/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Maybe shapes and perspective and angles?

How many years did it take you to learn to draw?

I'm about month two in, and I've noticed slight improvements ever since I started working on my symbol drawing

My first attempt at really drawing from life. Though the skull I had was a little bit off. It wasn't exactly human like. Little rough now in my opinion but when I get more time with the skull I'm going to finish it up.

>>2223332
and I forgot my picture.

>>2223337
don't add values until you're sure you nailed your proportions, i don't see acumulated lines, that means you're conformed with your first layout attempt, that's the direction you have to completly avoid

>>2223337
Ayy

I have trouble getting the tilted feel of foreshortening. I think it's because I don't squish the features together enough. It's pretty frustrating.

>>2223322
You're gonnna get a lot "it depends" But I heard that it takes about 5 years with consistent practice. Lets face it though, therell be days where you only get 2 hours, and there are those marathon days where you get 10 hours in.

Ive only been drawing a year, but some things, I wish I told myself:

Drawing from reference is crucial for learning, but drawing from imagination is crucial for practicing.

Dont get so hung up on KTD, Perspective Made Easy, learn only what you need to move onto figure drawing

That said, after you're done practicing perspective, this is where drawing seems like a hopeless cause with no guidance, but just keep trekking on, its gonna take lots of trial and error. Also Vilppu Video Course, Loomis, and hampton, are some great teachers, and theres a lot more gems out there. Start with Vilppu though, he makes drawing form so much sense.

Also, Id start studying anatomy now, trust me, this will help you lot. Anatomy books never really did the trick for me, It wasn't until I downloanded 3d anatomy program L' Ecorche, that the forearm muscles made sense.

Oh, proportion and perspective is lot more important than you'll initially think too.

my initial sketch

>>2223405
Sorry if you're a poorfag, and not to advertise, but if you have 40$, Human Anatomy Atlas is amazing. Itll show you muscle insertions and how muscles move. Only problems are it doesn't have bone and muscle variation just the same body type, can only view bone and muscle movesments, so no skin, and it wont show you fat and folds in the body.

tried sketching the spy from tf2, I made him a bit husky

>>2223434
my mistake, here is my sketch. like I said, I messed up and made him look husky.

>>2223337

It's so damn tricky to get the depth in the sockets right along with keeping the perspective consistent

>>2223409
alright, some initial colorwork done. gonna hit the hay and finish this off tomorrow.

Newfag here. What you think about it?

Sorry for my English, still learning.

>>2223578
looks like an anime catgirl

if that's what you wanted to draw good job!

Now that I'm finished with it I see a ton of problems I didn't notice while I was working on it

Oh well, there it is anyways

Daaamm awesome job.

>>2223551
he looks frightened!

am i starting to understand gesture?

they're now pretty fun and almost addicting to do instead of excrutiatingly frustrating, so i think i got some mental block out of the way.

>>2223322
I haven't learned to draw, how do you even determine what the fundamental, measurable difference between someone who draws poorly and someone who draws well REALLY is? There's no magic line of separation.

>>2223578

Looks like you specifically avoided drawing the hands. You also used a very stiff pose, so it's not very stimulating to look at.

>>2223692
the more you learn how to draw, the easier it is to see your old mistakes in the works of others.
You consider those as poorly, and for people's art you still admire, you consider they draw greatly.

Practicing anatomy and perspective I guess

ask me to draw anything useful

i know there's no background

>>2223747
how bad is this

>>2223754
also i don't know how to change colors in manga studio lol

>>2223754
Jesus, what the hell is going on here

>>2223754
Draw someone running away from you.

>>2223763
>>2223766
update

>>2223776
so... should i keep practicing vilppu?

>>2223634
Curvy lines
The looks more like form, or blocking it out. Which is good practice too, but gesture is more about the action. Think this: relationship between hips and ribcage.
One part of you that is also very gestural is the shoulders. Look up the robo bean

>>2223760
Go onto the color square and drag lmao

>>2223776
>>2223779

jesus...

>>2223810
update

give me a theme

my mouse drawing is shit and I'm just beginning. Should I learn everything on pencil first? would that make any difference?

Going through Loomis, not sure if these are even worth talking about

>>2223844
as in, a computer mouse? don't draw using a mouse. ever. draw traditionally until you buy a tablet.

>>2223851
thanks. how do you make muscle movements more vivid?

if you were me would you practice loomis or vilppu?

>>2223870
loomis seems to be the go to beginner book

Im trying to do a thing, but before i continue i thought i'd better ask. How can i fix his face? it seems fucked and im not sure what to do.

>>2223899
I have no mouth and i must scream.

>>2223899
Gee, what a coincidence!
Try to draw a skull.

>>2223885

Not if you're still symbol drawing

>>2223960
try drawing on the right sight of the brain then

>>2223409
>>2223588
why do drawings like these never get blasted for chick skratch but all of mine do

>>2223899
No jawline/10

Twilight Princess Ganondorf.
I think I need to keep the hair strokes more organized. I also see some mistakes with the gem thingy on his forehead. What else? And how do I make the neck not look flat as fuck?

