/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Repostin:
Once I finish a sketch I end up having issues doing the final line art for said sketch. Are there any methods for adding the final line art for a sketch? I just want the line art to look alive.

>>2157381
dynamic lines.

USing line thickness depicting areas of the image that are in movement, or closer or more back in the back ground is what makes line art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zl5NnEAyU

2 mins in is when he starts talkign about it. I have nor watched this tutorial, i cant find the one i seen regarding this, but this is just the same toppic.

>>2157381
I recon for neat line art people just cheat and use the vector line tool in sai.

What's the difference between the Supinator Longus and the Brachioradiallis?

I thought that the brachioradiallis is one of the defining curves of the forearm, but after reading Constructive Anatomy by Bridgman, He's telling me that the Supinator Longus is the one to look out for?

How can i bind something to the mousewheel in SAI ?? it feels like it would have been perfect to hold some key combination with it for it to do different things, like CTRL+MOUSEHWEEL - change brush size / opacity / rotate canvas / etc...

How do I grow some balls and draw a finished piece? I'm too scarred about how the final product will turn out.

>>2157926
I use AutoHotkey to change Capslock to another Control key under Windows, as well as to change hotkeys for old games that don't support that feature natively. It's a very powerful program that can make macro scripts for just about anything. If there's a keyboard shortcut for something you want done in SAI, AutoHotkey will be able to change your mousewheel to that key combination.

>>2158233
Set a time limit, shut yourself off from all distractions, and work. Just work. You need to be more worried about your process than the finished piece. Enjoy what you're doing, have a goal in mind, and the finished piece will produce itself. I know that sounds very stupid, but I think you might be overthinking this.

>>2157381
Similar to the above answer: what exactly is "final line art" to you? I draw as a hobby and most of the drawings I make are for my own use, so I know a piece is done when it satisfies the requirement of letting me know what I'm trying to convey at some latter date. If you have some kind of goal in mind that you can't articulate for yourself, you're never going to reach it except by accident. When in doubt, just pick some arbitrary measure of success (i.e. I worked on this for 3 hours) and then move on to the next piece. Putting in enough mileage will get you to where you want to go eventually (if you're sensible about how you invest your time).

>>2158233
instead of worrying, find out

>>2158317
But what if I'm so shit, even the most autistic artist will laugh their ass off?

>>2158326
Think about what is worrying you, fix it. Why are you worrying that the end result will look shit? Did you solve problems or did you instead glance over them? Did you not see them yet?

Things like that.

>>2158326
Unless you have a very good reason for needing to please the most autistic artist, you should worry about finding an approach to drawing that works for you and you alone.

It seems to me (a different anon than the one you quoted), that you're placing other people's perception of your work over the progression of your actual work. Look, friend, everyone makes bad pieces. Everyone messes up. The very "failure" that you're afraid of are going to show you your path to getting better. Make a bunch of "happy accidents" and get over yourself.

>>2158336
>It seems to me (a different anon than the one you quoted), that you're placing other people's perception of your work over the progression of your actual work.

It wouldn't surprise me if you're correct. The reason I might do that is because to me everything I draw looks like garbage. I guess I see some progress in my trash but I'm still bothered by how shit it is. Also I have shit self esteem and I'm hyper hyper-critical of my stuff.

Is there a way to setup the pressure settings in Manga Studio to work like in SAI? I've tried playing with it's settings, but couldn't get even close to what SAI has by default while drawing lineart. Given that I use the same tablet settings for both programs... I'm confused as to the differences of pressure detection.

Any ideas?

I'm thinking of getting Toon Boom Harmony.

Is it worth it to buy the premium license or should I just stick to the essentials because I'm a complete novice at the program?

When drawing rotated boxes in perspective, where do the vanishing points go? Do you just guess a point in the distance that the lines converge at? How does the point relate to the horizon line?

I have a layer set to 100% opacity, but some of the colors are partially transparent. If I use the eyedropper tool, I get the color at full opacity. How can I paint with this color at the same opacity as it is in the image?

I visited a web design & general design studio a long time ago and noticed that everyone had blank grey wallpapers or wallpapers in greyscale.
I asked why and they said that having a wallpaper in a certain color or variety of colors can throw off your sense of color when you're working on something.

Does this also apply to digital painting, should I have a grey wallpaper?

>>2158443
you need some Scott Robertson lad.
the pdfs in the bookthread.
if youre talking 2 point perspective, there are ways to calculate it I think, ive been struggling with this myself but apparently there are.

Probably lame bored question, but what programs did they use to make sprites for games in the 1980s?

When drawing/painting, do you rely more on intuition or visualization?

Does saturation effect the tonal value?

Do you need saturation consistency to have a correct painting. This is confusing me.

Or is brightness the only thing that determines it.

>>2158443
>>2158938
If you know what a Station Point (SP) is, then all you do is take a 90 Degree angle from the SP, and where the two lines intersect on the Horizon Line, is where your two Vanishing Points go. It's not that difficult.

>>2157359
Which perspective book is best for a noob?
Norling's Perspective Made Easy
How to Draw Scott Robertson
Joseph d'Amelio perspective drawing handbook
Gwen White Perspective

>>2159510
All of them. All you need is good reading comprehension to get through these books.

>>2158443
There is a distinct difference between eye level and the horizon line. Eye level is what the horizon line is on landscapes and cityscapes. But when dealing with forms not attached to the ground or that tilt, that form's horizon line shifts; take the tilt of a pelvis, for example, the front face of the bowl tilts downward raising the horizon line of the bowl or box. Then to rotate the box left or right, we just move the vanishing points along that firm's horizon line. If you want to rotate the front of the form left, you move the vanishing points right. And vice versa.

not so much creating art related, but how does one go about cleaning an oil painting without visiting a curator? i have a large oil reproduction of pic related, but it's a little grimey.

when drawing a larger picture (a/4), and drawing from photo, i cant seem to put things where they are in the size they are.
How do i learn to do this?

>>2159175
a rougher software than MSPaint.

>>2159528
i don't know much about perspective books as i was taught in person for most of the more complicated bullshit, but what i have seen of most perspective books is they do a piss poor job of explaining what they are doing so when you look at the images you don't know if in your assumption or not.

whenever some asks about the scot robertson books i have to rely on what i already know about perspective to try and help explain what that page wants you to do, so reading comprehension isn't the key to what you need, what you need to go through those books is someone who already knows to explain the shit that they don't explain well...

i would say watch a video series, but the only one i know of has 90%+ padding in it to the point i consider it unwatchable, however, if you get stumped on the books, the video series will probably give you answers faster than a 4chan explanation will.

>>2159175
if i remember right, it was done by hand pixel by pixel, and >>2159850 i wouldnt say that... well at least not about windows xp mspaint, it would have been more limited, but the same concept of the program are the same,

Who does Eytan Zana borrow his Lighting Schemes from ?

I'm sure he's not magically coming up with them himself even though I love his art....

Pic Related..

>>2159510
Joseph's Perspective Drawing Handbook literally showed me the light on perspective. Literal revelation.
Scott Robertson and John Montague are actually your next best bets

>>2159808
just look up painting restoration. there are chemicals, I know, I looked it up a while back. just cant remember off top of my had.

>>2160041
I recon he has a large folder of inspiring images then uses them as influences.

source, anywhere. flickr.

>>2160058
Erik Olsen lectures, bruh.

How bright can reflected light get?

>>2160063
Right yes, Just like everyone else.

BUT I feel like his lighting decision making isn't his own(It's just too good!), I think he's actively borrowing from a master or a few masters, I can't figure out which exactly..

so really I'm asking which master I can borrow from.

>>2160073

Depends on the material thats reflecting it.

