do you get yourself used to making broader smoother strokes?

Im trying to keep from doing chicken stretches or petting lines.
I hear folks say to draw with your whole arm but i have even worse control when doing that

>>2236957
You will have worse control at first, since it's new. Just keep doing it.

I'm having a really difficult time putting everything together for figure drawing from imagination. I can sketch out simple and not completely terrible gestures and skeletal mannequins, and I feel like I'm pretty good at drawing simple forms. But when I put it all together I feel like I'm missing a step or something. I feel completely hopeless when it comes to drawing figure from imagination, and I just don't know if I'm missing something or just need to do it a shitload more.

Are there any specific ways artists tackle figures, beginning to end, that you'd recommend? And when do the more specific features of anatomy come in? Like, gesture I can grasp. Mannequin, a-okay. Forms, not too terrible. But put them together and it falls apart. It just seems like such a monumental thing to try and tackle.

>>2232418
I fucked up. Help.

Am I doing okay so far? Haven't drawn in years.

>>2237385
Eh, not terrible I guess.
Looks like a trace.. but I've never been a big fan of carbon copying art.
That being said, you chose a pretty terrible image to copy.
Unless you're painting, try avoiding abstract messes like that. It's fairly simple and relies on being trippy to be passable.
For you to get back into drawan, you should draw some models, work on anatomy n' shit until you get a feel for drawing again.
Wouldn't hurt to watch some lessons like Proko or something.

>>2237390
Aw I really liked it :(

But yeah alright I'll try anatomy

Fuck me sideways.

I need some suggestions for drawing with ink. I know the bottom boat part was poorly constructed before I even got going but as soon as I started fucking up down there everything just barrelled out of control.

Picking a subject I'd never drawn before with a medium I'd never used before was probably a dumb idea.

Fuck me sideways.

I need some suggestions for drawing with ink. I know the bottom boat part was poorly constructed before I even got going but as soon as I started fucking up down there everything just barrelled out of control.

Picking a subject I'd never drawn before with a medium I'd never used before was probably a dumb idea.

>>2237413
Your sails are fantastic, but the hull of the ship seems very poor and boxxy.
On a classic ship like that, there's a almost tulip shape to the boat, along with drains in the side, cannon slots, it varies in height with the back being the highest, front being half way, and the deck being the lowest. I can't see the large support of wood running from the bow to the stern. It also doesn't seem to connect to the figurehead. (pole attached to the front)
(pic related)
Your crows nest looks pretty fukken neato though.

Figured this is a good place to ask

Best Buy sells Intuos tablets that use a stylus so i assume that its for drawing on the computer and shit.

If i wanted to get into this would getting one of those Intuos tablets be a good idea?

>>2237420

Wacom's branding is fucking retarded and (probably intentionally) confusing.

There are various Intuos tablets. They used to be their mid-higher end, but now they've also rebranded their lower end tablets to be called intuos.
Assuming you mean these, they're good to start with. Just don't cheap out and get a small. Get at least a medium.

A step up from them is the Intuos Pro, which has twice the pen sensitivity. Depending on who you ask that's an incredible upgrade or practically worthless, a lot depends on what you do.

>>2237413
Stop chickenscratching, invest time into cross-hatching properly.

>>2237425

I guess I'm going to need to sit my ass down for a few days and do those Peter Han line exercises, aren't I?

>>2237423
Is the small a lot worse than the medium?

The Best Buy has a Small, a Medium, then another Medium that costs more. Money isnt really an issue because the only expense i have is my phone and when were in town and i go out to buy shit/waste my money.

I ask because i live on a fishing boat but weve had a lot of free time lately and i was thinking of taking up drawing and figured using one of those drawing tablets was the best way to go about it.

id seriously just be starting so it would be really basic drawing. No photoshop stuff or whatever

>>2237426
They can't hurt, but you can just sit down and draw what you like while paying attention to your lines. A shitty but clean line is always more appealing than a chicken scratched straight line.

pic unrelated

>>2237427
If price is really no problem...
You'll be BEST off with a cintiq companion.
You'll be fantastic with an Inutos Pro, big as you can get. (if need be online)
For the cheaper ones, the medium Intuos is fine.
For scraping the bottom of the barrel, a Huion h610 pro is alright.

