/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

One more

Let's do this

>>2180198
This is pretty shitty ref, I wouldn't study it as you might pick up some bad habits or incorrect understandings of the forms.

>>2180154
i love bridgman so much but that skull is like applicable to like 2% of the population, i don't want to go too much into detail but basically don't apply it to a woman or to a man that isn't northern european because it'll look super weird

>>2180200
I agree, plus the lighting angles are pretty shitty

>>2180152
>tumblr nose 101

>>2180212
>structurally sound noses, slightly stylized shapes, some even traced directly from photo refs, not a hint of red color
>hurrr tumblr nose xD

This meme needs to stop.

I have some stuff, lemme dump

Does anyone have tips for hair?

I usually feel really good about a drawing until I get to hair. I have no idea how to structure it and it frustrates me. I don't even know where to start.

>>2180331

Study Leyendecker

>>2180306
awesome reference, do you have more similar?

Anyone have something on crosshatching?

I'm having a had time looking for the Z-axis when it comes to constructing the sphere for a head. Is there a step that I'm missing to do this?

>>2181092
Talent or experience.

>>2180345
HOW

>>2180228
>butthurt Tumblerina

>>2180228
>the nose on the dumblr guy at the top looks nothing like the real noses
>thinking dumblr noses aren't disgusting and lazy
Dumblr posters need to stop.

>>2181124
leyendecker has really solid draftsmanship and color. you can study his color theory or his draftsmanship, or both.

what makes him especially great to study is how he simplifies the body's curves into harder lines and edges, and that you can oftentimes see the separate brush strokes in his work, which cues you into his process.

>>2181128
>step 1
>start drawing some lines

She can't be serious

DUMPING MORE

>>2180228
>structurally sound noses
>slightly stylized
>tumblr
That's lazy symbol drawing. Noses are very complex and should be learnt correctly prior to stylisation and abstraction.

>>2181128
>>2181139
These don't even explain the forms and the structure of the lips at all.
>>2182029
>>2182032
Same here, but with hair. It just goes straight into detailed rendering without laying down solid forms and base values. Think of hair as planes just like any other part of an image, then detail it once the forms are believable, otherwise it looks like a flat mess.

>>2182086
>It just goes straight into detailed rendering without laying down solid forms and base values
Fuck I didn't even notice. But is it good rendering advice?

>>2182107
Seems pretty legit, I'm currently applying this way of rendering ontop of some Loomis construction

>>2182086
>hair tied up to expose nape
>pale, delicate complexion
>sublime features, cute as fuck eyelashes
>strawberries and adding milk after the cereal
>hair bow on top of it all
my fucking dick holyshit

>>2182240
You forgot
>horrible skin condition
>hairy as fuck arms

>>2182240
You forgot
>pre-pubescent

>>2182257
>implying

>>2180755
until you asked I had none but I wiggled myself through some chinese shit and found this site with the whole set
yunpan.cn/Qh8GGkFEMAFrs
password is 5f07
then just rightclick that folder und press the only button that appears and it should download the folder

>>2182039
this was suposed to be a portrait thread, but thank you anyway, this will be helpfull

>>2182323
>all in Chinese
Is this legit?

>>2182240
mai kellog waifu

>>2180228

Hey, I've been having quite a problem with open mouths at various angles for awhile now. They always trip me up (usually right down to construction) and I was hoping for some references if you guys had any in regards to it. Thanks.

>>2180151
Ethnicities pls
I can only draw caucasian people and offensive niggers and chin chonks

is it just me or.... shouldn't portraits be fucking easy to do? we look at faces all the time, and if you're using a photo reference it's just a matter of looking at the picture and copying it.

>>2184393
You only need those + cute asian girls, so get to work on the latter and you'll be ok.

>>2184393
Even Tumblesbians can only draw offensive niggers, they always opt for the rubber lips and widest noses... come to think of it maybe niggers are just ugly.

>>2184950
If it's easy for you... then good for you my friend. But it sure ain't for me...
>tfw shading hair

>>2184950
I think once you understand the complexity of the human body, you will learn that everything is just as hard. You have to analyse so much and learn so much about anatomy and perspective, it's fucking unbelievable.

Even straight up copying is extremely hard once the angles go beyond full frontal and 3/4, everything after that, you need to either measure the shit out of, or know the anatomy and see what the face is made of.

>>2184950

That's part of the problem. We look at faces all the fucking time. It's very easy for somebody to notice when something is off about a portrait because we're wired for facial recognition.

>>2184975

Nothing against you anon, but I fucking hate the term 'shading'. It's become a blanket that covers everything from value gradation to texture to edge control.

The correct word for what you're talking about is rendering. When you first draw the basic construction lines of a subject, that's sketching. Going from a sketch to a finished drawing is done by rendering the detail, which is a multi step process that involves a lot of variables you have to keep in mind. These variables include but are not limited to, light source direction and intensity, reflectivity levels of the subject and surrounding areas, the different steps for achieving texture, etc.

When one draws a fully rendered piece, they make a blueprint of sketch, they work out the variables, and they build up the image with layers of details and markings until the desired effects are achieved. In the same way you have to lay the foundation of a house before you build walls, and the walls come before the roof trusses, and the roof itself comes even later, with the wiring and plumbing and drywall being the last considerations, you have to be the architect of your artwork for every step, make sure the walls fit the foundation, don't build a roof then try to fit the foundation underneath, and so on.

To do this you practice intensely with every step. You start with getting your blueprint making process so it's comfortable and fast. Then you work on getting confident laying a foundation. Once you can make a sketch and build up the basic forms and values, you can move upwards and begin making more and more finished pieces until you can efficiently and happily draw finished pieces in one sitting, you can identify future errors based on tiny mistakes you make in the foundation, and your finished product not only satisfies you but also anyone you may happen to be selling it to.

This goes way beyond your casual word choice of course, just felt like ranting a bit. Have a good day anon.

>>2180298
Anyone has more refs about how shadows on faces change with light source?

>>2184950
The problem is that we look at them all the time, so the slightest bit that's off is easily noticed.

>>2187676
Yeah, it's called a mirror. Or look up the "planes of the face" if you want a real answer.

>>2187555
>a brush made out of dicks..
truly there are no excuses.