/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Never done one of these threads, so I'm not too sure how it works... but here's my first undersketch. Any notes before I move forward?

>>2199100
Where's his tailfeather?

>>2199100
I'm not feeling the volume of the body and you could lose it.

>>2199100
>draw the rest of the fucking bird

>>2199103
>>2199134
Whoops. Had the image cropped 'cause I'm working on one screen.

>>2199126
Any advice?

>>2197015
>>2197023
>>2197025
I like your consistency in posting

I kinda lost track of what I was supposed to do.

>>2199164
>Horsedicks

the fucking bratwurst

rough pencil sketch

A good resource for drawing birds

>http://www.johnmuirlaws.com/drawing-birds

>>2199197
>now draw the rest of the fucking bird

Messed up the likenes and I'm still not sure how. Oh well. First digital face study attempt.

>>2199241
flip the canvas horizontally

I focused on measuring when I drew this, but critiques about other aspects are greatly appreciated too.
Are there any good measuring techniques anyone could share?
Will post reference in a bit.

>>2199292

>>2199292
your angles look ok, but your proportions are whack. Study up on some basic-proportion stuff like loomis etc. The kind of things that talk about human proportions in relation to each other. Also, you're missing a very important twist in the ribs. Check the angle between the nips.

Keep it up anon.

raz me

Got to cut this short. How'd I do?

>>2199436
Also, can't draw fluffy birds. Wat do?

Noob here, reposting from previous thread. Pretty new to the whole Loomis/Hampton thing, critique is appreciated.

i did this from the other thread. how does it look?

i did this from the other thread. how does it look?

Quick drawing with a crappy pencil. It's not 'that' horrible is it? Can't use volume or decently erase with it.

Took a break from trying to draw fucking cubes in perspective. Fucking Harding's Lessons, man. Frustrating shit.

>>2199539
I like its mood. :)

>>2199447
Painfully obvious that you're just using various brushes to get the effect you want. Kinda like a collage, patches of the same stuff in different places.

My six months shit progress, im on right way?

>>2199088

>>2199587
no
you're still drawing symbols instead of forms

>>2199587
Not to be all memee but you're trying which means you are always on the right way. It's a start. You'll get there

Started this today and decided that I'm going to try to finish it. what should I pay attention to moving towards completions.

>>2199587
Your form and anatomy are still very poor. Didn't you study and practice anatomy at all over those 6 months? There is improvement there, but not in the right ways. You still lack an understanding of form and the most basic nuances of human anatomy. If you're asking advice, I'd recommend that you grind gestures and start anatomy all over. Forget everything you know about anatomy (absolutely none of it is incorrect) and start fresh.

>>2199587
you know as a fellow beginner, my advice would be to spend the next 6 months only doing studies and drawing from life(and photos). then try this again. (I'm in month number 4) pic related is month number 3

Apart from flipping the canvas and constructing the face, are there any other solutions to avoid lopsided faces?

>Pic related

Posting bird.

>>2199612
start with a solid construction and use rhythim to relate one side of the head to the other. also spend more time looking at the whole drawing. not just one part.

>>2199613
pretty bird!

>>2199612
What >>2199621 said. Just start with simple guidelines. Draw a straight, horizontal line to mark the top and bottom of the eyes. Same with the mouth. It's important to give yourself as much help as possible, especially so for beginners. That often means creating your own landmarks and points of reference to keep everything correct. There is no excuse for going into a drawing blind. Take your time, and mark in rules and guides to keep everything flush.

>>2199608
How important is drawing from life?
Did you feel you've improved a lot from that instead of just drawing from memory?

>>2199633
Yes! and It's super fun I think some people don't like it but all the drawing that you do from life is going to really help your imagination drawing

>>2199640
Where do you go to draw?

>>2199646
Anywhere. You're surrounded by life.

How do you guys draw in public places?
I was at the park trying to draw a bird but I ended up chasing after it so I could keep drawing the same bird and not miss any details. I think people noticed because when I finished drawing I had to walk past 2 girls on a bench and they started making bird noises and calling me the 'pigeon chaser'.

I was too nervous so I held the picture up for them, then shouted ''PRETTY BIRDY'' and they started laughing because it looked so crappy. I didn't want them to know I knew they were laughing so I pretended to read something on the back of the paper and kept walking, and threw the picture away when they were out of view.

>>2199651
You should have stabbed them with your pencil.
By pencil I mean penis.
By penis I mean penis.

>>2199651
>I had to walk past 2 girls on a bench and they started making bird noises and calling me the 'pigeon chaser'.

How adorable

>>2199646
>>2199647 this and also if you are just beginning don't worry about drawing something cool like a character or a superhero. you can learn a lot from drawing an apple. if you really try to get it to look real. I'm trying to do that then I can exaggerate stuff later.

>>2199651
Go early in the morning, when there aren't any people around also, jesus, how can you be such spagettios.

>>2199088
How do I into values?

>>2199601
I was thinking of going back for the darkest darks again and trying to reaffirm some of the edges. wat do?

>>2199612
http://www.fredfixler.com/downloads/Planes_of_the_head.pdf

>>2199691
You're too fixated on surface textures. You should focus on describing the general value-regions, which should be informed by understanding the shape of the bird and the direction of the light source.

The head of the bird is a good example. The top of the head, beak, and eye are brightly illuminated. There are shadows under the eye, in the little 'socket' between the eye and beak, and of course under the beak. You didn't describe these at all because you were too fixated on the little colors and textures of the feathers. This flattens your image.

does peter han really have his hand floating above the paper while the pen is right angled? how am i supposed to draw like that?