>>2237427
Why don't you use traditional materials. Tablets are more for inside jobs. You can get some nice materials for the cost of a tablet.

>>2237431
We cant get stuff mailed to us so we have to buy stuff at whatever port were at. The Best Buy is the only store that caries stuff where were at thats close enough to walk so i guess il just get the medium one.

Thanks for the help

P.S. i spray these stencils in the towns we end up in all the time so if youve seen them, iv been around

>>2237427

As an anon that started digitally and has recently branched into traditional, I do think that starting with traditional could be a wise choice. Just to make sure you have a feel for it, and it forces you to be a little more deliberate.

That said, if you really want to start digital (I was the same way) then I say start with the Intuos Pen and Touch Medium or, if you're adventurous enough to spring about twice as much money, go for the Intuos Pro Medium.

The Intuos Pro - unless you drop it or something - should last you. You'll probably want to upgrade from the pen and touch after a while, but if you're not sure digital art is for you it might still be better to hedge your bets.

>>2237432
We dont really have much room. I live in an estate room with four other guys. We all have our own bunks on the walls so its not like we dont have any privacy but we just dont have much room at all. We try to keep our personal stuff in our bunks so shit doesnt go everywhere.

I realize traditional stuff doesnt take up much room but a tablet would just be easier to manage with I think

>>2237436
Thanks Anon, Il grab one of the mediums the if i still want it in a weeks time

What are some of the best ways to approach value simply using black and white. Any tutorials on the subject?

>>2237625
Mignola actually has a tutorial I saw once where he did a graveyard and showed his process and explained his thoughts.

But in all honesty, it's a difficult subject that can't be summed up in a tutorial and also will vary a lot from person to person. A lot of it is experience and taste more than anything else.

>>2237632
Thought as much. To simplify something so much while conveying a message of what your drawing looks very challenging. I was just hoping for more insight, but in this case, it sounds like a case of trail and error till I get something that looks correct to me.

>>2237625

>>2235087
What about now?

>>2237641

Thanks for that image.
On the subject, what would you recommend for a great "Art of Inking" type book to look into? Giving a google search, the results are quiet overwhelming, but all seem good.

>>2238068
>A.L.Guptill - Drawing with Pen and Ink I - 1930

there was a torrent flying around, try asking in the book thread

>>2238081

>>2238082

>>2238081
Oh, I happen to have that book on hand. I'm guessing this will give me more insight on how to capture that black and white value. I'll look more into it.

>>2236518
and being bad at it

>>2238145

you told him bro that was fucking sick

>>2238085
>>2238082
>>2238081
>>2237641
what is this from?

>>2238167
Try reading the posts you just link and stop looking at the images.

So i took some time to do some gesture practice, after some critique though apparently these arent gestures? I thought I was improving.

Gesture is to get the general pose of the figure done, right? does not have to be detailed.
If im doing this wrong or if im just wasting my time grinding this way, id love to know. im lost here.

some day...

>>2238360
On the right track, keep it up

>>2238354
see >>2238360
You're doing too much structure, and it's making your gestures rigid. Anatomy is not the focus of gesture drawing, the flow of the pose is killed by structure. Try and build flowing, gestural lines, not contours of anatomy

>>2238372
>You're doing too much structure
Okay, would you be doing that if one were to practice structure?
>the flow of the pose is killed by structure.
then how do you add structure onto a gesture if it messes up the gesture in the process?

>>2232418
Polished shit art is probably the most interesting visual experience.

>>2237975
Are you colorblind or why is your vagina burning?

>>2238386
Vilppu
Look him up

Is it alright if I were to avoid sketchbooks with "grainy" texture paper and buy smooth papered ones instead or will that bite me in the cock in the long run?

