/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

if you're at a convention go for fanart.
people are at a convention because they're fans of certain series, and if they're in the art section its because they want things of said series. They might get some original stuff if its just absolutely amazing, but typically they'll stick to the things they're used to.

>>2153888
That's the way Ive always seen it, but everything I've read today makes it seem like cons have restrictions on selling fan art.

I doubt anyone would buy my original work, so I'm doubtful about investing in prints of them

>>2153902
I suppose comic cons would have a worse time on that that anime cons. I haven't personally been to comic cons so I wouldn't know much, I just know the Japanese are way more lenient with the copyright when it involves fandoms

>>2153884
They usually have a rule about mass production. Avoid Otakon, they had some bullshit fanart policies if I remember correctly.

were you at anime expo

>>2153910
There was almost zero original work at the last comic show I went to. One guy was selling his own comic, but that's it. I think the crowds there are more "collector" minded, and don't necessarily go for the art.

>>2153914
I read about that. What a shit show

>>2153939
Nope.

>>2153884
Would you by any chance care to share your work?
I've always wanted to but am a little afraid I'm not at the level yet of selling things.
The last con I went to (as a regular congoer) it seemed like it was 90% young amateur artists who were super bored cause it was just way too saturated for them to make any money.

>>2153884
Post work or GTFO.

>>2154020
Not anon but Anime Expo is pretty much a goldmine with all the rapid weabs and what not. Sell prints of something popular at $15 a pop and you're pretty much set.
I even saw Sakimi in person at her booth.

So does comic-cons have policies about selling fanart? If yes what are they?

>>2154036
>>2154040

This was one of my more popular prints.

I don't think you have to be talented to make any money, because all of us ranged from average to bad skill-wise. It was mostly about the "idea" behind your print. Of course, I've never done a bigger con, so I have no idea how that works, which is why I am asking.

>>2154420
I don't think so. Every time I go, there is nothing but fan art for sale. I've never heard of a comic or anime con having restrictions on what the artists could sell outside of adult stuff, or drawings they didn't do themselves.

>>2154420
Technically it's fanart is illegal. since you are taking copyrighted characters and works and selling them without permission. Of course you can always claim fair use, and it's easier to get more leeway if you aren't mickicking the style dead on. Although most companies don't mind fanart and think it's good for their business. In general western companies like Disney, Marvel, DC etc. are more protective about stuff like this, while eastern companies tend to be ok with it. IF you want to sell your Wolverine or Superman fan art then feel free to do so, just don't be surprised when a lawyer gives you a cease and desist, although they only apply to that single location you are selling at at the time.

>>2154071
is she a qt?

>>2154472
Hi David.

>>2154701
Anon, is that you?

why level of quality sells well in cons and AA's and what not?

>>2154827
>why
I meant what

>>2154827
>>2154829

semi-professional

anything lower don't even bother

>>2154925
What does semi-pro look like

>>2155000
If you're asking then you aren't there yet

>>2155008
you're literally retarded.

>>2154472
That is advanced amateur level. You can really sell prints of shit like that?

>>2155106
>That is advanced amateur level
I said we were all beginner to average skill-wise. Definitely no one /ic/ would consider professional there. Haven't done a big anime con, though.

>You can really sell prints of shit like that?
Yes. The venue was tiny. Like about 100 visitors over the 6 hours I was there, but I made a few hundred dollars.

>>2154925
>>2155000
I'd also like to know what semi-pro looks like.

>>2153884
I've done several small one or two day cons, and I've come to realize, that the word con itself, it true to its definition.

Stay away from bigger cons. Most movie and large publishing house companies already run those conventions, places like San Diego Comic Con, New York Comic Con and AX. Unless you have a good thousand dollars to spend on a booth, I'd focus on smaller local based cons near your area, but be weary of those as well.

Everything is marked up over 500 percent. I found out, after having payed 300 dollars for a small 2x8 table at a local convention, that the "space" itself, was free and already in the hotel premises. The convention that I signed up for, had only payed 5 dollars to the host hotel to rent out that said table.

Bullshit, right? Wait, it gets even better.

