/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I thought he went to Russia so he could beat the shit out of Proko and steal his youtube channel.

>>2150796
LoL, I felt there was something wrong between those two lately... Or it's just me? I don't like Proko's approach too much, he can get kinda annoying and awkward.

>>2150796
You keking me.
Proko's family and Watts traveled to Russia for art appreciation and fun. This was all when Proko was still a teacher at the atelier though.

Don't know how their relationship is now. Plan on asking Jeff what he thinks of Proko next friday night love.

>>2150810
*live

God damn it, these environments motivate the shit out of me. One day I need to study at one of those places.

>>2150820
The asses on the top left.

>>2150820
>>2151112
I wonder if they have gangbangs when the day's over.

>>2150795

that is the holy land. wow.

So how high is the level of self-expression allowed in that place compared to a place like Calarts?

>>2150795
All of those asians talking about emotion like they have them too.

>>2151169
Watch out for that edge.

>>2150795
this entire thing has been about politics even though they say it isn't. RT is propaganda.

>>2151169
#told

>>2150795
This was nice to look at. Thank you OP.

>>2150795
My dick is diamonds.

Man, I'm jelly. This place looks amazing.

>>2151167
You can go anywhere else in the world to express yourself, the point of this school is to teach what is not being taught around the world.

But if you did watch the video you would have seen, you can express yourself normally, just look at the wife of the asian guy, she did some very outside of the norm art, the catch is, you won't give those to be reviewed inside the classroom since in those classes they give you very specific assignments.

They take a more mechanical aproach to assignments, like other fields do, they ask for specific stuff who showcases specific skills to be appraised objectively like a math or physics assignment would. The deeper meaning of the subject is ignored, you're not trying to make statements, you're being taught a skill so later on you can apply whatever you want to it.

You go there go harness the skills, with the skills learned, you can apply any wacky self-expression bullshit you want and i'll guarantee it will look 500% better than art done by people from schools who only preach self expression.

tl:dr "Learn the rules before breaking it" the school.

>>2151690
That sounds amazing, thanks anon.

I guess I better start learning Russian

>all these people saying they're going to move to Russia

I know you'll niggas is joking but still...

There are schools and ateliers across the west that provide similar environments. The problem is they're the exception rather than the rule which is JUST

>>2151720
>There are schools and ateliers across the west that provide similar environments

Could you please provide some examples?

>>2151726
Here you go

https://www.artrenewal.org/pages/ateliermap.php

>>2151729
Thank you very much

>>2151729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnecHy2vyIQ

>>2151729
Oh man, one of the two places near me is shut down. There's just one atelier left in my state. That's crazy considering there's only a couple dozen places on that map to begin with. Granted this is just "ARC approved" schools which is an umbrella I"m sure even a lot of desirable schools don't fit under for one reason or another. Calarts isn't there for example and I think a lot of people on /ic/ would love to go there (if they could afford it).

Notice how the one who seems most passionate about different styles existing is also one of the worse ones.

>>2151758
ivy league schools have shitloads of aid loads of people go for free

>>2150795
While this place seems amazing and all, for some reason I keep on getting this vibe of disconnect between this school and the world. It just seems to exist in a vacuum, with little relation to the outside world. (plus the way they romanticized the place made it seem more like a fantasy environment then a place in real life)
I suppose this appeals to some people, but I just don't know what you would do after you leave this place.
I guess this place just isn't for me personally.

>>2151802
Yea, it seems like the anti fzd design school. fzd only teach you for the job while this seems like it only focuses on skill.

would still kill to go to either one though

>>2151729
What's the difference between a living master class and a regular atelier?

>>2151819
It is an atelier but it has one of the bossest niggas in the biz, from what I understand.

>>2151820
Surprised Watts isn't under that section then considering how much people praise the school.

>>2151822
The particular section of the website may need work, like I said earlier I checked one of the two pips near me and one of them was shut down. The other one looked fairly nice though.

http://theatelier.org/gallery/alumni.html

Too bad full time classes are expensive as balls.

$550 a week for their full-time program (almost $30k a year, probably without the chance for student aid).

>>2151831
I feel ya nigga. Planning on saving up so I can move and take regular classes at Watts.

>>2151841
I'm starting to think that the online courses are the way to go, at least for me. It's just too much money for this other shit. I'm just going to take the city bus around in circles which costs like $2 and life-draw black people all day. I want to be an animator so I don't have to set the bar terribly high when it comes to rendering and so on anyway.

>>2151849
japanese animator?

>>2150795
Thanks for sharing

>>2151802
I see what you're saying. But I think that's just how this kinda places are supposed to be. I'm sure most of the people would run outta this place back to home. It takes special people to shut down in a coold and silent place and just work, and work, and work. At the end that's what it takes to git gud.

I love art, but even I don't know if I could take a year of study in that place. Russia is insanely cold, that building must be freezing inside, it seems like you must know some degree of russian, and I don't think it's cheap to move and live there.
I think that most of the foreigners that finish their studies there will be greatly tempted by the school to stay and become teachers themselves, since they desperately need english speaking teachers and others.

If you come outta that place with a degree you could teach art anywhere in the world, I bet Europe art schools will catch you on the fly. I wouldn't stay in Russia certainly.

>>2150795
thank god for these russian bastards for preserving this type of academy

>>2151802
good, there should be a disconnect. art and the training in art are eternal

>>2151873
Not necessarily. While I do want dynamic action, colors and camera angles like anime I'm hoping to do it in my own muh style (whatever that ends up looking like)

>>2152082
>training in art are eternal
You won't believe how many people I meet both artists and regular who think a regular uni semester of drawing is good enough for life. They think it's weird to retake classes like gesture and whatnot more than once.

