/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

bonus material cos it has strong perspective.
ignore the ruler.

repost, cos end of thread. Just some crit on this. I'm trying to learn to choose colours by eye and not use colour picker/eye drop tool..

>>2160087
Tried to go out of my element for gesture studies and just ended up being shit throughout. It sucks.

>>2159183
Ya, have no grasp on hands or feet but plan on changing that today.

Reposting from the old thread. Can I get some critique? I messed up a lot.

>>2160087
Here's a stylized drawing of a witch. Thoughts?

>>2160249
Sorry bout that. Posting on a phone. I hope this one is turnt. If it's not, Fuq it

>>2159564
Was fun, but I need advice on colouring monochrome drawing, colours just look off no matter how I edit them. Moving on.

though it would be easier, 1hour, no brush pressure, no color picker

thanks for your help in last thread

I think I'm pretty much done with him

>>2159861 That's an issue I'm struggling with right now, but I'm trying to work on it. thinking about how the shadows would cast around a round object like with the spikes on his shoulder. thank you for your help

>>2159934 I lowered the value on his claw now, hopefully it pops much more.

any last corrections you guys think I need to make before I lay this one to rest?

Literally my first attempt with photoshop ever. Got a long way to go...

>>2160338
It may not be my position to say but I think your posting in the wrong thread

>>2156739
its not perfect but your already operating at a level above a bunch of people in there. And well above most in here. I am just a beginner in this thread, so I dont feel like i can graduate you myself, but people are gonna agree with me that your graduate lvl

>>2160258
darker dark values

>>2160317
well those are some nice colours, you picked well. my only crit would be your edges are a bit fuzzy, I think if you had a strong linework underlay
the overall form would have been stronger.

Thanks for making the effort anon.

>>2160119
My, bad. By "fast" I meant just looking at a pose and scratching in lines fast without thinking. Quick gesture studies(30sec-2min) help a lot. Observe a pose/figure, plan your lines then lay them down.

Looks like I have inability to draw sketches/gestures with thin brushes. It's feels very artificial and "random" on Intuos M without 150+ zoom.
And Vilppu's "Drawing Manual - Ch.08 - Using Anatomy Part One/Two" videos are disappointing. I hope his anatomy video course will be better.

how do i hair properly?
i can draw my head kinda ok, but hair is a mystery to me. i understand it has volume and such things, but i just don't get HOW to draw it.

>>2160455
Tried this after looking through another thread.

Damn it was hard, but it felt good to try and reach for something so extreme. I don't think I did a very good job. I also have some questions about foreshortening, especially for extreme views like this (worm's eye? I guess?). Is it the forms themselves that give us the feel of forshortening? Like how the lines of the various forms overlap as they come together? Is that how we explain to the viewer that an object is receding into the distance? Is it the subtle contours? The shading? I feel I sort of got some of the forms ok, but as a whole this doesn't look foreshortened to me at all and instead looks like I drew some person with some serious deformities. Any ideas / crit / directions you can point me towards? I'm also working through Dynamic Sketching and will have boxes in perspective to post up shortly. But those shapes are simple and easy to read... the human body is not. At least not for me.

http://the-ult.tumblr.com/tagged/my+art Here's what I've been working on. Not sure if I'm making progress.

After about a month of doing polygon people and thinking I'm getting better at applying depth to things, I try another request and I find that I can't really apply depth to it at all. What do?

>>2160657
Also I'm still symbol drawing faces (and probably other things too), and chicken scratching lines and etc.

I'm also aware that I should've made some lines of action; though originally I didn't think I'd need one for this since it was essentially just the upper half of the torso, which I still should've done anyways.

>>2160125
did you use a blur tool when making the background?

>>2160656

Hey I did it too. Really cool ref.

master's study of davinci. ~2 hours with a 4B pencil. c-coments?

>>2160697
Wow much better than my attempt, great job. You convincingly portrayed the foreshortening. I need to practice more.

what do people mean when they say "draw more"
I know one of them is to draw the same subject again and again so you can draw it faster and better the next time you do it. Is there anything else?

does anyone here have any tips on how to paint wet hair?

my initial idea is to basically just keep the hair as a the dark base color and then in certain spots pretty much blend it into almost complete white but idk

>>2160809
Yeah, if you are drawing it from reference practice drawing it without looking at the reference as well. Lots of people can get to a level where they are reasonably good at drawing from observation... being able to draw from imagination, that's where the real masters are able to show off. So practice drawing the same thing, but without looking at any reference and doing it only from memory and logic.

/ic/, I'm beyond frustrated. I want to practice artwork and get good but I don't know where to start. I only draw on a graphic tablet. What do?

>>2160843
Read the sticky.... also incoming saved advice from a few weeks back that I personally found super helpful. (pic related)

First time I do a study /paint with a tablet, some input, tips, hints or osmething would be well received.

Also, I was thinking about moving from PS to SAI, I read here that some people were amazed by how easy it was to draw there. I don't know if someone has a good sai tutorial they used to make this change (like for setting a good workflow, brush settings etc.)
>>2160125
Digging the background. You ignored the atmospheric perspective on the tail, and lacked values in general. The side of the shark has the same values as the underside, where there is clear contrast in original image.

>>2160874
I also feel like my brushwork is ass. Using a hard brush with opacity set to pressure as ppl says here, but it seems I need to lay a better color foundation before adding values

how is this looking so far? im thinking the lazers are too cheesy and distracting so i might take them out. ill post without the lazers next

>>2160878

>>2160878
You have like a month working on that, anon. Just drop it. Perspective is flat, composition looks odd, the light is not affecting those ships at all. Either start all over again or go study perspective then lighting.

>>2160881
>>2160878
you bit off more than you can chew right now. Try some still life studies from life

>>2160697
the statue's right calf should be about the length of the whole rest of the body. This is an extreme angle, so there's a huge difference in apparent size

>>2160885
ive beed working on other stuff and decided to finish this one. i havent done a lot of work on the ships yet. the biggest one is the only one ive really put any effort in. what are the perspective issues besides the rocks being on one plane?

