/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2191606
that picture is great. but that's a clear example of 3 point perspective.

curvilinear perspective is just a gimmick. unless you're painting inside an sphere, or in VR you WILL have some kind of deformation.

I want to suck Kim Jung Gi's dick.

>>2191627
is there a way to learn perspective distortion, then, without studying 5pt?

I don't have many guides that I can find so I'm just gonna post shit I like

>>2191631
I'd say the most rational way is to learn some 3d modeling software and use it as a guide. blender can do that easily.
also, this guy knows a lot, but it's 100% focused on traditional media, and not a fan of curvilinear.
http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/perspect5.html#curvilinear

>>2191606
since we're talking about perspective, scope guy should be a giant or the girl a dwarf to look like that with a telephoto lens

>>2191637
I'll probably go with z-brush since I have resources for it. Someone said this to me not to long ago, so this is very encouraging advice!

nice link too. I'll give it a good read.

>>2191633
me laying on the ground fapping about to be caught

>>2191648
>fapping to mado
>ever

there are some girls that you just don't think of with an impure mind, anon.

>>2191606
New to perspective coming from anatomy
What's my go-to quick exercise for perspective, like what gesture is to figure drawing?
I've heard some people say drawing cubes in different views and in different perspectives. Are these, like, perfectly measured cubes or eyeballed?

>>2191663
Would also like to know this

>>2191663
PLEASE RESPOND /ic/!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>2191631
draw big and get smaller, it will look good with experience

>>2191663
>>2191663
I've been looking for a site with figure drawing but from top and bottom view for a while now, with the same intent as you, with no luck sadly

>>2191663
>What's my go-to quick exercise for perspective
I am trying to learn perspective and scenery now too so i don't know if this works - I literally just started 3 days ago, but I am drawing movie frames with different camera angles. I box out the big shapes in perspective, and then I am spending prob 15-20min filling in details, but you could probably gesture the frame in a couple minutes.

I get really bored with plain "box" exercises so I picked an interesting movie that I don't mind looking at frame by frame. Here are today's frames - bear with me I'm still trying out a bunch of stuff.

>>2191719
mah nigga

you just game me a great idea, I even have that movie downloaded in 1080p

>>2191719
Love this idea!

>>2191722
>>2191725
mad max is actually pretty good because the cars break down into simple boxes and cylinders, and there is a lot of scene clutter so there are a lot of data points to study.

Let me know if you can think of any similar training movies - I'm always looking for a distraction

http://vocaroo.com/i/s11LCGi1kpiL

>>2191729
>>2191729
at this right moment I also have sucker punch and kill la kill in my laptop, you should check them out if you didn't

>>2191737
Not that guy, but I remember Sucker Punch having some really dynamic shots, I'll have to give that one another watch.

>>2191734
B-but /ic/ told me that u have to grind 10-point perspective for 5 months before u start with anything else!!!!!

But seriously, listen to this guy, he has the right idea.

>>2191734
sexy voice, also true

>>2191758
Is Prison School a weekly release? I've seen more skill and effort put into its individual pages (the few I've seen, that is) than entire chapters of other weekly released series.

>>2191729
I'm probably going down the sci-fi route since I want to draw spaceships and their interior. I'll tell you how it went.

>>2191606
>>2191719

I'd ask if you can pass the 12 cube test as well. A lot of people seem to try these more complicated perspective exercises before they have really mastered drawing primitives.

(1) Draw 6 cube primitives from your imagination. They need to be 100% accurate to what you imagined. You should have as much variety as possible in dimensions and angle of viewpoint.

(2) Take the last cube you drew and draw it six more times from varying viewpoints keeping the volume and dimensions consistent.

I've been practicing a good deal and I'm still unable to completely the consistent volume challenge. Not that you need to to do this before doing these other exercises. But being able to definitely gives you some real mastery of the primitives.

Is there an easy way to draw a perfect cube in any perspective? I've read Norling but he doesn't cover it.

i started practicing this a while ago. though it wasn't for perspective, it was for practicing how to put things in empty space and making up backgrounds. my sense is still pretty bad, and it often comes out flatter than i want to.
any advice?

>>2191820
These are really nice. The only ones that really looks flat are the bus stop and cat one. Did you read stuff on perspective/environment before-hand? I'm curious about where you started in terms of perspective because I wanna be to build backgrounds like this.