>>2160079
I guess I should specify.
Would reflected light ever be so intense, it is the same intensity that of the directional light?
Or would that have to be a perfect mirror?

>>2160073
if the surface is highly reflective (i.e. mirror) it will be the same brightness as the source. From there it can only decrease with lower gloss. It will never be brighter than the source though, that is for sure

>>2160092

When a reflection becomes compressed in a small place (on a Bumpy surface metalic) it can actually become more then the surrounding light sources..

Hey, is there a rule of thumb when creating a new digital canvas? It always feels like it's too low in the resolution, but when I crank it up, it gets to about 100Mbs.... Is that normal? Should it be more?

>>2160141
I have things that typically range from 50MB to 200MB depending on number of layers. There's even one file that's at 600MB, but that's not the norm for me.

What matters is pixel dimensions. If it's a painting, 3000px on the shorter end is good. Shrink down as needed when you're ready to post it online. If it's intended for print, then you need to know the dpi the printer works at, and the dimensions of the final product in inches, and that will determine what file size you should be working at.

If storage space is a concern, make sure you're working at 8bit color mode instead of 16bit. For most purposes it won't have a visual difference for painters, but if you're doing lots of levels and other adjustments you will lose more data working in 8bit instead of 16bit. That's an oversimplification based on what I recall, but you can always google that stuff for more info.

>>2160141
There's no rule of thumb..

6x4k is about 100-200mb yea it'll be about that in PSD form.

You don't have to work in that high a res.. You can try to paint 1920x1080 if your PC can't handle it.. and if you need to get something REALLY tight you can take that peice out into a new document,(200 px face or something) Res it up to 1k Paint away, Size it down again, and plug it back in for _Much Tighter_ look.

>>2160141
bit depth is more important for resolution.

default is 8-bit, change it to 16, then you only need like 1024 for decent res, any higher then that is upto you.

>>2160162
Huh?.. No one has ever told me this.. I'm pretty sure it's only for doing things like Adjustments...

The only information I can find is like 5-7 year old shitty youtube videos from nobodies... and they only talk about it in regards to Image Manipulation.

>>2160167
well its like video games. an old 8 bit video game looks pixely.

same with an 8 bit image.
try make an 8 bit image, then draw a line.
then do the same for the 32 bit image at the same size.

when it comes to saving a jpg, chose save for web option, jpeg, medium of high quality, then the file size wont be so much.

>>2160162
Classic. Misinformation on 4chan..

I bet you start painting in 300 PPI for Prints too.

Any tips on learning how to make thumbnails?
Any videos that helped you?
Books?
Sites?

>>2160195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-l9kNXAeGQ

>>2160170
>8 bit
>32 bit
I don't think you know what these terms mean.

>>2160198
Thanks, but do you have something that I could use with traditional medium?

What is this called and where can I find another? Got this from my grandmother, was one of my favorite things, got clogged by one of my shithead cousins, and grandma's dead so I can't ask her.

Whole thing can be filled with ink, and the needle in the middle stops the ink when you're not using it.

>>2160208
It's all the same.......

>>2160195
http://pastebin.com/fZM8NdBr

>>2160271
This is legit.

http://www.neilblevins.com/cg_education/cg_education.htm

Here take this too, he ends his tutorials with 3d stuff But most of his tutorials can be used to understand 2d.

Feng Zhu stuff its also a good quick primer..

How do you guys decide on what to actually complete as a full piece.My sketchbook is filled with ideas and interesting poses but I never know which to actually finish...

>>2160633
Ask yourself if you feel excited about the idea of working more on a piece. If you do, then go for it. Even if you start something and lose interest, just do something else for a while and you might get back to it later, or just decide you're not into it anymore.

>>2160633
>How do you guys decide on what to actually complete as a full piece
Pick a sketch. Finish it. Yes, its that easy.

does anyone here have any tips on how to paint wet hair?

my initial idea is to basically just keep the hair as a the dark base color and then in certain spots pretty much blend it into almost complete white but idk

I just broke the nib for my wacom bamboo tablet...can I just buy any bamboo stylus and it will work on the tablet right.

>>2159848
can anyone help me? please?

>>2161073
Measure the proportions with pencil.

>>2161070
can't u replace the nib?
?????

>>2160211
looks like a tattoo gun
maybe a perm makeup pen?

>>2160211
nah its not anon, ive seen a vintage advert for one of these, but I don't remember the name.

its a precision drawing pen.
I think it can be attached to compasses too.

I have a hard time visualizing and understanding the 'cut' into the sphere when making the head/skull.
I made some lines on an image on google.
Am i doing anything wrong?

>>2160820
Find refs of wet hair (people exiting a swimming pool or beach water might be good), and see what the wet hair has in common. A lot of it will be the shape that changes, as it would cling closer to the cranium if the hair is long and thin enough. Do a handful of painting studies off these, and that will give you the tools to apply it to your own painting.

>>2161073
measure the proportions. meaning the relations.
compare landmarks, use negative space to check.

>>2160215
I can't use photobashing, when I'm working with just sketchbook and a pen.

>>2160271
>>2160283
Very nice, thank you!

If anyone's interested: in the meantime I found video with young Vilppu; it's called "Glenn Vilppu - Thumb Nails and Blocking In". It was most useful resource I found so far.

>>2161146
I am desperate for the name of the thing. While it works like a technical pen, anything with those terms just brings up standard rapidograph type stuff. While it attaches to the base like a dip-pen nib, searching stuff like that just brings up dip-pen nibs. And mentioning "reservoir" anything just pulls up coils on dip pens or replacement cartridges for other stuff.

"vintage precision drawing pen" brings up one thing really close on image search, but the thread it comes from isn't entirely helpful.

>>2161370
Although the product name I just now found in this filename has been helpful. Might at least work as a substitute.

>>2161370
I did look for that vintage image on my comp but couldn't find it.
erh gud look.

>>2161370
It's some sort of oblique holder for a technical pen, but I can't find anything about it. Judging by the look of it, I think it may have been custom made, since the cap at the end of it wouldn't fit over the part that holds the tech pen.

>>2161370
>>2161421
Never mind, I found something. Apparently it's called an adjustable joint adapter. Searching that doesn't get much so you might want to just cruise ebay looking for vintage technical pen sets.

>>2161430
"adjustable joint adapter" brought up so many different kinds of tools, plumbing, vapes, and compasses on my search. I'll try what you suggest and see if there's anything good.

My only problem with the one product I found (faber castell tg1-s) is that it looks like it uses (possibly expensive) cartridges, and the older item was something I could just dump india ink into and clean out between uses.

>>2157359
Would any of you date Sakimi? She's rich as fuck and is kind of a qt.

>>2161440
If I was a Woman I'd ask her out and if she says no I'll go to the MSM and cry hatred and homophobia and make a big scene and go on twitter and round up social justice warriors and go on a witch hunt and effectively run her name through the mud and demand hundreds of thousands of dollars of reparations under the grounds of emotional trauma and psychological distress.

If she does go out with me I would mooch the fuck out of her.

Any books that'll teach me how to draw like pic related, but better.

>>2161447
>Learn to draw
>Ignore the ref and just give her a lopsided chipmunk cheek and a fivehead.

>>2161447

setting the bar kinda low there pal

Is Scyra (youtuber) good at what is he doing? Should i follow his advices?

>>2161447
Loomis

>>2161465
>Is Scyra (youtuber) good at what is he doing?
If you mean sucking dicks... so yes? follow him

>>2161465
He's got some pretty helpful videos on his channel. As an artist, he's good, but he hasn't made that much progress in all of the years he's been doing art.