>>2160889
i think you're right. what are the main issues though?

im thinking about adding a couple layers of rocks to the bottom. would this help with flatness issue?

i was mostly trying to practice clouds/rocks/lighting

Question. Are there basic guidelines I can learn ? All the guidelines I see are so complicated. I'd like to start drawing bodies, the past month I have only been mastering facial features excluding the hair.also another question what keeps you fellow artists motivated ?

>>2160913
the fundamentals are the basic guidelines. being able to draw basic forms, understanding perspective, understanding light, understanding color. those are the fundamentals.

i find drawing fun. i draw stuff a lot. it's all mostly crap, but i enjoy drawing it. i study in order to someday make those drawings actually work and be interesting to other people. instead of them just being my poor attempts at conveying what i'm imagining.

>>2160913

I'm in your same position and LITERALLY checking this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF9C88xSxvY
I hope it helps.
I'd also like an experienced opinion on the methods of the video.

>>>2159233
I don't think I broke down the process far enough, but whatever.
Are you doing any sort of construction? If not you should be. Breaking down into basic shapes before building off on anything will get you results. The refining the base you build comes down to the knowledge of the subject you're drawing. The more you know, the farther you can take it.
Think about your shapes logically. Your drawing in perspective is not taking into account all the basic plains. Boxes are great, they'll help tons with keeping your angles consistent and figuring out what should be in view.
It looks like you're trying hard to keep your proportions consistent from body to body, but she looks short to me. If that's what your going for, then that's fine, and at least you're making conscious decisions. Just seems off to me for an averagely proportioned body.
Hope this helps.

>>2160926
Thanks, I'll check this out and and work with it. It seems simplistic enough.

>>2160927
good god...... if that is your work anon thanks for posting. super inspirational.

>>2160874
i like your one the most, it looks like an evolving mudskipper

>>2160087
it makes me so sad-sad-sad that beginners just lern how to produce superficial airportart without concentraiting of thinking about nature first before getting the feeling and inspiration to establish a peace of art

>>2160969

Your spelling makes me sad-sad-sad.

no improvement thread so im posting this here since i am a shitty beginner

Yes, the hands are awful, I am working on them. But how is the pose so far? Where do I have to work on?

>>2160983
Fix the proportion in the mid area.

>>2160980
Learn the basics bro, it'll help with balance

>>2160980

Take what I say with a grain of salt since I'm still a beginner, but work in your proportions.
It still is a clear improvement so keep it up.

alright i added some more 'layers' to rocks to make them look deeper and i softened the edges of the back layer a bit. is this helping the problem of it looking to flat? and no i wasnt working on it the whole time since i posted last

>>2160988

ive been reading the right side of the brain book if thats what you mean by basics

>>2160995
he means the fundamentals. values, form, line, etc . look at the sticky sometime

>>2160997

Would drawbox be a good place to learn these fundamentals or would you recommend another resource

>>2161001
i would recommend the sticky. it has stuff for the absolute beginner then references to check out from there

>>2161005

The absolute beginner part 1 section says to do the book im already doing, or keys to drawing by bert dodson. It mentions grid drawing and negative space but doesn't mention any specific books on those besides these two? After that in part 2, it says do fun with a pencil by loomis, which I don't think im ready for yet.

>>2160683
Yeah. I just threw down a load of blues, gaussian blurred them then added monochromatic noise, to sort of replicate the grain seen on the original pic.

>>2160987
Is it better now?
I've been staring too long at this and now I can't find the mistakes.

>>2160874

Your basic lines are way off. I'd recommend starting with a basic outline sketch. Compare curves aor angles with ref as you're doing it. Only once you're happy with it start adding colours and value.
The body is too chunky, yet too short length ways.
The colours seem okay, but they are blended poorly.
Good effort.

>>2161012
>there are art books blah blah blah

well i've never done grid drawing once in my fucking life. ive heard of tracing having its advantages, especially in portrait/figure stuff.

and there really isnt much to say about negative space drawing. take a look at my pic (the left is mine and im the star destroyer guy from above, this is some of the stuff ive been working on instead of the other thing). you can use the space that in between the objects to check your forms and what not. you can see that mine is fairly close to ref.

anyways read loomis, i havent read fun with pencil but i did go through a lot of his head and hands book which would be helpful for you as youre obviously interest in portrait stuff. also read perspective made easy by norling. book of those are definitely within your abilities.

you need to work on your values big time too. i would just watch youtube videos explaining how they work and do exercises. its just something you need to practice and dont be afraid to push them

>>2161027

Thanks for the advice bro. I actually want to make comics but I thought that learning real life drawing skills and fundamentals would be better to learn before trying to draw unrealistic types of things and people

>>2161018
her upper arms are fucked up. with her left leg in front, her left shoulder should be the further back or else shes snapping her shit up. this means her right upper arm should be shorter than the left. also i think her arms are too long overall. unless youre stylizing, you're hands come down just to your p/v so you can fap. hers clearly go further than that and the fact she leaning back means they're even more exaggerated

>>2161033
i dont know shit about anime/comics but i cant image the fundamentals not being hugely important. animu isnt horribly popular on here (control f on catalog yield 3 results and animu shows 2) so im not sure where you'd get help on that.

>>2161034
oop i meant her right shoulder

>>2161027
>negative space
literally the most underrated factor ever. it's so damn important.

>>2161045
yeah i get that its important for composition as well but i have nothing to offer him because like you said its underrated as fuck. the only stuff i know about is basically what i told him.

How do I do hair. Out of all the things hair is just impossible for me

>>2161034
Thank you very much, I am working on it.

>>2161040
>>2161027
>>2160997
>>2160990
>>2160988

Thanks for the help everyone. I am going to focus on your suggestions, but before I do that, this is an unfinished portrait I did (I did not know how to approach the more complex parts of the hair). If there are any problems in this one that weren't in my portrait I already posted please tell me, or just let me know if its still values, form, line, and negative spaces like the first portrait.