My attempt and first post (been lurking here for a few months). I can see the errors from a mile away, but at least these beginner's threads keep me drawing something.
I do not know what to do in order to keep a drawing habit and, above that, improve. I tried several books mentioned here (thanks a bunch for the resources), but I always end up doubting about its uselfulness because I am not sure if I can spot all the mistakes, have the patience or a good critical sense.

Sorry for this whining. It's just I feel like I am missing a key piece. I do want to learn how to draw just for the pleasure of drawing.

Beginner here. Today I make 40 days, from absolute crap to little less crap.
Today I feel masochist. In this picture I worked first in proportions and then in form. I know some parts have the wrong form, but my question is why it seems like a middle age woman? maybe the mouth?
Don't let the points in the forehead fool you, I did it for fun and because shiny head. It's actually an attempt of woman.

No reference, from imagination.

>>2224094
You should try and construct the face first.
Add more values, go darker, and go brighter. Perspective is off.

And it seems that you happened upon the misfortune of signing your picture.

>>2224114
huge eyes, tiny nose, egg head. Appearance of an old woman is probably due to the small upper lip (lips shrink w/ age), smile lines (normally not visible on a young expressionless face), and baldness.

>>2224121
I tried to construct the face before, using guidelines. I also think the eyes are big but I followed the recipe of eyes 1/5 of head's width and 1 eye between eyes.
Say, it's ok if I work different parts alone? I mean, working making eyes, then noses, then mouths, etc. Also, I forgot to do ears lol.

Thanks you.

I did that hand drawing on the ipad in the last thread. Trying some character sketching from imagination. I have no idea how to beard. It looks dumb.

Would getting through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain in a month be too fast?

I don't know how to pace myself for drawing since you only retain so info much in a single sitting.

>>2224186

Take as long as you need to do it right

You'd be better off doing Keys to Drawing though. There's a picture in the tutorial thread that sums up Right Side of the Brain nicely.

>>2224149
A full beard goes above the mouth

>>2223405

>5 years

jesus christ

no wonder why you guys are so fucking depressed

>>2224119
How is the perspective off? Is it his ear? I did it that way because they're turned outwards on the frontal view I looked at.
And yeah I sign my terrible shit. I kinda use it as a mental stopping point: "you're not allowed to change anything on a drawing you signed already." Otherwise I keep changing small stuff every time I look at it

For a graphite sketch what leads would you typically use? What would you use for the darkest shadows?

I tried
have no idea why I put a background

also drew some faces, ignore the notes
>>2224232

>>2224186
>since you only retain so info much in a single sitting
Does anyone have any sources of information on the validity of this statement? I keep hearing it but can't find any info on it.

>>2224233
m8

>>2223758
I hate how people think drawing on tablet will make them better for some unknown reason. Draw traditional, and go on from there. Going traditional is the best way to practice.

>>2224186
Look at the back of the book, it shows progress of students from her 5 day class. Depending on how many hours per day a week is ample time to read through that book and complete the exercises. Art is 5% learning 95% practice anyway, so you won't see AMAZING improvement for months.

Constructive critique please.

>>2224238
m8
inb4 cant stop drawing long noses

>>2224245
Basically this.
A lot of people around the art field tend to fail because they try to hard to look for that "info" in order to help them get better. When in the end, it simply is pick up a pencil and go.

>>2223409
Chicken scratch/10

First Skull Ever

>>2224246
>constructive critique
Use masks or lasso tool to make edges cleaner.
And you probably could do a better job with capturing the shape of this egg - it looks like you squeezed it somehow.

>>2224249
you haven't discovered the joy of chinless short heads yet

>>2224269

Are you happy now >>2224075, you fucking crybaby?

>>2224308
did you do this with a mechanical pencil

>>2224285
lightly draw the general shape or outline of an object before doing the details, or you will wrongly measure parts of a skull while filling in details.

>>2224311
i was doing a KTD approach with a focus on watching the subject more and listening to practical self talk not critical/negative

i know when shit gets real i have to do what you said tho

>>2224311
btw, thanks

the reminder is greatly appreciated.

What to do when you cannot eyeball angles and space correctly? How do I develop this skill?

I'm trying to draw a portrait form a photo on my monitor, and when I put my paper up to the monitor to check proportions, everything is way off. Should I just keep trying to draw things or are there exercises to help me?

>>2224321
yes

Should i even bother with lighting if i suck at everything else?

>>2224326
oops sorry about the pic

>>2224322
Yes what?

>>2224326
>>2224329
back to loomis?

>>2224333
lol i just looked at the original skull again

kek

>>2224333
The eyes and nose are facing directly forward while the skull itself is on an angle.

>>2224338
yeah I messed up the nose and tried to adjust it by making it bigger lol

>>2224338
Better?

>>2224310
.03mm felt pen (le pen brand)

it writes tiny lines.

>>2224338
wow that looks much better, thank you anon. anything else?

>>2224348
just realized the eyes are still way off and fixed it

>>2224299
a little my question didnt get answered though

>>2224348
you jaw is totally nigged.

>>2224348
You're suffering from symbol drawing lite.

Basically you see a line, then instead of drawing the line as it is, you go back to your paper and draw what you think the line was.