>>2161465
>Is Scyra (youtuber) good at what is he doing?
No, he's mediocre.
>>2161465
>Should i follow his advices?
Yes, most of his advices is legit.

>>2161468
>hasn't made that much progress in all of the years he's been doing art.

I've been wondering about that.
Do you think it's because he draws too anime and is also obsessed with finding "muh style"?

i know we're not supposed to talk about them on here, but I'm about to buy a refurbished companion. I want the regular one and not the hybrid because i can't imagine i would get much use out of whatever shitty apps android has for art, but i would need to somehow scrap together another $250. what's your recommendation, /ic/? Give the hybrid a chance or try and get the regular windows 8 companion?

>>2161468
>>2161465

Yep he's definitely stagnated. He comes across as humble but it seems like his ego got the better of him, subconsciously. Considering he has "made it", has a solid following and people look up to him for guidance, it makes him feel accomplished and no longer has the drive to improve.

Without youtube fame I think he would have improved a lot more focusing solely on client work and not being influenced by shitty artists asking for critique all the time.

>>2161628
Have you considered all of your alternatives?

>Hybrid
If you have a decent desktop, or see yourself getting one in the future, the hybrid can function as a cintiq 13HD - getting you more use in the long run. You can't do this with the companion 1.

>Older tablet pcs
There are lenovo thinkpad X-series, Fujitsu lifebooks, hp elitebooks(?), and many others out there that aren't that old and you could get for cheap on ebay. As long as you're doing painting, they could easily be powerful enough for your needs. I'd check out forum.tabletpcreview.com , and follow the instructions for making a recommendation thread based of your needs and budget.

>Newer slate tablet pcs
The surface pro (1-3) I hear are good, though 3 uses N-trig instead of wacom and I haven't done any recent research on how well it pans out for painting. I think I heard there were over-sampling issues that introduce a lot of jitter if you draw very slow lines.

________
Either way I'd do thorough research on the companion 1 - namely if the battery is replaceable and what the major common issues people have with the thing. I've heard the companion 2 has weirdly loud fans for example. For everything you're considering, look up the benchmarks of the CPU you'd be getting so that you have an idea of how much faster/slower any given machine might be.

>>2161675
while i do want to do painting to some extent, the main thing I'm looking at is animation. how would the older tablet pcs handle toonboom or flash?

Thoughts on CG CGMA Master Academy ? Planning to go there since there no good place to study here.

>>2161659
I don't trust your assessment of this guy, it seems more like you will never be happy with anyone on Youtube.

I'm having a hard time understanding color. When a light source is colored, like a room that is lit by candle or sunlight is shining through blue glass, what is the best technique for conveying that in digital painting? Do I lay down a "true" base color and paint a translucent blue/yellow over top it, or do I take the filter color and add a slight amount of the true color to it before painting?

>>2157359
What's a good way of making fast progress?

>>2161935
Drawing, a lot. Being critical of what your weak points are and working on them until they are no longer your weak points.

>>2161447
If you have strong fundamentals, you can analyze the style and practice it.

> study figure drawing on tablet
> this is ok
> study figure at life drawing
> suck balls

why the fuck cant my tablet skills transfer over i hate this

Don't know if this is the place to ask, but how do I get back into art? College killed my love for it, although it was just a two year I met some of the most worthless teachers and yet at the same time I met a lot of talented people that didn't even need to be there. Should I just quit and keep it as a hobby for once in a blue moon or should I try and motivate myself to practice daily again?
I guess I should ask what inspires the people here to do what they do.

>>2162197
Is one study from a photo while the other is from life? If so that's the main issue.

Otherwise you just might be too reliant on digital shortcuts, tools and workflow. It could also be a scale issue, where you're used to drawing small on a tablet instead of drawing large on a huge sketchpad.

>>2162207
Have specific concrete goals. Do those goals necessitate gitting gud? Or can art just be a hobby as it doesn't relate to your greater goals in life?

The other thing is you probably forgot to have fun with your art. Why did you get into it in the first place? Probably because it was fun at some point. Do you like drawing Master Chief riding unicorns, but you don't have the skills to do it well yet? Draw it anyway. Experiment and have fun - constant study with no fun is a good way to kill a passion, especially when your skills aren't up to par yet.

It's also okay to take a break from art if it means you'll get back into it better than ever. You're only racing with yourself - you don't need to maximize your art gains and cut everything else out of your life if you won't enjoy the process. Art is all about enjoying the journey.

>>2161927
Both approaches can work - just depends on preference. What's more important is understanding the physics of color and light. For example, in the absence of all other light sources, a perfectly red ball lit by a perfectly blue light wouldn't be some purple color, but black. This is because a pure red object is one that only reflects red wavelengths of light - since blue light has no red wavelengths, no light is reflected by the red ball.

Likewise if you have a cyan ball (Blue+Green) lit by a yellow light (Red+Green), the object will look green, because that's the only wavelength of light that's both emitted and reflected in this scenario.

In real world examples you'll rarely have a pure R,G, or B light source, or an object that's super pure in color. Most instances of the above scenarios might have you see a darkening and greatly desaturating effect compared to what you might expect.

Read through http://www.huevaluechroma.com/ . It's dense, so revisit it periodically.

>>2157359
Not sure if that's the right thread to ask but, what would you say are the minimal requirements for a laptop you're going to use for work? ( where do you need to splurge to get the best performance out of the software you're using. Nobody likes to wait ten seconds for a brush stroke to compute).

I figured /g/ wouldn't know shit besides gaming meme computer bullshit and I've always had to work with outdated hardware so I wouldn't know better.

>>2162347
Why use a laptop?.....
Cheaper to get a desktop...
Laptops aren't exactly portable.

What you need is High Ram, Okay Processor.
Shitty vid card is okay, unless you do 3d.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834318436
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834300914

when drawing on a sheet of paper, do you draw with only the desktop below your sheet of paper or do you put some more papers to make the surface softer?

>>2162385
If you're too poor for a sketchbook, Get a fucking clipboard.. Keep that shit together..

>>2162243
Thanks! I've been looking for a resource like this for a while.

>>2162385
Try both and tell me which gives you better quality lines.

How do you draw tilted things in perspective that still make visual cohesive sense? I know that it needs it's own Horizon, but it still doesn't look right.

Can anyone recommend some good books on landscapes / environments or color? Even youtube tutorials would be enough.

>>2162386
Or staple together a ton of sheets of computer paper. You're gonna look like a huge poorfag. But he probably is a poorfag because he can't afford a $5-$10 sketchbook.

are the buttons on the drawing tablets useless or am i just completely fucking retarded. i have an intuos pen and touch and ive literally never used them. whats the point if i my left hand is free and the keyboard is closer?

>>2163119
My bottom button counts as the left mouse but honestly who the fuck uses it. Top functions as the trigger for finger touching but who the fuck uses that too.

Wish there was a button for ctrl+z.

How can I get lines like this in clip studio paint or paint tool sai? These lines are common ones used for anime art, and I see them used in photoshop. Moxie2d uses these lines, too.

>>2161440

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X0Oj5zl72Q

>Yue Wang

I'd like to put my Wang in Yue.

>>2163119
Anon which tablet do you have? You can assign key commands to each button and have separate profiles for different programs. Also if you have one of the Wacoms with buttons only on one side and the ring you can flip it and put the buttons on whatever side you want and just set the tablet use mode in the preferences. Let me know I'll help with what I can.

>>2163131
Sorry I'm a tard, looking up stuff for the touch, not familiar with it only intous and cintiqs. Be back shortly for solution to your problem (hopefully).

>>2163126
I know the art is bad, but here's another example of the lines I am trying to get.

>>2161659

Idk I feel like a lot of people hate on sycra because his style is not there personal taste.

