/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Also my drawing skills are pretty decent, I'm not looking for advice about the creative stuff but the economic and marketing stuff.

>>2150603
What is dosh? Is that some term the kids are using? Are you 16?

>>2150607

"Ready money (i.e. available cash) has for centuries been referred to in the United Kingdom as "dosh""

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slang_terms_for_money#United_Kingdom

>>2150603
Don't do it. You can have more fun and commission oporunities stying mainstream. If you do porn, that will become somethin to regret later. The money it's not good at all, and you can't promote your stuff either, it's a dead alley my friend. Also if you date a girl you'll have to disclosure this sooner or later, and she probably will tell you to drop it. Long term realtionship and this porn gig don't mix well.
If you really, really, reaaally love Porn, get a normal job, and do this porn art hobby anonymously on the side. I'll do that when I get retired.

>>2150610
Huh, TIL

>>2150616
The money is better than the money I'm getting with my SFW art, which is none. I am a girl with a boyfriend who qouldn't care. I wanna do this but I need to know how and where to start.

>>2150623
Just ask people on the street if they want you to draw porn of them for money.

>>2150623
Alright.
>make up suitable username for porn account
>not necessarily slutty sounding, but something that you won't regret in case you want to make a completely separate clean account later on
>preferably female sounding to abuse your gender
>anyways, the site depends. FA if you wanna do furry, hentai-foundry is probably best if you want to stick to humans
>post journal about your prices and being open for commissions
>slowly dump your art onto the gallery, no more than one a day to maximize different viewers seeing it
>you can include clean art as long as it looks good
>in the description mention you're open for commissions
>stream your art but don't spam notifications about it
>eventually maybe get a patreon or tipjar when your following is large enough. Maybe 1k?
>don't piss people off with how you use Patreon
>don't mention porn on paypal

>>2150639
Oh, right. Also mention somewhere that you're slowly dumping art into the gallery to get some watchers. If it's too empty at first people might not follow. So maybe make an exception for the first day and put like 5 things.

>>2150623
Well, you can't use Deviant Art for this, neither Facebook, or Instagram. You can't use Paypal neither to collect your payments. It's too hard. You can't try to use Paypal until they find out somehow and shut your account, keep your money and put you on a black list. Very crappy situation.

So your best bet (and almost only option actually), it's to build your home page on Hentai Foundry. There you can store your art freely and build your gallery and stuff. You'll get most of your interaction and requests on that site. You can have a tumblr too, but tumblr viewers just take stuff and run away to the next galley, they usually wont contact you nor leave you messages.
Porn blogs on blogger are on the decline after the new censorship rules applied by google, so it's even harder to find you there.

Patreon doesn't allow porn artists payments through paypal, only through direct credit card. Also the name of your Patreon page will be out of sight, only visible for the people who knows your page adress. Patreon for porn artist right now is on a dangerous path, anyway, now it's the time to use it, tomorrow never knows...

Also the e-mail adress is important, have into account that nowadays all mail companies are asking phone number and other personal shit to give you an account. Years ago it was a lot more easier. Today it's different. They want you pinned down and ID verified.

That's much about it, as I said it's a pretty small and narrow neighboorhood, personally I don't think it's worth it.

Thank you all fo the comments. I will look into it!

>>2150616

Just about everything in this post is stupid.

A bunch of professional artists have done porn, no one gives a shit. It's not like you're a teacher or some public figure.

>>2150654
I know that. But the "porn" that some legendary artists did in the past is not the "porn" that nowadays you see around on the web.

Dick nippled futanari raep it's what's going on today. I think it's a time to keep a reasonable and prudent distance from all of these peehole orgy.
Today people usually wont ask you to comission mild sensual and classy stuff. It's too crazy right now, that's what I'm saying. And I do believe that this kinda shit can actually put you on a black list, I heard this form artists already. Big companies are still managed by old fashioned people, and today social media can get very volatile, nowadays everyone is a "public figure" somehow, and a malicious bastard can't ruin your life with a keyboard.

There's one big issue and it's about the money, banks are making it harder and harder to let you do a business out of this. I'm not saying that you shouldn't do porn for "moral" reasons, but because it's a bad financial scenario for the little guy. Republicans are pushing a law to put "obscenity" as an element to charge you for "terrorism". This is happening. Well, british already passed a censorship law pretty extensive.
Fuck all that shit. If I do porn I'll do it with a safe net, I wont get exposed to all this witchhunt bullshit. I'll do it when I don't have to depend on returning money form it.

Different it's the situation of "erotic art". You know the classic pin up nude girl in costume, (warrior, sci-fi, etc). That's not porn tho.

>>2150674
You are assuming that I am from the US. I live in Europe.

>>2150674
I think you're paranoid. If you find a niche to make money then good for you. I don't think people are going to prude up out of nowhere..
I get that you're "above it" and are to beta to be able to tell you lady you draw porn, but most aren't.

>>2150642
How do you get the money then? I was looking through Hentai Foundry the other day and saw some people still sue PayPal.

>>2150717
I'm not that guy but here's this infographic. Also for an extra safety measure, personally I use a throwaway email account on my paypal invoices and that's all I use that email account for - don't have an email account attached to your paypal account that you've used to sign up for an account on HF or FA or somewhere questionable, and don't make it the same or even similar to the names of your pages or usernames on those sites.