I cannot draw this fucking nose. Even if I trace it.

>>2224373
I feel like I should take more time doing these, I'm trying to get the idea first before going into the details

am I doing it wrong?

Do you have to be good at math to be a good artist? I can't eye measurements worth shit.

>>2224366
I think it depends on how chicken-y it is and if it looks good/intentional vs if its obviously a product of insecurity or just poor drawing. I'd be interested to see something you've done that's been called out as chick scratch.

Then again, I'm the chicken/10 skull you quoted so what do i know, I'm a total beginner

>>2224380
That has nothing to do with math. And like everything else you'll get better even though it may make it easier if you can already into spatial thinking and all that

>>2224380
I think that question was worded in a tardass way but to answer it, yes. I think you do need the capacity of juggling relative distances as you place down lines. But there's no actual math involved so....

>>2224377
show us your attempt?

Holy fuck. Every time I think I'm improving and I try to draw something a little more complex than a fucking cube I simply CANNOT fucking draw it and I go back and reread my stupid fucking books.

>>2224383
>>2224385
Any particular exercises to get better at this?

>>2224394
Just fuck off to your books and stay there you chicken. Buk buk buk! Babby can't handle the bants?

I got incredibly lazy due to being tired. Will do a better one tomorrow I promise

>>2224394
Remember when you were shit at those exercises too? Guess what, drawing a cube won't let you magically draw a person better. So start drawing things that aren't square

>>2224409
>symbols

>>2224377
I tried this nose

ask me to draw anything. i'm practicing

>>2224414
draw a whole page of blooks from loomis
then draw a cube and a sphere from 9 angles each

then do it again and again till it looks good and you can do it quickly

you're welcome

>>2224416
ok =(

>>2224414
draw these and post results

>>2224419
Why does the top left nose have an asscrack

>>2224434
That's a drawing of the cartilage of the nose. Without skin there is a slight groove between two sides of the nose like that. Depending on the individual, it might be more or less apparent in real life. I've seen it on a few skinny white guys with angular slim noses, not really on anyone else.

>>2224437
Owen Wilson's nose

tried this with no construction outside of a circle to start with, fucked up and made the jaw portion too long, kind of brute forced the values

clearly I need to work on pen value

well I gave it a shot , it was a challenge getting the shape/form right due to the angle. The front and side view drawings on the top are from a few days ago, thought I'd save paper.
any thoughts?

>>2224419
Am I drawing with the right side of the brain?

>>2224459

no.

>>2224464
Yes

>>2224459
draw them again, but upside down this time.
You should also have the nose reference picture upside down.

>>2224238
what book is that from?

>>2224479
so you're telling me to keep practicing not to use symbol drawing?

>>2224493
Yes

doodles

>>2224119
what are you on about? he used a pretty wide range of values (more would look oversaturated) and I can't see where the perspective is off.

>>2224241
hey, no need to hate me :(

just did it on msnpaint with mouse, wanted to know how bad it was

ok, you may now continue hating me

>>2224453
Frankly I envy your ability to get the perspective right.

>>2224241

Most people who straight to digital don't do it assuming it will magically improve their technical skill. What it does do is make failure more forgiving.
This can be good because you can fix your mistakes as you work on things. Obviously it can also be bad because mistakes have less impact and you learn less from them, and you don't have to be as deliberate.

>>2224321

Measure things relative to other things on what you're drawing. If you need to, hold your fingers up to the monitor as a sort of ruler. Your ability to 'eyeball' won't magically develop without you actively measuring things, and the best way to measure isn't trying to go "that's twelve centimetres from that" its going "there's an eye length of space between those eyes." or "the space between the eye brows and the bottom of the nose are the same as from the bottom of the nose to the chin."

>this thread

Some advice on the perspective?

>>2224446
I think the jaw would be less pronounced if the skull was fully fleshed out. right now poor mr. bones is missing part of where his brain would go!

>>2224513
Do you watch sinix or sycra?

>>2224583
I watch sinix why?

Quick basic sketch of the skull. What do you think?

>>2224596
>sinix
not a good teacher.

>sycra
very bad teacher

Stylized a bottle. Simple drawing, just want critique.

>>2224646
Bottle is warped towards the bottom.

>>2224645
I like watching him, hes not teaching me anything...

>>2224650

I assume you mean the line is going in the wrong direction.

>>2223975

Made this mostly to practice feet.

How does it look?

>>2224710
looks nice, though the left leg(Viewers left) looks too wide and the thigh on that side doesn't exist

>>2224714
left foot* is too wide

>>2224714
>thigh on that side doesn't exist
What do you mean?

>>2224744
he means there is no room for the thigh to be there. Look at that spot, if the knee is there, then how does the thigh connect to the waist?

>>2224747
oh okay thanks

>>2224596
Your brush/ style just had his kinda vibe Nothing bad about it I like sinix.

Does this have ANY merit? I made this in the beginning of my junior year.

>>2224772
Forgot image

>>2224773
Did you make it recently? If no, who cares. Draw something now and go from there.

What's the best place to buy a tablet (website or otherwise)?

Anyone have tips on how to focus when you struggle with racing thoughts, anxiety, and depression?