My only medium is just pencil/ink (for highlights only) on paper currently, and I find it hard to draw with texturized paper.

>>2237641
>>2237625

Speaking of comic book style, what's a good pen out there to use to capture all that black?

tell me what to do to my brush in paintool SAI to make sketching look better, dont see artists with this shit and I dont have stats on a good brush for sketches hook a brutha up lmao

>>2234048
where do you actually learn to do / improve on that shit? ive got a pen drawn map, but if I posted it even in this thread I'd genuinely get banned

Eyes are tired as hell so I did these in a black background. I think I'm gonna keep it like this.

Okay, I've been trying to practice drawing and going to the gym instead of just telling myself I'll go everyday.

Here's a picture of a lemon I drew today based off this image https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Lemon.jpg
Here's one I drew a few days ago, which was rushed http://imgur.com/Q8BXJcX
and one I drew a few months ago http://imgur.com/gGt3VKc

Does it seem like I've improved at all?
Also, I can't seem to get the hang of perspective, is there any tips or something I could read that would make it more clear to me?

>>2239273
you should check out drawabox, one of the first exercises if precisely something like this

>>2239273
It looks very flat, Id suggest drawing from life, and drawing several times a day if you're not already.
You need to spend more time looking at the objects you're drawing as well, you're symbol drawing

>>2238933
Why the hell would you get banned over a map?

Holy FUCK how do I start perspective!? The perspective lines just make me confused

>>2233342
Ha, are you the guy that got super pissed when everybody told you, you should move on and and not render cubes for 3 months straight?

>>2235494
>animu
>lined paper

TRIGGERED

>>2239407
drawabox

>>2234832
Wow now it is god tier.

I am getting frustrated, I feel like I can not criticize my work properly to figure out what is wrong. I am currently doing drawing on the right side of the brain, fun with a pencil, keys to drawing and perspective made easy. I have been drawing non stop all week and I feel like I am getting no where.

Any tips? Criticism is very much welcomed.

>>2240150
Keep doing that for about a year and you'll start getting real gainz in art, don't worry just keep drawing and keep learning, if it wasnt hard to learn it wouldn't be worth anything. I believe in you anon.

>>2240150
You probably won't notice results in just a week.

Birds are nice, pens+bottle are flat. I think you should think about your line weight a bit more when doing drawing from observation (mostly for the desk and bag on the left, also the perspective on that table's edges is off, I doubt it looked like that when you were looking at it). Should try to shade in your hand drawing next time.

>>2240192
Thank you Anon, I want to get really good it is the only thing I have that I can do and I know that at the current level I am at it is not good I need to get better.

>>2240197
Yes prob won't just did not want to waste time so I thought I ask you guys so I can break bad habits from the start. Birds do not look to anime like? Anime is what I have been drawing for a while but I want to escape that and get good. What do you mean by line weight? I am a bit confused on that please explain Anon. Thank you for your help Anon it means a lot to me I really want to get good. I have the next year set aside to basically draw for eight hours a day after work. I just want to make sure I am going about the right way for learning. Should I be learning all the different types of elements to a drawing, composition, etc at once? Or should I do it individually?

what do you guys think also any advice?

Coming back from a long break. I'm tired of finding excuses not to draw

face studies from hampton's 3rd week.

Drew this Pin Up for Drawtober. Thought it was kinda OK. Thoughts?

Few weeks int Peter Han. Trying to be more 'loose' but it just ends up looking messy.
Need advice

>>2240285
It's shit, forget about this October meme shit and study fundamentals

>>2240517
I really like these

>>2232418
WIP it, WIP is real good?

My third week. Very much struggling. 10 minutes allotted time.

>>2240821
Do you draw from your kind often? Doing that can help a lot towards figure drawing and life studies.

>>2240741
I would improve the narrative. It's just two girls walking past each other. They're looking back at each other but maybe the one on the left doesn't have to. Maybe she's the spoiled one, idk.

>>2235828
Dude fuck off this board is artwork and critique so the subject matter doesn't matter and you should instead focus on critiquing the drawing on a draftsmanship level.
If a shitty meme-tumblr game triggers you can go to /v/ but if you want to talk about art then talk about art.

