/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2225854
Audrey, dear, what the fuck did they do to you?

Looks like a creepy doll :U

>>2225861
it's CG Audrey:
https://youtu.be/gx9eDoS76LM?t=28

She's a bit uncanny by default

>>2225865
The eyes tho

>>2225854
There's already a new drawthread >>2225390

>>2225989
ant this is 8h late in comparision, so
ABANDON THREAD

helo

>>2225989
>>2226000

No, the other one does not have a title nor a fitting OP picture, so stay in this one. In Firez we do trust

>FiRez will die in your life time

from today

ye.5 repost for crits

...

>>2226075

I don't know why but I always get absolutely buttblasted when people do reflections on water wrong. Simon Stalenhag and many established artists do it too and it absolutely drives me up the wall.

>>2226080
Like the concept, torso looks funky though. Id push the darks on the clothing pieces as well since it seems pretty muted overall. Good shit.

>>2226087
Don't think it's the easiest thing to pick up lol

>>2226104

it is dude. you just draw/paint the exact same object as if it was physically mirrored on the surface level. that's it. it's that simple.

when i see people just duplicating the layer of the objecet and rotating it 180° and putting it on the surface... makes me want to murder babies. how the fuck do you become an established artists WITHOUT KNOWING THAT FUCKING SHIT??? HOW THUFUASFU FUCKGING NAUSFAKF

>>2226108
That's some shit tier lazyness, I totally agree with you. In theory, yeah it's easy af, but not that much to render and water is not always "flat".

>>2226113

Yep. Absolute sacrilege. One of the reasons why I will never ever admit that Simons work is actually kinda cool.

I would happily piss in the face of every artists who fucks this up. Honestly.

>>2226108
it just takes to do an horizontal inversion to the image after turning 180º, then matching it with the start of the part seen of it (not like him, where eyes should have been over the sumerged mouth level), am I right?

>>2226120
He uses that shit? I was checking his work and I found it pretty good and doesn't seem he's using that "technique"

>>2226143

>>2226113
Artist from the image here, yeah it was really just lazyness. And I know where the reflection should have started, but making it closer to the surface would have blended it into the mouth section, whick looked not that good. So I decided to put it further done for the sake of the visibility of the head.

Anyway, thanks for the tips guys, I'll try to do it better next time.

Why do niggas start the thread with an image that wasn't in the last thread?

how is it? eyeballed perspective, I know it's not perfect, i'm still getting out of thinking 2D :/

will draw backgrond and color block it as next steps, then render and for last thing will do the portrait

chin down, taking any feedback, critiq or shit

Trying to get back into drawing after a couple of years break, here's something from today!

>>2226191
welcome and keep drawing! you should resize pics, to improve things like that you should play with secondary color pen, so you can attempt to outline it softly and then do it again with your main pen, so you correct all things you didn't nail in the first place, the more you repeat this process, the better you'll do without being used at catching proportions

>>2226146
Haven't seen this one. It's an much older one, isn't it?

>>2226191

The nipple freaks me out, it looks like a hole.

>>2226208
no, it's a window

>>2225989
See >>2226034

If the other thread had been properly made I would not have started this one.

>>2226177
Last time I made a DT that was the custom.

>>2225989 #
See >>2226034 #

If the other thread had been properly made I would not have started this one in other words: I didn't see it.

>>2226177 #
Last time I made a DT that was the custom.

>>2226313
Speaking of threads people being properly made and people being able to see them, maybe you should take you trip of when making threads you flaming faggot.

A lot of people have you filtered and might have trouble finding the thread.

>>2226313
And you wonder where the hate comes from.

>FiReZ

>>2226334
i like how he made his own thread haha

>>2226334
>>2226354

>>2225854
>>2225865
>>2226313
Why would you post your own work? That's so pretentious.

>>2226364
Stay mad. Stay Jelly.

>>2226364
leave firez alone
or post your work

>>2226383
>drawing the same bland face out of perspective and getting beginner thread baddies to suck your dick for it
Talk about living the dream.

working on this for a friends wedding, wanted to do a charicature of a picture of there's, this is just something rough I sketched out, any pointers or advice on improving it?

>>2226454
pic is the source

>>2226454
>>2226455
Slow down and observe the ref more closely. Even if it is a caricature it should be based on reality. You want it to look like your friends and you want to capture their features and expressions. Honestly your drawing looks totally unrelated and seems to have missed out on capturing your friends and emphasizes the wrong things. I would try again and pay more attention to the shapes of things.

>>2226454
When you exaggerate most of the features, it's hard to distinguish which features are actually being exaggerated.

>>2226460
alright
>>2226465
haha I can see what you mean. guess I need to work on this more

Just draw.

Anything wrong with this pose ?

>>2226518
The whole neck/jaw area is kinda fucked up, she also looks like she's tilting her head to the right.
Her body is also a little too... unnaturally hourglass-y.

>>2226518
ovals on her left leg would mean horizon line is just next to her knee, that not happening in your reference for sure

drawing cuts of the form must be done with focus, if you do randomly and vague it's useless, you have to think wisely how to put these ovals in perspective, and when you manage to make one good, you can rest on it to build everything else

> thread wars

fuck off firez

>>2226503
aww poor boy has freak-ears

There are parts that I'd need to post zoomed in as It's impossible to make out on my camera.

