/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

probably. Post work, i'm curious.

>>2141329

Here's my contribution to the thread

>>2141336
Looks neat, tbh. I always use the Tripod, like halfway through the pencil, if i dont i push too hard on delicate parts.

Man, there is no rule in drawing or any kind of art, but, in the long run, this is gonna fuck your hand.

Also, drawing witch charcoal is gonna be a nightmare.

>>2141348
fuck my hand how? Like arthritis or something?

>>2141354
Yep. Carpal tunnel and a lot of other shit, train overhand grip, see if you like it.

>>2141357
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuck

>>2141339
>toothbrush
what???

>>2141339
This is like my grip, only without the thumb tucked in. I also don't draw with a toothbrush but that's a personal preference.

>>2141357
I could be wrong, but I don't think that's true. Carpal tunnel is mostly about how you move your wrist, not how you move your fingers. As for arthritis, is that even a thing artists get? I hear of tons of artists wither carpal tunnel, but I never heard of one with finger arthritis and I never read that repetitive activity can cause it.

Nevertheless, that grip is still retarded though and you should fix it.

>>2141384
its not the repetitive activity, is muscle atrophy, not arthritis, he's gonna cling his hand for long times(see in my post >in the long run), also, is pretty difficult to NOT use your wrist with that grip.

Also tendinitis.

And my personal opinion is, it's dumb, dont use that, train diferent grips, you should never force your joints for long times in the same position, in any kind of exercise, ever.

>>2141391
Shit, just correcting myself, IT IS ARTHRITIS, but for different reasons, you can fuck your joints that way too.

Mine's pretty strange, too. It doesn't really matter, as long as your grip works for you.

>>2141395
My nigga. Everyone gives me shit for gripping my pen like that.

pretty normal i think

>>2141395
>>2141399
Same bros

>>2141309
it does look pretty retarded, yes.
but whatever floats your goat

who /lefty/ here?

>>2141309
i don't understand how this gives you any kind of control.
is there anyone who has this grip who can also draw well? i don't believe it.

>>2141309
>>2141339
every time i see a girl grip a pencil they do it like this, why is that? i cant comprehend how that can be comfortable

>>2141354
You're probably hurting your muscles already. Do you squeeze too much? does your hand hurt after a while when drawing? If so, you are going to have problems in the long run. Stretch regularly, there are some exercises to do while you work that might help prevent injuries.

>>2141309
>tfw I am not alone
>tfw I have been using this form for my entire life

>>2141630
here. Is there any unique grips for leftys, because the right side grips are tricky to emulate on left.

>>2141897

>>2141897
It's more about training and trying things out. E.g. as an exercise only hold you pen with your thumb and index finger and keep the other fingers stretched away.

>>2141897
I'm left handed and I don't see why it would be any different.

>>2141309

This is how children hold crayons. Nobody ever corrected your technique. Thankfully nobody ever told you to stop drawing. If it works it works.

Anyone else get a callous on their fingers from resting their drawing/writing utensils on them?
I hold my pencils like >>2141897 but I have a very firm grip.

>>2144011
I meant callus

>>2144011
of course but I got them from writing in school

>>2141309
We are few in numbers, but you are not alone.

My 3 year old sister knows whats up

>>2144065
tell her she needs loomis

>>2144065
your parents are irresponsible

>>2144093
you're irresponsible.

>>2144093
atleast she'll make it

>>2141339
I do the same.

Woo, wrist cramps!

How's mine?

>2015
>not using the 5 star lotus grip

are you guys even serious?

>>2144124
Jesus

>>2144124
I thought I was the only one who drew like that!

>>2144124
thats the weirdest fork ive ever seen, actually all the forks ive ever seen look the same.

You kids are on the highway to carpal tunnel, Joint pain, and shitty linework.

The last being the worst of course. Shape up.