Everyone and their grandmother focuses on fan art - some that's poorly drawn, overpriced and showcased to nauseating amounts. Most artists (I included) draw one piece of work, take it to a local print shop (someone we've come to befriend in most cases) and have the prints made for as less as 79 cents a copy, and then jack up the price by 1500 percent.

Make a print for 79 cents, and then sell it for 15 dollars. Makes sense, right.

Fan art, getting shut down at a con, is rare unless there is proof that the art in question, is copied, line for line, ink for ink, color for color.

Some conventions cater to the "Original Character" crowd, but based purely on the money they could potentially lose in artist alley and vendor table sales. Most "original artists" bitch and complain because their work isn't selling, but my poorly drawn Harley Quinn, is.

Despite all the negativity however, there are positives thrown about. As a buyer, I look for artwork that is drawn, not printed. Even the traditionally drawn stuff, priced reasonably for about the same price as a print, is the stuff I look for.

If it's poorly drawn though, I leave it alone.

>>2156889
You sound salty as fuck, but god damn, I had no idea that cons did that kind of shit.

Or you go to shitty cons.

>>2156889
>Make a print for 79 cents, and then sell it for 15 dollars

You are not selling the value of the paper, you are selling the value of your artwork + supplies + table + gas +parking costs

>>2154472
>advanced amateur
>cartoony proportions
>no background
>random values
do you guys really think that anyone gives a fuck about if you're"avanced" or whatever? there are just two rules: people must like the subject and the picture must attract attention more than the others by being flashy and attract more attention than the others
that is all

>>2156889
AX isn't too bad if you're at a pretty good level. Of course, be prepared to get outshined by people like Sakimi and Yanimator, but its not so bad since they'll run out first. There were lots of amateurs this year though, and it makes me wonder why they would dump so much money into a table when they knowingly won't make a profit.

>>2153884
Reminder that there's people that became rich and famous drawing crap like op picture
you can do it anon

I just realzed... sakimichan gets 30k dollars every two weeks through patreon shit...

>>2156889
How do I make a print for 0.79c ?
are these postcards?

The quotes I've got so far for full color 6x4 is like 3$

>>2157272
Wtf are you on about. You are saying the same thing he said, only you sound like a whiney bitch that cant read

>>2157275
>be prepared to get outshined by people like Sakimi
kill yourself

>>2157789
Are you retarded or something.

ayyy

About those prints doe, Where can I get prices like 79 cents?.. Lemme kno :/

>>2156925
No, you're selling a print for 15 dollars that costs 79 cents to print.

Let's break that down.

Value of the artwork = 0 dollars. You work on it on your computer once. And then you mass produce it, unless you're arrogant and think your artwork is a gift from the gods. It's not. It's a fucking print, get over yourself.

Value of the art supplies = 0 dollars. The print shop is supplying all the paper.

Value of the table - Free, depending on the venue and the catering service they provide. Unless the catering service is not included in the contract, an outside source usually charges anywhere between 10 and 30 dollars per booth. The convention then jacks up the price by about 100 to 200 dollars. Instant savings.

Value of gas - Per gallon. Do the smart thing like team up with a few artists, share the cost of gas, and travel as a team. Unless you like to be a "lone wolf", then you're stupid.

Value of parking costs - Most conventions make a deal with the host hotel and any adjacent parking lot facilities to include fee in their Artist Alley/Vendor price contract, unless they don't, then you're dealing with a shit convention that just cares about charging you for the air you breathe alone.

Your poor excuses are now null and void, from someone who's been to conventions as a guest, as an artist, and who's worked as an artist alley coordinator/director.

Any artist stupid enough to rely on conventions alone as their primary source of income, will starve within three months.

>>2157275
Most of those artists are sponsored by big companies like Copic, Staedler, Faber-Castell, Wacom and a shit ton of others. If you don't have a sponsor, prepare to get your ass handed to you by those artists who do.

>>2157368
She's sponsored, and the artists don't make the money, the companies they work for do. Nobody gets payed 30 thousand dollars every two weeks for artwork, wake up.

So you're telling me Sakimi makes 1,440, 000 dollars a year on Patreon alone? No artist makes that kind of money on sites like that. Ever.