>>2226528
>>2226549
>He's not paying attention to my trolling.
>I'm trying to make him look bad but I have nothing.
WAAAAHH!!!.

>>2226586
>He's not paying attention to my trolling.
see >>2226586

>>2226586
>white knighting for firez when you should be having fun with a pencil

>>2225854
Why are you still posting here? You are clearly not wanted on this board so please fuck off to reddit or deviantart

>>2226630

>trolling a productive guy when you should be having fun with a pencil

It's like you can't infer or even think worth a damn son

>>2226636
You're clearly desperate fuck off already

>>2226653
put your trip back on FiReZ

here comes me shitposting some hands i drew today. excuse the middle finger

>>2226661

>>2226662

>>2226653
Gotta slurp a lot of tripfag jizz to be this salty~

>>2226108
It's weird I actually did some field research about that the other day. I put a hall mirror on the floor and looked into it to try figure it all out

>>2226455
anyone else think it's funny how unattractive people will make silly faces in photos in an effort to draw attention away from how unattractive they are? Like this is every "nerdy" couple ever

Can't you guys just draw and post your drawings instead of trolling Firez and samefagging?

------------------------------

Some research of my character.

>>2226689
mmmm idk about that. pretty people do that shit too it's just what people who aren't funny do to try to be entertaining. Y'know, when they have nothing clever or original to say they just make a stupid face or stick their tongue out. Look at Miley Cyrus. It's memes made flesh.

>>2226692
First of all your work goes here >>2225353
Second of all holy fuck I love your style (except for the 'open mouth' expression which just looks misplaced in most of the faces) but please, blog?

I don't get it, what is wrong with the reflection?

>>2226689
my boy's pretty kawaii shut up

>>2226692
Nice lego head

>>2226698

You're right, I'll post there!

I'm really really glad you like my style! :D
Unfortunately I didn't drew for months and my tumblr ins't updated, but I'll probably post my recent works this week:
vinicam.tumblr.com

For the open mouth expression, actually all expressions that have a open mouth I think are weird and don't know why. Maybe I have to do more or less exaggeration, maybe change how the head reacts to the mouth open, make it more cartoonish, idk, didn't figured that out yet.

Wondering if I could get a critique before I start coloring this?

>>2226549
Ooops.

As always, thanks for your support guys <3

>>2226717
This is what I mean, but it might just be your style though, seen a lot of this in stuff in cartoons like Teen Titans.

Base sketch.

Onto backgrounds now.

Looking for some advice on this. Something is definitely off. Are the eyes too big?

>>2226738
That's really nice and clean, everything seems on point.
Only thing is that it might look a bit too clean, devoid of any subtle personal characteristic and honestly quite generic, so unless your coloring makes up for that, sadly it will drown in the sea of really good yet generic fanart.

Also it goes here >>2225353

>>2226726

Holy shit you did it! hahaha

It's funny how sometimes you know something doesn't look right but you can't figure out why and then it's a really simple change!

Thanks, I'll correct it before scanning. :)

>>2226738
Are the guns 3d or something? How are they so clean?

>>2226698
>>2226726
please stop enabling shitty artists by complimenting them.

>>2226186
Hi, Alberto!

>>2226766
You're the exact reason why we have separate draw threads.

>>2226719
elongate the torsos
that hand is doing something unnatural
try doing the pose yourself and seeing what comes more naturally
naked girl's arm shouldn't be directly underneath the other girl's armpit, it's just not physically possible.

naked girl's head is also a lot tinier than hooded girl's, and her boobs are too high

>>2226748
Oops, wrong thread, sorry.

Guess I should cover that up with some decent background.

>>2226755
It's 2D, drawn with photoshop path tools.

>>2226723
If the light is coming from above, judging by the nose shadow and how dark it is, then the rest of the forms arent following that (under hair, ear, chin even), or the nose shadow is wrong. Lips are a bit 2d also. Imo, just go ahead and try jacking that shit up, it's way too shush-shush

>>2226782
Thanks, I no longer have that color of pastel but I will take notes for the next time.

Pic related was the last thing I made with that lead.

>>2226518
here's a little ref for you

>>2226554
I think you need to focus on overall composition rather than the details for now, the top left part seems more finished than the rest

>>2226836
>reference
>it's a painting

>>2226719
bro that pose needs work...maybe even a complete redo, and you need at least 4 wolves. plus i'd say it would be a good idea to redo the perspective so that the heads of the girls tilt more towards the camera because right now it looks horribly 2d, and the ground looks non existent. it looks very awkward when your eyes move towards the bottom of the picture

you have no shadows and barely any midtones. you should be drawing on a midtone paper with a white pencil and a soft dark pencil like a 2b or more. refer to scale. as you get comfortable with tones, you should have these memorized since you are working with graphite.

or just draw on computer paper with an hb pencil and stay pleb, idc.