He also posts a lot of his shitty work and failures in his videos which is stuff other artists never show.

I feel like Sycra just has different goals than the artists here for the most part.

>>2163119
>>2163125
You can change them in the tablet settings. I use them for some of Photoshop's more obscure shortcut combinations tied to scripts and actions used a few times per picture.

>>2163126
Bump up the Paper texture.

>>2163137
lines? what do you mean anon? These are just thin lines that are occasionally of the "lost and found" type. It's a bit difficult to answer your question because there's nothing particularly special about the techniques used to draw those images other than the time taken to polish them and get crisp smooth cuts in the different colors. Those are likely made by using the lasso tool or masks.

>>2163137
I use the Real 2H Drafting Pencil in Corel and that looks the same except it's darker than my usual.

>>2163141
>Bump up the Paper texture.
This worked the best
Thanks

>>2163153
I meant more that they looked almost "chunky," especually the legs in both pics.

I'm planning to do a series of drawings on fish/aquarium pets and I can't think of much ideas to make it pop. It seems like I cant think of a non-bland setting for such animals.
Help?

Do people draw with a mouse?

I can't afford a scanner and a tablet.

So, I force to used a mouse.

>>2163230
Tablets cost $60

>>2163230
Why even bother? Draw on paper until you can afford a tablet.

>>2163243

I am really really poor...

I feel stupid.

how do you get past the 'my painting looks like shit' feel when its its early stages? i know the answer is git gud and work at it but still, theres a certain while where its hard to get rid of.

>>2163125
>>2163131
>>2163141
i have the intuos pen and touch small. i really like it but for the 7ish months ive had it ive never bothered with the buttons and i feel like im underutilizing it. i use at least of the switches on the pen all the time but never the buttons

>>2163271
Well as stated, you can assign key commands to the buttons in the preferences. You have the wacom device preferences driver installed right? You can go in there and edit all sorts of things on the tablet. What buttons = what key commands for which programs. Experiment and figure out what works for you. Having a small tablet is tough to utilize the buttons because your keyboard is right there as you said. I have a larger tablet so I use the buttons a lot more.

Pic related

>>2163289
i guess thats true about the tablet being smaller to so keyboard shortcuts are closer. thanks for the insight!

>>2163268
unless u have a strong internal idea of how u want ur painting to come out, it'll never get out of that 'my painting looks like shit' feel

to address this, if you're not pro-tier yet, every stage you take your image thru has to be 100% en pointe before u take it to the next stage (eg: rough sketch >> refined sketch >> lines >> flats >> rendering)

otherwise, something you let slip in one stage will totally screw with you for the rest of the process (eg: bad anatomy bc loose sketch, bad color choices during flats stage, etc)

>>2163294
Not this anon but to expand a bit more on what they said: Do several attempts before you settle on something to move forward with. Even pro artists will do sketches and studies before diving into something. Don't believe what you see on youtube and other stuff where they seem to just create something in a single go. It is possible, but you should not be afraid of trying to do something several times before settling for what you have and moving forward. If your initial sketches don't turn out well, do them again. If they still don't turn out well get some reference and try to use it to help with your sketches. Do this until your base is solid, then move onto the refining stage then the rest of it.

Doing things several times will also result in valuable practice and allow you to attempt to solve the problem multiple times. Solving a problem once does not mean you can do it again. You need to tackle something multiple times in order to master it.

>>2163212
suggestions?

>>2163364
Hard to justify helping you with creative ideas. Your job as an artist is to be creative. Try a few things out anon, different settings. Maybe settings that would be impossible for these creatures, or settings that are completely fantastical and unreal. Just start trying out as many ideas as you can think of. You can do it, we believe in you.

>>2163294
>>> lines >> flats
im not sure what these are. also, thats reassuring i just realized i have this same attitude about stuff i already finished as well

>>2162797
Anyone?
I read perspective made easy and im going through Scott Robertson's, but I don't think either had a section on this.

>>2162372
I need to be able to carry it around for job reasons.

Thanks for replying though, pretty much what I had guessed I'd need so I'll look into it.

>>2163511
its hard to tell because the rest of the drawing is fucked up in terms of perspective

>>2163532
>>2163511
can you quickly draw the objects and table from above to see how they are laid out?

>>2162797
from what little i know about perspective i'm not sure it needs its own horizon. it just needs its own pair of vanishing points since you are doing 2 point. but maybe since it is tilted it is three point (for the top and bottom planes)? either way your horizon line is your horizon line it shouldn't change no matter how your objects are oriented in the space. at least that's my understanding. perhaps a quick look through perspective made easy (in the book thread) will help?

>>2163532
>>2163532
Oh......
Where and why? I made sure that it was all in their respective cones of vision and that they matched up to their vanishing points, so I have no clue as to what I fucked up.
Could I get a redline perhaps?
>>2163543
I... actually did go through the book. It talked about roofs need their own vertical horizon line, and that each different degree needs it's own VPs but equal angles will have the same.

>>2163560
is the first object supposed to be parallel to the table?

>>2163568
ye-yes. Hindsight tells me that I probably shouldn't have tried to free hand it yet.

Is there any archival paper that feels like smooth newsprint?

>>2163258
shit tier scanners cost even less. Paper costs even less than that!
Save up money until you can buy something

Please provide a template with cylinders which one should fill with materials like iron, wood, etc. I saw one of these not so long ago on ic

>>2163675
Look up the archives.

Warosu.org/ic/

Do a search for materials or something related to your exercise, you should find them.

>>2163675
Just draw some blank cylinders you lazy turd.
Then use this.

Hi everyone, this might sound stupid but is it possible to become as good as well known artists, if you're quite bad ?

I've been practicing with 'Fun with a pencil' and 'Keys to drawing'.

Honestly, my drawings aren't good and I'd like to improve, because I'm a bit jealous of a few artists.

I could post my drawings here, to get some criticism and advice.

Or should I just make a thread ?

>>2163742
Post in the beginner thread, Best to keep it 1 drawing per hour, no body wants to see 6000x55000 pencil drawings either, so size that shit down. and make sure it's rotated..

AND THEN people will be helpful most of the time.

>>2163754
He should also note that getting even one response/criticism is hard.

>>2163761
Sorry to hear that. Not that other anon but if you ask a specific question usually a response comes around. Just have to be patient like potentially 12hours+ patient. The board is slow people, one of the slowest.

>>2163754
>>2163766

Okay, will do.

Is a resolution of 1200x1600 too big for beginner threads ?

Lastly, is it mandatory to post 1 drawing per hour or whenever ?

I'm asking because I've already made a series of drawings.

>>2163774
Put em together then... It's just more likely that' you'll get ignored if you flood the beginner thread with 10 posts

>>2163774
Do you a specific and burning question that you need to share each one with us? If so multiposting might be ok.

Don't take this the wrong way, but this isn't your blog anon. Refraining from over posting is common curtesy, unless you are dumping reference photos or works of art as part of a thread specific theme (check the catalog). You can post more than once an hour, just don't start flooding the place with work for no reason.

If you really really just want to share a bunch of images with us scale them and put them together onto a single post.

>>2163777
>>2163784
I'll crop my images and put them together on the beginner thread, because my question is not specific.

>>2163795
You're gonna go far anon. Good luck to you.

Can anyone recommend some good online atliers or illustration classes?

>>2163798
Hey thanks man, same to you.

>>2163811
Watts and schoolism. 144$ for tutorials/videos tho..

Schoolism needs to start paying me to keep shilling for em, god damn.

PERSIA.

>>2161453
>>2161457

Her neck is too thin, but I don't see anything else wrong wirh it. Unless your one of those people who think that traditional realism is the only "real" or "true" "art".

