/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2185794
start a pareon

Porn

>>2185799

What for. A couple of people might join out of pity and stick around for a month or two, giving me 2-5$ a month. Might aswel sit outside my house panhandling and for an hour and make double that amount.

Do I just kill myself?

shitpost at /ic/ talking about how worthless the pursuing of art.

>>2185794
ahhahaah what? you really did that? bro here we are all ironic, no one loses time with this pussy ass gay artistic shit, it's just memes
hahahaa lmao at you m8

>>2185794

Worthless? How so?

Were you trying to learn how to paint and instead you spent 3 years as a TV repairman?

Everything you learn can be put to good use, even if it's not a "technique", you could use it to further your knowledge and in turn the quality of your work.

quit whining and git gud or quit whining and go pursue something else

either way quit whining

>>2185801

I'm borderline asexual.

>>2185804
On it.

>>2185806
Yeah I actually did that.

>>2185807
Worthless in the sense that nobody gives a shit how good you can paint, design, draw, photatoebash. It's a fucking joke. A circus trick. Ugly crackwhores who look like zombies make more money sucking dick behind gas stations than any artist except for a handful of incredibly lucky individuals who got to where they are through chance and nepotism.

>>2185808
I need this right now.

>>2185815
>except for a handful of incredibly lucky individuals who got to where they are through chance and nepotism.
sounds like you kinda suck and are jealous of successful artists. work harder.

>>2185815
>Worthless in the sense that nobody gives a shit how good you can paint
you don't do art so others can say omg anooooooon u so goooood take muh money
no fuck off
you didn't understand anything in these years
throw in the bin your drawing material and suck my anal ballz

>>2185815
Oh. I see. Here I thought you were asking me what my next step was, but you're actually asking me to fix your life for you.

Well, too bad about your retard life, aspie.

OP, you are pathetic.

I wish I had known sooner. I was so naive. To me it made sense how creating beautiful art is a skill that has value, since it takes time to acquire it. It just seemed logical.

Have anons killed themselves on /ic/ before? I might become the first one.

>>2185815
>I'm borderline asexual.
you mean you can't get any

>>2185832

dude, fucking chill out, you're having a bad day.

>>2185832
so do it and stop whining about your life.

>>2185832
study design and austrian economics and you will be back to play real world

>>2185815
suck dick behind gas stations

>>2185845
>austrian economis
>real world
sure

cut off your ear

>>2185818

Of course I am. Then again I'm not because they didn't do anything to become successful other than spend a lot of time on facebook and become incredibly lucky.

>>2185819

I didn't. I just thought that it was a natural progression for that to happen. Hand over your anal ballz and I'll munch on them.

>>2185828

Not asking for anything. Just venting. And I'm not an aspie.

>>2185830

No, I am Patrick

>>2185835

Could get plenty.

>>2185836
>>2185839
>>2185845

Fuck. It's all shit anyway, studying something different won't help. It would be the equivalent of admitting failure infront of everyone whom I told 'you'll see how much money I'll be making when I'm a good artist! You just wait!'.

>>2185847

Not sure how that would help.

>>2185873
>they didn't do anything to become successful other than spend a lot of time on facebook and become incredibly lucky.
you are so jelly m8
maybe just admit there are people out there who work harder than you, are better than you, more creative than you, and deserve the acclaim that resent them for?

>>2185849
singapour is laughing hard, oh, and it's capital of concept art, guess y

>>2185873
fucking idiot, its not about studying something different, learning design methods and learning what is value of things open the door for you to start being emphatic so you can do what rest of the world might find userful, interesting or whatever
can you reach art mastery and lack clients? of course, that would be natural, because what matters is the utilities you can solve not just your skills

Once again - some loser on /ic/ doesn't understand how entrepreneurial a career in art & design is.

>a handful of incredibly lucky individuals who got to where they are through chance and nepotism.

Luck has little to do with it. People get work because they try very hard to get work. Sitting around doing nothing, or occasionally posting on social media sites will get you nowhere.

When will you idiots learn?

>>2185873
>And I'm not an aspie.
think again

>>2185794
>3 years
Try 18 years.
I'm better at online games than all these pro gamer nerds but I've got a bland as fuck personality and borderline autism so I can't make anything out of it.