>>2199795
Finer motor skills are a result of meticulous, careful long-term repetition.

critique?
Charcoal on a2 newsprint paper.
Studying at Watts Atelier atm.

>>2199821
finish it

>>2199821
Mind posting the bust you're using?

>>2199825
I just started at the atelier a month ago. absolute beginner still.

>>2199729
Thank you for the advice. Any tips on how to study values?

>>2199828
What sort of exercises do they start beginners with? I'm at a loss at what to draw and I'm avoiding stylized stuff for now to really get fundies down.

>>2199828
>>2199821
Proportions are way off. You should have spent the time to measure more accurately before laying in any values. Notice how you've taken the mouth and jaw and pushed then to the right? Notice how small the eye seems and the distance it is to the nose?

I think you need to take note of verticals and horizontals. Where do things line up? How far are they?

How do I into digital painting /ic/?

>>2199866
At Watts atelier, the first course is fundamentals 1. You're introduced to the materials list, which is:
Conte pierre a noir 1710 charcoal pencils(bulk)
cheap, smooth newsprint at 18"x24"
razor blades
kneaded eraser
drawing horse or easel
tracing paper.

After that, you're taught how to properly sharpen the pencil using the razors, you're taught to draw using the whole arm, you're taught the concept of values and how to shade using the charcoal pencil.
Finally, fundamentals 1 is finished by you drawing the major shapes of sphere, cube, cone and cylinder. Then you move onto fundamentals 2, which has values, edges, negative shapes, and still life.

>>2199867
Thanks, mate. I'll keep that in mind.

>>2199870
Thanks for the rundown, bruh.
Can't afford instruction and I've had no luck looking for a teacher where I'm at right now. I'll work out a practice sched with this material in mind.

Here is my sketch,how bad does it look?.

Sorry the resolution of camera is a shit.

>>2199876
looks like a pretty birdy anon.

>>2199954
Wrong one :S

sigh.. when self-esteem is zero and afraid exploit drawing skills irl...

>>2200028
fuck off this is yet the best bird
after this one
>>2200032

>>2199568
so does it look good or bad and if i put more effort into the details would it not look like that?

When people say "draw from life" does that always mean your actual surroundings, or are photographs acceptable?

I understand that something is lost in translation using photos, but does it still count as drawing from life?

>>2200092
if you can't lick it then it's not "drawing from life"
also 99% of photo references suffer from perspective distorshuns

There's something I still get confused about.
What measure is a head? Is it the full head or just the circle used as part of the head's frame?

First attempt to draw with Sycra's male anatomy video.
How much did I fuck up?

If I suck shit at drawing on paper, would a tablet help? I feel like it looks a lot smoother to use and you can entirely erase lines, which is huge, erased line remnants trip me up so hard.

But yeah, does a real artist have input on this?

>>2200126
A 5 second google would've answered this for you. But anyway, a "head" is the full head. Top of the crown to the bottom of the chin.

>>2200217
dat flat ass

>>2200181
Don't waste your time with Sycra. Study from someone like Vilppu, Steve Huston, Jeff Watts, ect.

>>2200226
His lightning bolt technique is pretty useful for quick sketching but that video was really hard to follow.
Where do I start with Vilppu, anon?

>>2199088

>>2200226
Agreed. Sycra is sort of like public access television. Like Bob Ross, or that "you can play piano in an hour" guy that teaches you the bare minimum needed to play a couple pop hits. That's what Sycra is to me. He is a talented artist, but not a fantastic educator.

>>2199671
The values are good, but the drawing is shit

>>2199640
>super fun
>drawing from life
>fun
I want whatever thing you take, I can't even look at the beginner picture before my mind shutdown at how fucking boring the idea of drawing it is, let alone draw random people.

I'd love to draw better, but I just can't figure out how to fix my patience and my boredom.

I'm not even sure I even have fun anymore trying to draw. What's that? Exercises? Okay, trying to just do them through by forcing myself.

>>2200080
Colours are fine I guess, but I'll nitpick.
The vast majority of the image is green, but it's way over saturated. It should be more pale. It should also be a little more yellow.
>made a really shitty adjustment to kinda show what I mean

Stop using the grass brush. Never ever use it again.
Same goes if you're using a leaf brush.

It might be worth your while doing an exercise where you draw something with a circle that has pressure based opacity.
Draw an image with only that tool.

>>2200387
Erotica. You have to find new and interesting things that give you a boner, but always have something to draw and you can grind gesture all day.

>>2200411
But seriously, does anyone know the proper position from which to touch buttholes?

Is Wei any good?

How do I make Courbet look less... Like he's farting

>>2200510
I think Courbet looks super smug in this drawing, anon. I like it.

Critique my bird /ic/

>>2199241
smh its looking pretty good tbh fam. but anyways heres a few things i noticed. her overall face looks slightly elongated, ear is too high. eyes look slightly too "open", also her pupils need to fill more the whites are too big, nose is slightly too narrow, and the line dividing the lips is over. other than that really weird color choice for line and background. not sure what program your using but its not cheating to overlay the ref over your pic to check

>>2200395
yeah i had a really hard time with the grass. i was having such a hard time with the textures i didnt bother to add in the colors to make it match the ref more closely. thanks for the tips. and im not sure what you mean by

>It might be worth your while doing an exercise where you draw something with a circle that has pressure based opacity.