>>2161050
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHewz3JbKrQ

>>2161055
you just need to study loomis hard. this one is really bad. i wouldnt finish it to be honest. the chin sticks out far past her forehead, and this isnt even a difficult angle, just a side profile.

your lines seems good enough. but if you need more help check peter hans dynamic sketching video.

to practice values, chose portraits/figures with strong directional light from one direction, preferable in black and white for now. with that reference pic you dont have enough information to work with at your skill level. you need stronger contrasts to understand how it works though you seem to have the right idea

>>2161055
Your lines are off. Your face is jutting out forward. An easy thing I do is imagine lines going from one part of the face to another (shown here as red lines) the front tip of the hair is in line with the bottom of tip of the chin more or less, so use something like that as a basic starter point then you can work on the nose and mouth, again using a line for spacing relations.
I'm no pro, and I don't know if anyone else does this, but I do it and I can get fairly accurate proportions quickly. My sketch took me literally a minute and a half. It's not perfect, but It's close.
Hopefully you see what i mean when comparing the redlines on ref and on yours.
Goodluck pal. Keep at it.

>>2161063
>>2161055

Alright guys. I might suck at art but I'm not gonna quit anyway. Thank you so much for your help, especially with the red lines and comparative picture.

>>2161055
You might profit from doing some bargue plate copies.
Get Charles Bargue's drawing course as pdf from google.
From page 24 on gives you tips/ tells you how to approach them.
Keep in mind that this is an exercise to accurately copy something.
Only doing this won't necessarily help with your imagination work, if that's something you're after.
Just something to keep in mind for further down the line.
As I said, for now I think this can be quiet useful to you.

>>2161069

Thanks to you too, I'm surprised that I got so much help considering how bad I was, I didn't think people would bother.

This might be the best I can do for the exercise. Have a crooked grinning tiki.

>>2161075
least u tried anon, but you missed the point of the exercise.
you drew a cartoon representation of a face,

it was about seeing the form, which a lot of people complained about being unable to do last thread.
in this case its a cylinder, the middle one is half a cylinder.

also youre drawing tiny, take up a whole page, start with a cylinder then try again if you have the motivation anon.

>>2161018
I would have done something like so. Now, didn't use a ref, so hands and shit are no good. your tits look like they're stuck on or something. I imagine you want to perky look, but they're a bit much. And nipples looked high.
Face is hella scarey too. I dunno what kinda look you're going for but it's not sexy.

>>2161199
Woooh, thank you so much!
I wanted her to hold a revolver or something in the other hand. The creepy face because I got inspired by Harley Quinn. And I like small titties but I can't draw them well.
Anyway, thanks for the redline!

some loomis heads and stuff

>>2161022
Thanks for your input. What do you recommend for blending, Smudge tool?

>>2160952

Thanks

>>2161232
Dr. Willy?

>>2161270
yeah

Been doing some drawings and stuff for the last couple weeks trying to improve, here's a couple things I've done

>>2161299

I tryed using my whole arm to draw some simple practise stuff but my shoulder couldn't handle the weight of my entire arm for more than 4 minutes. Then i continued with my uper arm almost pressed to my chest but that weird looking T-rex movement wasnt much comfortable either, my shoulder hurts now. The vertical lines i drew looked terrible, holding the weight of my arm and drawing a straight line at the same time seemed almost imposible. I serously hope that im doing it wrong, cause if that is what drawing with the whole arm is then i rather limmit it to my wrist.

>>2161303
you need to keep practising
Lmiting yourself to wrist only because ouuuch it hurts is wrong. Yes it will hurt in the beginning
you can cheat a bit and leave your elbow on armrest while you're drawing

How do ya'll make strong lines? I've used photoshop before, but never really got into digital until recently. I've been stuck trying to make a good base, but it feels really uncomfortable trying to translate from pencil to using a tablet

>>2161314
it just seemed very unproductive to rest after only 10 minutes of akwardly 'drawing' and it looked so damm stupid. I never saw anyone actulay lifting the entire arm only leaving the tip of the pen touch the paper and nothing else. Its just hard to imagine someone would actualy go trough so much trouble and disadvantages just for a bit more range.

>>2161332
Use the overhand grip to draw, always. Unless you are on a tablet (duh).

>>2160258
When you are recoloring something greyscale, don't use a single color. You should be picking at least three colors; you get your base color, then you shift the hue of that color and lighten it to make your highlight color, and shift hue in the opposite direction and darken, for your shadow. This gives you a more natural image. Avoid dodge and burn, it's not an accurate representation of how light falls.

>>2161342
only on a small tablet, i almost never draw on papper.

>>2161351
Improvement happens faster on paper. You really should get a pack of printer paper for $3.

>>2161299
Next time work with a horizon line. You'll get to practice vanishing points.

>>2161371
how to practice them off-canvas?

>>2161142

I tried it again. I had fun even though I didn't exactly nail it this time either.

>>2160983
Your boobs seem to be pushed up by an invisible force, was that intended ?

Anyone else find it insanely difficult to do a full frontal pose compared to an angled one? They always break my flow.

Today I got Intuos Pro. Any tips on how to improve at drawing with tablet? Especially cleaner stuff, like comics and cartoons.

>>2161532
Look up vector art. Not all cartoons and comics use it, but there are a lot of them that do.

>>2161526
Yes.

>>2161448
Well its an improvement I think. kinda looks cylindrical. I don't know why you are struggling with straight lines so.
with that cross hatching you will be a master at fishnet stockings one day.

>>2161526
Story of my life.

heres some tiki rendering inspiration if anyone isn't feeling it.

>>2161591
lol ohgodwtfisthis

>>2161591
that thing from hell raiser?

>>2161591
>>2161600
I dunno... but I kinda like it. Kinda inspired to draw some stuff now. I see an angry tiki chieftan rallying his tiki minions in preparation to go to war against the trees with mouths. Two of which are also creeping up behind him about to attempt to assassinate the chieftan.