>>2240860
Good point. I'll put more thought into it.

>>2240860
So you're saying it's a well drawn boring picture

>>2240995

Boring in a sense that you should try to convey an element of story to what you draw. This keeps you from regurgitating what already has been done and makes it more appealing. You're able to say more with the characters expressions and how they interacting with the objects/environment around them. Almost as if you're condensing a comic into one scene. So instead just finding a reference and drawing a character based on that reference 1:1, write out what you will draw first so you aren't a slave to reference. Your writing should be as specific as possible.

And no, it isn't well drawn either. That's why you're in this thread remember?

Loomis, idk why i keep drawing these retarded noses

>>2241023
Oh. What's wrong with it drawing wise? I'm starting over anyway but I still want to know.

>>2241037
Not him but, legs & hips are too long & big compared to the upper body. Girl on the left's spine is broken

>>2241037
What above guy and other guy in the other thread said basically.

>>2241045
Could you redline to show me?

>>2241059
Don't have time for that shit. Be grateful you instead of someone else even got pointers, kid.

scrap it and go study

>>2241061
Studies look ugly though

So, I'm doing this stupid little draw a spoopy monster girl challenge for every day this month..and id just thought i'd ask for a critique on this recent one...because it's a good example of my style and work..

>>2240285
Lines look pretty wiggly ... do you use a stabilizer..? Also do you make body guidelines/skeletons before you being the actual piece.. cause that helps alot ..

>>2241179
the thing I dislike the most is probably the colors you chose. They don't look super great together. Maybe you can pick out colors in advance and make sure they fit together before you start coloring?

>>2241194
Yeah.. i usually use a color pallete website but i just wung it for these.. but yeah i agree

I just wanted her to have other colors to contrast her body color

>>2232923
you dont understand how perspective works, git gud scrub

So this goes here... xD, Hope you like it guys =)

Painting it on streaming

https://picarto.tv/AnyexArt

>>2241239
heavenly father

>>2241031
Do those drawings actually help build up skill?

>>2239346
>It looks very flat, Id suggest drawing from life,
>you're symbol drawing
I drew this from a picture of a real lemon though. Isn't that what it means to draw from life?

Or is it a state of mind?

>>2241256
sure why not, can't hurt

Be gentle, quick sketch

>>2241398

Try to break your habit of slapping down a dozen lines to see what sticks. There are tons of pointless and distracting scratches in thereI can tell it's a knight but besides that it's pretty difficult to see what's going on. Is it from reference or imagination? What's he actually trying to do? He looks kind of hunched and bending a leg but I don't see why.

>>2241404
I was going to incorporate a sword into his hand there, but I do agree with you on the line point. As for the pose, i was experimenting with what I could do with armor

>>2241398
Arms and legs are too long or poorly foreshortened. Breastplate seems a little low and the shoulder on the right (viewer's left) looks a bit high for the pose.

To fix the arms, bend the character a bit more or put the right elbow (again, viewer's left) further in to the background.

Also dem lines

>>2241421
I see what you are saying about the arm, I have a habit to leave them flat. Thanks!

i was supposed to finish this a long time ago but got distracted. then i fucked up my layers and quit. thoughts?

>>2241179
Not him, but i have a question about this. Since i've only studied values up till now, coloring seems so foreign to me to the point were i just don't see what people mean with certain colors not fitting together. Actually, now that i think about it, i've NEVER been able to naturally feel what colors don't work together. So my question is: will i eventually develop this feeling after studying for a million hours?

I'm a begginer, I suck, here's a drawing.

>>2241439
Read the sticky if u havent already!
U are on the right path, decent lines and kudos for trying to draw hands. Most problems are at the Head and proportions in general!

>>2241457
I really don't dedicate time to drawing. I do it maybe a couple times a month. I will practice more. I really really suck at hands, and try to avoid feet whenever possible. I'll get it if I actually put my mind to practicing. Thanks for the advice.