>>2226738
why the noodle legs whyyy

how is she supposed to kick ass with gogurts for legs like cmon she doesn't even have knees nigga

bitch can't suck dick without knees nigga

>>2225859
ok, I wasn't the only one thinking that
kek

Sorry in advance for shitty cropping

Always appreciate outside perspective

>>2226865

>>2226868

wanna paint something that looks like a master painting

>>2226846
you're an idiot

>>2226884

Get some oils and some decades of experience and let 'er rip.

>>2226723
You know most of my drawings look good in the thumbnail and reveals all the flaws when opened

Yours is the opposite.

I see where you're going with this. Obviously, you should be doing masters studies.Looking forward to seeing how it comes together, DON'T YOU FUCKING QUIT ON ME.

>>2226852
have you fucktards ever thought about learning to control your pencil to create all these instead of relying so heavily on them to do your shit for you? Just took an art class and holy fucking christ no one in the class could fucking make a single goddamn shade without whining like a bitch and going to their useless fucking pencils

>>2226939
how was baby's first art class

honestly i'm not even going to dignify this with a serious response

>>2226939
the whole point of drawing is to learn how to draw?
instead
>it's how do i cut corners at every chance possible instead< of putting effort and time
>lemme buy shit tons of useless pencils instead< of learning how to control my hand
>hobby lobby will sell me shit that will make me a capable artist
>instead<
>of
>learning
>to
>draw

>>2226939

srsly guise.

>6b for everything crew

Work in process.

Someone please critique how it looks so far, maybe tips. What I should do from here? Any advise is great, thanks.

>>2226846
lol i have to agree thats pretty fucking stupid you can reference a painting dude.

>>2226767
¬¬ Hai

Doing some sketches while listening to The Road audio book.

working on my highest tier gig to date. should definitely not post this but i'm too excited to resist the urge.

>>2226983
step1: stop painting with black
step 2: pretend u know some values
step 3: sub surface scattering
step 4: add gaudy fx

gratz ur a digital artist now get ur patreon and make millions

>>2226996
is this supposed to be better?

>>2226998
ya if u want to make money u gota do it like that

enjoy being poor forever with ur no fx art

>>2226996
Holy fucking shit you took my painting and make it a masterpiece what the fuck?? Where do i learn to do this???

>>2226999
Nice trips but you are hostile as hell

A noob could very well ask that question innocently

>>2227009
trojan hoarsse work shop

>>2227012
Please do you have any videos which would explain this process?

>>2227010
he was being a cunt so i responded like a cunt

>>2227009
like i said i just did a value pass and added sss w/ some ugly fx on top not too difficult to learn if you put in the time. much harder to learn design

would like some constructive criticism.

>>2227018
forgot the picture.

>>2227017
I don't know what a value pass is, I used multiply layer for the shadows because thats what I was taught to do in graphics art. Plus what effects? What is subsurface scattering and how do I do it?

>>2227021
i mean I just added some values to it. multiply layer is fine but you don't know what ur doing it wont do anything for you study some rudimentary shapes w/ some different light sources. for fx i added grain/sharpen/blur (looks shit though just something if ur lazy want to impress the babes). sss google it its just the llight bounces in some shit and makes it red

>>2227024
thanks ill check these out

Been in a rut, so I drew some Splatoon, gonna use this as a inking and marker color study.

Finished this up finally, did some sloppy ink work for the head.

I lost the PSD for this study back in May, and since I've been studying my butt off I decided to redo it. Critique highly appreciated!!

>>2227060
>show me markers!
looks like you drew it super tiny, hope the bleed doesn't get to you

>>2227072

too many uniform cross contour lines.

if you're gonna use that many then create some visual interest with them rather than just using them as a crutch to suggest trois dimensionality.

I think miura fucked me up with all his badass and dynamic shit, I can only draw pissed off men right now, I need to take a break from berserk.

>tried to do a flower to break the curse

>>2226987
You're doing great, by the way, just clean up the shoes and you're good to go!
Liking the gradients

>>2227085
Nice lines and pose/faces. The hand looks bad and the shadows in the face doesn't seen right, idk.

Have a tumblr?

how bad did i do

>>2227105

The drawing is good, I like the colors. but I don't get it why she has cat ears?

And personal opinion: you could have made something more interesting going on with the other arms. I also think the background is drawing too much attention. Maybe desaturate it a bit?
Aaaand.. have a tumblr? :)

>>2227112
desaturated the background and darkened it a bit.

haohi.tumblr

>>2227105
Resize your work. ~3k for either height or width is pushing it.
Her side's right eye is too small compared to the other eye, and the face is awkwardly proportioned. Try lifting the mouth.
I personally like how you drew most of the hands. Good work. Her right lower hand looks somewhat sloppy compared to the rest, however.
The upper part is also awkward when compared to how carefully you've made some other parts of the drawing. Refine this.
Nice tits. Why are they out, though.

Also, I don't get the cat ears either.

>>2227105
The horns are too asymetrical at this head position, one is at the height of the ear the other one is behind the ear. Hands need some work, especially the thumbs. Where is the main light source? Looking at the face and some armor parts you see a light source from the right side. Looking at hands, boobs and other armor parts you see one from the left side. Light source for horns and shoulder plates is from above? Where is the root of the second pair of hands? Is it under the first one? In that case the gloves should be placed slightly further down (and maybe the whole arm?).
The image is of course still very sexy (although I prefer them without catears). Ty for sharing.