This place is cool...

Oh look, a new thread. Either way, I've no idea what I'm doing and the more I smudge colors on this thing the muddier it gets.

>>2160112
shit was harder than i thought, learned some new stuff tho

>>2160697

>>2161631

Don't smudge your colours together. Block in all your colours and then gradate edges as needed. Try mixing all of your colours beforehand, don't blend them in the painting. That way for the process you're just putting every colour where it needs to go, then smoothing transitions to other colours where necessary. Do a layer for midtones, then one for shading, and maybe a separate for highlights and glazes. Keep your colours simple and clean, if you want to go more complex make sure what you have is already satisfying as is.

Think of the picture as abstracted into simple areas of colour. Start with a clean impression of the areas of tone, and then work up to a more realistic rendering on top of that, cleaning/smoothing edges and gradations as needed while adding areas of colour. Don't try to sketch the colours with a thin brush, it looks awful unless you know what you're doing.

Simple areas of colour, clean gradated transitions, slowly build detail doing passes over your less realistic impression.

>>2161735

Thank you anon, I really appreciate the advice.

I'm not really done practicing basic drawing yet, though I figured I'd still give it a go just to get a feel of what's further down the line.

>>2160697
>>2161708
Look into Form it will help a lot with the foreshortening in the first one.
Keep track of your proportions they're off in both pics.
Your range of Value is off, the dark needs to be darker.

>>2161662
I agree it was harder than I anticipated. im going to have to have another try to get it correct.

*sigh*

Holy shit. Learning to draw the hand is just as difficult as the figure.

Whats the general opinion on smudging graphite with your finger to shade? Is it a crutch and a bad tactic or is it legitimate? What alternatives are there to hatching and x hatching? How do I know when to use what shading technique?

>>2160249
Ok great, co was surprisingly much more fucking helpful.

>>2161959
smudge using a paper smudging stick or a cloth, but dont use your hands because the oil from your skin will fuck with the charcoal

I just started Fun With a Pencil.
How much time should I spend on each of these exercises here?
It feels like I might die of old age before I reach body construction.

>>2161976
yeah, they would be,

>>2161976
sucks dude, learn fundamentals. if by "stylized" you mean "from the mind of a 4 year old", it's pretty good though. otherwise, no, you only get to stylize after a fuckton of time grinding fundamentals. then, and only then, will it be appealing.

sorry, /co/ doesn't have any relevance to this board.

>>2162027
Do them until you understand them, there's no point in skipping ahead

>>2162027
Do Peter Han first and for FUCK's sake be patient god dammit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2160352
just looks like you need practice with the medium, the rendering in and of itself isn't half bad.

>>2162040
okay...
the gist that I got for the first couple of lessons is that you can break down the head into simple circles. Could be perfect, oblong, or barely round. Constructing it this way sort of reminds me of those old newspaper comics.
I think it's cute, but when will I get to be drawing naked people?
>>2162044
Well damn, which one is it then?! Books from sticky or Peter Han?!

>>2162064
>which one is it then?!
both. try to do peter han's exercises at least once a day. Do use a felt tip pen btw, they really help becoming more confident with other mediums.

>>2162064
You can break anything down into basic shapes, drawing those shapes first gives you a chance to match comparable sizes and workout composition before you actually start drawing.

If you don't want to do peter hans shit you should get how to draw by scot robertson from the book thread. The high res copy wasn't available when the sticky was written.

Started practicing values today and I'm struggling a lot. I understand basic concepts like shadows being divided into categories of cast shadow, mid tone, and shadow edge.

I'm having a lot of trouble determining where which of these sections begin/end and how to set up a light source, especially ones that come from behind where the perspective is, or other odd locations. I've watched the proko vid and read some tutorials but something just isnt clicking in my brain. What's the best place to start shading / drawing lines to orient myself?

Any crits? I know it's really, really rough. but I spent way too much time on it and just said screw it. Also is there any way to get faster? besides just drawing more?

>>2162175
AH SHIT thats a really big image sorry...hopefully this is better!

Loved drawing all my life and recently decided to start drawing "seriously." After a few days of gesture drawing, I wanted to try my hand at something more fleshed out. Apologies for the mess but any constructive criticism will be greatly appreciated!

How do I get a more focused eye structure, I can get the actual eye and pupil but it's the lashes and eyelid I have trouble with ? And how do I do a mouth (I don't want a realistic mouth,I'm looking more for something in between of cartoony and realistic). I read the sticky and I don't feel it helped me with these topics I'm having trouble with

okay im getting really bored with this and since i originally intended it to be a rock/cloud/lighting study, i just want some critiques on those elements.

>>2162187
Both the eye lids and lips follow similar principles. They are both folds of skin wrapped around a spherical / cylindrical object. The eye lids, wrap around the eye ball, and the lips wrap around the teeth. The each open and close, so imagine them closed and fully surrounding the interior object. Then imagine them being spread open (like curtains) revealing the object beneath.

Practice wrapping some spheres and cylinders with "skin" then move to eyes and lips

Also, totally serious when I say Loomis has a better explanation.

>>2161548

I thought I was simulating a block of wood, that's why the edges look crooked. Unless the block is mechanically sawed, wood has a similar curvature. I had a tiki reference with similar edges so I just went with it.

>>2161926
>tfw drawing hands in perspective
I feel your struggle

>>2162225
>trying to measure the fingers in perspective
We can do it, nigga.

>>2161526

Yes. What exercises help develop symmetry? Is it just consistentcy of stroke?

Loving drawing Tikis. Great thread!

Need help with composition. Will try to make it more triangular with the top arm and fix the left one.

Is there a workout routine for practice? I've been drawing for years but I feel like I don't really get the grasp of anatomy or perspective.
Something like "draw ten bodies, five hands and one face in one minute each" but as a routine that works.
Or any tips regarding daily practice would be useful.