>you'll never get approached by a qt peasant slavic gf at an art academy

Brahs...

It's not a bad doc for showing students and the student life, but if you think this is unique; you're falling hard for the Reuters Russian propaganda.
There are fine arts schools preserving the classical painting/drawing techniques all across Europe and North America that look exactly the same if not better.
Just because the art school close to you is filled with pretentious hipsters who throw vaginal blood onto a canvas; it doesn't mean fine arts are dead.
Don't apply to them unless you actually want to work with fine arts.

>>2152104
>There are fine arts schools preserving the classical painting/drawing techniques all across Europe and North America that look exactly the same if not better
except there aren't

>>2152104
>There are fine arts schools preserving the classical painting/drawing techniques all across Europe and North America

unfortunately not. the 50s 60s and 70s were not kind to the heritage of art education in the west. many resources were purposely destroyed and burned as symbols of white cultural imperialism.

>>2152104
Your point is? If you have political or ideological issues take them somewhere else. We are talking about art here.
There's this guy Noah Bradley whoe got a degree from one of the most expensive art schools in america, the guy can't even draw people, and he got a degree... See what are we talking about?

I don't think those young people in the docu went to Russia far away from home if they could get the same education oportunity nearer.

Look at the Watts attelier, it only teach you a PART of what this russian academy offers. Those russians are giving a huge palace to acomodate all kind of shit, marble and stone to practice sculpture, horses, quality life modeling, tools, canvas, paint, mortar, miles or paper and shit. Make the numbers. someone is makeing a huge investment in education to have that academy working for mora than a century. I don't think you can get the same deal some where else, at least not at the same cost.

>>2152104
What they have that almost no other schools are the setting and resources. I still think Europe is a better place to learn, particularly Rome or Florence, because of the setting. Yet none of the schools so far as I know put as much effort into the teaching as much as what this Russian academy seems to offer.

In my view, however, none of the academies right now are as good as the ones in the previous centuries, and do not produce works as great.

>>2152128
To clarify, I'm not givin shit to Noah Bradley, on the contrary that guy made an article explaining why the "best" american art education failed him and it is crippling the new generation of artists:
https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/dont-go-to-art-school-138c5efd45e9
Every aspiring artist should read that article he wrote year ago.

>>2152125
>>2152105
I thought that Americans didn't care about this sort of thing? God fucking dammit

>>2152223
Where did you get that idea? There are plenty of specialized ateliers/studios/school that cater to this but none are equal imo. Not even Watts.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/181642-Ilya-Repin-St-Petersburg-State-Academy-of-Painting-Sculpture-and-Architecture

Here's all the information you need about this russian Academy.

https://youtu.be/AVrAXVCIo1g

Another awesome video about this school

>>2152513
>>2153039
must be rich to get in and the scholarships must be insane

I hope this is not limited to Russian schools only.

Here is a video from Florence academy of art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REmChNWoVYI

made me think of what I really want from art. Nothing came to mind but cute girls doing cute things, so as great as this sounds, I probably wouldnt need it in my life.

pcool tho. goals

>>2150795
>mfw I will never get in because I'm broke as fuck
But damn, that place genuinely feels like you're timetraveling back in the 19th century

>>2153237
You're not funny

>>2153237
>Nothing came to mind but cute girls doing cute things
This is why /ic/ became so shit. Congratulations.

>>2151141
who knows

Isn't that where kr0npr1nz went to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCKBC6iJWws

Angel Academy of Art

>>2153850
>>2153218
>>2153039
With all these great schools I'm surprised Watts is even famous at all.

>>2156399
Jeff Watts and Proko are for the fine artists, what Noah Bradley is for /ic. Market sawy faggs.

>>2151797
This. I actually looked up Yale because I live nearby and they have an art program IIRC, and they have a program where any loans are treated as grants or something.

>>2153850
there is a school exactly like this near me that follows the same methods but the sight size stuff scares me away, that and it's about $300 a month

>>2156493
>$300 a month
damn

>>2156493
>>2156496
Are you serious? $300 a month is a steal if the instruction is good. Then again you can get some of the best in the business for like 1/5th of that with new masters a academy.

>>2156499
yea it's not that bad if you have a full time job, their hours are flexible. but currently I don't have a stable income.

>>2156499
Well Watts is a few hundred for a course that takes some months and their online library is $100 for their video library and $200 for their more advanced or specialized videos.

>>2156501
I thought Watts was like $200 a week

>>2153850
Yuck. I wish Bargue method wouldn't have this much favor.

>>2156546
Damn, I was wrong my bad.

Haha fun watch. Loved the asian dude who just dropped art crits on his preggo wife until she would cry and tear up her art. Nigga didn't give a fuck, just told it how it was.

Would have appreciated more on the actual school and teachings, also on the instructors. Way too much focus on love and politics.

>>2156553
who the fuck drops $5,000 on a month of education?

>>2156595
Uhm, nobody? Where did you get that number? Did you just add up every class? There are several that overlap the same time period, and also you can buy a pass that gives access to unlimited classes for a whole semester and costs like 3k or something (going from memory here, you can look it up).

>>2156598
that schedule image all the classes are aug to sept and the total cost of 7 days of school for a month would be 5k.

also school from 10 AM to 10 PM every day with 4-5 classes in a day leaves no time for homework, independent study, or application of learned skills.

>>2156655
You can pick and choose what classes to take tho, that's the main difference between atelier and college