>>2227118
Upper part of her staff* is also awkward. Sloppy.

>>2227105
you missed the platebody

you should doing light cuts that way, it's awfull, that's not how it works, use layer effects as "soft light" and you'll see a difference between droping a opaque and too saturated color over your painting with making subtle hues of ambient light

don't use airbrush to make SHADING when it's CAST SHADOW, face for example should have clean linesof shadow due to the haircut

your character design is too cheap, learn the difference between erotism and porn now than later
what is her doing? shy and posing while showing all her tits? wtf
ask yourself questions when planing your sketches
drawing is good, keep going

>>2227124
>you should doing light cuts that way,
you should *not be doing*

didnt fix

>>2226738
holy moly nice, the legs seem too lumpy though, you don't see that much emphasis on the joints in anime

tfw did not go hard in the paint

>>2227116

I think it's better, but it's my personal taste, idk what others may think.
I agree that some cast shadows are missing, like in the arms above the sleeves or the neck.
Maybe her mouth is too low, but it can be a style choice.

About her tits showing... Whatever really, if it fits the purpose of the drawing. It can be justified by culture, as a lot of tribal cultures don't care at all at about boobs.

>>2227118
cast shadow and staff,

>>2227163
casts shadow

>>2227119
assymetric, lightsource,

>>2227124
plate body? more lighting problems, plan before starting


thanks, i appreciate the comments and ill work on the problems.

>>2227118
>>2227118
>>2227119
>>2227124

seems like the biggest problem now is how i put my lights and stuff, any suggestion/excersices/things i can do to help fix it?

>>2227177
Have you decided a direction for the light source?

>>2227178
no..

>>2227178
>>2227183
first thing you have to do. I always draw a little orb or arrow to indicate light sources.
More if there are several.
If the light is coming right at her like a flash photo that is something you have to decide.

>>2227177
so it as you did the skin, but with focus and thinking where is the light source

skin seem lighted like she's outside
there should be one main light source: sun
then it's the sky, which also reflects residual light back, so darks made by main light are cut down by that secondary spreaded light source

materials have different properties against light, ones make textures, others make speculars (like wet skin), metal things are like close to mirrors, draw paralel lines with the direction of the light you want over your picture, hit the planes you think are more perpendicular to the main light source, that way you'll be able to think where it's gonna hit more bright, where less bright, and were it's gonna cast shadows

before painting any values on that picture, limit yourself just to draw small arrows and write down how you plan to put the lighting main source
secondary
shadows
cast shadows
reflected light affecting shadows
and so on

>>2227186
>>2227185
concentrate on one at a time. Magic of photoshop is you can layer the one at a time on a pic. So first. Main light source. Concentrate on that.

>>2227185
>>2227186
thanks, ill take note of that

>>2227186
made it as procrastination owns me :/

>>2227194
saved! thanks

your drawing is constructed so well it shouldn't be a problem to plan lighting, as you can read forms well there, can't guess how you draw like that with that fundamental issues, cuz it doesnt seem copied

>>2227243
everyone seems to be content with my messy scribble style

>>2227246
Over rendered octopus anime shit is where it's at amirite?

>>2227246
Looks like Berserk in the thumbnail, MSpaint scribbles when opened. There's potential.

>>2227258
guess i should probabl try and focus more and not just go crazy with the pen

No pressure tablet so fuck it

>>2227272
This is really nice. Do you do an underdrawing on it first and then get rid of it? Any perspective set up?

>>2227274
no underdrawing, sometime i fuckup, sometimes it turns ok

i never construct shit before and i should

>>2227085
hell yeah, looks rad

>>2227279
yeah it kind of shows with the close spacing of a few objects (like the vodka bottle and the towel, the duffle bag and the chair, etc) but it's pretty decent for a freehand sketch

>>2227310
thanks
yea i added too much shit
>remember kids details and/or rendering don't mean quality

>>2227272
Got a site or blog?

>>2227337
bantibox.tumblr.com

>>2227340
>bantibox.tumblr.com
Cheers! Started following you!

>>2227350
thanks, i love the way you paint, i oughta experiment with raw patches of colors instead of lines

any tip about general situation of colors?

>>2227363
nice colors, maybe more color influence between the structures. blue reflected on the pink of the city ? and on the tree.

hard to say without a proper sky or time of day

>>2227353
Thanks haha! Unfortunately that's like the only thing I can kinda do. My drawings/draftsmanship is embarrassing compared to yours.

>>2227363
The strange (and admittedly terrible) green and brown of the tree in the foreground detracts from the otherwise really nice atmospheric perspective of the buildings in the background.

Not sure how to fix it myself, but thought it was worth mentioning. I do really like that background.

>>2227363
Man... I don't know if I'm digging the contrast between the geometricity of the city with the free-flow of the trees... if that makes any sense. It's a neat idea for sure, but fuck I like that skyline too much, love the colors and everything.
Also either up the saturation on everything or lower it.

Keep going, I wanna see the finished product.

>>2227369
>>2227374
thanks, i'll try to things you say.

>>2227380
ahah i really confused with everything now. anyway i'll post the further stages.