>>2200549
>the line dividing the lips is over
meant to say its drawn wrong. the angle is off

>>2200387
If drawing from life is not interesting, then you're not looking hard enough. Firstly, nature is the greatest artist. Everything from color, the golden ratio and compositional harmonies are found everywhere within nature, from majestic landscapes to the tiny individual blades of grass in your shitty back yard. Secondly, it is my belief that physics and gravity work in a similar way. Have you ever looked at the way water pours into a sink, and thought it was beautiful? What about the way the wind rushes through trees? I don't think we find things like that pretty or thought-provoking on accident, I think that reality follows a compositional harmony just like the golden ratio.

If you learn to examine reality properly and see it for how beautiful it is, no matter what boring shithole you're trapped in, then you can attempt to replicate it in drawing. If you manage to replicate it properly, if you really understand the natural characteristic of the subject and interpret that visually in a way that only a human being can, then you are drawing well.

>>2199441
not bad, now vary noses and features. Draw people with hooked noses, old people, young ones etc.

>>2199492
So. Much. Lines. I know this is a sketch, but you really need to work on making clear lines.

>>2199539
Harding is probably the right exercise for you atm, to be honest. You messed up proportions, they don't relate to each other in your drawing as they do in the pic.

>>2199601
Some of your volumes speak well (in the face), some don't (the boobs). It looks like part of her chest is sunk in. I don't have the picture befor me, but it seems that your highlights are quite dark. I'd expect the clavicles to jut out more for example.

>>2199613
Good bird.

anyone got advice on drawing angles like this? i know its all perspective but anytime i try it i produce a mess of lines and angles

>>2200551
Yeah, grass is hard and time consuming. But you can't just use a brush for it, it's too blatant.
Also every noob uses that exact brush and it makes me want to shank a nigga.

Get a brush that's the shape of a circle.
Alter the settings so that it's opacity is controlled by your pen pressure.
>pic related is what you get, from pressing hard to light

Then draw something using only that brush.
It basically stops you relying on using textured brushes to depict something.

>>2200571
>not bad, now vary noses and features. Draw people with hooked noses, old people, young ones etc.
Thanks for the crit, will do.

>>2200573

Try redlining perspective lines onto the images you'd like to emulate and you'll find out a lot of things.

Also have in mind there's a lot of composition and rendering that make the piece what it is.

>>2200587
>Also have in mind there's a lot of composition and rendering that make the piece what it is.
>tfw I have to study composition before I can study perspective properly

It seems I need to do isolated texture practices because rocks are fucking with my mind.

I started doing line drills to build my confidence when sketching. I've done a page of lines and a page arcs and they were decent, but these waves are killing me. Even going slow isnt helping, since i generally have shaky hands anyway.
Should I just keep practicing or is there something im doing wrong? the lines are drawn once, then redrawn over 8X trying to keep in as clean as possible...

>>2200259
>Scyra
>Talented artist
Pick one

>>2200931
do these too, better on paper, couple of good A4 is a good start to understand how to make them cool
mine are shitty examples since they are albeit connecting dots, are _not_ alive
if you make analogy with music notes, perfect line is like perfect sound, must not end or start abruptly, it always build up it's "zzzzing".
master these with one stroke

>>2200939
Jesus, was he using (pic related) as his reference?

>>2200959
Thanks for the feedback, but You lost me i'm sorry
What exactly is that?

>>2200959
Just push straight lines and pull curved ones. it is not very difficult.

>>2200939
This, everything I saw from his sketches/videos is amateur lvl. he's obviously not a beginner, but his level is literally the "basic" one after years of drawing again and again. Nothing great, mostly shit tier, popular because of his knowledge/easy of access videos.

>>2200939

You could stab someone to death on that chin..

>>2200985

Most of the stuff in his videos is generally pretty quickly done and done to get his point across.
If you look at some of the stuff he has on his portfolio site he clearly knows what he's doing. I don't really like his anime pointy chin thing style though.

>>2200556
Well, I'd love to understand how to look harder.

But that's the problem, I don't. I'm fascinated by how life adopted to nature, not nature itself.

I don't have the "wow factor", if somebody tell me "look at how gorgeous the view is", I'm generally feeling cold.

I think more of things like insects, super-natural monsters, humanoids, etc. Or basically, just wildlife.

the ability to see the beauty and intricacy in things is not something that can be taught.

So instead of thinking, jeez HOW can I see these things by staring at them waiting for something to happen. Look at them from a different angle, use your creative mind.

Where you may see just a leaf on a tree, or a tree in a forest; look at it differently. see the life in the ecosystem. The organisms that live inside these free-slowing things. How they have grown over hundreds of thousands of years to create what you are perceiving at this moment.

When they say 'look at this view' they're not telling you to look with your eyes, but to feel it.
See how the colors come together in harmony, the smell of the trees/ocean/wind, the feeling of the freezing breeze or blaring heat of sunlight, taste the fresh air going into your lungs. maybe including the touch or emotional connection with the people you are accompanied by/ people the place reminds you of.
You take all these elements and then make the piece of work that reflects the emotions that these combination of senses create inside.
Sometimes, and it sounds dumb and time-consuming to some, is to go outside and experience it first hand. look up the term 'grounding' yourself and use that as a tool to try and see the world with an open mind.

And think, What is that infatuates you about insects and monsters? What is it that makes me like these things, and how can i incorporate these things into other subjects to make them more interesting?

>>2200939

I hate his style to the bone

>>2201069
Man-made reality can be beautiful too. The clean, isometric lines of machinery or crisp architecture can be just as visually appealing as nature. When you get to a certain point in your drawing, you will see these things differently, and reality will become very inspiring. You will use it to synthesize new, creative ideas that don't exist in the real world.