>>2191837
most of it is probably norling. though even after reading it i still couldn't really wrap my head around it. (i'll need to reread it sometime soon)
just recently i made some small progress by realizing that it is ok to draw close to the horizon line. that opened up some possibilities for me.

if i had to give some tips: the horizon line is where all the heights are the same, this means if a characters shoulders are at the horizon line, all other characters of the same height, standing on the same ground will have their shoulders touched by the HL as well, no matter how far away they are.
using this, if you know how high a cupboard is and what kind of cupboards there are, you can make a better guess about how to place them. the same goes for houses, windows, cats, benches and stuff. knowing the sizes of things seems to play a big part.

i'm still learning though, and the results aren't super consistent. so really take my advice with a grain of salt.

>>2191852
>>2191837
this is a page before the previous one.
like i said, once you know the size of the bicycle, you can make better guesses about it's placement.
i was planning to learn more objects this way.

>>2191855
>>2191852
>the horizon line is where all the heights are the same
Holy shit, I never noticed this. I'll definitely make use of that and the relative-size thing. Seeing the progress from the previous page to the other one is legit motivational. Thanks anon!

>>2191642
Wait, Daphne isn't in the spotlight. Would shining a light in front of something like that also brighten it?

>>2191881
no problem.
another tip about the HL: the HL often represents the height of your viewpoint as well, you can think of it as the height of your camera or your eyes. though it's only the case when the direction you are looking at is parallel to the ground (!).

imagine holding the camera at a standing persons shoulder level. in the image, that's where the horizon line will be, meaning most heads will be above the HL while a kid's head might be below. see for example that really small panel next to the bus stop one in >>2191820
though again, take my advice with a grain of salt. there may be more effective ways to think about this.

>>2191855
>>2191820
what would you recommend in making decent compositions? love the way they look btw

>>2191734
was this directed towards /ic/?

>>2191719

I've been doing this for John Woo's Face Off, I should do it again. :D

>>2191922
i dont think my compositions are anything special, but read "framed ink", it changed the way i view composition.

once you figure out how to properly wrangle designdoll and the camera mode, it's cheat tier: god for perspective and lense effects on the human body

pretty much the only thing it lacks is a better-handled fisheye camera.

>>2191734
you got the right idea

Does anyone have any tips for populating environments with figures? I find that I draw them so stiffly when trying to work them into perspective as opposed to doing it from life or without bg.

>>2192538
>try to open program
>crashes

Wow what a piece of shit lol


Thanks for wasting my time.

>>2192538
But that's cheating.

>>2192594
Digital art is cheating already anon

>>2191734
some real shit
you really should work towards being able to eyeball it and just get it right, the only time you really should need to put down lines is when you're legit confused and don't know where to go from

>>2191765
it's weekly, but the amount of time he has to put into chapters varies it would seem, judging by the variable quality of each chapter

>>2192538
>>2192538

I've really been loving design doll.

However I'm really sick of having to constantly fix the default proportions of the figure. Are there models you can load/download that are realistically proportioned? Would that be a paid feature?

>>2192627
saving the settings/loading saves is a premium feature

>>2192628
>saving the settings/loading saves is a premium feature

>>2192631
Don't like capitalism? Try North Korea.

>>2192632
>heheheh....yessss goyim spend more shekels on silver gold and platinum features! Pay no attention to life you NEED 3d programs to help you figure draw good goy!

>>2192644
You think they should just give the program they worked on for god knows how many months for free?

It's funny coming from artists, who keep complaining about people underpaying them / asking for free work.

>>2192646
nah, see, it's only artists who've actually put work into acquiring skill who care about how their work and other's is devalued

>>2191890
Just tested it with my galaxy s5 flashlight. It appears it wouldn't make what is behind it brighter. Maybe with a really bright light it would make a visual difference. That flashlight certainly would not though.

>>2191729
Star Trek into darkness was disappointing, not many large shots with both the spaceship and the characters, or when it happens it's on the bridge and that's not what I was looking for.

Next I'm going to do Star Wars.