>>2162261

Find a thing you're shit at, try drawing it 10 times. Repeat this errydei.

That tiki fucked my shit up.

>>2162266
But anon, I'm probably shit at everything. I don't even know where to start.

>>2162241
What has immensely helped was visually memorizing Hogarth's body measurements and practice. Sure the same would apply to Loomis' measurement.

>>2162268
Start with Proko's first video then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U

and what anon said
>>2162266

>>2162272
Damn, that video is really good. Pretty much what I know so far but never thought of breaking it down to so many shapes and see how they correlate. I normally do an oval for the face, a circle for the skull and a cross to pinpoint the nose and alignment.
Should I make it like Proko every time I draw or just until I grasp it?

>>2162178
that's some nice work anon. good on you for participating.
also first image was fine, 1kpx is fine, ppl only complain when its mb in size.

>>2162269

Thanks friendo. I'm almost done with Right Side and I was sure to focus on her description of proportions and positioning. I struggle to replicate curves etc from one side to the other but I see no shortcut through that

did i get the perspective right

>>2162323
tbh you should have asked that before you did the painting.

its okay, your loops are a bit wonky, that's more to do with how youre using your brush than incorrect perspective calculations.

>>2162330
yeah i was working on that since i posted. and i think ive fixed it up decently since though these ellipses seem a bit arbitrary?

For someone wanting to draw cartoons / comics, how will I know when to switch over to drawing that style from learning fundamentals and drawing real things? I respect fundamentals and realism greatly, but I do not want to detriment my progress by staying on them too long.

>>2162340
You cannot detriment progress by learning fundementals and realism. Comic or cartoon art still relies on fundementals, it's just stylised art. Take what you've learnt and change the style of it to more cartoony. If you learn muscles and how they all connect etc.. this still all applies to cartoon characters.....

>>2162179
Pretty solid. The only crit I'd give is that on the left figure the legs look very thin, and the feet a bit funky. But overall good job.

>>2162341
thanks buddy, now i can keep practicing fundamentals without worrying

>>2162337
Sorry I should have done it like this
.the elipses didn't meant anything
I just meant if you neaten those lines up it`ll look a bit more defined and straight, theres nothing wrong with it.
some lighting to make it look more cylindrical wouldn't go amiss.

>>2161232

Saved for when some newfag pipes up that loomis aint shit.

He doesn't mean that I should draw every muscle over the "ball and plane" like pic realated... right? He just mean that I should learn the funktion of the muscles right?...
please respond

>>2162510

Draw the muscles anon

>>2162519
H-how many do you want?...

Never realized how important boxes and shit were until doing hands. Hogarth is telling me to the ball and point fingers but I can't make a circle three dimensional for shit.

>>2162524
All of them

>>2162510
Learning the muscles of the face isn't important really. At least not until you get rather advanced and want to understand facial expressions really well. The muscles in the face have almost no perceptible influence on the surface forms of the face (with the exception of the masseter). Most of the face is fat and cartilage. You are better off learning the skull and the planes of the face, then the individual features. Muscles of are the least important thing.

>mfw jew a box has all of his instruction videos behind a patreon wall

Well fuck, looks like I'm jumping ship.
Anyone here been using scott robertsons how to draw?

>>2162593
Get Peter Han's Dynamic sketching it's what Draw a Box is attempting to provide. You can find it here on the forums or in the archive. Same goes for How to Draw

Tell me how to draw perfect rib cage in one stroke.

>>2160201
are you fucking smudging the shadows??

>>2161859
They're good anon! keep going!

An ode to our boardtan. He's not sloppy enough but it was fun.

>>2162771
>if you mean drawing the entire ribcage construction in one stoke
Why would you need to be able to draw a ribcage in one stroke? In the long run, it wouldn't even save time and isn't as effective as normal construction. What you're doing currently is fine.
>if you mean getting the egg shape down
practice

>>2162252
Update. Plan to do oil on canvas of this.
anatomy will be fixed to the best of my abilities. c&c welcome.

Okay, I can't do the colors right.

>>2163150
Color is the last thing you need to worry about.

>>2163155

Oh...It is perceptive...Please it isn't the perceptive.

>>2163150
>>2163158
this is bonesofruin 2.0, ignore him.

>>2163169

I am not Bone of ruins 2.0.

Goddamn you. I have been drawing for months. You going to put me down, And avoid me.

I have been batman threads. I wanted outside critics that isn't useless like you.

>>2163169

Unlike, Boneofruin, I approve my art.

Look at my past history and now. If you don't believe me, Then prove it.

Am I doing my this right?

>>2163205

What are you drawing?

Someone opening a box?

>>2163209
No, sorry, it's an attempt at adding shadows using the method in Perspective Made Easy.

>>2163205
>>2163210
bump

Holy fuck, /ic/ is slow as balls.


People are too busy doing art.

>>2163224
>People are too busy doing art.

>>2163216
/ic/ please, shout at me and tell me how bad I am.

>>2162241
You know what helps me with symmetry? Flipping my canvas. It really makes all the issues glaringly apparent. If you are working traditionally a mirror can give you the same effect. It really helps me see what's wrong and allows me to correct mistakes.

Of course measuring, either by sight size or using what you know about simple proportions will also help.

I'm drawing the tiki with flame eyes and the shadows and lighting are fucking my shit up i cant get proportions and lines right and I havent even done more than10% of the drawing

should I continue or try some other exercise before trying this again?

>>2163229
No. Because while you need to work on your line control the basic construction you have there works. The box is appropriately lined up to it's too vanishing points (assuming those lines go off to the left and right and connect to a single point on each side). The shadow, that's a tougher one. Where is your light source? Depending on where it is that shadow might be longer than the box, it might even warp and widen as it moves away from the box and lightsource, or it might be smaller than the box. It all depends. What you have drawn for the shadow could be correct, but it's difficult to say so without knowing the specific point the light is coming from.

Made a portrait in drawing class.

>>2163293
How's chemo treating ya?