>>2163821
>Watts and Schoolism
Which one is better?

Where do I find the peter han sketch classes online?

>>2163840
Impossible to tell since schoolism is relaunching now.. When it does you can get it for 12$ a month though..

>>2163842
cg peers

How would you define a turd polisher, I just learned the term recently.

So, I'm a graphic design major that is trying to get into RISD. I applied last year, but didn't get accepted because my drawing was shit(and still is). The admissions lady at this portfolio review said if I just worked on drawing from life and got good I would get in since my graphic design work was "strong".

So, I'm going into freshman year at a local college hoping to get a 4.0 and get good at drawing so I can transfer with scholarships hopefully.

Right now, I'm following the 12week dynamic sketching with Peter Han because I found the vids online. When college starts I'm pretty planning on drawing every single day and following books.

With all that being said, what else do you recommend me doing while in college to get good?

>>2163842
Book thread, also the archives of this forum.

>>2164077
This was already answered in your other thread. Are you fishing for different answers or something?

Is school of visual arts animation program any good because the student work I see ranges from absolutely horrible to semi professional

>>2164090

No? The guy told me to ask in this thread

I got a Barnes gift card for my birthday so I'm gonna burn it on one of the Loomis books. I have the .pdf's but I prefer the hardcover and I have figure drawing already (and a billion other books). I'm going for either Creative Illustration or Successful drawing but cant really decide. Skimming through them both seem to have a lot of information but I'm stumped which to go for first. Suggestions?

>>2164116
There was a whole thread about art school just now.. uhh.. A lot of anon's are shitty :/ but we're the good kind of shitty.

>>2164125
Get Creative illustration.. hands down..

fastest way to fill in solid base colors in Photoshop?

>>2157359
Any tips for 8B pencils?

>>2164184
Use a selection tool of some sort (lasso tool, polygonal lasso tool, pen tool, etc), then use the fill command with the color you want. You could also fill an entire layer, then use layer masks and paint away what you don't want to show through until you have the shape you want. Again, selection tools will get you a sharp crisp edge very easily.

>>2164184
different methods based on what you want to do and complexity of lineart.
-fill bucket
-magic wand + fill
-lasso + fill

This sounds like such a basic thing I'm wondering if I misunderstood the question..?

>>2164151
Really? Not that you haven't swayed me in that direction, is there just any big reason? Better info, more topics, etc?

>>2164229
Its just a better book.. You'll get more bang out of it...Creative illustration is the most advanced out of the loomis series though.

>>2164244
Ah, well thank you then for the help.

Am I limiting myself by using CS3 instead of CS6?

what are some of the best/most active communities for posting art? Basically like deviantart only to my knowledge deviantart is deader than disco. Do I need to just make a tumblr blog?

>>2164315

no

Getting into water based media so I bought some heavier paper (not even 300 lbs arches, closer to 100 lbs) but it was pretty expensive.
Can I practice my washes on computer paper in the meantime? Can you stretch computer paper, will that help? Any tips on how to do that properly?

Is it ok to have just one set of brush for both watercolor and ink? Will be that fuck up the brushes?

I had three months of giving up while I was just getting through perspective.

Should I start from scratch?

>>2164399
spend a few days refreshing yourself on the concepts you were solid on before, if you run across something that you're particularly rusty on spend some time getting that back.

>>2164315
not really, but there are some brushes you can only install in cs6. in general it's always a good idea to update your software so you don't get left behind, but you're not really missing out if you don't

d/ic/s, I always feel like I don't draw nearly enough for me to improve like I should because either I am studying (i am not in a art related course) or I am too tired from either work or studying that I can't focus anymore. During my free time I tend to read art related books, trying to make the moments when I actually sit down to draw more productive. Is this a good approach? Any recomendations for this situation?

>>2164457
i think that's a pretty good approach given your situation. like just reading references when you're waiting in line or something. it builds up over time. the best way to improve is to make time for drawing and draw a lot, but if you really can't do that i think what you're doing is a good compromise

>>2164471
Thank you Anon for the answer, will try to get more time to draw anyway, but it's always good to know I have a good approach given the circunstances.

>>2164457
If you have random five minute intervals in your day when you're waiting or doing nothing you can try doing line exercises. I have pages of lecture notes filled with failed circles. Any mileage is good mileage when it comes to this stuff, I figure.

reletively happy with my construction but i really want to start/improve my contour drawings. i can do quick, basic things that are already symbols like charlie brown and other toons. where do i begin?

>>2164514
http://www.posemaniacs.com/negativespace
something like this? try doing a lot of these really quickly. but really, you should be focusing on form, not contour.

>>2164516
Not that Anon, but contour drawing is great for doodling and just drawing shit down on the go. Obviously you would want to go form over contour when doing a serious piece.

>>2164071
Sakimichan.
Sending your deviant art tier oc to a professional colorist.

Essentially someone who puts a lot of work into something to hide it's fundamentally flawed nature.

What are acceptable margins of errors for levels of skill, eg: beginner, intermediate, expert.

So I just realized I kinda lost my drive to "create" since I started drawing seriously. All I draw are tests. Like a multitude of eyes, faces, random poses and sometimes the ocasional character, but I never stick with anything until the point of completion. I just don't care if it's done or not, because I can see it doesn't look good at that point. It's not that I'm not creative anymore, I still have cool ideas, but it's not like before when I could lose myself in a concept or a world and draw a multitude of things and characters. Right now everything feels like exploration after exploration and I'm kinda tired of that. Anyone has a similar issue here?

>>2164559
I have a similar issue but I don't hate it, I enjoy learning.
What bums me out is the lack of in depth instruction for my beginner level.

I have trouble doing commissions, i have no problem finding people who'd like a sketch or something, but i always fear i may dissapoint the buyer. (i'm beginner-intermediate tier, but didn't ask much money)
any way to overcome this fear?

>>2164557
0,0,0.

quick halp ples
So this morning when i started up photoshop, ready to procastinate, i noticed that my zoom wasnt working properly.
It was in fact not working as yesterday.
Now instead of it just zooming in, it brings up a small box that i now have to drag over the area where i want to zoom in, and when i want to zoom out, i have to hold alt+Z and click away.
Tried looking for a solution on the old Google, and didnt find anything that really helped

>>2164430
yea I noticed that but the reason I use cs3 is because it runs smoother than cs6

>>2157359
Finished Fun with a pencil, I'm 45 pages in Vilpus' drawing manual.
However FwaP left me with one doubt.
Am I supposed to draw a circle then slice it every time I want to draw a face, or can I skip and draw the overall shape from the beginning? Dumb question but I hate lingering doubts.

>>2164707
of course you can skip the circle if you feel confident enough drawing faces. but i wouldn't recommend it if you are just starting out. it does help alot with placing features. even experienced artist still start out with a circle.

QUESTION: Is practicing painting from a silhouette something worth learning to do near the beginning, when painting from a line drawing comes so much more naturally? Or should I just continue starting from lines until form becomes intuitive?

What's the hip and cool place to cultivate an online portfolio?

When I was still hip and cool, dA was pretty happening, but I see that today a trending topic is literally Hetalia fanfic. Ain't my scene. Also, not a samefag. More sophisticated question from a more sophisticated anon.

>>2164707
>Yanet Garcia

mah nigga.

How many of you guys use loomis? can't I just learn to draw things without having to use a basic figure as a guide?

>>2164777
Make a tumblr and ignore the SJWs entirely. Alternatively just make your own website, dawg.

>>2165212
Basic figures are essential to properly dividing the head for a beginner. If the eyes are too close to the nose, the tilt of the head doesn't match the location of the eys, the chin is to deep. In other words the loomis method will help your drawings not look uncanny.