As >>2201101 says, appreciating the magnificence of reality helps a lot with this. If you are a cold, cynical person who scorns reality for being something it isn't, or if you prefer the artificial realities humans have created for entertainment, then your work will reflect that. A good life painting isn't just good because the artist is technically skilled, its good because the artist felt the subject and understood how infinitely complex it was in that moment.

Again though, you cannot really learn to feel this way. You can't force yourself to find everything awesome, otherwise it comes off as fake. Keep drawing. Learn more about this reality and the universe. Explore science and how it works visually, physically, chemically. If drawing makes you truly happy, if it makes you feel human and alive, the things I am describing will eventually occur to you.

>>2199088
This is kind of a weird question but...

Do you have to draw a self portrait to finish Betty Edwards? I haven't looked at myself in the mirror for over 6 months now and I really don't want to

Is there any easy guidelines to start off with, all the ones I work with now are really complicated and I feel like I'm jumping the gun.

>>2201345
as an early beginner as well, i find Loomis' books really easy to understand.

So while I work on fundamentals I'm trying to find a method of inking lines that convey weight.

What is a good resource for this. Looking at comics really isn't helping. It always look off when I do it.

Pic related.
1st is me finding the skelington
2nd is me trying to find the mass and general shape of the presidnet
3rd is me trying to detail more important features
4th is me just using the default pen tool and drawing what I see
5 is me attempting to ink

Critique it, destroy it. What am I doing wrong?

>>2201400
You're making art out of trump. That's what's wrong

>>2200242
>Where do I start with Vilppu, anon?

Start with the Drawing Manual. Read the book and watch the video series. It's the 15gb torrent on kat. You can also find it on complementary goober pears. The book is a separate download.

Jusf started drawing
My first self portrait.
Actually very proud of it.

>>2201470
>lady-killer flaunting not only his looks but also his incredible talent
Some guys just have it all, it's not fair.

>>2201470
Good be proud of your work but don't be cocky, if you just started you should learn the basics like perspective,shading,shapes all that good junk

>>2201400
he looks a bit like jimmy carter

>>2201512
I think it's supposed to be Donald Trump.

>>2201470

Truly magnificent.

>>2201400

>>22014>>2201487
You shouldn't be peoud of wor>>2201487
Fuck off nigger

>>2201543
>this jelly
You certainly shouldn't be proud of that post, what a train wreck.

>>2199601
bad case of man face. linework on the jaw should be more gentle, and try to avoid using more than a couple of strokes when drawing a female's nose.

>>2201400
CANT STUMP THE THRUMP!

>>2201470
with our constant shit posting we will never reach this~

Practice portrait before moving on to legit drawing on toned paper

Advice?

The right eye is meant to be that height btw ;_;

>>2201565
It's a good start. Keep practicing your anatomy, read the sticky and push your values

>>2201565
Shaaaaaave.

>>2201565
>The right eye is meant to be that height btw ;_;
Lol, looks good though

>>2201400
now I am going to have nightmares about fat billionaire ghosts

Is How to Draw by Scott Robertson an okay book to start with?

I'm looking for a straightforward book that will touch on the fundamentals so I can have a basic level of skill and figure out where to go from there.

I have a problem, when I use character lines or guidelines whatever you call them everything ends up disproportionate but when I try and do it free hand if comes out better than when I use character lines. I get their supposed to help balance things out and add symmetry but aside from the head I don't really get the point of using them

My portrait for "Right Side of the Brain". Someone please critique.

Doesn't look right - only problem I can pick out is there is too much space between right eye and side of the head.

>>2201701
That literally makes no fucking sense, but whatever how the fuck is that a problem? Don't use them then.

>>2201611
Start with perspective made easy.
Most of Robertsons book is about perspective and form building techniques it is very good if you already have basic understanding of perspective. Robertson kinda glosses over most of the basics.

>>2201565
Slight improvement? Hmmm...

>>2201584
Neckbeard will dominate

Help

In the last thread, someone told me the top foot on the second pose on the right column looked broken, fixed that as I noticed I had drawn the leg in a completely wrong position.

Someone else pointed out I do not draw the arches, which made the feet look flat. In which of these is that the case? To me, it doesn't feel that way, so I'm wondering if I'm observing wrong.

Included the references in the picture as well.

Gesture is not for me so I just continue with expressions.
Still can't understand hair and mouths.
I mean I don't know fundamentals anyway but these two things are especialy hard to draw.
Spendet to much time to try to make the hair look the same on each of the heads and I even needet reference to draw the open mouths.
I don't know any better words to describe it but I think of things like mouth and hair as kind of vague/abstract to draw, if that makes any sense.

>>2201874
>Gesture is not for me so I just continue with expressions.
>Still can't understand hair and mouths.
>I mean I don't know fundamentals anyway but these two things are especially hard to draw.
cute, you dont practice things but you want to be good/better. have fun with that.

>>2199197
It is much much easier just do it like you'd draw any other animal.

r8 bird

>>2201873

You need to be aware that the heel sticks out a lot more than you might think, especially when someone is standing with their all weight on their feet. Look at pose 1. You've misplaced the heel and ankle, 2. the arch is not pronounced enough, 3 & 4 your heels are too small and the top of the foot doesn't have enough mass, there's a beautiful S curve that you have missed out on. In general you could work on gesture, there are certain proportions and flow to the feet, they taper from ankle to toe in a wedge shape that you haven't quite got the hang of yet. At some point you've got to take liberties with your reference and start designing more appealing shapes, not just copying. But you need to study anatomy and really understand the foot as a 3D object before you can do that effectively.