>>2241426
nice, but i think it would look more better if you add some contrast, like with more light and shading.

>>2241439
It's okay; right arm needs a lot of work. The size of the shoulder implies that it's coming forward and should therefore be closer to the viewer than the breast. The hand needs more shade to look comfortable - initially I thought that the thumb was drawn on the wrong side. The elbow could use some definition - in contrast with the definition of her abdomen it looks flabby and out of place.

The head comes off as a teensy bit mannish but I can't quite place why. It's also quite flat and looks like it's a product of 'symbol drawing' which is something you should stray away from on /ic/

Given that the hair is hanging, the breasts are a bit off too. You've got the shape mostly right, but they're out of perspective.

Hips should also be a bit wider imo.

tl;dr
>Fix the arm
>Vary the shading more,
>Stop with that symbol thing
>Change the breasts
>Widen the hips a bit (maybe)

>>2241491
thank you. i was planning on adding some light rays. i added more contrast on the tower and clouds a bit earlier but i guess not enough. im callingit finished for now

>>2241103
Don't chicken scratch, dunno how many times people have to say it around here.

Studying muscles. Mainly focusing on torso. Am I on a good start?

Studying muscles. Mainly focusing on torso. Am I on a good start?

>>2240830

Not sure what you meant. I know it's bad but I'm studying hard and attending live drawing sessions.

Practicing faces, how does it look?

>>2241568
bad

and why asian

>>2241583
it wasn't ment to be... any advice on how to fix?

>>2241530
you're putting a lil too much meat on her bones

>>2235087
looks like a campfire

>>2236752
Kek. Not that anon but I adore Jojo and couldn't tell it was supposed to be Giorno

>>2234048
yeah, nice mountains.

>>2241031
i'm no professional, so i don't see much wrong with these, but i enjoy looking at them nevertheless.

being able to draw realistically seems like a useful skill in the interest of drawing UNrealistically, but i think some people get too up their own asses about it.

>>2241258
Draw an actual object not a picture of an object. As in FROM LIFE. As in REAL LIFE. Blockhead

>>2241568
Well it reads, but it's not realistic for one second. Left eyebrow is in the wrong perspective.

You drew that weird line (middle one) for the neck but not the clavicles. Odd. You used a reference for this ?

I think I need an honest opinion about this drawing. . I've been stuck trying to draw anime for a while now and have gotten bored but for some reason a part of me wants to go back but after drawing this I don't think I want to, but I thank that's just the high of thinking i did something good coming off i don't no.
so what do you guys think of this is it ok or bad


also yes line paper. i am to poor to buy anything else and am waiting for a job offer to come before i go back to the non line paper

>>2241814
yes it's bad, why? you need loomis.
the lines are 2 fuzzy 4 anything.
and just about everything looks completely flat

PROTIP: go to your local library and steal the paper from the printers while no one is looking.

>>2241184
I do the skeletons and guidelines. Still Pretty new to Digital Drawing, so I don't think I use the Stabilizer. You think that will help?

>>2240225
>>2241568
>>2241814
Cant be fucked to connect my tablet so a mouse deformation

>>2241891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iFuQROb4z8

you made their picture ten times as ugly. thank god you did not bring out that tablet

>>2241900
im 100% confident i highlighted the flaws, you literally have no concept of proportions.
Whatever Nice bait.

>>2241900
anon are you retarded

>>2241835
all advice is accepted thank you.
>>2241891
thank you for showing me this. i tryed to redraw it in another way but it didn't come out like i wanted. i will keep practicing

crit pls, whack at it as hard as you want

>>2241931
if theres something you need to work on its mostly the lips.im assuming 2 of them are yours but ya the lips look a little like a vagina, just look up a tutorial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq3aHSuKRyg

I suggest you always check proko and sycras videos since theyre standard good ( but not the very old sycra videos)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq3aHSuKRyg

>>2241556
i think anon meant draw from your mind like draw from imagination.

Should I get some different pencil lead types? All I have is HB for my lead holder right now.