>>2163304
kek. i tend to go full retard with the hair so i just dropped some lines instead of the whole thing

>>2163307
Just draw the outline and go into the details later. Erase and refine if necessary.
Your eyes look great.

Is it even worth finishing? If it is I'll redo the mouth because i was getting really frustrated at that point. I am way too slow, it took me two hours to do that much because I always have to redraw lines over and over to get them to not be misplaced. The shadows confuse me.

>>2163345
If this took you two hours already you may want to finish it, but if it were me I'd try again.

Remember this anon, you can use your logic to help inform your decisions. The tiki head you are drawing is segment of a cylinder. Start with that shape. Simplify all the other shapes and then refine them from there.

Honestly what you have is looking all right so far. You are getting a good feeling of it being a 3 dimensional object. The depth in the eyes as they recede and curve away as well as the same depth in the mouth as it recedes and curves away is doing a good job of convincing me it's a 3d object. I think you are on the right track. The teeth need a bit of work but other than that I think it's coming along. But I do suggest taking a break and trying it again later with fresh eyes.

>>2163278
Thanks anon. And I was just copying the example in the book, although it doesn't make too much sense to me. Also, how do you work on getting cleaner lines?

I need help, I have issues in the sketch/construction phase of drawing but I can't for the life of me find out how to correct it.
It's driving me up the wall.

>>2162605
Peter hans it is, the study excersises in draw a box seem to be impossible without the videos.

>>2163428
Practice using your arm instead of your wrist. Do super imposed lines (Check Peter Han's stuff or Proko how to control your pencil). Practice drawing straight lines between two arbitrary points on a page. It's gonna start out looking wobbly or not at all on target. But focus and practice and it will get better. Actual line weight and nice lines from sketching will come with practice. But getting to be able to do straight lines is a good stepping stone for a beginner. Straight lines require confidence, and practicing them will get you in the habit of drawing larger objects with your arm. You should only use your wrist for smaller stuff.

How do I learn to rotate box in all directions?

>>2163531
git a box

any crit on this before I start to render? gracias.

>>2163537
but... haven't you already started to render? i mean from the thumb alone it looks like it's already pretty well shaded. i guess rendering means polishing it up? i'm such a noob. it looks good to me anon.

>>2163541
Cheers. Well, when i say render I mean, pretty much go over it all with more solid lines, add details and colour.
I've had the idea of drawing a turtle with like an ancient city on its shell for a while now, so maybe i'll do that.

>>2163273
don't worry about lighting, its just an exercise in form anon. it only needs to be a line drawing to show you can wrap things around a cylinder.

How do I improve on this kind of shit.

>>2163581
sada, that you?

>>2163476
your sketch alone looks ok. And you lines are clean and solid, it just looks like you've messed up the angles on the head. Head looks very tall and the body looks like it should be longer.
excuse the roughness of my redline, but maybe you see what i mean.

Beginner Drawfag here.

Started doing digital earlier this year, now attempting to create Characters for a Homebrew boardgame.

going for a minimal colour palette as a result.

Id love some critique on my first piece of that.

>>2163610
stop trying to make stuff before you can draw. I know foundation crap is boring but its there for a reason

>>2163596
>sada
Who is this? Not sada, but instantly curious.

>>2163603
Thanks for the redline! I'll work on the anatomy then, cheers :)

Day2.

Goddamn the hardest part is by far getting the circle to look right.

>>2163868
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>>2163711
about this one, I was wondering if I should have gotten rid of the swirl...I don't like the colors, but when I remove it there's too much empty space..

would you put this on a t-shirt?

>>2163888
No, because it's shitty by your own admission, comprised of cheap brushes, and makes no conceptual sense.

>>2163530
Thanks a lot, man. I dont mean to make excuses, but I have a problem with extremely sweaty hands when I draw, so I usually put like a napkin under my hand and that hinders me a lot.

Hi everyone, this might sound stupid but is it possible to become as good as well known artists, if you're quite bad ?

I've been practicing with 'Fun with a pencil', 'Keys to drawing' and random sketches.

Honestly, my drawings aren't good and I'd like to improve, because I'm a bit jealous of a few artists.

I could post one more cropped stack of images for criticism and advice ?

which comp seems to be better anon ? before i really get into

did a master copy. crits welcome.

>>2163897
>I'd like to improve, because I'm a bit jealous of a few artists.

Think again is it worth it. You're pointing out that what you are jealous of, is more likely combination of skill, imagination and personal history. That's something you don't measure with a competition.

>>2163897
If you're in it just for the attention then you won't get very far

>>2163897
A few things anon. Despite what some people will tell you, the first stage of acquiring any skill is being bad at it. So yes it is possible to get good.

Second thing, whatever it is that drives you it better be strong and powerful because being a skilled artist is not something you will achieve overnight. It will take years and then some, for a true master it will never end you spend the rest of your life striving to get better.

Lastly- It is good that you are going through those books. It is good that you are drawing. If you want to get better actually doing it is the one thing you have to do. I wouldn't worry too much about where you are at skill wise at this stage. In the beginning mileage and building up a habit of drawing often is the most important (read that again). Keep drawing. Draw another 10-50 drawings and come back. If you can stick with it that long you will be one step closer.

>>2163897
Anyone can become amazing at sketching and shit. It just takes a lot of practice. Try to allow like one hour everyday where you sketch and try to improve. You know? When you get better you can move on to more advanced shit. Have people pose for you and try to remember the blocking and stuff from the book. Like breaking things down into shapes and stuff. Keep going. Eventually you can put what YOU imagine onto a piece of paper or a canvas. I believe in you. You can do it. Don't give up. ALso, when being jealous thats cool, just try to ask questions to understand their process and shit. Maybe it would help you become better. :)

>>2163897
Have you actually been retaining knowledge?
Looking at your pictures it seems like you're copying rather than understanding.

You should buy a sketch pad though, lined paper fucks up your groove something fierce and it's ass to look at.
Also yes, you can get as good as any well known artists if you log the hours and do the work. It just takes a long ass time.