>>2224859
USA

>>2224862
Stop being a pussy and draw.

>>2224862
take your fucking meds, sit down, grab your paper and pencil and draw.

>>2224872
I mean like a store

>>2224862
>I'm too anxious/depressed to put lines on paper
Are you kidding? It's called getting a hold of yourself. If you don't enjoy drawing try something else. Otherwise JUST. DO IT

>>2224881
you've never had racing thought have you?

>>2224883
you've never had any self-discipline have you?

>>2224883
>>2224862
You're not going to make it.

>>2224862
go back to tumblr.

>>2224883
It is called self dicipline and I have had "Racing thoughts" Just that I am not a fcuck that uses as an excuse to be a bum

Ok

I was watching some cartoons and did this

what's next for my career?

can someone tell me everything im doing wrong
im fucking clueless

>>2224962
The sticky

>>2224962

the trashbin

>>2224962
eternal damnation

>>2224975
>Not having any initial construction
also the sticky is pretty helpful its not just a meme

>>2224189
Oh yeah, thanks. I'll bring the top right up underneath the nose.

Any good videos out there demonstration how to tackle the subject of Values?

>>2224981
>>2225012
>>2224990

Holy shit this is hilarious but I feel bad so have some serious advice. You need to get a grasp of the basics first and foremost. The sticky is very helpful there, but you could also just look very closely at people/eyes/noses/cups/cars/whatever and build a visual library that way, only looking up tricks and tech when you hit a wall. What's most important is that you keep drawing bruh

>>2224773

Are there any alternate /ic/ beginner groups?

>>2225048
don't feel bad, the sticky reply was actually really useful and pretty much what i wanted to know

>>2225122
Hurrah I contributed the only helpful thing

Are we still drawing skulls? Here's mine in progress.

>>2225130
Of course, gotta keep it spooky

How's this?

>>2225165
fuck off redditor, this is a beginner's thread

>>2225165

Awful. Can't believe you're rendering when you're still symbol drawing

>>2225175
Mind going a bit more in depth with what's wrong about it?

>>2224808
Back then I really wanted to go into illustration But I was too ashamed of my drawing to even go for it, I thought they just looked liked normal high school art so there was no point in even trying. but now I'm getting my doctorate in psychology and I'm having second thoughts as to the quality of my drawings.

>>2225175
Nice parroting common ic advice without knowing what you talk about.

That is definitely not symbol drawing. That is obviously a study of a figure/stature and it's not too bad

>>2224862
If you have medication please take it. Mental illness can really destroy a person's ability to do what they want to do. If you don't have meds and can't afford to see a psych/doctor then just do the best you can. Try getting things in your life a bit more organized. Set a routine and try to follow it the best you can. If you mess up don't kick yourself. Try to take breaks from time to time and reward yourself with something that you enjoy like a certain show or video game or food or song. It's tough to get art done and to study right when your brain is a fuck, but you CAN do it. Plenty of historically famous artists suffered from depression. You can do it anon.

>>2225130
I'll just drop this here. I have to go write some god damn cover letters ;_;

Just starting Watts. Proportions are kind of fucked and holding the pencil like a brush the way they teach is going to take a long ass time to get used to.

jumping from static image studies to life drawing is hard. How the fuck do i capture roundness and depth? it feels like every line a make is wrong.

Any guides on how to correct a bad chicken scratch habit? It effects me a lot when I'm using the tablet or drawing traditionally - I find clean line art extremely hard to do.

>>2225312
If you want to produce strong and confident strokes you need to practice that specifically with pencil/paper or pen/paper

I don't have it available but there are exercises where you draw two dots a distance from each other and you draw a line from one dot to the other the best you can. You keep practicing that until you can meet the line.

Also drawing various shapes in fluid motions helps too

Maybe you should look up Proko, he has some videos on things like that

>>2224114
>>2224114
So I'm just a beginner so I suck too but maybe I can help you out.

First off the skull is too round. The eyes should be right in the middle of the face, halfway between the top of the skull and the chin. Your eyes are too low and they are a bit mishapen. Try to imagine the eye socket in the skull underneath. Your nose is a bit too long, which ages her. The upper lip is too small, that ages her as well. Her ears are too big and too low.

Getting faces right is all about the proportions of the features. When you master the proportions you can manipulate them to get the age you're going after. I'd suggest avoiding drawing from imagination for now and try drawing from reference until you get the hang of it.

Here's a quick paintover to show you what I mean.

I might've posted in the wrong thread.

How can I improve on this?
>>2224935

It's a WIP, I know, but it just looks terrible to me.

>>2224114
it's mostly the smile lines but don't worry about that yet, you need loomis, also check your symmetry

Just wanted to draw something tbh. Haven't drawn in at least a couple of months lots of which is because I get really frustrated trying to learn how to use my tablet properly (you can tell in here, the massive difference in line thickness/quality) and how to not have to break the tablet to get any kind of thick line (like on the chin)

Not great imo but at least I got something done today

>>2225612
Pokemon really need to be reduced to basic shapes

>>2224567
Read perspective made easy, I know it sounds like a big chore to go through a whole book when asking for advice on one thing but if you understand basic perspective placing people in 3d space and drawing backgrounds will be really easy. The book is really simple so you will go though it fast and gain alot from it.