>>2242033
tools dont matter. Get a tablet and stop killing trees.

>>2236507
>speaking directly to my soul
are you my Daddy?

>>2241031
I bet you can draw a great jew though.

>>2241769
For the face? not really, the line neck is a sort of habit I have when sketching, it never stays I just put it there

>>2232450
fucking kek

Tried working the settings on my software and tablet.

>>2241949
no opinions? is it THAT bad? :S

>>2241949
Just using a mouse to do this I quickly went over your current lines this may be able to help to show how your outline is flowing. Anime is fun but I really suggest studying the fundamentals and just doing anime on the side. I also suggest learning colour and value better because right now I am not really sure what you were going for.

Should you always have you pencil on the paper for gesture drawings? And how often should I be looking at the page?

>>2242210
I just did this as a quick fan art, never intended to be realistic or detailed. That's why I didn't specify anything on clothes and weapons.
I need fundamentals badly. Thanks a lot for your trouble mate

>>2242228
Also do you think Color and Light by Gourney will help me? Or is it too advanced for me? Any recommendations on what to study before that?

Is there an ideal way of using Loomis' figure drawing book? Should I read the whole thing and then go back and practice or sit and one by one use every page as reference material?

just fuck me up m8s

mine is on the right obviously

>>2242255
fuck

>>2242243
One section at a time. Read it, then try to put into practice what you've learned. Often it even helpful to draw while you read it. When you finished sketching, read it again and try to identify the main points the section is covering and if you got anything wrong.

Move on to the next section. The next day, do the first section exercises without referring to the from the book, then refer to it again to see if you can still get it right.

When you have the book always open people tend to just copy the images and not absorb the key points. Going through the whole thing at once is alot to commit to memory.

>>2242259

That sounds an awful lot like how I study for exams.

I'll give it a whirl. Thanks.

>>2242258
Use an actual photo reference.

Need some help with this, perspective is off, I think. Head is large on purpose, it's not going to be full-realism

ignore shitty temp file name pls

I THINK I JUST HAD AN ART BREAKTHROUGH

FORM>>>>>>>>>> EVERYTHING

FUCK DETAILS FORM IS KING

I feel like this is an important insight I just had.

>>2242336
congrat

>>2242258
the reference youre using is bad in itself...
>>2242277
honestly i dont like to say this, but this is too complex, you should try to learn base anatomy before going into this huge challenge called perspective.

I'm not sure this is what i want to say though so someone feel free to correct me.

>>2242336
yeah, form is pretty rad

>>2242349
your meaning to say the rib cage is off and the boobs don't work

>>2242349

I agree it is very complex and shouldn't be attempted by a beginner. It will just lead to frustration and failure.

>>2240992
>expecting discussion from /ic/

where did it go wrong

i like what you've done there, the character looks really dynamic although i shouldnt be the one to give you critique

How would you go about getting ideas down when you have no drawing skill yet?

I'm at the very beginning of learning to the point that I suck at the upside down exercises. But I have a lot of ideas.

I'd take notes, but that doesn't prevent losing the visual image.

I found this really helpful, thought I'd share.
It's a quick tutorial/great pointers for speedpainting
http://vesner.deviantart.com/art/Speedpainting-tutorial-292867500

I focused on practicing measuring. Ignore the values/rendering(not so sure what its called when you shade something), I'm going to go into that soon, I wanted to focus on my measuring skills for now. Any critiques and/or tips would be appreciated.

>>2243298
Here's the reference

>>2243298
>>2243301
Sorry, I hope the image is ok now

>>2243304
it isn't horrible. most of the proportions look right at a glance but as you go down the centerline of the face towards the chin the face goes inward when it should be more even with the forhear

>>2242708
I have this problem too and it's mainly why I want to learn how to draw.

>>2242228
The artbook thread is very helpful but the best thing I can suggest is to study from life. If you are doing digital drawings only I suggest looking into how rbg works things like rbg is based off an additive colour space.