>>2163921
Well, I guess that I can change my mindset about my jealousy, the thing is that their art is cool and sexy, it's attractive.

>>2163927
Okay, I'll make drawing more of a habit because I do want to get good and have some jealousy, thank you.

>>2163928
You also make a good point.

I should start asking questions instead of admire their art, the whole time.

>>2163931
Honestly, I've been copying more than understanding the process.

I'll also buy a sketch pad that doesn't have lines.

Hello artists. I need your critics to my photoshop image. The original idea is somewhere else here, and this is a fixed (in my opinion) image.
It's a request from /v/ of Ema Skye get astohished by the program Cosmos or one of their host.
My first intention was portrtrayed a cmore cartoonish Ema like the exaggerated facial expresions usualy a character gets when something extreme happends, but I failed apparently hahaha.
This is a less "desfigured" version ef Ema, so I want your opinions about that image. Thanks.
PD. I posted in a thread before but someone told me to put in here, I hope this is the correct place now.

>>2163974
Again, this is the original result.

>>2163603
The shoulders are too high as well

Quick beginners study sketch.

>tfw you're stuck waiting for the first to sign up to cg peers.

>>2164009
are you the guy who asked where to find peter han in the beginner thread?

How can I make it look like its night time?

>>2164063
Colour theory.

The answer to your question is not a simple one. One could fix it for you, but for you to know how to create night time with actual mood, effect, lighting and so on you need to start focusing on colours. Start with warm & cool colours, then push their chromas around.

>>2163974
>>2163977
there's no fixing that car crash, just redraw the whole thing

meh tiki.. wish I wouldn't make so much of a mess with my pencil.
off to watch a film and enjoy my Friday night.

>>2163910
I actually like it.
Values could have gone darker I think and he's a bit too broad/bulky all around.
Plot the figure out more carefully in the beginning stages.
Nice lines btw.

>>2164063
NIGHT TIME BABYYYY

Can i get some feedback for this? What do you think of the composition? any glaring mistakes in her anatomy?

>>2164188
yep, her neck is on her left shoulder

>>2164188
oh yea also how do i hair?
>>2164189
what the fuck youre right. Fucking tunnelvision.

>>2163899
Personally, I like the second drawing better. The giant looks a little awkward and the perspective on the vehicle is boring in the first one.
The second drawing looks really cool. However, I would like to see a bit more, like the head of the giant and the entire space bike.

>>2164147
Thanks anon. Been having problems with pushing my values, and I'm trying to get back into figure drawing more often. Gotta go watch some more figure structure videos.

I don't think I actually did what I was supposed to. I just doodled and inked over the doodle.

To be honest I've never actually done any fundamental exercises, and I don't fully understand this one ("subtracting forms from cylinders").

Oh well, had fun drawing a Tikiman. It's not based on any tiki in particular, but I drew some inspiration from those photos in the OP.

>>2164300
I don't know if this helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr0SXRrzch8

tikis are usually cut from trees which are cylinders.
so all the details are subtractions. they are cut negatively into the cylinder.
so if your thinking in 3d. it would be like pic related.

rather than just drawing visually, youre understanding it, you can rotate it in your mind and draw it from any angle.

done. >>2160087

could use any type of advice

How do you find the perspective when it's completely off the sheet of your paper?

>>2160905
perspective, values, colors...Pretty much everything. It doesn't look believable enough

Did a tiki. Looks a little more clear irl than the picture.

Need critique. Please tell me what needs improvement (and whats good if there is anything good in this picture).

>>2164052
Yes that was me. I think you meant question thread though.

How can I make this not look so blurry?

>>2164497
1. literally get more paper, tape it to your table, and extend your perspective lines.
2. http://e1n.tumblr.com/post/11504826788/alternate-link-in-case-the-pictures-wont
3. eyeball it

>>2164510
use a harder brush, especially for edges. i know this pisses some people off, but avoid the smudge tool or leave that for detailing.

>>2160087
I really need to work on my shapes, this was kinda difficult, I also feel like I failed at making it looks carved

>>2160087
>busy foreground, simple background
>simple foreground, busy background
Should I always stick to this?

>>2164529
by sharpening it

>>2164509

Here, did another one. Request for critique is the same.

>>2164081
Yhea I though so. Redrawing time. btw what about the cartoon saga/tyson?

what i did wrong

I paint a picture everyday I try to just free hand it as often as possible fuck references fuck rules grrr im a rebel

>>2164620
Loomis.

>>2164620
shoulders and boobs are not aligned so bring right shoulder forward or make right boob face sideways. there should also be more space between navel and crotch, approximately one head's length

first attempt at coloring something on sketchbook pro that ended up being decent
but not that much decent

>>2164403
That actually does help. It's an interesting way to think about drawing. The concept of boolean operations on 3d objects is something I've never thought of before. Drawing a cylinder and chiseling away at it like a block of wood will certainly ensure the cylindrical shape.

Thanks!

>>2164510
oh okay well I have the series, and the first few vids are just the same as whats on youtube in these two lectures, so you can get a head start by practicing this stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
similar to one, but the end has the next step after. forms and contours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFVggG7ajXM

>>2164688
Thanks. This should help me a great deal, or atleast tide me over until I get peter hans classes.

>>2164565
your first ones fine, second one the mouths off.
the mouth cavity is actually perfectly straight and level, the reason it looks like its not level is the teeth are sloping backwards.

hope my fucky drawing explains.

now its Saturday and I have a heavy day of doing nothing ahead of me.

>>2164403

>>2163897
You are basically me one year ago, I did the exact same exercisers. And it sucked because I sucked. Then I started copying images with a light box and it was super fun because the results was far better than I was. I got motivated to continue drawing for the first time (I've tried to pick it up before), and now I'm decent. And I don't need to copy anymore.

If you struggle with keeping your motivation up perhaps you should just try copying. It worked for me at least.