>>2144123
looks similar to mine except i dont have the thumb go over it like that, i rest the tip of my thumb on the pencil

>>2144252
jesus fucking christ

>>2141309
That's pretty much how I hold it

>>2141309
Nope, I use a similar grip to
>>2141897

>>2144288
Right, please explain how holding the pencil in the way that feels natural is wrong? I want to hear this so I can fucking laugh in your pathetic face.

>>2144306
I feel the same

>>2144351
slouching in my chair feels natural to me, it's also bad for you.

>>2141309
I doesn't matter as long you're drawing on medium/small papers. How you handle your pencils will only matter when you're drawing on big papers and by big i mean bigger than A3 papers, A2 and A1-like formats will generally require an easel, so you will have to change the grip since you will not be drawing horizontally anymore.

>leave to /ic/ to worry about futile stuff.

How the fuck do you even learn to hold a pencil like this? Did you people not go to school?

>>2141309
>>2144123

>>2144440
No teacher ever tells you how to hold a pencil

>>2144124
>>2144252

>>2144252
>>2144124

>>2144530
Egoraptor used to be good. Back when he wasn't a feminist SJW sellout and actually made cartoons.

>>2144071
lol

>>2144451
Your school sucks.

>>2144423
It matters for small sizes, too. It's more about learning as you get better at making strokes than the minimum size at which you have to begin to use your whole arm to reach across the paper.

>>2141633
It gives me precision control for tiny details, but I loosen up for long gentle strokes

>>2144451
Mine did. And every year of primary school I was told I had a shitty grip and should change because I drag my entire hand on the paper while writing, which meant everything looked dirty.
But the thing is, it means I don't have to hold my entire hand aloft, so I don't get tired as easily.

I think maybe my grip explains that I love painting minis so much : I am much more precise and love working tiny surfaces, but as soon as I need to move the hand, I hate it coz I know I'm just gonna dirty everything.

>>2144124
How's that hyper-mobility treating you?
And the lupus?

>>2144996
It's not lupus

It's never lupus

>not being loose

>>2144604
you on the other side, were always a faggot

>>2145036
Put some lotion on your hands, you flaking.

So what is the least damaging way to hold a pencil? Can you ever not use your thumb?

>>2141309
Pic related is exactly how I grip my pens

>>2144989
How about you grow some balls and stop deluding yourself into thinking you cannot draw because you dirty your hand or the paper, do what any normal human being would, start left and go to the right, and if you use a tablet, you don't need to watch anything

>>2144065
that's a good grip for big canvas actually. the "normal" grip is for small surface and writing only.
And while you can't scale up the writing gip to big canvas, you can easily scale down the other way for tin drawing.
Remember school taught you to hold a pen to write, not to draw.

>>2141309
I use a grip like this as well! I've been trying to change it but it's difficult.

>>2141309
Nah, you're not.

>>2145867
There is no normal grip. Every kind of line needs you to adjust how you hold your pencil.

>>2145098

>>2141309
>recently started drawing seriously
>figured I'd have a head start since I practiced shapes and shit already
>find out my writing grip is wrong

Fuck.

>>2141569
We're the right ones brother.

>>2144124

>>2141677
that's because they don't masturbate

>>2146380
>mfw i just realized i fap the same way i hold a pencil, with a tripod grip

holy fuck

you have changed me

>Tfw you want long nails to pet your cat well, but they get in the way of gripping a pencil.

The struggle.

pls tell me I'm not the only one

>>2146394

Absolutely disgusting, if you are prioritising petting your stupid cat over art you are doing it wrong.

>>2141309
People stare at me and after a while they brake the ice with "woah how do you hold your pen like that?!"

>>2146405
>those papermate pencils

holy fuck i fucking hate those things they like crack and splinter like shit i didn't even know it was possible to have plastic of such low quality

although i'm surprised you get much control over the pencil with a two finger grip

I just use the same grip i use when writing, if this one even has a name.