>>2192699
I was thinking some of the city chase scenes in the first half of the new total recall (2012) had some simple boxes

Also, I was considering 300 for action poses

Try not to waste too much time collecting refs :P

>>2192715
>>2192715
>>2192715
>>2192715
now I try to use a ref whenever I find it, and after I get bored of it I search for another one

that way I don't loose to much time with getting a certain number of refs, which I might even end up not using, and I also rest my hand between drawings while I search for refs

telling this maybe others find it useful

>>2192628

I hope I don't sound like a complete a-hole saying this; but you could write down the features before closing for the day. It's a really minor thing that isn't a fix, but it's the best you can do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqqj07WnQqs

Here's a Perspective Editor I translated from Japanese to English (has the ability to put in custom lines, grids, people, various lenses like fish-eye, etc):

https://googledrive.com/host/0B0Ci9HMhQ6NIUWFiS19PNlBuVW8

Some other worthy mentions:
- EasyRuler, http://www3.airnet.ne.jp/opa-opa/EasyRuler/overview.html
- Carapace, http://epicgames.com/community/2012/11/free-art-tool-released-thanks-to-epic-friday/

>>2192875
Almost forgot..

Key shortcuts:
M - Switch to the 'move' mode.
R - Switch to the 'rotate' mode.
L - Switch to the 'draw' mode.
Z - Undo.
Y - Redo.

Seems like a good a place to ask as any.

Can I get by in Scott Robertson's "How to Draw" with only digital implements or am I really going to have to fucking go out and get that divider/circle template shit?

>>2192894
You don't need any of that anyway. I freehanded the whole thing. Besides, you're on a fucking computer and have an ellipse tool and ruler for checking shit if need be.

>>2192899
You can also cheat when making odd numbered divisions and do one more than you need and then erase the last one. Measuring is for engineers.

>>2191606
Jesus christ thats a great fucking picture.
Holy shit something clicks with me on this one

>>2192875
Cool! Thanks!

>>2191796
You should be able to eyeball it.

>>2191796
If thou must, but it's not necessarily easy.

>>2192899
Gotcha, thanks. Technical drawing burned me out in high school, wasn't looking forward to more of that shit.

>>2192961
I was never much for technical drawing, but have grown to like some of it just because of how easy it is compared to drawing naked people.

The ellipse tool can be your friend, or it can be a cunt. It's good for cleaning up your circles by drawing over it, but you usually don't need it much. That and the square tool are great for shit like >>2192955 or those days you just can't even draw an okay circle.

>>2192875
Was having trouble with this a while back cause of the language, so big thanks man.

>>2192979
>>2192945
You're welcome!

hmm, I found drawing in perspective a little more easy after I started repeating myself, at each subject I draw, where is compared to the view point, e.g. I am seeing from below... below... below...

Can anybody post timelapses from good artists?

>>2192875

Much appreciated, dude! Asides from sketchup, this thing is really helping me understand perspective in a practical sense as opposed to a "Draw a box in empty space" sense.

>>2191642
>drawing scoob's dick

>>2191890
That is a good fucking question

>>2195100

That is fan art

>>2191890
reflected light from the flashlight hitting the wall, but it does seem a little overbearing

>>2191606

did you watch that video on youtube with kim jung gi where he explains his tecnique? It really opened my eyes.

>>2198139
link please.

>>2198150
/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

>>2198151
XD

>>2198150

https://youtu.be/VUFGe-4k6dU?list=FLMSSSCV7u4IP1g3GFdnX3eg&t=1433

>>2198150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFGe-4k6dU&t=1434

>>2198584
>Video blocked because it could contain music from UMG
I know how to use a proxy, but this is all kinds of stupid.

>>2198634

It's stupid especially because they talk the whole time and there is a little bit of music only at the end when the video is over.

>>2192955

>using this instead of just using an ellipse

kekk

>>2191734
Great advice anon. Thanks.

>>2191663

Would it not be just drawing basic shapes in perspective?

>>2192631
>>2192644

Then don't fucking buy it. Just don't be surprised that people spent their time making a functional program hoping for compensation.

What are some good books for learning to draw perspective? I was going to buy "Perspective made easy" by Ernest R. Norling but I'd like to hear other recommendations first...

>>2192628
>$79 for a glorified 3D Custom Girl
What the god damn fuck? It's neat but not $79 neat. I'd pay $30 max.

>>2200974
https://archive.org/details/rulesexamplesofp00pozz

Here you go.