>>2164718
its not a cylinder from a cylinder, its random shape subtractions.
this isn't a method to make the tiki, its just a way of thinking about it in 3d.

the mouth is ''a shape'' cut out of the cylinder.

>>2164726
I don't get how it's done. That video may be helpful but I still don't get it.

How do i into lineart?
How should i know when the line should be thn and when it should be thick?

>>2164813
thick is shadow thin is light
thick is near and thin is far
thick is mass and thin is light
thick draws focus of our mind
thick external thin internal
thick is force and thin is weak
line can break where forms are pressed
thick makes corners read so well
thin is where stretching dwell
you decide what line will tell

>>2164829
Nice poem

did i mess up the perspective yet? and im aware the that the bottom part of the tower is aligned

also, why does the color look so different when i view it on my iphone. ive literally never had a painting do this

How did you learn shadows? Is there any website where you can pick basic geometrical forms and move a light source around them to see how light and shadows interact? I'm following Peter Han's dynamic sketching videos and I'm stuck at shadows, he goes over them pretty quickly.

>>2164461
Advice on what exactly? You appear to be attempting to create stylized characters. You are doing it. These are very early sketches, not much to critique. Keep doing it I guess.

>>2164941
Look up Chiaroscuro

Get some objects with a flat color (not shiny). Get a single light source, or possibly two at most. Turn them on and use them to experiment on your own. You can buy these simple objects at a craft store. Get a cube, a sphere, a pyramid, cone, cylinder etc and whatever else strikes your fancy.

Trust me, I'm a CG artist. This is much better than trusting some computer algorithm to tell you about the real world. And if you want to try the "I'm poor" excuse you can construct these things out of thick paper and tape/glue so there's really no excuse.

So I'm watching this for clothing, do you guys have other videos to recommend?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqH9ewGZKdA

>>2164530
Alright then, that I will do.
Thanks for the input.

>>2164991
scott robertsons book suggests a way.

its something to do with vanishing points being equal to 90 degrees or something. I don't understand it myself.

>>2164620
Mine doesn't have as much twisting as yours, but eh. You get the idea, if yours going to make her turn that way, keep in mind how twisting of 3d shaped works. I think its coming back to how you start off the drawing, if your base isn't correct its not going to come out right. Just think logically about what happens to the body in these sort of poses. I got up and did the pose myself to get a feeling for it, maybe you should try that if you already didn't.Getting to feel like a sexy goat ho is also a plus.

>>2164949
Proportions and stuff

>>2164670
That's really nice, looks like something phil noto would draw. Work on those hand though.

When people say "Peter Han" are they just talking about those two half hour videos on sketching?

Or is there more stuff that I'm missing?

And on that same note, do I have to get all that bullshit he said, or is normal paper and a normal felttip pen fine?

>>2160087
Is learning to draw necessary to learn to paint digitally?
All I really want is to illustrate nudes for my smut novel in writing on my intuos pro large.

>>2165021
There's a series of classes he put out, you should buy all of that shit he suggested.
There's a guy who works draw a box dot com which is essentially a watered down version that you can use a sketch pad and felt tip with.
I started it but he has a paywall around the third lesson that requires a patreon account to watch his instructional videos on what is essentially "studying"

>>2165030
So you would think the best option is to buy all the Han shit and then do his 'series of classes' ? And if so, where the hell is that series?

Or is it basically the same thing if I do 'draw a box' and/or just use normal materials?

>>2165037
The guy who did box took the peter han class and watered down the course, I would advise going with peter han.

>>2165037
look up on the art book thread, there's a mega link with all the videos available for download

>>2165046
You wouldn't happen to know which mega link that is, I'm going through them and can't seem to find it.

>>2165061
https://mega.nz/#F!es1BSKQR!spODyd0iaQmMelGA2GscFw

for you

>>2165064
you're a legend

Sorry for shitty image.
Thoughts on this? I'm aware the shading is horrid, tried something new cause it's my weakest point by far.

>>2165037
peter hans dynamic sketching on cg peers.
I don't know of another link to it if there is one.

I know that this isn't much, but would you guys think about this hand, mug and anime-ish girls I drew ?

Your criticism is welcome and I haven't bought a sketchpad yet (I will eventually).

Lastly, would it be a good idea to check out Mark Crilley's vids and books to get better at drawing anime ?

Or is there someone even better ?

>>2165097
its quite good, the only error I see is your top and bottom bulge out too far,
the top and bottom of the original are all defined within the cylinder.

>>2164995
What part of the book does he explain that? Still early into it, I guess he explains it later.

>>2165104
>peter hans dynamic sketching on cg peers

The ones on CG Peers is the workshop, not the class. Another anon not long ago uploaded the entire 8 week lecture on Peter Han's class in one of the "is draw a box good?" thread. The class goes more in-depth on how to do the exercises.

I don't have link, but I'm sure someone here has it.

>>2165133
oh so youre right, thanks ill download it out of interest.

>>2165123
it starts on 049 goes right through to the brewer method.
its that cone of vision stuff. on page 50, if your circle of vision is 30 degrees each way, and your vanishing points are like 45 each way, 2x45 = 90. or 60 /30 = 90.


I don't really understand it myself.

>>2165152
That's odd that the grid wasn't explained earlier in the book. I suppose I'll free hand and eyeball it as best as possible. I'm not far from the explanation, so maybe there's a reason why.

>>2165152
it's simple really

okay gonna make a new thread. 2 minutes.

NEW THREAD - go go go!

>>2165189
>>2165189
>>2165189

anyone know if this book is decent or not? i wanna learn the manga style as well as traditional and find my style in between.

>>2162038
Alright thanks. Apology for being salty

>>2165307
There is no such thing as a decent "How to Draw X" book.

Am I doing gesture right...did them from imagination for a change instead of going to pixelovely

>>2160087
What I drew today.

>>2167944
How is the posing?
What can I better? I used Filthy Frank as a model because, I watched a video of his beforehand.
Any artists I could look into?