>>2201874
this hurts my eyes. such expressionless faces. There is no emotion. nothing worth of a note.

>>2201873
im a sucker for feet but these are disgusting

literally why do i suck at everything i try

I was just looking at faces on QuickPoses to reconstruct and copy. I did the circle-constructy thing that people usually do to construct faces and everything, nothing ever turns out okay and it still looks disgraceful. Everyone else seems to be able to copy photos in pencil or whatever so easily and accurately.

It hurts ;-;

>>2201935
Thanks a lot, love the redline. I'll keep those things in mind.

>>2201941
The references as well, or just how I drew them? If so, what would make them more appealing for you?

>>2201974
read drawing on the right side of the brain.
What u are doing is symbol drawig at its finest

>>2201885
I'm trying to teach myself and this here supose to be some kind of practise, i guess. I will get there eventualy, maybe I learn some fundamentals on the way.
>>2201938
Atleast its not completley broken, so I made a little bit of progress. Its hard to imagine every single important detail that makes a face look like a face, but i'm trying to stay optimistic.

>>2199384
I like it it's simple

>>2201989
I see "The New Drawing On The Right Side of the Brain"

and then the original. Which one do I want?

Lots of experience with pencils, but beginner at acrylics
Will this set be useful for a noob?

http://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Sang-Acrylic-Paint-Set/31-2754

Help me out, can't capture the likeness. Tell me what's off, cause at this point I really can't tell very well.

>>2201714
The left side of his face is a different shape.

>>2202029
Ear too small and should be more tilted backwards.
chin too small and does not have the rund shape that she got. Cheeks should also be fatter.
Otherwise I think it looks ok

>>2202007
4th edition. It is the most recent.

>>2202029
The forehead should be longer. That seems to be the main difference.

>>2202029
Shape of the nose is off.

Should I even bother with this anymore?

I realized I was maybe a bit too focused on the texture too late. How do values even work, like, shit. I also cut the poor birdie's legs off.

>>2201744
how is 3PV different from 2PV?

>>2202044
>>2202042
>>2202038

Thanks! Those comments + stepping away from the computer a bit helped a lot. Still off though, so would love more feedback

h-how is this anatomy-wise?

>>2202100
its okay and it delivers the message..but that chicken scratch.. still uncomfortable with the tablet?

>>2201400
Im also a fan.

>>2201974
stop being a bitch and keep drawing.

>>2202112
this shit is becoming the new badly drawn jesus meme. good job Op.

>>2202107
hell yes. I can't even do proper lineart with this thing. I've played with the stabilizer tool (i'm using clip studio paint) but it feels like, too slow.
i read somewhere that tracing (for practice) helps but i don't think that would be very useful. any advice?

>>2202027
Sets are designed to jew beginners into paying more for the stuff because it's assembled.
If you don't care about that then I guess it's fine.

>>2202041
So do I actually need to read this from start to finish, or just look for the exercises and do them?

>>2202041
So do I actually need to read this from start to finish, or just look for the exercises and do them? In addition, are there chapters you'd suggest for learning to cure my symbol drawing?

>>2201974
First you fucked up the head tilt, second your perspective is off, third the eyes aren't aligned properly. As someone who has and is currently going through a similar phase I know it's hard. Remember in grade school when you were taking tests and the teachers said don't worry about how fast someone finishes? Well it applies to art too. Point is, yeah they can do it better but so fucking what? Hell they might think they suck more than you do. It's so easy to get caught up in how better or faster someone is compared to us, but you gotta fight that. The fact you know your face is shit is great. It means your eyes have improved and you're one step above dA tarlets who draw the same damn thing over. But this only helps if you work your ass off. Believe me it hurts seeing something you drew turn out crappy, but you gotta push through it. It takes YEARS to become amazing, but don't give up. You got the time anon.

So I'm trying to get better at drawing, and I was reading some of Hampton, but I dont really.. get it. I tried doing some gesture drawings on the bottom, but i couldnt finish them even in 30 seconds...

>>2202099
The forehead is still not long enough. Otherwise good job

>>2202084
3-point and 2 point perspective? There are 3 vanishing points.When the line of sight is not parallel to the ground plane, 3P is used.

>>2202290
I use this stuff to determine
remember you can sorta cheat up to 15 degrees up and down and still maintain straight lines with no diminishment towards nadir or zenith
or at least it won't be _that_ noticeable without srs measurements

>>2202219
Read the sticky, you retard

Read through the book so you understand what is being taught. The only thing I skipped was the chapter where she went on about brain modes near the beginning.

>>2201400
>you will never get proper advice

>>2202175
sorry for lateness but no dice for you man line quality comes with confidence and that comes with practice plus time. but at first i literally gave the mouse to my mom and told her to not let me use it and over time i grew used to the pen haha

I can't make it very long at all without wanting to stab myself in the face with my pencil.

>>2202416
Ye, I felt the same way when first drawing the loomis heads. I just drew a shit ton of them until it felt more natural to do.

is this a good start? i'm scared of the hair but i guess i have to do it.. and i just noticed i fucked up the nose bridge

>>2202458
Don't just work by rendering a small area then moving to the next one. Work the entire image at once.

>>2202471
was only focusing on one part because it's late at night and i just wanted to do something before going to sleep. gonna aproach it again tomorrow following your advice :)

Am I gonna make it?