>>2185925
>'you'll see how much money I'll be making when I'm a good artist! You just wait!'
Take this as an important lesson in humility and not talking out of your ass.

>>2185929
What? I wasn't any of the guys you were talking to, I'm just suggesting you actually are an aspie

>>2185997
Meant to quote>>2185873

Maybe I'm the aspie

>>2185927

bullshit. thats just the excuse you tell yourself so you dont have to do anything.

much easier to make excuses than to go up against pro gamers and say 'i lost'.

seriously, knock it off.

>>2185794
I dont understand you if you feel that its so worthless and shitty pay why would you train it in first place? Also if you are really gud you will find work and you can choose from:

>Digital illustration
>Concept Art
>Tatooing
>Comic Books
>Fine Art
>Storyboarding
>2d flash games (dont laugh you can sell small flash games for 3-10k and doing art for them takes 1-2 weeks because simple cartoon style sells best and coding is easy)

All of this is for you to choose if you are really good and of course you start low and go higher with pay you just acquired your "art license" and start working. There is a bigger problem your view is doom and gloom, sour and dour.

>I got gud where is my golden crown and red carpet

You start drawing furry porn, stupid flavor of the month bullshit, or fanart of established characters other people made for money.

Never doubt the depth of the wallet of a man who has his dick out or fans of cartoons.

>>2185832
>To me it made sense how creating beautiful art is a skill that has value

Well, it does have value. You just don't have that skill. Are you at the point where you just block out reality and imagine the thousands of professional artists don't exist?

I mean, I get it, you're frustrated because you didn't make it, but that is your problem. YOU didn't make it. There are countless of artists who did.

>>2185815
>Worthless in the sense that nobody gives a shit how good you can paint, design, draw, photatoebash. It's a fucking joke

I don't do art for attention or money, you worthless faggot. I am already rather decent at computer science so I can get freelance jobs easily. Art is more than what physical shit you get from it. Those 3 years meant nothing if you thing that is all art is lol.

>>2185815
i mean the way life seems to you atm you might as well kill yourself

>>2185794
you could always just teach art classes

>>2185802
yeah

well you have two options.if you work hard for another 2-5 years you may be half as gud as me (seriously I dwarf all these faggots OP) and get a concept design job, or quit an already competitive market and work at fecking Arby's or some shit

>>2185873
>everyone whom I told 'you'll see how much money I'll be making when I'm a good artist! You just wait!'

Good job. Seriously though, if you got into art for the money and are now pissed that it's not as lucrative as you hoped then yes, you've utterly wasted your time.

everyone who says this shit turns out to be some dunning kruger piece of shit who thinks the only reason they're not getting hired is that it's literally impossible and that all the success stories out there are made up

where do you go? up. Further. in some fucking direction, faggot. Further in art, further in some other career, anything. Do something with your shitty life, or not, it's not our problem that you expected the world to be handed to you on a platter.

get off 4chan and make art is the answer

Fun thread we got here.

>>2186469
>dunning kruger

jesus, sounds like ic learned a new word. it's getting as bad as 'projecting' used to be.

>>2185873
> It would be the equivalent of admitting failure infront of everyone whom I told 'you'll see how much money I'll be making when I'm a good artist! You just wait!'.

Who says that to people!? Jesus christ, you deserve failure.

You were a pussy for saying that, and you're still a pussy for being afraid of what people will think when you don't live up to it.

If you think a highly trained skill is useless, then you are bad at finding opportunity. Honestly, if you want to make anything more than a hobby, then it is up to you to find its usefulness. You could be really good at building tiny houses and then end up being dumb enough to just not figure you can sell them as bird houses and die poor.

Just try and put some effort into finding the nice and/or variety of needs your skills can be used for. From here on it's going to take some strategy and clever thinking to keep yourself viable.

>>2185794


formalism has been a dead for over 100 years.

It's time to work on your theory.

90% of being "successful" at anything is entrepreneurship. Learn how to network, create a product that has demand and sell yourself, and the money will come.

Stop thinking of yourself as an "artist". You are a a graphic designer, a portrait artist, a tattoo artist, a landscape painter, a caricaturist, a mural maker, a webcomic cartoonist, etc. There are plenty of avenues you can take with this skill set that will land you a modestly comfortable living, people do it every day. You just have to get *creative* you idiot. Shouldn't be that hard for a goddamn artist.