>>2227370
it doesnt matter, to me only the shapes are important. shapes made by lines or color, it doesnt matter

>>2227363
Ditch the diarrhea green and use something more cohesive to the rest of the image.

>>2227388
already works better mate
work on the sky as soon as possible as it will define important colors for the main pic

>>2227388
this THIS

>>2225854
Watercolour study of a leyendecker

Fuck forgot my file

Sorry for the size guys

>>2227340
Nice! Following. :)

>>2227404
Not sure if watercolour is the best medium to study Leyendecker in.

A few thoughts:
-slow down
-think more before each stroke
-avoid the sort of drybrush textural strokes like on the hat that give a dirty messy shape

>>2227412
whet he said

>>2227438
nice, reminds me of http://monstroplanet.com/category/digital-painting/

>>2227438
>Chromatic aberration that isn't painful
You are the greatest artist alive

>>2226920
I think your situation is more favorable, if your thumbnails read well you're definitely doing something right.

making a goblin
thoughts? helps?

>>2227472
another warm light source friend

>>2227472
otherwise it's neato

crits? hour 30 of drawing

>>2227488
>>2227491
I know you're just making a quick example but think you overdid it

>>2227495
Well, her head looks ginormous.

>>2227495
interesting face and nice shading (dem hands) but the head is too big compared to the rest of the body. background props look a bit rushed

>>2227488
>>2227491

>>2227495
The head and neck are way too big. The inconsistent shading throws me off too. It's like you started with the head, and the rest was an afterthought. The legs don't show any depth, and so they look sort of wonky. Some wrinkles/creases that show the contour within the shape would help. Even just exaggerating the few t-intersections you have would help.

>>2227496
yeah obviously go more subtle and soft

>>2227495
Your heads are always really big compared to the body, is this intentional?
Also I hope that drawing alone didn't take you 30 hours.

>>2227472

About proportions: the legs are neither long like in humans nor thick like in some apelike upright walking humanoids that populate fantasy. They look one size too small, look where the extended fingers would reach, at the same time they're still very thin.

>>2227500
there's a difference between giving an example to make a point and spoonfeeding dude

>>2227504
an hour and 30 minutes lol

>>2227505
thanks, went for goblin-like proportions but was unsure on that front, edited it subtly here, better?
>>2227491
>>2227488
thanks
hit it on hard at first but reduced it to really subtle, small change but i think it helped. thanks

>>2227506
You are aware that even if he adds another light source he'll feel obligated to do it differently than what you did.
You limited his possibilities, this is why we explain and redline, not do the work for them.

>>2227496
>>2227497
>>2227501
>>2227504
she's 6 heads tall sitting down. imagine how many she'd be if she was standing up!

>>2227495
>signing studies
>being this bad after 4 years of studying
Yeah, might as well quit now, your "style" and attitude towards real knowledge about thigs like perspective and anatomy is shit

>>2227495
I don't mind the wonkiness at all. It can have its charm. But I don't think you should outline everything systematically like that. Only where it's needed otherwise it kinda kills it.

>>2227511
How new are you? Good paintovers are just as valid and have always been appreciated just as much, if not more than a written critique.

>>2227515
>Good paintovers are just as valid and have always been appreciated just as much
Yeah cause no one is going to counter a critique without getting a ton of backlash.
I have seen this time and time again.

>if not more than a written critique.
Wow, written critique is the standard everywhere for a reason, anon.
If you can't explain it with words then you don't understand it well enough.

>>2227528
>>2227511
he was hardly "doing the work for him" dude, he added an extreme example of what he meant

>>2227528
>If you can't explain it with words then you don't understand it well enough.
We're in the field of visual problem solving. What better way to solve others' problems than to do it visually as well?

When you take an art course, do you expect the instructor to only verbally describe what you should do, or do you expect to see visual examples. When it comes time to demo, do you expect words that describe a technique, or do you expect to see the technique in action?

Likewise, not all visual problems are easily and accurately described with only words. Unless you already know that everyone's on the same page, it's often easier/better/more practical to show instead of tell.

Not the anon you replied to, nor the anon who did the paintover.

>>2227511
troll and/or retarded gtfo mate x') go draw instead of shitposting

"limiting his possibilities" i'm lmfao

>>2227543
>When you take an art course, do you expect the instructor to only verbally describe what you should do, or do you expect to see visual examples. When it comes time to demo, do you expect words that describe a technique, or do you expect to see the technique in action?
You know, my professor never painted over my work (strawman argument, I know) never even pointed at what I was doing and said, "add warm lighting on this side, hitting the subject in this and that way." that would be a stupid way of explaining things since I would only know what to do, not understand why I was doing it.

He was always doing his own work, explaining things with simple shapes to understand the concept. Visual examples are key to understanding the medium but paintovers are spoonfeeding.
Teach a man to fish.

>>2227548
If only your words had any weight.

>>2227551
nice picture you used there

>>2227551
>that would be a stupid way of explaining things since I would only know what to do, not understand why I was doing it.

actions > speech

If you see the improvement of a simple consideration you can understand better what you were missing, because it's about missing a fundamental, reminding it if you don't yet understand it won't make any progress, showing what's about it does.