>>2202416

The most important skill in drawing is patience

>>2199088
Can anyone help point out the problems in these sketches? What are some things I should watch out for in the future?

>>2202499
You will eventually, like everyone else. Just keep at it. Try to analyze your work, and see what you need to improve on, then apply that.

>>2200247
1:1

I can't render things. I just don't understand it. I have an idea and think I can sketch it, but painting anything smooth and clean feels like guesswork at most. Can anyone point me in a direction in this picture? Should I give it up and just go back to studies?

>>2202499
Definitely maybe.

>>2202567
You could go back to painting the smoothest cube or apple ever, then come back to that and see if you can apply what you've learned.

>>2202567
probably should look up artist processes and study how they do shit when they render. also, start with more basic images, and gradually increase the complexity as you become acquainted with the various ways you can render

also google muddy colors + edges + greg manchess. every time i try to link it the post gets flagged for spam. the article is definitely worth a read tho.

Tips for character design? I can sketch out a character quick (by which I mean something of an idea, gesture and silhouette), like within a few minutes, but when it comes to specifics and minutia I just get hung up on absolutely everything. I think I switched the glasses 4 times and the hair at least as much, for example. I've been working on this silly thing for almost two hours (in between shitposting, of course).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocvu-Mn3IAo

>>2202567
It comes with practice, render the whole thing and then render it again, you'l take the new information and create something closer to what you want.

>>2202282

Thanks, you were right about the forehead.

Think I'm done with this. Didn't manage to get the likeness but got fed up. Would appreciate any and all feedback.

>>2199164
that parrot sure has a big cock

>>2199492
just fuck my bird up

>>2202749
It's the jaw I think. If you look closely at the ref you can see that the jawline is a lot more rounded than in your work. If you fix that you're pretty close to getting the likeness.

What is that sticky you are all talking about?I am new here.

>>2202749
Nope.avi.jpg
Get something straight and hold it vertical at where the back of the neck, meeting at the white shirt is. Where is the bun? I'm just a shitty beginner but surely this is just being too lazy to measure and compare to your basic unit

Just look at the angle of her jaw and the shape the shadow forms

Can't you lay your drawing over the other with 50% opacity and see the discrepancies?

>>2201470
did the shading on the upper lip take you like 3 hours?

Time for more

1st ""speedpaint""" from imagination how'd I do

>>2202795
Colors feel kinda 'dry' for the lack of a better word.

>>2202809
Desaturated? I do have a tendency to do that.

>>2202256
Is the guy above hitting with a guitar in the back to the guy bellow?

>>2202816
It's a bit that, but it feels too exclusive green and blue. Like there should be hints of other colors to subtly offset that or something.

>>2202833
no, i thats just 3 attempts at gestures. i'm not very good at em

Some new studies, feel free to critique.

>>2202764

How were you able to find this beginner thread if you couldn't find the sticky?

The sticky is the top thread on the main page of ic and in the catalog.
It says in big letters "READ THE STICKY"

When studying from life/photographs and trying to get construction down so I can make human figures on my own, do I want to copy the photograph by planning the skeleton first like I would a normal drawing, or just copy the photograph line-by-line and then define the skeleton under it? I find the first method causes me to start symbol drawing since the skeleton I make ends up barely matching the photo.

>>2202786
This is really nice.

>>2199088
How the fuck do I draw a circle
How do I do it
please tell me how do I draw a circle

I decided to follow Hampton's class on figure drawing in tandem with the book. There's some homework every week, so I decided to just submit it to /ic/ for feedback.

This week: 100 gestures (50 from photogrophy/real life", 50 from old masters)

1/5

2/5

3/5

4/5

5/5

I definitely don't feel comfortable with it yet. I want to grind out another 100 perhaps before moving onto the next lesson.

If one were to start painting should they first become well versed in sketching?

How am I doing with these? Critiques?
Also, when I scan my pages up it turns out way too bright and a lot of my values are lost, what scanner settings should I use?

>>2203023

my attempt

I have trouble drawing big.
My limit is 1.5 cm (about a half-inch) for the head, to give a reference, anything bigger and I shit the bed.

>>2203319
nice
love the beak

first post on /ic/ give it to me straight

>>2203381
read the sticky

>>2203381
>good god mines is so shit it hurts
k anon try to see the image with shapes and forms because yours looks supper flat, add more construction to it.

>god its so disgusting that I did it again.
K anon I suck with tablets so I imagine my first crit was shit, the pic in THIS post is what I mean you should try to do, look at objects and try to brake them down to more basic forms after that add detail AND ONLY after that because you're new and shit...FUCK OHONE CAMERAS

>>2203395
>>2203404
ok you're kinda making sense but i'm struggling to see how you break into little parts. like i can see it in your image, but i don't understand why you would break it down further

>>2203382
will do

>>2203411
but i do realize that my bird looks very flat compared to others in the thread

>>2203411
its done to detect shapes in things, its one of the most basic skills you NEED to master to move forward with you art ....its also easy and it boost your ego a bit ayy.

>>2203415
so when putting the pencil to paper, i break it down into little lego pieces? or what?

>>2203411
capture the main shapes of the object you're drawing then go towards the smaller shapes after that.
so
>main ovals of the chest and head
>main shape of the wings
>main shape of the beak
>eyes,muscles,neck and parts that connect to one another
do you know the most basic shapes and forms?
>read the sticky
well everything in this earth shares those or variation of them knowing when those shapes are in a piece teaches you how to draw or render/shade them.