This may help but I suggest looking into a digital art book http://www.designersinsights.com/designer-resources/understanding-color-models

>>2232418
What you guiz think of my animation?

>>2243709

it looks like it was made by the cheat

draw more frames and use reference lines when you're roughing it out to make sure everything is scaled correctly

\Moving 'O' moves the light source and moving 'a' moves.... the angle of the plane the box is on? I can't quite grasp how it affects the shadow.

\Moving 'O' moves the light source and moving 'a' moves.... the angle of the plane the box is on? I can't quite grasp how it affects the shadow

First drawing in a long time. Gonna watch some perspective and fundamentals series because it's important I realize.

>>2242652
I didn't draw it and I personally think that undertale is a overrated tumblr-game but I want to keep the little respect that ic have left when it comes too critique. You can be how toxic you want but don't people shouldn't come here with some shit critique that doesn't have anything to do with art and only about the subject matter.

>>2242243
Read through fun with a pencil by Loomis, it's basically a beginner book on how to draw from your imagination by using construction. Learning construction can be really hard in the beginning so don't be discourage if you don't understand it at first just keep on going and then go trough the figure drawing book.
The figure drawing book will be a lot easier if you understand construction and you will be ably to apply it better to your drawings.

I tried using charcoal pencils at a model drawing session and I wound up liking them more than I thought I would. I'm having a lot of trouble drawing faces though, they always wind up with a sort of generic and flat appearance to them. The woman in charge said to focus on filling the shadows instead of just trying to draw a face but I need to practice a lot more.

>>2243963
This is as far as I got before we ended, the face barely resembled the model's.

>>>>2236156
Draw careful straight lines not check marks

Practice. Any specific tips or just keep going?
And yes I know I'm wasting paper who cares it's super cheap printing paper

>>2244004
get a sketchbook first of all
try to break the habit of only drawing contour. look at form, shape, shadow. fill in silhouettes of people, capture gestures and such.

>>2243310
Ohh okay I think I see it now, thank you.
Any other things I should improve on?

>>2244048
>get a sketchbook
Kek no. Why would I? I can just take some paper and put it in a block. A 50-page sketchbook costs twice as much as 500 pages of regular-ass paper. I have some nicer paper for when I want to actually do full pics that's all I need.
>don't draw contours
I actually start with a gesture in most cases and just assumed that the first step to adding form would be the shape of the form, only then followed by shading. But maybe I got that wrong, I'll try some stuff like silhouettes and drawing shading-only tomorrow to rectify that as well as try to incorporate more "shapes" into my drawing. Thanks m80

plz halp, point out my mistakes :((

How's my gestures? Are they too dirty?

Never really tried making a robot(?) before. Wasn't sure how to do the face so I left it all unfinished.

My first exercise after Bammes (after understanding how his book works).

It truly is nothing to write home about, but I am a beginner.

>>2244103
...Why don't you just print screen?

For mechanical things, Robertson's "How to Draw" would help. One of the crucial things about drawing robots and such is good construction and perspective, as well as figure drawing.

>>2244103
use 'snipping tool' or 'print screen'
top kek

>>2244127

Took it to send to someone on their phone. I'm also posting from my phone so that's why.

>>2244163
...can you not see the errors in perspective and facial features? And why does she have a beard?
Try overlaying your drawing onto the pic, then try redrawing it after seeing your mistakes.
I'd redline but Phonefag so sorry

>>2244094
Anything?
It used to be this.

>>2244094
>>2244185
you should probably move away from doing only skeleton sketches and try and make a fleshed out drawing of a person

>>2244103
christ on a bike, what the fuck are you doing?

>>2244226

You motherfuckers going crazy over shit like this are the worst.

So this is my first sketch that I ever drew in my life, I decided to get into drawing and this came out

Can I have some feedback from more experienced anons that could help improve this mess?