>>2227551
stop posting

>>2227554
don't worry about it anon,
2227551 is 100% butthurt because people didn't overpaint his drawings

>>2227543
>>2227548
>>2227551
>>2227553
>>2227554
>>2227556
>>2227559
Jesus fucking Christ, just go draw for fucks sake.
Go have your circlejerk of I-don't-know-what-I'm-talking-about somewhere else.

>>2227568
>deletes post and resorts to name calling
embarassing

Hi! heard of this thread a few mins ago, thought I'd give this a try!

>>2227582
nice colors, lines , and composition

>>2227582
fuckyea nice colors and depth

>>2227438
>>2227582
>>2227583
>>2227629
I don't mean to sound like a broken record but your work goes here >>2225353

what you think??

>>2227638
nice, the lil' dude is looking odd compared to the rest of the pic but i imagine he's only there for size ref

>>2227638
Every part of the bulldozer above the shovel (?) is skewed. It's messing up what's otherwise a really cool image.

tweaked a bit, calling this finished
thanks for help fellas

>>2225854
Hope this looks considerably less creepy

Been out of the game for a few months. How's my art?

>>2227676
I think the issue began with studying a flawless 3D model with googly eyes.
Your work is fine, but the subject was... less than desirable.

Been out of the game for a few months. How's my art?

>>2227681
blasphemy, she's a godess

by the way >>2227676
clean that chin scratches and blurr the seat and bg

>>2227684
>blasphemy, she's a godess
The ref is CGI

>>2227684
like >>2227688
the face is CGI and although it's really good, she never had that much of a doll face.

>>2227682
it's a nice study, only part that is lacking is the dark area to the right: looks kinda sloppy.

I tried to study a girl I know, let's say decently attractive, but when I put the shapes of her head on paper the result was monstrous even if pretty close.
do anyone ever experienced something like this, or not being able to draw because shapes are too strange and conflict with your mental image?

>>2227783
>study a girl I know
The problem good be a bad reference photo. Poor lighting or glaring lens distortion will doom you from the start unless you're skilled at portrait drawing.

>conflict with your mental image
It can also help to slightly exaggerate the notable features of the face for a 'stronger' likeness. Don't be afraid to let the model's personality affect how you approach the portrait.

been watching some fzd videos and decided to try something really quick

the lens flares are completely unintentional I swear

>>2227796
Some things in the foreground are strange but I really, really like this. Especially the trees on the side, how did you do them?

>>2227629
>four eyes
>wearing glasses

icwutudedther

glad i got such a warm reception from that other drawing. here's some from tonight.

>>2227842

>>2227844
heres some faces. im partial to the little guy striking the pose at the bottom right

>>2226983
why would u paint ur rapist

"""Speedpaint""" I did without reference. How'd I do

>>2227992
boring boring boring boring, use reference, and whatever texture it looks like you added isnt doing you any favors

>>2227993
No texture, just the brush I used. I wanted to see if my values and color have gotten better but I guess not!

>>2225854
Finally got around to working on this one, im a few hours in.

>>2227992

paint opaquely for now. and consider working in greyscale.

>>2228013
I did though ;_;

>>2228015

no i mean without pen pressure. you know?

>>2228004
awesome, diggin the skully floaty guy on on the left

some headwear

>>2228071

>>2228073
nice meme

i really like the initial sketch but somehow i’m not satisfied with final product. Also sorry for the post this late.

>>2228075
i'm not him, but not just a meme, it's so true that concept art ends lacking design at all, it's just formal playing copying forms of ugly things nobody needs like chef 3000, where forms doesn't even serve a purpose
they're referencing things like that ugly motor he posted (artificial and exagerated futurism), rather than copying apple, aston martin

tastes are shit out there, better for who cares

>>2228077
nice one brah, i still have problems with that sky but it looks ok

try blending the grass with the rock a bit more, it seems a bit unnatural patches of grass here.

also for the tree, try to make the leaves go in front of the branches sometimes, here it looks like they're all stuck behind and very flat !

ok im gonna start planning out this thing with lighting maybe go at it slowly this time

is this anygood so far?

gonna post updates

yes, the hands/paws are dumb but that was the request

Warm-up from yesterday.

>>2228077
Oh, I like the colors, but maybe they're too saturated?(although it may be a style choice)
Also, I think the grass is drawing too much attention from the characters.

>>2228078
lolwut
>>2228081
i never thought leeves on tree looks flat but they are. thanks for warning.
>>2228100
yeah they are like "i am here dude, look at me faggot" Nice doodle there.

>>2228099
so far it does not make sense, where is your main light source? before doing anything, draw a sphere next to her, next to her chest for example, and think how that planning you did would affect that sphere, when you've cleared that you can step in your drawing with confidence

>>2225854
Another watercolour/gouache (because I mix a lot with white gouache)study. Fragonard this time. Should I clean it up and make the edges on the mouth read more clearly? Judging by the thumbnail theyre kinda lost.

Inb4 file size, yeah, sorry still on phone.

>>2228122
Fuck you 4chan, fuck you phone, I hate this fucking captcha and the random flips, fuck off.