>>2158015
Stop being fucking lazy. Go down to your local print shop and make friends with the owner.

I get my prints printed for 79 cents each when I buy 25 dollars worth of prints or more.

I don't even pay for my tables anymore. What's the secret? Make friends with the convention group. Offer your services as a PANELIST, and they comp your table for free.

Uh oh, did I just give out more convention secrets? Oh no...lol

>>2158284

Hey man.. I'm not lazy....

I live in like the middle of nowhere.. so far the two print shops near me closed down.. I found another one about 5 miles away.. gonna bike there tomorrow probably.

Ive been told to go to artist's alley, and maybe get like a spot with them..

I don't know though I'm one of those 0 Fan art, shitty OC people.. so my stuff probably won't sell..

>>2158279
If she gets 60k a month, how does that add up to 1mil? Isn't it more like 720k?

>>2158270
>Value of the artwork = 0 dollars
It's not arrogance, you just suck. Artists selling prints is not a new thing. The fact that you would think otherwise makes me the you are fat and bitter.

>Value of the art supplies = 0 dollars. The print shop is supplying all the paper.
You pay for the paper when you buy the print. Are you fucking dumb? Have you never done this. It's not free you sack of shit.

>Value of the table - Free, depending on the venue and the catering service they provide.
It is literally NEVER free at any con worth mentioning. Unless you know someone or win a table, you fucking pay for it. A mid-sized con will charge 150-180 for a table. Blame it on the con if you want, that does not change the cost.

>Value of gas - Per gallon. Do the smart thing like team up with a few artists, share the cost of gas, and travel as a team.
Which is why most tables come with 2 seats. But then again, I am surprised you are not arguing that this is somehow free.

>Value of parking costs - Most conventions make a deal with the host hotel and any adjacent parking lot facilities
lol fucking no.

>Your poor excuses are now null and void, from someone who's been to conventions as a guest, as an artist, and who's worked as an artist alley coordinator/director.
You have got to be kidding me. Being a guest means nothing. Being a coordinator/director means that you put names on a spreadsheet.

Talk all you want, but you probably produced crappy artwork at 1 con and now you're bitter because you think everyone else is to blame. Definitely not your art, right? I bet you took nothing but OC's of highschool teir characters and you think other people suck because they sell fan art.

>>2158284
Jesus Christ, this reeks so much passive-aggressiveness it hurts.
Get the stick out of your ass.

there's lots of talk here about prints, but what about crafts?
I've been thinking about selling some dolls. I've already tested out some of my designs online, and I've gotten good reviews.
But I'm not sure how that will go at an anime convention because whenever I've gone to cons I never buy crafts (because I know that If I really wanted something I could just make it myself), but that's just my perspective on it.

>>2158428
Office depot. Prints will cost anywhere from 50c each, to 1.50 for the larger ones. No minimum order.

>>2159289
Hnnnnnnnggh thanks anon! This actually looks like a legit solution there is one within 15 miles of me

>>2158588
Someone had their autism triggered. Way to fall for it, faggot.

I bet half that shit was bait. lol

>>2158588
lol, wut

>>2158588
I haven't seen a bait like that in a long time, /ic/. Had me fucking laughing for about 3 minutes.

u at avcon?

>>2158284
what an arrogant cunt lol

>>2160144
Newfag.

>>2157275
>Of course, be prepared to get outshined by people like Sakimi and Yanimator,
Lol
Flashy puerile trash.

>>2155106
>You can really sell prints of shit like that?
To be honest most art at convention alleys looks a lot worse unless it's one of the big cons.

>>2158279
Wait wut? She's "sponsored" meaning she has to fork over all the patreon bux she makes to wacom or copic?

Does that mean that Michael Jordan isn't fucking rich and all the money he ever made from basketball went to Hanes underwear company?

Someone doesn't know how sponsorship works.

>>2159216
/cgl/ usually has an AA thread with craft makers, it's also a lot more helpful than this dump. I'd check there.
In my experience I've seen dolls sell before, it just depends on the con. Crafts are more expensive than prints so young weebs probably can't afford it.