If you wanted a clean exchange of time for money, you should have gotten a computer science degree.

>>2185794
>not willing to suffer for his art

Go watch the documentary "drew".

If you don't wanna draw, just don't.

>>2185896
>People get work because they try very hard to get work.
>Sitting around doing nothing, or occasionally posting on social media sites will get you nowhere.
That's true enough. Is success GUARANTEED, though? Like, if you work very hard, and sincerely try to be the very best artist you can be, and aggressively market yourself, is it still possible to get nowhere?
To really get a picture of how little or much luck matters, you'll have to look for the people who do everything "right", but still fail. It's easy to find success stories, but they're not statistically meaningful.

>>2188005
Nothing is guaranteed, you can fucking die in a grisly car accident tomorrow. It's no use worrying about it, if it's what you really wanna do then you'll find a way to fucking do it.

Art is something you can usually only do if you're born in the right place, at the right time, to the right parents and with the right sense of business.
In the old days, artists just had to focus on becoming the best. Now even bad artist wannebees can get jobs if they socialize enough. All of this while the market is further narrowed because every retard with a pencil and oil paints think they too are an artist.

I mean, check like 98% of the wankers on artrenewal.org. Absolute shite tier when compared to the Russians. But they live in a nice place, so they can live their dream.

They'll be completely forgotten in a 100 years, but they can live life as an artist.

So no, no amount of gittin gud will facilitate your job in art. Otherwise you'd all be learning Russian/Chinese by now.

Bad construction, bad colours, bad composition. Americans/Europeans just make "product" or modernistic shite.

So yes, you have wasted 3 years of your life if you want to turn it into a job unless you're a business sociopath.

Trust me, go into any other job and you will find that skill gets you ahead. Except in art.

I know you Jeff Watts fancunts will disagree with me, but that's okay. His colours are shit and his program produces shit.
Same with Laafa, Grand Central Academy, Florence Academy, Angel Academy and all these other moneytraps for the weak of intellect.

Ow, and in case you doubt my words in my post:
>>2188091
I actually teach at one of these shitschools. Even the teachers have a huge hardon for the Russian drawings and desperately want to know how they do it.
We just have the programs to extract as much money from your retarded artdreams as we can.
So take my advice or don't, I'll gladly take your money and leave you with nothing substantial.

>>2188096
>Russian drawings and desperately want to know how they do it
I want to know how they do it, too.

>>2188168

Just go to Russia then. But the basic premise is, in America they try and analyse what's before them. This constantly changes + they paint with artificial light.
So the results are bad.

In Russia they learn the first few years to understand from busts with very intricate schematics. They have schematics for everything, I've seen over 80 for just an eye.

Learning this outside of Russia however is problematic. They don't like sharing their knowledge with us. Not to mention they're revolted by the shit art the current ateliers produce, so they don't want to help "polish a turd."
And I can't blame em for that. Hell look at the works of Lipking, Cesar Santos and Teresa Oaxaca. Why would you want to help out people so full of themselves?
Listened to that Santos speak, dear christ so much ego.

>>2185815
you're problem is you're doing art for other people's approval when you should be working for your own approval 'cause it's the only one that matters when you're like old and shit- focus on yourself and not what people think of you

i need to take my own advice, kinda have the same problem except i don't think learning art skills is totally worthless, the opposite actually

>>2188096
What's an example of one of these Russian paintings? I'm Russian but I grew up in America and I have no idea.

>>2189136

Haven't really found much online(they don't like the internet a lot), your best bet is to just go to Glazunov or repin academy and take a look yourself. Then compare it with the stuff made at Watts atelier or GCA and you'll know enough.
Besides, it's pointless telling you it exists unless you actually also go there to learn.

>>2189157
Oh, I think I see. The watts atelier stuff seems a bit more cartoony in some way, I can't put my finger on it.

>>2189157
The instructors speak russian don't they?

>>2189171 Jeff Watts is an illustrator, not a fine artist. + painting with artificial light produces candy colours. Most people have been to his place for so long they've grown blind to it. Or they want to defend it at all costs. Because otherwise they'd have to admit it's just not that good. In Russia and China they still have proper fine-art teachers. I don't like teaching this hogwash myself, but it pays the bills very nicely. And I get to keep painting and drawing all the time. Just sucks for my students, but I sure as hell ain't going to tell them in person.