>>2228122
no excuses, get an app or something, or wait till you move your ass home, it's not only giant size but also turned wrong, you should stop using watercolors as acrilyc, take less paint, use more water, work as you would be working with layers waiting till it's dry

you're not gonna gain anything doing studys with that

>>2228131
Well but when I study stuff that is done in oils and want to study brushwork too, and dont have oils(or am not confident enough) what should I do? Also have you tried doing watercolours? Because if you did you'd know that this layering advice is really fucking hard to do in practice, because it requires a great sense of color and edges, this is my third watercolour painting, and the only training I had was digital, so a little more advice regarding your statement would be nice.

>>2228081
ive read this too late, but here was what i was doing but ill try and do that

>>2227194
im using this as a guideline on what to do i guess

>>2228114
>>2228139
like this?

>>2228139
same guy who did that to help
it might help you a lot more if you draw the cone of the arrow in perspective properly, you're now eyeballing it fine anyways

that nose bridge lighting is doing something weird tho

light cut is correct, the path to grow as an artist you have ahead is aobut thinking what is gonna make that kind of lights, so you make them with meaning related to backgrounds or whatever

put the hand with the rose hit by the main lighting, you've choosed a very favorable light source for that composition

one thing i forgot to point is speculars (white dots formed when light bounces to the point of veiw), you might want to add these on the hair for example

you're on your own to go

anyone care to exploit this QUALITY image?

>>2228146
thanks!

i really do appreciate this, ill keep all of that in mind.

but i still dont know what light cuts are,

forgive me but this is also the first time that someone explained what speculars are so bare with me

>>2228136
I thought so, only hollow clichee critique and no real help. Well, back to studying I guess.

>>2228159
study this http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

>>2228173
this is really interesting

thanks again anon, this really helps

>>2228136
you can keep as that, just do don't rush it
because YOU'RE definetly rushing it, doing heavier (darker) values so soon, you have to work it trying to do less contrast, you can add contrast at end, if you do early with that media you're making it worse for yourselve

oh, and you can perfectly study paintings with hb, just moderate hatching to build planes

>>2228181
thanks, yeah, I'll take it slower. I know, but softer pencils are nicer to me, the are more comfortable, I will practice a little more with harder ones though.

>>2228159
>speculars
He probably means the highlight on the sphere especially apparent when there's hard light.

i lost my way i dont know what im doing anymore ;-;

http://puu sh/kkiSS/4d7a5c9f90.jpg

>>2228380
are you working with layers? think that shadow is less saturated and more cold (more blue)

hair with that yellow looks like gold, you don't want that
your volumes are awsome

here's my wip, stucked as hell, gotta do armor studys to get confidence

>>2228393
yea it was meant to be golden colored hair tips

>are you working with layers? think that shadow is less saturated and more cold (more blue)

i dont understand...

>>2225854
Fok.
This is embarassing. I thought I could color this with a quick method that would look okay but it looks way too obnoxious. What do?
Anyone know any quick fixes?

>>2228429
Get some layer organization. Rather than sloppily paint things underneath it all on one layer, you should create clipping masks for each object. They you can quickly modify them as you need.

Probably a good idea to look up some ref for how you want it to look too. Whether it's a photo, or a painting by someone like Moebius or Sparth or something.

>>2228430
Damn that is so helpful, thank you anon.
Yeah its actually supposed to be inspired by Moebius. Maybe I should color pick from one of his paintings.

>>2228433
I wouldn't directly colour pick, but I would analyze the colours and figure out why they were chosen that way, or why they appear that way in a photo or whatever. What about them works? How are they harmonized? How do they show the space? Is it a certain value range? Or the temperature? Is there some sort of saturation thing going on?

>>2226723
Looking at it now, the hair is falling off his head, and the mouth is not in line with the rest of the face.

Your line control is good, but there's a lot to be desired.

>>2226738
Time to make something original, nigga

>>2226892
lol I'm not >>2226846
but posts like these are why I keep coming back

Blunt

>>2228470
Not him but If you want to replicate accurate anatomy, a picture is lot more valuable than a painting.
Not matter how photo-realistic a painting might be, the biases of the artist will influence it in some way.

I don't agree that "it's nothing," of course you can reference a painting but a picture would teach >>2226518 more than what most paintings ever could.

>>2227797
Yeah I didn't really plan this through, didn't even start with a sketch and just went straight into painting.

as feng would do them, the trees are bashed from photos, painted over with solid brush and texture brushes for the leaves

>>2227495
You need a better understanding of gesture if you want to draw like Mucha. Draw large continuous lines but only put line weight on the leading edges of forms that are moving. If something isn't moving it should be invisible.

Then when you have that down try using one continuous line to draw a silhouette for everything WITHOUT DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN DIFFERENT MASSES. For example there should be no line clearly separating the hair and the face or the hands and the clothing. In your head you should imagine shining a laser pointer really fast around the silhouette of the entire figure in a clockwise loop. The silhouette line is completely flat and is only to help blockin the figure.

>>2228484
Nana I understand the value of using other paintings as reference

I was just laughing at the post is all

>>2228429
Did a sloppy paintover on this to demonstrate a couple of things.