>>2158425
Might be a little late to this, but are you a novice in terms of your animating skills or your experience with Toon Boom?

>>2157359
Seriously, how do I get rid of symbol drawing completely? I can't figure it out.

Say, I think of drawing a nose and immediately I end up stuck, doing whatever. I don't have as much problems with eyes, but I tend to overfocus on making them to please me.

The only thing that I know, is that my best drawings (so far) seems to happen when I'm some kind of trance, where I completely lose track of shit and that my mind become rather silent. The problem is that I don't know what or how to trigger the damn thing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Whenever I paint anything from a reference photo, I divide it with a grid into nine squares and do the same on my paper, so I can get an indication of where everything should be.
I tried doing it free hand, without a grid, and it turned out horribly.
I know that the obvious answer is practice, but is there anything else I can do to help me?

>>2165212
i put off reading loomis/hogarth for years because i thought i was just fine without it. but i bought the books recently and really sat down with them. i haven't read everything cover to cover, but i can already see a HUGE improvement in my drawings/anatomy.

of course it doesn't have to be loomis, and you can learn to draw in other ways, but there's a reason artists recommend these books so much. it's worth checking out, they're all in the art book thread anyway.

I've been going hikki mode to art and I've got the general ideas of fundamentals, just not good at it.
I regretfully didn't spend that time to also look up art jobs. The only one I know of is people per hour which gives me an opportunity for shitty artists like me to get money.

The only thing I know is that you constantly communicate and somehow land yourself to a job of drawing and painting something.
Is there anything else I should know of, I know I'm really lacking in something.

>>2165314
"somehow landing yourself a job" isn't how it happens to people online, contrary to how it may seem. these people work their asses off, draw a lot more than what you see online, and focus on something to be good at. i know we all hate thinking about the future, but you have to visualize some sort of goal and work towards that. asking people with specific experience (the job you want) will give you a clearer picture of what steps to take, and maybe that'll help more than advice from some rando on 4chan.

just keep drawing, and put your stuff out there. get better, master those fundamentals, talk to other artists. surrounding yourself with people who are better than you at art is a damn good way to improve. but whatever works for you, man. there is no secret, you just need pencil mileage, networking, and maybe a little luck.

>>2164559
Yes and no. I've been at this for a while, been through a bunch of phases including rigorous study with shit ideas and rapid ideation while I let my studies lapse. Making lots of drawings is better fro learning than polishing a few from what I've read, if that's any comfort to you. This counts for both study and coming up with good material. In any case, trust your instincts. You'll know what you're working towards when you see it start to happen.

>>2165314
While it is extremely common for people to stumble outside the field they aimed for, they do still usually have specific goals to start with, and specific strategies aiming towards those goals. Finding someone in your field and just asking how they got there is a good start. The specifics will vary a lot. For example, residencies and gallery representation probably won't do you much good if you're looking for storyboarding work.

Since this is where I ask questions that don't deserv their own thread, I'm here with the big fish of question: ARTIST USERNAMES. Or any username in general.

>How did you get yours?
>How do I get mine?
>What's a good method to make yourself a nice username?
>etcetera

What's an interesting project to get used to a digital tablet? of course "just draw a lot" is a valid advice, but a specific project that gives you limits and perhaps a schedule sounds more fun and productive, something that comes to mind is creating a short comic, or drawing a specific category of animal/character/something else every day or something like that. Any interesting suggestions for that kind of project or game or whatever? not just for me though, for the whole board. Share your shit guys.

>>2165853
Just find a name you enjoy and add numbers to the end because someone else has already taken the original.

>mfw everytime there's already a "420darksephiroth69"

Picking something related to a fandom you intend to pander too or a japanese name helps too.

Okay so, I don't think i can draw anything good, just because i've got nothing in my mind and i can't make it look different, and also how should I study Loomis and what books should i steam from the internet?

Anyone know where I can find a square smudge brush for ps to imitate a oil paint effect,use at around 25 45 of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BbIDP-Ad_E
,pardon my inadequate explanation.

I want to become a professional character designer so to start off i want to create a kinda timetable of what I should be studying. I was hoping somebody could tell me in which order i should learn stuff like anatomy or life drawing and all that so i dont waste time.

Anyone would like to share the secret to avoid turning insane while working on the fundamentals everyday?

Doing 15 pages of stupid shit like planes, boxes, ellipses and so on is driving me nuts. After these exercises I don't even want to draw anymore because this shit sucks any motivation and inspiration out of me. I don't even see progress!

>>2165984
why are you drawing those even? what do you need to improve?

>>2165985
>what do you need to improve?
Everything.

My circles aren't properly round or sometimes go through the containers, my superimposed lines are always deviating from each others and so on. My boxes clip with each others etc.

>>2165984
You learn to love the craft

>>2165984
keep the tv on while you do it.

if it gets too intolerable, stop, draw something else, then get back to it when you feel like you can. it's all about developing a strong stoke down the line, so as long as you're doing it every day it doesn't have to be in one big chunk.

>>2165996
Maybe if I continue to do it everyday, I might definately turn irrational enough to like these exercises.

>>2165998
Alright, thanks.

>>2165267
Do:

Drawing with the Right Side of the Brain by Betty

or

Keys to Drawing by Bert

I've heard DwtRSotB is more pseudo and I've heard people push Keys to Drawing.

>>2165267
Do you draw with head phones on or a tv nearby?
If so, stop doing that.
To get in the mood do warm ups, basic gesture drawing or just the lines, arches and elipses from peter hans class will work. 5-10 minutes of that will get the brain working, light hand stretching also helps a great deal.

Also, you should use a reference or two if you're drawing eyes and noses as a beginner. It's how you build up a visual library so that you're not just drawing an oval with eye lashes. You need to perceive the eye as a 3d object infront of you with your mind then draw the part that you could see from your perspective. If you're doing that it's no longer symbol drawing.

How do I go about making an anime version of someone? Are there any loomis/vilppu type books that the japanese use for anime and manga that you guys can recommend? All I have drawn for the last few years are realistic drawings.

>>2166194
I don't believe there's a formula for "anime", it's too wide and it goes from generic bug eyes+pointy chin+big head+unhealthily small noses, etc. to more crazy realistic but abstract things like for example Pong-The Animation. You can go with a specific style of a specific manga artist or a specific series or a specific animation studio, for that just pick the one you like the most and study what makes them what they are. I don't know a whole lot about anime or japanese culture or whatever but if you asked me about Japan artists' style, I'd guess they almost automatically have an "anime" style in any shape or form thanks to the overexposition to anime and manga in a lot of media. Or something like that. It's like an accent... a visual accent maybe?

But don't mind me, that's just how I see it and how I would do it. Good luck though.

Studying eyes set in a face always makes me feel uncomfortable. It's fine when they're cropped and taken out of the face but I've reached a point where I can't do that any more. Measuring and blocking values for everything else is fine, it's just the eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get over this?

>>2166608
do you mean looking at eyes makes you uncomfortable or that you can't draw eyes on the face correctly?

>>2161436
>>2161370
>>2160211
Unclog it then you bell end, alcohol soak or a lighter should dissolve or burn away any ink that's left in there.

>>2161436
you cant just put india ink in it, it will dry and clog it every minute you arent using it. you have to use some kind of fountain pen ink

>>2166615
I have no emotional problems trying to draw eyes in a face from imagination. This only happens when I'm studying from faces. Looking at photos of eyes are fine, but I just freeze up when they're in a face. I can mark where they are when I'm measuring and slap a base value down, but I can't go into any more planes past that. The end result is that I can't draw eyes on the face since I don't know their forms.

>>2166644
could you show an example of a drawing where you couldn't go any further?