>>2203423(you)
man those shapes are garbage...why the fuark is this tablet so hard...

>>2203423
I know you're giving advice, but anon, you should probably not use your tablet for at least a year. Getting used to tablet isn't THAT difficult. Stick to traditional for now.

>>2203430
hahahah i know! i'm doing only an hour a day of tablet and 4 of traditional i want to learn enough of the program so that when i move to more digital studies i have some ground work.

>>2203428
Protip: when writing out comments like these, don't

>>2203440
sounds fair, how do you delete a comment?

>>2203441
Remember the advice I have you earlier?

>>2199612
There's something about those eyes, anon.

I drew some silly shit and draw a couple of pages of circles.
I have no clue of what should I be doing.

>>2203441
open up the thread.
tick the checkbox next to your comment.
bottom right, hit the Delete button.

cool

>>2203531
thanks!

Friend says he wants to git gud at drawing.
Not sure what direction I should point him in.

its turning out much better than my dog did

>>2202786
cute

>>2203564
Show him some red-lined japanese cartoons.

>>2203564
he's hopeless. work on yourself

good job anons, lots of consecutive posts o_0

>>2203582
really nice colors, they look realistic
>>2203575
keep going man, maybe use some more hard edges
>>2203600
I like your edges and shapes, looks like you got lazy with it like I did though

woops switch the comments

>>2203582
>>2203575

>>2203600
I love how it's geometrical and applied to nature, that's a very exquisite style

>>2203575
if I have to give a critique that might help you in the future is to look at the color that you used for the shadow under the beak in the white fur, you used a greyish color which is understandable but if you actually look at the reference it's a sand-ish yellow color

>>2200028
-nice!!

A little practice today. What I feel like I learned from it:

Need to relax the pose. Tried to mesh two references and made it look awkward.

Study up on proportions. I continually try to simplify or stylize what I don't completely know.

Patience. I've been harshly rushing my works without breaks.

Observe and study more value. Still not entirely sure how to convey it well simply through pencil.

Lessen chicken scratching / make thinner lines in places.

Anyone have any other critiques?

>>2203705
Looks good! Though the hands look a bit like oven mittens, other than that very good style, very cute.

What does /ic/ think of /r/artfundamentals?

>>2203769
You mean what does ic think about guy that could not find perspective center of plane correctly but still begs money for watered down peter han's course on his patreon?

>>2203769
Decent, but difficult for anyone who hasn't touched art before.

>>2202749
look for your negative spaces
the shoulder and the chin are way too far apart and the face isn't round enough in general
it's a nice piece though, keep practicing - love the detail in the ear although your colours are a bit muddy and could do with more reds and yellows.

>>2203801
>>2203782
I haven't touched art at all before, should I just pick up one of the books in sticky? or are there other course like that for free?

>>2200395
the saturated looked more lifelike than your desaturation

Criticism pls

Also, would IRL people find it weird if I showed them drawings of little girls?

>>2203836
I was in your position 2 weeks ago

Just read the fucking sticky and follow instructions. Don't hesitate or think that drawing can't be learned because you can barely draw a stickman

>>2203885

I don't think it'd be weird so long as ALL of your drawings aren't little girls.

As far as crits are concerned, I'm not the best person for that, but I'm sure there's something to be desired with the values. I don't know if this is a picture taken with a camera or a scanner, but you could definitely expand the range with blacks and whites.

Okay so how does this fucking work? I'm reading and going through Drawing On The Right Side of the Brain, and I'm being told, both by this book and by /ic/, that I shouldn't be symbol drawing. That's cool and all when I'm copying photographs. but how the hell do I draw a human figure from imagination without relying on the symbols that are used to make the figure? How do I even have an art style without reducing human parts into symbols and shapes?

>>2203957
Just try to draw it as best as you can. You're simply being tested to what you know now, and realize what your weakness will be in the future.

>>2203885
i draw lots of little girls and people think i'm weird..so watch out.

>>2204015
I'm sure they'd think you were weird even if you didn't draw little girls.

>>2203745

Hey thank you so much! I did flub up the hands a little bit, but I'll get lots better! It's what the practice is for after all!

Oil wip
Still a lot to fix

>>2204057
your paint looks like it wants to be somewhere else

understand that paint is paint regardless of what you're painting, let it be what it is

Guys I've a bit of a question here.

I've noticed that when I draw I'm constantly rotating the paper since I can only seem to do nice lines horizontally from left to right. I don't know if this will come back to bite me in the ass as I progress out of the newbie zone.

Should I put effort into learning how to do lines from any direction or is rotating your paper normal and not that big of a deal?

>>2204082
Want to know this too

I want to do more with this picture, what should I fix before doing propper outline?
Sorry for crappy lines, I think this brush doesent go well with the ereaser, atleast thats my excuse.

How do I start reel painting?
with tone?
I feel I can do it, but turns out shit
how do I start?

Halp...

>>2204158
the more motions your hand gets comfortable with, the more line variety you will achieve.

don't be afraid to suck at first, thats a part of drawing that most people don't get past.

Also this video helps with line quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2204158

I googled it since people were taking a bit to reply. It seems it's not a problem until you get into larger drawings like canvas or painting. I'll still try to work on my pencil strokes to have a wider range of comfort, but it seems that it isn't that big of a deal for beginners.

If someone else disagrees or has something to say about it I'd appreciate it. I only found several opinions on forums about it and I'd like more point of views on rotating your paper as you draw.