>>2225612
Learn the "sausage and eggs" technique for figure drawing

When measuring the human body, I usually do the X amount of heads method, which works. Problem is, when I put it on paper, for some reason I keep getting it a lot larger than usual, even if I manually mark each head length.

I think my problem is the fact that I use my finder nails, and mark a measure underneath it. Keeping my fingers completely still can be a bit of an issue, and marking right at the end of the nail makes it slightly off. Whats the best thing to use to measure it on your paper?

How do I make disproportionate proportions work?ie generally skinny but huge thighs.

Pic related is my attempt, how does it look?

>>2225630
Where can I find out more about this and learning it?

Anyone have any experience with this book? I picked it up at a book sale last month and began reading it. I'm about 80 pages in but it touches on some great stuff from the looks of it. It has tons of illustrations.

>>2225701
start with choosing what exactly you want to exaggerate

>>2225746
In that pic I just wanted to exaggerate the thighs but still keep her skinny.

>>2225701
that neck is too big for that style

>>2225701
First of all: Resize your work before posting it
But I think you're adding too much detail, in my opinion you should minimalize the toes and arms into simple shapes and not accentuate her collarbone, kneecaps and abdomen.

It also looks like her fat ass is merging into her lower back, you should look at the butt and leg muscles and see what exact areas you should enlarge.

I'd appreciate any critique on this, especially in regards to proportioning and construction. I know the left hand is fucked up, and she has no feet, I really need to work on feet.

>>2224645
>sinix
>not a good teacher.

>sycra
>very bad teacher

I've learned plenty from Sycra. What is your damage? He just parrots the shit he's learned over the years. Isn't that what all teachers do?

Unless this is some kind of

>lel i hate sycra cuz he's popular XD

meme.

>>2225760
Head and neck too big (unless it's a really small girl)
Arms too thin
Hands too small
Waist too wide
Shoulders too wide compared to hips
Crotch way too wide
Why did you even draw the asscheeks like that
Stop watching so much anime
If you don't know how to solve stuff compare it to different references

>>2225760
>>2225771
>Stop watching so much anime
Honestly this. Don't learn proportions from anime because of how much they vary, there's plenty of reference for what you're trying to accomplish, use it.

>>2225771
>>2225777
>Head and neck too big (unless it's a really small girl)
I made her 7 heads tall because I remembered hearing somewhere that 8 heads look like giants, but I guess I heard wrong.

>Why did you even draw the asscheeks like that
I'm fairly sure they would be visible from the front.

>Stop watching so much anime
I didn't intend on it looking anime-like, just moderately cartoonish, thanks for the heads up.

Thanks for the pointers, I'll keep working.

>>2225754
>>2225758
Okay so I made the neck a bit smaller, removed the collarbone and also made it so that her ass won't seep into her lower back so much. What's wrong with the adding detail though? Makes it look uncanny?

mfw ive never finished a drawing and I have no idea how to do it

>>2225531
im not at the level to paint over stuff at all but I tried anyway, I couldnt fix a lot of the stuff that bothered me, but I tried. Her hands felt too big and the boobs looks like they disappeared and in my imagination from this camera angle I feel like the hair would cover more of her face, though I ruined her likeness

>>2225894
oh and I made her head placement terrible its too far back =/

I can't do anything beside cel shading, so back to fundamentals.

>>2225919
now try it with a different textured ball

>>2225299
Linework layer removed,

What am I doing wrong?? It looks all fucked up when I tried the detail inside the nose-hole

Critiques?

>>2225948
There might be some small proportion problems but more importantly I think is your linework, try to make long confident strokes, it will take a lot of tries and practice but it will make the drawing look a lot better I think

>>2225943
I'm not sure if you were going for that yellow look but either way the shadows/colors you're using are really unappealing. Stop using those blackish shadows, they need to be more saturated, shadows have color. The reference if you noticed is far more orange. The nose is really detailed so I got lazy with it but I tried to fix the nose a bit and show an example of the color in the eye but mine isnt too good either. Anyway you get the idea I think...

>>2225943
put your ref in greyscale, and then look at your painting in greyscale; you've focused too much on color a tiny value range. It sounds boring, but try to do at least a good few studies in greyscale until you properly understand how to use value to turn forms.

>>2223742
paws*

>>2225971
*too much on color while having a tiny value range

>>2225866
lol I tried playing with your drawing but my knowledge of drawing legs is terrible, but I guess try to make more overlapping stuff

>>2225965
>>2225971
Bless ye lads. Bless ye.

>yellowish look
No look in particular, just trying to recreate the image. Thanks for the tip about the shadows having color.

>tiny value range
I had a feeling that this was the case.

>>2225977
While I'm here, is there any good reading on how to think about / choose colors? It's plain guesswork as I am right now.