>>2166629
>>2166624
Huh. Thanks for that. I will try those things out.
>fountain pen ink
What's the difference? Do you have a specific recommendation? I know very little about this stuff, and haven't used my old nibs in ages.

Is it better to block in the sweater or am I doing something right with the lines? I don't want to go any further with the lines if it's going to look terrible in the end. I'm planning on making them go in the direction that is in the ref, which will be in the next post.

Please ignore the screwed up eyes, they will be fixed in the final version.

>>2166887

What is a good method to practice/learn how to properly draw boxes, spheres, and cylinders in perspective? I can't seem to visualize them clearly enough to do it from imagination and though I do have some boxes, there's only so many positions I can really have them in and draw at the same time.

>>2166887
I think you should block the sweater, it's the same value as the hair.If you're not sure, maybe photocopy the drawing and test it out first.

>>2166941
Alright, I'll block it in! I guess the collar part would've stuck out too much if I didn't. Thanks, anon.

>>2166950
nonono don't block it in.
Although other anon is right that sweater is same (or almost same) value as the hair, there are many value changes in it that indicate the folds.

They are more significant than the pattern that you are focusing on. If you are going to treat the whole sweater with those strokes in >>2166887 it's not gonna turn out well imho.

Think more about how you will indicate the areas of shade and light on the sweater, otherwise it will turn out looking very flat and you will have wasted a lot of your time. Of course you can darken/lighten the shading after you apply the texture, but I think that's inefficient. Better to plan a bit more in the beginning what you want to do with the big values. I think the hair is nice.

How important are nibs? Should I buy a lot?

>>2167356
You can legit make nibs out of other materials, my favorite is lawn trimmer wire the same diameter as the nib
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWnJk8KqgCs

>>2167359
You just saved my wallet from disaster. Going to Home Depot now.

>>2166159
>Do you draw with head phones on or a tv nearby?
I definately have music(ambient music, etc) or some random videos I've seen about 500 times so I already know what happen.

I do that because I just cannot handle the room being silent, I need noise, without it I feel dead inside.

Thanks!

>>2166159
Not that Anon, but listening to music or a TV on the side actually helps with the drawing and can let me work literally for hours. Like this Anon
>>2167370
I can't handle the silence due to personal reasons. I tried many times but found I work better with taytay or proko and jeff talking in the background. I even tried listening to Mad Max while drawing and it was fun.

What is your process when you do digital work? Do you sketch>line>paint or sketch>paint or just paint? I'm trying to find the right way to do it.

>>2167364
Heheheh...yessss goyim go buy a non certified foreign object in replacement for an official wacom approved nib that meets manufacturer specifications good goy wear down your drawing tablet faster so you can buy another one!

>>2167540
That's a rather convoluted conspiracy. I, mean the Jews win either way in this scenario.

>>2167480
Different people have different preferences, and even then the same artist can use different approaches depending on the end results they want. Try them all out for yourself and see what you enjoy and what consistently gives you good results.

I personally like to sketch>paint most of the time. A line art step takes tons of time and I don't enjoy working with lines digitally. You then have to invest more time getting rid of the lines for the most part if you want a painterly look. It can help solve complex forms early on though.

Some people can just jump into paint well, but more often than not that leads me to drawing problems. It's also tricky to paint when you haven't established any framework on the canvas of what you're painting. A sketch solves some of the drawing problems, leaving you to think mostly about light, value, color and edges. Figuring out drawing with all of that simultaneously is difficult and inconsistent.

>>2157359
What type of brushes do Mullins and Ruan Jia use for their paintings?

>>2166960
Thanks for the tips! I'm a beginner at values (only recently bought a pencil set in different shades), so the transition here isn't as smooth as I'd like it to be.

But I don't regret removing those lines. That was a bad idea.

Is this what you had in mind? Any more tips or critique at this point?

are thumbnails really necessary if you're naturally good at composition?

Hello. Where can I find any info on intersections of forms?

>>2167759
Don't know about Mullins, but I imagine Jaime's old brush set has at least a handful from there. You should be able to find Jaime and Ruan's brush sets online (although they're probably not current). They've been posted on this board too multiple times, so search warosu for them.

Are there any tips on drawing diverse facial features and head shapes, I'm avoiding development on same face/head shape syndrome

Can someone please explain how I can practice painting with color? Should I draw from life? Are there any books for understanding color?

>>2168092
Observe and draw a variety of people - preferably from life if you can. It may help do do a slight caricature of each head you draw, or at the very least pay attention to what makes a given head unique compared to the idealized average model head you've developed internally. Draw people in parks, at bus stops, in coffee shops, etc.

You can also find a variety of faces online if you know where to look. You don't want photoshopped photos of models, or friends posing for facebook photos. Instead you want candid photos in natural lighting. I think you can find that on flickr. The photos I'm thinking of are like these:
http://oh-hi.info/2014_9-12/?from=B0039620-y600px.jpg
Not every photo is good of course, but skipping around you should be able to find plenty of faces for quick studies. Focus on shape and proportion - not lighting, color or rendering. Try to fill sketchbook pages with many heads. Try to invent new heads from memory based on what you studied previously - or go in a new direction altogether.

The gist is play around with shapes and proportions. Don't stick to a rigid construction model for the head, but instead morph and adapt it to suit your needs for any given head.

How the fuck do I get work???

>>2168109
(1/2)
Resources that talk about color to varying extents:

>http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

>Color and Light by James Gurney
A lot of the material in this can be found on his blog as well. It's more so explaining light phenomenon and talking about color and palettes. It's not a step by step guide or anything.

>http://www.huevaluechroma.com/
This one is very dense and technical. You'll have to revisit it multiple times, as you'll learn something new each time.

_____

Here's a general approach I'd recommend for learning color. First, get some basic knowledge on how color and light works. Next comes practice observing color from life.

Color can be dividing into three dimensions: hue, value and chroma (or hue, brightness, saturation if you're thinking in terms of digital painting software). Value is the only component that can be represented well on it's own, and it goes a long way towards a good/believable picture. Study that first and gain some proficiency. Paint still lifes (from life, not photos), but do them in grayscale. What value does the lit portion of the red mug on your desk look like to you? What value is the shadow portion? It can help to think about (or physically hold in front of you) a square of pure white or pure black next to the object to try to place it accurately on the value scale.

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Once you have that down moderately well, you can move into limited palettes. Here you want to focus on learning color temperature (warm vs cool). Most color shifts are often a temperature shift: Graying a yellow cools it, while adding a vibrant red warms it. If you're working traditionally, here you'd want to make your palette from blending black, white, a warm red, and a cool red (do some research on which pigments are warm and cool). Now paint still lifes like in the step before. Not only do you have control over value, but now also saturation and temperature. Ask yourself about temperature shifts: is the shadow side of the red mug only darker in value, or is it also a cooler temperature? Do this until you're proficient.

Next you can work in more expanded palettes. Gurney has a few posts on gamut masking that's relevant: http://pastebin.com/rQ2EVg4J . You can also opt to work without that limitation, as what you essentially have now that the previous step didn't is a wider hue range. The same principals of value and color temperature apply. Do a ton of still lifes until you become proficient.

Remember that color is relative - it's not so important that you get the absolute colors accurate, but instead get your color relationships accurate. Working with paints for example, you cannot get a white as bright as an actual light source in front of you, or a dark that's darker than your black pigment. You've always been working with a limited palette in a sense, but the successful studies likely got the color relationships correct.

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That should get you started with understanding color, observing it accurately, and reproducing it accurately. That said, you want to make sure that your drawing skills are up to par before worrying about value or color. Always focus on the most basal skill that needs work instead of jumping ahead.