>>2189175 yes.

>>2186515

Ha, I spent maybe 10 minutes looking through the thread and wondering which point is worth replying to, and which are just defeatist bits of temporary disillusionment.

>>2185873
>>2188091
>>2188096

I don't understand, you're so focused on "gettin gud" and the masters of the past that you can't find any enjoyment in your own work? That you won't be happy unless you're the best of all time and because you can't go to Russia or China that's no longer an option? There's so much useless mysticism behind improving your work and what makes a great artist, so many of y'all just whip yourself out of despair at your situation, convincing yourselves of why it's no longer possible for you.

Great artwork is just something worth saying, said clearly. All of it. Without technical skill, it's great intention muddled by lack of fluency and direction in technique, drawing and composition. Without an experience, story or emotion it's just a directionless technical exercise with grand execution. Both of these things can be sought with hard work - whether or not it's something too uncomfortable for you to seek is up to you.

Yes, the Russian masters were amazing artists, but the source material remains unchanged - human experience, the human body, landscapes. See what they saw, and how they translated it, and let it be exciting for you to follow down that path and make your own observations fit to you. All the beautiful work of the past is your legacy, any artist can be your mentor and teacher if you've the ability to set yourself aside and really look at their work, at their sketches. Not just seeing brushwork, or the very singular solutions to the needs of the picture, but actually looking at the why of things. Look at decisions made, look at how it deviates from the source material, look at how it benefits that special thing to be said in the piece, and learn. It's that simple.

>>2189216

I'm not OP, I was just discussing the state of education in America and Europe. The ateliers being of shite quality.

And "Great artwork is just something worth saying, said clearly. All of it. Without technical skill" just sounds like hippy bullshit to me. We have enough of those in the contemporary academies. Making stuff nobody gives a fuck about.

>>2189230

I don't have any personal experience with American and European ateliers, so I suppose I can't speak on it. It does seem dangerous to be taught how to see by another, more skilled artist exclusively, though it's the responsibility of the student to train himself in tandem.

Also, if you quote it and cut it off mid-sentence then it does seem like hippy bullshit, but you're arguing against a statement that doesn't exist on its own. Still, it does make me want to get my hands on those Repin academy books, or that chinese book on Serov's drawings.

>>2189216
Massive penis in the thumbnail.

>>2185794
This is the reason why I draw. I spent the last 4 years of my life trying to be a "badass DJ". Then it got to the point where any 19 year old with a laptop and a huge song library could call themslves a "DJ".

Now I've been drawing seriously for a year so that I can create original content and not just be a glorified jukebox with an inflated ego attached to it.

>>2189267
wow

>>2188091
>Absolute shite tier when compared to the Russians
Topkek.
Aбcoлютнyю хyйню нeceшь. Этoт зaбyгopный дpoч нa pyccкий aкaдeм выглядит пpocтo cмeшным. И Peпкa, и Cтpoгaнoвкa - этo тaкoй жe oтcoc дeнeг c диcкpиминaциeй yчeникoв, кaк и нa зaпaдe. Hopмaльныe peбятa oттyдa oхoдят co втopых-тpeтьих кypcoв.
Don't believe his lie about Russian art schools

>>2189821

what part was a lie?

>>2185794

>utterly worthless

In the grand scale of things, isn't everything utterly worthless?

>>2185794
Get a retail job, start lifting, make facebook account, go back to uni, make friends.

>>2190172

fuck no, FUCK no, fuckkkk no, no, and no. all of that is worthless and a waste of time and energy.

>>2190200
You mean to tell me that having a life is a greater waste of time and energy than drawing? I proposed solutions to make money, get education to get more money, become social so you can get a gf and job connections. You'd rather sit alone in your room drawing doodles all day? How old are you, seriously. Cause I've been there, done that.

>>2190273
Anon, people that make these threads aren't looking to improve their art or themselves, they just want to wank and roll around in their self pity rather than actually take the necessary to improve their lives.

> implying I'm not just doing this as q hobby

I'm not dumb enough to actually pursue a career in art tbh

>>2186413
>thus perpetuating the vicious cycle