Squint at your image and you should notice that you don't have a lot of value contrast going on. In a complex scene like a cityscape, grouping shapes by value is an extremely tool to make sure that your image is clear and makes a good impact on the viewer without overwhelming. One simple way to do this is by grouping based on depth - in the paintover I made all the foreground objects darker and the middle/background objects lighter. You could just as easily do the reverse.

Another important concept in all paintings but especially ones with a very large scale like this is atmospheric perspective. Without getting too verbose, the rule of thumb for atmospheric perspective is that everything reduces: contrast, saturation, edge definition. This results in a "washed out look" for distant objects.

Another thing you can benefit from is a stronger light source. It seemed to me like you wanted the light to be coming in from the upper left so I sought to emphasize that. In addition to lighter lights and darker darks, having a warm/cool disparity between lights and darks can really help to sell the lighting.

In the future it would be a good idea to plan out your values in black and white ahead of time in thumbnails - it only takes a few minutes and will drastically improve your results down the line as well as save time.

Hope this helps!

>>2228711
*an extremely useful tool

>>2228450
Yeah that makes sense, I will give that a try. Thank youu
>>2228711
Holy crap! Thank you so much for the paintover and demonstration. This is really helpful and your paintover looks great. I really like the lighting and it does help it make a lot more sense, especially with the shadows in the foreground. Thank you so much anon.

>>2227513
the hell are you talking about anon?

how is this so far?

>>2228833
You're working from a photo right? Post your reference

>>2228833
the way the nose is done, on it's left side, makes it appear really flat. The strong black line delineating the left side of it makes it not seem like something sticking off the face.

Hello /ic/

Aside from critique of my drawing, I'd like to ask how I can into terrain/environment better. Drawing entirely from imagination kinda bites sometimes.

>>2228934
values dawg

how bad did i do?

can I get a critique please?

>>2228961
Pretty bad. Your sketch was so good, but you flattened all the values (except for on the flower, which now stands out a bit TOO much), and the colors are just brown on brown on brown. Add some color in the background too.

>>2228961
What are your light sources, exactly? Like sunlight, torchlight? also where is this?

>>2228923
well, its supposed to be somewhat exaggerated but here it is
also a bit of a progress

>>2228965
Why is it so washed out? After running it through Auto Tone I like it actually.

>>2228976
oh, it's because I was using a palette from some blog. That does look better.

>>2228966
increased the contrast a bit, but aside from that its a little too late to make large changes now, ill try better on my next one

>>2228971
here was the wip >>2228139

>>2228987
Much better! I'd still do more with the background, but that's up to you.

>>2228974
Ah okay. This is a very challenging study because you have a few things working against you. The proximity of the camera to the subject is creating a lot of distortion, in addition to this angle and facial expression being tricky in the first place. Not saying you shouldn't do it, but this is what you're working against.

Where your painting is having the most trouble right now is structure - it feels like you are trying to copy the shapes in the image without understanding the planes of the head. For instance your eye sockets are warped and kind of floating around. Also the key (primary) light in the photos is coming from the upper left but you lost that in the painting as it looks like the face is lit from all sides. Also your shadows are way too dark to the point of being black basically. The eyes are very symbolic right now, and you've made the common mistake of making the whites too light. Squint at the photo and you should see that the whites of the eyes aren't even noticably lighter than the shadows in the sockets.

Where to go from here? I think you could learn a lot by doing this same study again from scratch and focusing on a couple of things. There's no need to spend as much time on the rendering and finer details on the additional study so it shouldn't take a lot of time. Basically try to accomplish these two steps: the first and hardest part is draw out the structure of the head. If you feel lost here look up "planes of the head for artists" or something like that on google and you should find plenty of reference. Getting a smile right is pretty tough so don't get discouraged here. The next step is to squint at your photo and group the values into two large shapes. One is the light shape created by the key light, and the rest is the shadow. These are the most important parts of lighting - ambient light, reflected light, occlusion shadows, and specular highlights are all secondary to this.

Ran through this myself as a visual aid:

>>2228987
I think you could push your lights brighter. Also you have a lot of soft shadow edges where they should be hard, mainly in the dress area. Also if you did a quick pass on occlusion shadows using a multiply layer it would help sell the realism of the lighting as well. Oh and skin never has those really sharp specular highlights unless it's extremely oily; it's just a bad habit.

Overall I think it's pretty successful. If you upgrade your lighting to the same level of your drawing and rendering you'll be able to do some cool shit

>>2229038
ill try my best!

ill get started on my next one and post prgress again.

>>2229031
thanks!

'scuse me, but is there something wrong here?

I hope it isn't shit
mid you im still in highschool so Pls don't be to harsh

>>2229077
you need to do life drawing

How do I fix this piece of shit?

>>2228987
only warm colors on your wip, except for ultra cold and saturated colors on the rose. You need to balance colors a bit, use color picker and compare the color position of the rose colors with rest of the color palette you made, it's so far, the contrast is too huge, make a better contrast, if you put a red or brown layer with 20-30% opacity over that rose, there you go, it's gonna get integrated and it will still read as purple and green (and look what happens on the color wheel so you can learn what is happening)

You've been too conservative with colors, but you've done it well

test

new thread
>>2229553

>>2225854
It's a photo study but I want to start working as an illustrator for videogames from home, how far am I from getting there?