>>2244388
no way that's the first thing you've ever drawn
did you trace it or were you just mirroring a reference very closely?

or are you the next davinci

>>2244390
Uhm, I had to look at my hands a little bit, the rest was just luck

This is my second one ever

But they both look very amateurish and not very good

maybe some anon can give me some help in polishing them a little bit more

>>2244394
oh I forgot to resize, sorry

So I've been drawing heads and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. It goes in thirds and then half that for eyes and mouth but whatever I do it just looks off for whatever reason.

>>2244394

>>2244423
Hmm

Are you saying that picture looks so bad I should take reference from that?

I don't understand, that's not how I want her to cross her arms

>>2244427
I think they're teasing you because it looks similar, anon.

>>2244388
>>2244394
the key to polished, non-amateurish art is just to practice, really

>>2244414
whenever I can't figure out how to do proportions correctly, watching a youtube tutorial of another guy doing always helped me

just look up 'drawing the head' on youtube, good channels that I recommend are Drawing with Jazza, Proko, and Sycra

>>2244414
The most concerning problem is that it looks like you can't see or draw 'proportion'.

If you took a ruler and methodically measure 1/3 or 1/2 and places your features on that it will look better. Draw a head methodically and see if it looks better.

Practice freehand drawing squares, then divide it in half, quarters and thirds. Measure with a ruler to see how accurate you actually are.

No use on knowing to place the eye on a guideline when the guideline is in the wrong place.

>>2244438
Ahh cool thanks anon I appreciate it. I've got dyscalculia so I figure that probably has something to do with it. I'll be sure to have a ruler handy.

Do you guys think there is something special about muses and that kinda stuff?
Sometimes I just start to draw my first girlfriend.
With a lot of other girls (and exes) I get along way better than with her, but something in me just wants to draw her every other time.
Too bad we're not homies.

>>2244461

Did you date an 8 year old?

>>2241509
Not that anon but how do you not chicken scratch? I forget where but I actually learned that you were SUPPOSED to do that when sketching. Of course people here say it's bad so now I'm confused.

>>2241931
You mentioned anime earlier but the eyes you drew look a lot more like western cartoon style to me. If that's ok with you then it's fine but if you're aiming for the anime look you should try something different.

>>2243729
don't chicken scratch bruh

>>2244525
That's not chicken scratching but finding lines?

>>2244527
This

>>2244527
>>2244535
it just looks super messy

>>2244540
They look like warm-up sketches. Stop using buzzwords if you don't know what they mean.

>>2243963
>>2243964

I hate to throw this meme around, but you're drawing your internal image of what you think a face looks like.

Instead look at the face like a 3D sculpture with lots of geometry and planes. Use light and shape to pull out those planes to give the face extra dimension.

>>2244525
>>2244527
>>2244540
>>2244542


Can someone explain what is the difference between the two? I fear I have a chicken scratch problem.

>>2239360
>>2238933
>>2234048

I don't usually recommend reddit but there is a great subreddit for this its https://www.reddit.com/r/worldbuilding

>>2244472
u jelly?

What is the best way to work with hampton?

>>2241031
>that bottom one
Mehmet my son!

>>2244611
Chicken scratch is short strokes without purpose while found lines tend to be longer and reiterative. Yours are more corrective; they suggest well and the weight is in the right place, but they are too thick and could be shaved off on either the inside or outside in different places.

You definitely have an eye for it, but could use more control. I like the way the form comes out of the inside of the line like where the foot meets the toe, but like me, you need more control with it. Get like a pentel hi-tec or a micron and practice with that. It's cleaned up my work immensely and made my strokes and line weight much more intentional. It makes you either get rid of erroneous lines or make them aesthetic.

>>2244657
Thanks, anon!

How does perspective work on this drawing >>2244252?
The houses, castle and bridge all have different horizons. They don't converge on a single spot.

>>2244740
No, imagine if those were connected boxes.

Or a lego set.

They're all sitting on the same "ground". Some are just taller than the others. There's only one horizon.

R8? help me improve, how can i pratice my lines?

>>2244607
Would using sculptures as reference be helpful for this?

>>2245415
It could help with the mindset, I think.

>>2247212
The arms are approaching thalidomide levels of too short.