>not drawing with your dick

Draw from the hip faggots

>>2146407
Lol thanks m8 out of all the writing utensils I use these do brake the most.

>>2146443
kek

>>2146407
>holy fuck i fucking hate those things they like crack and splinter like shit i didn't even know it was possible to have plastic of such low quality
>bite once
>pencil fucked forever

>>2146443

>>2146443
Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Pricasso.

>>2146443
Great Grip

>>2146461
More like "Pr/ic/asso."

>>2146470
More like d/ic/kasso

>>2146443
Damn it I laughed.

>>2144989
Oh my balls dropped a long time ago; I just adapted by using blotting paper and being ultra finicky with ink and so on. Also you're right, my tablet was a godsend.

Anyway, no excuse, I'm mediocre because lack of training, not some silly grip.

>>2144124

>>2144124
I lol'd pretty hard anon.

>>2146443
You have a nice penis tho

>>2144065
shes the only one holding the pen correctly, as to use the whole shoulder

>>2144302
Nice to see you again, me. Hows things going?

>plebs don't use the ancient Z Finger Technique
It's like you're not even trying to improve.

>>2148232
>what kind of grip do you want fam
>just fuck my shit up

>>2141309
I thought this grip was common, I've been using it my entire life

>>2146443
>cutfags will never know this feeling

>>2149872
I'm a cutfag and here's the secret, I don't know any feeling at all, lol...also I'm impotent for all practical purposes.

...

...Please help me...

>>2146351

I personally use this one most of the time. Only changing to do specific kinds of curves or because of discomfort. Basically, this one enables the most range of control and isolation of the tip.

When you press down, there is always resistence, so it's great to be able to isolate the wiggle of the tip. In addition, you add even further stability when pressing down by leveraging the pen on the top 2 fingers which are pressing down in the first place making the potential wiggle go to the back end of the pen which ends up pressing against your hand anyway. At the same time, it is easy to find the optimal angle at which your pen will glide by pushing it around rather than having to press down all the time. A lot of control with this one and not much fatigue.

I will actually slightly modify this grip as well when looking for a certain quality or if I am using a specific tool which calls for the alternate grip.

All in all though, it doesn't matter if you use an OP grip like this if you don't know why it's good or how to make the most use of it.

today i learned why many of you suck at art

>>2149872
There's a hole for a reason.

>>2144124
>>2144252
I can't...

>>2149989
>Implying your drawing grip makes you a better artist
bet you think its the tools too faggot

I holding right my pencil?

so I grabbed the pencil as a child , my parents always tried to correct my
bad habit but even today I write well . It works for me at least .

Sorry for the bad english

>>2151439
are you korean?

>>2151442

No, why D:!?

This is how I hold it. Nice and light. Shading I just hold it further down the pencil.

>>2141309
> Please tell me I'm not the only
> one that uses a grip like a retarded
> monkey
.....im left handed and my middle finger is fucked from writing / drawing, my hand gets extremely exhausted from drawing or writing alot . I also play bass guitar which contributes to wrist pain

>>2141395
Im glad im not the only one

>>2151455
You do realize that human species need and have fingernails for a reason right? They got it from millions of years of evolution. To protect the soft tips of your fingers and all that shit you do know that right?

>>2151487
But that's your right hand.

>>2151493
>qt girl trips
>reach out to take ahold of her arm so she doesn't fall
>clench hand
>Dirty fingernails scrape into her arm, injuring her even further than if she had just fallen
>looks like she got mauled by a cat
>she tells all her friends about it
>"and he's always drawing weird stuff.."
>"why does he's smell so bad?.."
>You do realize that human species need and have fingernails for a reason right? They got it from millions of years of evolution. To protect the soft tips of your fingers and all that shit you do know that right?

>>2151502
But it's not, look at the angle for a second

>>2144351
HAHAHAHAHAHA
enjoy your wrist pain

just wait til 25 no! with that hand posture wait until 20 an you will fell pain

>>2151510
>reach out to take ahold of her arm so she doesn't fall

what?