>>2225983
>>2225983
Main thing to get right are the values, then comes color, though I wouldnt paint in greyscale, just make sure to check the values in greyscale every once in a while. If you get the values right youll be surprised at what colors you can use. Its pretty much lots of trial and error and experimenting, it's one of the great things about digital, and it doesnt hurt to color pick around the reference to get a general idea of whats there, though I wouldnt make it a habit it's better to train your eye to see the colors. Don't forget to saturate those shadows, avoid those ugly blackish colors. The james gurney book also might help

>>2225992
Thanks dude

>>2223405
I've found that if you have an anatomy-related hobby it helps a lot. I've got a buddy who was super into bodybuilding shows before he decided to learn to draw, and when I was teaching him he pretty already knew enough about anatomy without having to learn a single thing about it just from staring at insanely muscles men a lot.

I'm not good. I don't know the first thing sbout shading. how bad is it. what can I improve?

I like it. Very abstract!

>>2226019
>drawing on the right side of the brain
>fun with a pencil

>>2226019
they look really good, have some more faith anon

I honest to god did my best with this. I just wanted to draw Mario, but it came out as something some DeviantArt autist shat out in between his inflation comics. I've always gone about life thinking that I could totally draw if I just tried, but just never felt like it. Today I set out to change that and draw using this "hidden cache of ability" I deluded myself into believing I had deep down, and this is the result. I've never been so ashamed of myself before.

>>2226037
That's bad. But you're not hopeless. Keep trying. everyone starts somewhere. No one starts out making mona lisa's. It'd bad but remember it's not your best. your best has yet to come and I know you can do it. Countless anon's have spent years working their ass off howning their skills. You just need practice. Take your time, it doesn't have to be perfect,but take your time. each time you try you improve. Read up,study, look for references, Trace to get the feel of things. But most importantly don't give up. you're gonna make it anon.

Just tried the first exercise of the /ic/ guide
Picasso must hate me so much right now ^^

>>2226043
Thanks for the inspiration. That really means a lot to me.

It felt weird drawing that picture. There was no real gameplan, so at the start I planned on drawing Mario mid-jump, but something compelled me to draw him standing like that (can't remember exactly where the pose is from). That's definitely something I need to learn how to do right from the get-go, to make the pose look consistent at the very least. Shading is fucked, I just wanted the picture to have depth and didn't really know what I was doing with that. Looking back I also notice that the shading on his right arm is in a different direction to the rest of his body. Oops.

I'm afraid that learning how to draw will be like walking in the dark, or being taught how to swim by just being thrown into a pool and struggling like fucking crazy. That's most likely the one thing keeping me from just picking up a pencil and starting to practice. Irrational? Sure. But the fear is real.

No homo.

>>2225760
Kek

Homework from bio class

>>2225948
More detail, more shading, look at the way the "nose socket" works.

>>2226050
Head looks too big, ribcage not in perspective when related to the spine, the forearm behind the head is too short, skeltron isn't grounded well. Also take a look at the pelvic area and the way the legs connect to it.
On the plus side, I like the shading kinda and your hand looks aight

>>2226037
it looks like fun with a pencil by loomis is what you need

>>2226071
I tried going through it, but as soon as I was required to draw a head I just couldn't make anything good. Fun With A Pencil is definitely not for people of my level.

Another dank bod

>>2226083
What are you drawing with?

>>2226071
try this(pic) then accuracy by dorian iten then go through fun with a pencil again using the copying techniques you've learned

>>2226118
meant to reply to>>2226083

>>2226112
Paint. It should do the job just fine.

>>2226118
That looks like a good pic. Saving, will try it out... maybe not right now, but soon-ish.

>accuracy by dorian iten
You mean http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/ ? Just grabbed it, I'll see how it goes.

Thanks for the pointers, man. Really great stuff.

>>2223551
try to refrain from chicken scratching it, work at being more confident with your lines and making them more consistent and even.

>>2223816
what the fuck is happening

>>2223816
badacidtrip/10

>>2223816
wow just realized that this looks amazing tbh

proud of you anon

>>2224188
is that >>2226118 the picture you're referring to?

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so I was practicing drawing on the right side of the brain and drew this

the licking guy came after

back to Keys to Drawing?

>>2225976
I think I get the idea. Thanks.

if you're a beginner is it more productive to draw things from imagination like the licking guy here >>2226196 or copying it like the horse and foot?

Betty Edward's book is soooo booring

Drawing a "rocky mountain with dead trees" landscape, any suggestions?

>>2224098
Same poster. I did this today using some guidelines.
I am still trying (and struggling). But, to be honest, the manga from another topic is really inspiring. At least now I have the goal to draw everyday, just draw (although I will follow some books/videos from time to time).

Nobady?

Can I use a picture online/any object I have on hand for the proportion exercise in Keys To Drawing?

>>2226216
is he?

final state

Drawing a haunted wacky forrest of hand trees for practice. Any suggestions?

>>2226249
nice

Drawing a haunted wacky forest of hand trees for practice. Any suggestions/tips?

>>2226258
Stop

Feel like Loomis isn't working for me. Tried working with it 1-2 hours per day for 1,5 weeks now and I don't feel like I'd get better.

Is Scott Robertsons How to Draw also okay after doing Betty Edwards? It looks much more reasonable to me.