>>2204022
i blame anime and lolies.

>>2204174
dont worry anon, theres always the sticky.

I got fed up with studies and wanted to something of my own, but I can't figure out what's wrong with this, especialy the building in the back, it just feels wrong for some reason...

>>2204162
My first painting. Took me too much time.
During the entire thing I was thinking "Painting needs to die."

>>2204289
realized that looks cluttered as fuck, also
>painting in photo background
>all those spots that were empty
fuck me.

tried to draw animu. anything I can do to make it look better?

Hello, I just started trying to learn how to draw. I tried that Fun With a Pencil book but I'm really not a fan of it. But I think I understand it. So far I've just been doodling silly little things and trying some exercises to learn how to handle the pencil, is that good enough until I feel confident in my ability to get learning and do it properly?

>>2204306
Daniel warren is color blind as him for tips maybe he can give you a hand.

>>2199088

>>2204356
the easiest way/best ego booster is figure drawing it keeps you drawing and you get to do motion studies. read the sticky and try this site one hour a day. http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>2204360
Thank you! I'll do that as well.

>>2204241
Go Read Perspective Made Easy, the vanishing points are way too close.

>>2203912
Besides actual exercises from books all I draw is lolis

It's taken with a camera

I don't understand your advice

I usually mess up the initial toning and make it too light which doesn't leave enough room for a significant variety of shades. I use a 4B pencil and 4B graphite stick, should I try something darker to achieve blacks or just try crosshatching?

i have no motivation. I think i've hit a wall, this entire month has been so slow.

>>2204386
Thank you :)

Made a color base for bird

i cant draw good

>>2204241
this isn't the best explanation but 2p persepctive only works so far before you get distortion, same with 1p and 3p, basically in 2p or three point if your lines go less then 90 degrees than you are seeing distortion and either half to sccept it, adjust your vp, or embrace it and switch it to either 5p or 4p perspective, they eye naturally curves things around the edges but nobaody ever sees that, lens automatically cut off before the distortion (except fish eye ones) so you either adhere to the limits or move to the next perspective level

>>2204392

That's unproductive: all these shapes are bruteforced. How do I stop sucking and start actually painting?

>>2203575
finished this. the feathery chest pattern was hard so i gave up

>>2204467
oh here it is

>>2204468
A burd with scale leather armor

>>2204330
loomis.

>>2203600 here

>>2203638
thanks, man. Yeah, trying to get the chest feathers to look right and not like scales was frustrating.

>>2203661
thanks!

>>2204493
youre right. im going to have to work on that a bit more

Bourd

>>2204636
just sayin

okay i descaled it. never touching this one again

>>2203037 here. Onto week 2 of this class. Construction is a weird process for me. I don't think I've ever done it as systematically as Hampton put it. Homework is supposed to be 25 constructed figures, but I'm gonna shoot for closer to 50. Here's 3 for tonight, and I'm hoping to grind out another 10+ tomorrow.

For anyone interested, here is the playlist for Michael Hampton's class: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmvvULkxsc81Az2i_0wOIVVMkRJnPoA7i

If you have the book, the videos are essentially just explaining and demonstrating those concepts. It's very helpful.

>>2202749
chin is not right it goes more in and out...eyes dont open up that much...lips too big especially the top one....neck way too long....bottom of nose too fat....colors could use work, avoid those muddy looking shadows...your face overrall is fatter than the ref...

>>2204657
b2

>>2201873
I think your linework is really good!

new thread?

>>2204410
Thanks, that helped a lot! I was just experimenting with it, I just finished "keys to drawing" and wanted to see what I could do...
I cut one half of the image and use just 1vp, so I hope that helps.

>>2204986
suggest a theme lad, im only being op cos the last 2 guys seem to have given up.

this thread is the most participation ive ever seen.

>>2205000
C-could we try out clothing?
Maybe person wearing filthy casulal stuff?

>>2205003
hmm ill have to find some good stock that I feel will inspire everybody.

>>2205005
you did a good job with the bird, everyone drew it.

>>2205011
ive had a few things on my computer for a while, I did the dragonfly, tiki, snow plow, and this, another anon did shape studys, skull study. then one random anon did the tree last thread.

I don't have anything else so looking at that clothing request now.

>>2205003
problem with this is any kind of clothing implies human form, and that's difficult for a beginner.
not saying we shouldn't, just pointing out that issue.
maybe one piece of clothing might be better.

>>2205003
I don't think I can do this, looked for an hour, didn't find anything that stood out.

>>2205057
Its ok, just dont wait to long with new thread.

>>2205076
if someone else can find an appropriate image they can make the new thread with it, im not persistently trying to be the op or anything, I only do it cos no one ones has and threads are dying.

NEW THREAD:


>>2205107


>>2205107


>>2205107

>>2204978
it looks little bit overkilld now, but thats what you get if you pain opver it again.

but it surely looks less flat!

>>2204306
even colorblind people can sample the colors

>>2199292
Move the bottom nipple more to the right dude. Its terrible!

>>2205212
I meant left

>>2204330
Start by drawing facial features. Then draw an actual body like, you know, arms and stuff.. But seriously though it lacks any motion so I would suggest drawing human anatomy and learning the basics. The alternative would be killing yourself. Also, you can do a lot just making the headphone more 3D. Just draw a layer extra at the left side, make it less of a jew the nosebridge is to big unless that's what you where going for then gratz you aced it. Learn anatomy though. Just learn anatomy..

Does anyone know any good online lesson things? I'm willing to pay a decent amount if it's good.