Now if you wanted to learn color theory for inventing colors - there are a few resources out there but I don't recall any to recommend. Just pay attention to how colors operate in real life, and do a ton of master studies of paintings with strong color usage. Always think about contrast, not just in value but contrast in hue and in saturation. Think about how much contrast you're using, and where. A smart usage of contrast should yield a visually appealing picture.

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Thank you so much. This really helped me out on how to aproach color. Gonna save your post and links. Thanks again!

>>2168152
Depends on the type of work you're looking for, and if your skills are good enough for those clients. For example, if you wanted to do card art for MTG, you'd first better be sure that your work is on that level. The next step is thinking about the business side of things, and actually doing things that a business owner would do to procure clients. Any given industry has it's own norms for how people get work. Clarify your goals and your skill level and maybe another anon can help out.

>>2168064
Found them, thanks Anon.

are there places besides /ic/ and /co/ or 4chan where you get feedback on stylized illustrations or comics?

I just had a pretty nasty hdd failure, does anyone have the recent archive of paint tool sai with the hardblush/onta brushes and transparent png support?

The version of sai on my backup is ancient as hell.

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any work that pays somewhat decently really. what steps are those? what steps would i have to follow to get any concept art work whatsoever? and what to get illustration work, say mtg, or any other really? lets assume my skill leve is fine.

>>2168235
If it's freelancing you might want to check out Art of Freelancing, but I highly recommend listening to related episodes of the Seanwes podcast. I believe Clint Cearley should have a video on breaking into the art industry as well.

For freelance work, you want to put your work out there and market yourself, but you also want to send out your portfolio to the big name clients - namely the art directors. Note that it can months before you even hear back from any of them assuming your work is good. If you do get hired, then it's a matter of being a pleasure to work with, doing a good job, doing it on time or early, and being a professional. That will secure more work in the future.

Again, I can't give better specifics than that as I myself am still on the polishing the portfolio stage, but I'm probably delusional about my skill level as well. Just in case, be sure to compare your work side by side with what your prospective client publishes, and be honest whether you match that caliber of work (close probably won't cut it).

>>2157359
I need a qt to draw. Can somebody hook me up?

>>2168434
Just go ask your mom.

Is it bad to stylize your drawings early on or should I only start to stylize after I git gud?
pic related

is the huion smudgegaurd as good as the name brand ones?

>>2168447
It depends on what you're after. It's true that knowing what you're stylizing helps your style better, but if you find it more engaging to study in your style then by all means. You can always go back and study realism.

>>2168447
I study and grind fundamentals while study and have fun with style when I get the chance.

>>2168447
Looks like you're trying to rip off Sycra, who's got one of the worst styles in the business, and a gaping hole in his fundamentals.

>>2168545
>and a gaping hole in his fundamenta
Except he doesn't. His right up there with Proko on his knowledge of fundamentals. Why else would he have so many tutorials.

Probably a stupid question here. Recently I've really got into oil painting, but whenever I want to make something really good I have to sketch on the canvas first with greylead to get it right. Obviously painting over the lead fucks up the colour of the paint and smudges the lead around. What should I be doing instead to avoid this?

>>2168559
Heh, not falling for that one.

Is it cheating or bad practice to try to understand something by drawing over it. I feel like it is ok but I don't want to develop bad habits and this can really only be done in digital so I'm curious.

This is a hobby for me btw.

>>2168618
>Is it cheating or bad practice to try to understand something by drawing over it.
Not at all. It'd only be bad practice if that's literally all the practice you ever do.

>>2168618
It's called tracing and it can be done with tracing paper. The way you're using it is a pretty common technique for understanding 3d space and is mostly used on people. Like >>2168621 says, don't rely entirely on it and never construct dynamic things that way.

>>2168574
Workable fixative should prevent the smudging, I think.

>>2168574
I've been taught in the past to sketch with paint. If you're painting from imagination, you could sketch it out on paper and use that for reference.

Who draws girls the best? No porn though.

>>2162797
Whatchu do dawg is figure out the rotation of the box by placing its 2 vanishing points
Then draw a vertical line that intersects the left most vp
Somewhere on that vertical line, place a point...a vp3. In this case, vp3 will be below the horizon.
Now connect any lines that would travel away from you to vp3 and create the tilted box

Tl;dr rotate the box on the X,Y axis then tilt along the Z axis by using an auxiliary vanishing point.

What are some good exercises for improving line quality?
Like not chicken scratching?

>>2168767
Jk
I fucked up
Just make an ellipse and rotate every point the same degree

It's late

About how many people on the board exclusively draw non-anime looking art? Just curious.

>>2168804
Oh, estimates say roughly 125 out of the 324 daily /ic/ visitors post images, out of those 125 99% post anime.

Anyone here have that image of boxes aligned in different perspectives?

I just upgraded form a Bamboo to a Huion h610. I installed the drivers , started to use it and noticed the lines came out sort of jitterish (Both in SAI and Photoshop). did I fucked up during installation? anything you recommend me to do to fix this?

>>2168825
make sure windows ink is off. Also make sure that you uninstalled the other drivers you're not using, and also make sure flicks is off.

Good luck

>>2168831
already done, maybe I just have to charge the pen some more time, as it says in the manual
"if the line is unstable it means you have to charge"
i should´ve probably read that thing before making a post here...
oh well,Thanks btw!

>>2168545
I'm not trying to literally "rip off" Sycras style. I'm indeed influenced by him, because I'm watching him for some years now, and I like his messy/sharp style. Also I never analyzed any of his drawings to apply his style on my drawings. I just happen to like sharp and messy stuff.

What are some good alternatives to deviantart?

Does anyone know which manga face proportion guide is the best? There are so many different ones out there.

Once I get to this point, I'm not really how to go further. I know it looks unfinished because of it's lack of detail, but I just don't know where to start

>>2170087
Why not go for squid details? Take a peek at the texture and coloration of squids. right now everything looks really doughey, primarily from the texture you've got going on with the brush.

> I just don't know where to start
This is basically just a lack of a visual library. keep at it, and make sure to do some texture studies, since that and light bounce/light scattering seem to be your biggest blocks right now.

Don't be afraid to cross reference and work with other brushes,as well.

i doubt this exists but im wondering if there's such a tool or function in photoshop that does this.

lets say im painting a spherical object and i have all the hue/values/saturation down but i need to paint a repeating design/pattern on it thats going to go all the way around, and obviously through all the different colors/values.

is there such a tool that can 'pull values from up ahead' continuously so you dont have to keep painstaking picking the values that are darker/lighter than the area youre painting on?

>>2170087
maybe try brightening it and adding some cave background?

>>2170203
multiply tool, half opacity. Works wonders for that sort of thing.

>>2170214
wow that is fucking fantastic, exactly what i needed. im guessing this would also be good for adding color to a drawing done in greyscale as well?

>>2170224
yeah but it's hard to get it right without a lot of layering. It also messes with the shading a bit with a grayscale, but I'd play around with it a bit. Overlay's better for coloring grayscale, since it doesn't mess with the values as much.

Can you recommend any good excersises to improve my line quality on a tablet? I'm doing alright on paper but i have real problema when switching to a tablet.

>>2170315
What grip are you using? My traditional grip is overhand and digital is elevated tripod. I found that using the tripod grip without being planted is the hardest grip to learn. The line control came with practice for me. Maybe trying doing the Peter whatever exercises on your tablet.

When I'm high I draw like an ASS. I fucking suck when I'm high. But when I'm sober I'm a pretty good draftsman. Weed doesn't even make me creative. This is different than advertised. Is it only me?

how do i improve my line weight?

Does the mirror method work? I flipped a figure drawing I did and the face looks alien to me.