New project : some kind of town in a tree

>>2226135
Yeah. Duh. Paint is shit but alright. I wanted to know what you're using to draw. A mouse?

>>2226273
>Tried working with it 1-2 hours per day for 1,5 weeks now

What Loomis book? That's not really a whole lot of time btw, usually books take a month or two to go through if you're studying the drawings.

If it's fun with a pencil you could try moving on to his other figure books. If you're already on a figure book and not getting anything out of it then you might want to do Keys to Drawing and Perspective Made Easy.

In all honesty though, you're probably just being impatient. Why exactly do you not feel you'd get better from studying the Loomis book more?

I need your opinion I'm I doing these wrong? If so tell me what I need to correct

>>2226302

>>2226303

>>2226302
>>2226303
>>2226306
Take this with a grain of salt but it appears that you're trying to study these sculptures of the planar forms of the face without the proper prerequisite skills/knowledge.

Tried to draw some heads/faces from memory on break at work the other day. And a twisting skeletal figure.

finish ... really messy ... not really happy of myself there ... any suggestions?

>>2226327
I would have liked to have seen it with values instead of colour and the tree fleshed out, or at least more watercolour rendering without the addition of the outlines.

>>2226314
>>2226327
Your perspective isn't very well considered. It's especially obvious on the top left platform. The form of the tree itself is also inconsistent. The top center platform is braced flush against the surface of the tree, yet just below it the two houses are braced at an angle against it, facing right.

it's charming, but you definitely need to keep perspective in mind the whole way through, and have the form of everything in the scene established a bit better while constructing the scene.

>>2226273
try micheal hampton, figure drawing and design

>>2226331
I was about to say this. First thing I noticed were the roots. They're just flat shapes that aren't going forward or backward in space.

>>2226327

You're biting off way more than you can chew. The perspective is warped, and there are a lot of issues with construction going on.

All I can say is that it's best to leave complicated designs like this until you've got a lot more months of hard study under your belt. Get Keys to Drawing, Perspective Made Easy, and Vilppu's book. You need to spend some time doing things like still life drawing, the exercises in PME, really getting a grasp of form and building up your drawing technique.

>>2226358
>>2226331
h-he's just having fun anons

Decided to try a photo realistic drawing. Still working on it. Any tips?

>>2226309
>proper prerequisite skills/knowledge.
what techniques do I use any suggestions?

>>2226368
Form, perspective and accuracy in reproduction would do it as far as my eyes say.

Decided to try a photo realistic drawing. Still working on it obviously. Any tips?

Why do I struggle so much?

I look at other artists works and it seems to effortless, their lines are clean and fast and their poses look natural and effortless as well.

I feel like it takes me too long to finish a drawing any decent artist could probably crank out in a few minutes.

I feel like im struggling constantly, I wish there was a way I could improve so it wouldnt feel like that.

Maybe more practice with gestures?

>>2226389
Practice. Those people doing nice work really quickly probably have thousands of hours practicing.

>>2226389
this will sound repetitive but it really is just practice, those people have drawn far more than you. You need to be drawing for hours almost daily

>>2226385
1. Pick a side to have a light source, even if there isn't one in the pic.
2. Avoid dark outlines, they don't exist in real life.
3. (minor) Eyes should be darker

>>2226397
The light source thingy...does that mean I either have to erase a shit ton or do a complete new drawing? I feel like it's super hard to do rn

>>2226392
>>2226393
I feel like I do draw that much, but I guess not.
So i guess more anatomy/gesture study then?
so depressing.

>>2226361
I wasn't meaning to come down hard or anything. I'm just offering helpful suggestions. They asked.

help
this is a very quick sketch in between my real job (that's done in front of the pc anyway)
The only thing i'm disappointed in, besides the chickenscratching and the other issues, is how bad I sketch hair without a reference. They're just wrong, they don't even look like hair, they're detached from the rest of the head

>>2226420
First there really is no reason not to use reference when you dont know how to draw something properly, you wont magically gain the ability.

I tried to fix it, I didnt use reference but I probably should have I still see some problems. I like to think of the drawing like a camera angle, what part and how much of each part will show in this camera angle? It's easier to do this if you understand the shape of the hair your drawing. Also sorry if this wasn't what you were going for or it's bad advice, we're all beginners here

>>2226406
draw a lot of what you enjoy drawing and try to get better at each small thing you feel like youre bad at. Improvement will come with time I can almost guarantee it if youre actually practicing alot

>>2226406
Drawing isn't inherently practicing. Practice is a very specific act. If drawing was practicing everyone would improve linearly. Yet you see artists reach a point, maybe where they're satisfied with the quality of their work, and they stop improving. They're still drawing, some even professionally, yet improvement slows or stops completely. You have to be focused, with a clear objective in mind, and a critical eye [or outside critic] to analyse your work so you can correct mistakes.

How exactly do you practice?

>>2226450
>>2226420
woops sorry I just realized how much of the drawing I changed hoepfully this is closer to what you wanted, but yeah the same advice applies

>>2226389
>>2226406

We're all struggling. It wouldn't be practice if it weren't a struggle. You don't improve unless you're struggling. People who draw things effortlessly don't get anything out of that drawing, because they already knew what they were doing and had done similar things enough before so as to make it effortless. Effortless drawing is an artist's comfort zone and invites stagnation.