>>2151493
In all the years I've been alive there hasn't been a single reason for me to have fingernails. Not only that, but having them long bugs the fuck out of me.

>>2151674
Try cutting them reaaally short and you'll understand why you have them

>>2151724
Lmao they already are

>>2151487
>my middle finger's final joint is bent just like yours and now it just feels weird and unnatural

WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME

>>2146443
>>2144124
>>2144252
These men right here are the true masters

I change my grip all the time because I don't like to rotate the page to get better lines so I don't really have a grip that's specific, but I don't choke up on the pencil that much I keep it loose like your grandmother's cunt.

I hold my pencil at the back like a retarded wizard casting a spell.

>>2151674
You've never picked up change of a counter in your life?

>>2152809
Just sweep it over the ledge.

>>2152817
Not always an option. Like on a display counter where the glass is slightly more recessed than the metal frame.

>>2152802
Best.
Description.
Ever.

Am I doin it rite

>>2152821
Then as long as I keep the part of my hand sweeping pressed firmly along the surface the frame you speak of acts as a nail and tilts the coin upright.

>>2152842
The point is you need finger nails. They're practical. Like getting tape, or leaving your marks on your significant others. They're a necessity, tbh

>>2152844
A convenience in a very specific scenario is not a necessity. A tiger needs to murder his meal with his teeth/nails to live another week that would define a need. If I can't pick up some change on a counter or open a pocket knife quickly big fucking deal. I always have my nails ground down to a nub and I've never not been able to get change I drop on a counter. I was joking around initially, but I think it's absurd to use a word like "need" for something as superfluous as a goddamn fingernail.

>>2152856
love ur fingernails

>>2152863
I'm surprised you didn't say something about peeling oranges.

>>2152856
I dare you to peel an orange with only your hands and no tools.
>inb4 humans have brains to make tools, therefore nails are obsolete

>>2152856
You need nails because sometimes you're itchy, and you have to scratch.

>>2141897
>>2141898
>>2145036
>>2152835
>>2151439
nigger

>>2152959
Jokes on you I'm brown.

>>2152918
Lmao oranges? Seriously? Like when have I ever been in that tight of a situation where I'm dying of hunger and the only thing around me is oranges? "DAMN IF ONLY MY FINGERNAILS WERE LONGER"

cuz that shit really fucking happens.

Plus this thread is about what kind of grip you use to draw. Why in the fuck are we talking about how short my goddamn fingernails are? I don't NEED them by any means. I've lived a healthy long life without ever having to use fingernails. For Christ sakes.

>>2152919
Such a minute problem that practically anything solid can fix. You don't 'need' fingernails. And why the fuck do you people care so much?

>>2152959
cracker

>>2153124
Have fun never grabbing anything. That's probabaly why the underlayer of your nails look messed up too.

>>2153124
>>2153379

I hope this is just banter and not people actually upset over nails

>>2153460
Just banter. It does drive me nuts to have my nails cut too short.

>>2153125
You can't insult white people Sambo

>>2153531
u mad, cracka

>>2153125
>you owned my ancestors hahaha!

>>2153125
In high school I had a black friend that started dating a white girl. His mom was really upset about it and used the best racial insult I've ever heard. She used to call her susie cream cheese.

We would die laughing every time she said it.

>>2153538
kek

>>2153538
>susie cream cheese
>best racial insult I've ever heard

>>2153552
Name another that isn't played out or derivative as shit?

>>2153379
Dude, I grab shit all the time. How on earth could I hold a pencil without having grabbed it first? Having your nails long doesn't matter. And I really don't understand why you care so much.

>>2152070
Actually that's not my joint popping out, it's actually a huge fucking callus (spelling lol). I have had it my whole life

>>2141897
Shiggy diggy. You just mirror the grip and practice till its comfy

>>2141395
This my jam.