If you're drawing a lot and not improving, then you need to study more. If you're studying a lot and not improving then you need to draw more. If you're doing both and not improving, then you've gotten ahead of yourself and need to find whatever fundamental knowledge or skill to understand what it is you're not grasping.

Of course the obvious problem, and the only one that can be commented on unless you post your work, is your mentality. There's nothing depressing about having to work to be a better artist, that's just the way it is. You hitch up your pants and sharpen your pencil and draw. The more you draw the better you get. That's not depressing, it's exciting.

>>2226463
I totally agree, you said what I was thinking of more eloquently than I ever would have. Some people will just read books and not draw at all and wonder why they suck, and others will keep drawing stuff without ever trying to study stuff to improve their drawings

>>2224552
thanks
any other critiques would be nice

>>2226458
Well, I try to studies from life, or artists I like. I try to focus on specific things and draw and redraw them to look the way i'd like. like anatomy, you try to draw as close to what you are studying see as possible, and if you dont achieve that objective you start over. Is.. that not the correct way to practice?
If I'm practicing wrong, please correct me, i'd love to improve.

>>2226463
>then you've gotten ahead of yourself and need to find whatever fundamental knowledge or skill to understand what it is you're not grasping.
Maybe thats it, thanks.
I'm not at all discouraged, its just depressing to feel as though you are struggling when you try to work hard at it. Although it doesnt hinder my love for drawing, if it did i would have stopped years ago.

I hate my fucking life.

>>2226718
>1st row, 2nd column
Looks like an eggplant trying to impersonate Mr. Potato Head.

I'm just a shitter who's taken a few art classes in college, but I think Loomis was wrong to teach people to make loopy jobbers like that right off the bat, I think it's more important to learn how to draw realistically first, so that you know how to distort features correctly when you do get to styling.

>>2226718
tfw i remember doing the loomis cartoon heads.

On that day i realized loomis was a fucking scam and I started reading vilppu's shit instead.

>>2226768
>>2226758
>Everybody on /ic/ tells me to do Loomis
>Start doing Loomis
>"Loomis is a fucking scam do other stuff"

I hate my life.

>>2226777
nah bro, loomis is fine for extreme beginners since he explains fundamental principals that everyone should know. The great part about having loads of learning materials is picking and choosing which ones work best for YOU.

>>2226758

The cartoons are chosen, I think, because it's meant to display "make simple shapes and turn them into things."
It's more learning form and construction than portraiture.

That said I didn't like fun with pencil at all either and I wish /ic/ wouldn't suck Loomis' dick off all the time.

>>2226291
Oh, my bad. Yeah, I'm using a mouse.

Since I want to start actually doing the studies in the OP I gave it a go.

I feel like the eyesockets came out wonkier than I wanted and the teeth gave me hell.
I'm sure I'll notice more flaws as soon as I post it.

>>2226135
>Paint. It should do the job just fine.

If "the job" is shit like your mario drawing.
Unless you want to do pixel art, paint sure as shit won't "do the job just fine" for digital art.

Anon, just do yourself a favor and do one of two things:
Pick up a pencil and paper
Buy a tablet and pirate better software

Drawing in MSpaint with a mouse is going to be an exercise in frustration and humiliation for incredibly marginal gains. It's like trying to do an Olympic sprint in a wheelchair.

>>2226718
>>2226758
>>2226768
Has everyone forgotten how to read. It's called "Fun with a Pencil" you fuckheads. It is to art what those little 20 page "magic trick" pocket books are to magic. It was never meant as anything more than that. Jesus fucking christ people.

Get Loomis' "How to Draw the Head and Hands" if you want to actually learn how to draw heads and faces.

Sometimes I think this place is literally a retard magnet.

>>2226880
Aaaand there's your problem. Get a pencil.

i painted one of those skull guys. i didnt feel like working on the teeth a lot

>>2223297
The title's missing the D.

>>2223297
I sketch with a very free hand. It helps

Joining the study train.

Tried studying metal sheen with an image of some medieval helmet. I'd post my skull but it's terrible so please accept this instead.

>>2226118

this is cool, but how do I draw from imagination if I can't turn the image in my head upside down

>>2223405
what's ktd?

anyway i see what you mean with perspective made easy, a lot of the later chapters are to do with shading and shadows which may not matter early on. That being said the book isn't that long, you could probably finish it in a week if you really sunk your teeth into it.

>>2225344
>First off the skull is too round

maybe he's just trying to draw krillin?

am i polishing a turd?

nig

>>2228219
resize you dingus

erf

Hows my gestures?

>>2223588
Das cool mane

>>2227979
Great job fam

How is the composition looking?
First time attempting this. ANY thoughts at all are greatly appreciated

Looking up some figure drawing books, I notice there's a book for Drawing from Life and Anatomy. Is it best to learn how to draw from life first, or go straight into anatomy?

>>2224925
Also to add on, drawing should be the kind of thing that eases your "racing thoughts" and if it doesn't then im sorry your just not cut out for drawing.