>>2150729
Forgot image.

>>2150717
Yep, Paypal wont bother you if they don't find out that you are using your account to sell products related to porn. Paypal is a global company, inmensely huge to keep track of every single account. So as long as you don't write your account adress openly you could be fine. But, it's still a lottery. You never know when a ban could hit your account.

Aside from that you have direct transfering if you have a bank account, checks, credit card, Western Union, it's up to you. But if you want to be anonymous it's impossible. I'd never tried the bitcoin system tho.

>>2150729
>>2150732
Thanks, guys. Not OP but plan on doing the same thing. Guess it's time for some fanart.

>>2150623
lemme see your art girl

>>2150730
>loose
>loosing
dammit whoever wrote this infograph

>>2150850
No because I would not be anonymous anymore.

>>2153655
wat

Just post something that can't be linked to you.

>>2150616
>You can have more fun and commission oporunities stying mainstream
Is this true? Do people even request commissions from SFW artists with any frequency?
I'm not talking about freelancing, I mean will people approach you and ask for a specific drawing? Because from what I've noticed, porn gets you much, much more money on patreon on average, and I can't imagine non-artists browsing tumblr or da and giving artists money.

Porn honestly seems like the most profitable option for decent-to-moderately-good artists right now.

>>2153666
It can all be linked to me. Not risking it.

>>2153681
You're already borderline porn, Sakimi, and you don't need more money.

>>2153678
Nope, no non-artist will look at you on DA, tumblr will get you exposure, but what you need is to "lurk more" you know what I mean, know the artistic market. Take a look at what it's big on the mainstream media. What the masses consume like candy. Lord of the rings appealed to a wide range od people not only "nerds", there's the viking, dragons, warriors and shit lovers that can be millions of normal fags around you. Come on, what average male doesn't like dragons and middle ages knights and sourcery shit? Every man has a little child on his heart, ALWAYS.

Then you have the TechFreak market. Guys who loves cars, bikes, Transformers shit, Batman and his gadgets, The bond kinda movies, like Mission Impossible, Bourne and the like. That market falls for everything tech related, Pcific Rim, Gi-joe, Aliens, Terminator, everything mech tech related they buy it. Ask Michael Bay about it.

Then you have the Children Book market that its HUUUUUUUUGEEEE, and very profitable. The Vampire gothic market, The monster, gore market.
Escencially the Mainstream market it's where $$$ is. It's like fishing in an ocean.

Fishing in the porn market is like fishing in a bucket, you know you're gonna get them fishes, but it's just that bucket, and you're not gonna get out of it, once you get in. It's not enough. And you can't share what you do in that little market. Trying to remain anonymous will drive you crazy, you'll start to develope a level of bipolarity. The legal money transaction restrictions will tuin your days periodically. At the end you will feel like traped in a jail.
And that's what I have to share about this matter. It's liberating once you get out of that market. I only do porn for fun and the lols, never again for money. That life It's not just for anybody.

>>2153678
>Porn honestly seems like the most profitable option for decent-to-moderately-good artists right now.

This is a profoundly stupid thing to think. You don't actually believe this, do you?

>>2150616
get a loada this cuck

>>2153729
You didn't really answer the question. Will people commission you?

>>2153730
I explained why I think that, you just went "that's stupid, r u dum?"
Either actually argue your opinion or get out.

>>2153726
????

I am not a well known artist if that is what you are implying

>>2153754
Oh, you're right! Sorry. Ok, yes, you're right on one point, porn clients are very specific and straight forward when comissioning your work. They ask exactly what they want, they deliver$, you deliver, easy and simple bizz.

On the mainstream side can be quite the opposite, people don't want you to DO something, they wanto to GET something, "what somethin"... even they don't know what the hell they want till they see it. That's the big difference. So in mainstream you have to think in a "product" type of sorts... People will buy a "Print" they see it's "cool", they will buy something for their little brother or most likely "nephew". A print, a book, a shirt. So in the porn market you sell a single unique piece to once person, in the mainstream market you sell in bulk one thing to a bunch of random people. That's the idea. And there are lots of ways to do this, Kickstarter, Patreon, Amazon books, Etsy, there's a ton of sites that sells your art into prints of different sizes, framed or as postcards. You should take a look at those places and see what's up.

Commissions, people will comission you to do their "OC vidya game amazing project", or some real video game indie studio will commission you to design characters, veicles, props, guns, backgounds, or covers. That actually happens on DA. Nowadays indie VG studios are booming all over the place. But you should place yourself in every social media out there. Take a look at UDON studio or Artgerm and his studio of artists. Those are guides to follow. For example this guy: http://milonogiannis.tumblr.com/
He only has that tumblr that's all he does, that old fashined crappy inking, and he got a gig doing spiderman issues. (I still don't believe it, but there it is). I only heard about this guy ONCE in a podcast that I can't even remember.
I'll continue bellow...

>>2153754
Then you have E/bay to sell original pieces for a good price if you're good enough. Here's where I do money, but not only E-bay, there's lots of sites to put art on sell, Etsy is another, and there's more. Here you should do your research and put stuff that will get to the right people, people who likes cars, people who likes old bikes, people who likes military stuff, people who likes movies, I'll give them good quality pencil drawings, you know people like to have a little classy piece of art on sight, and pencil drawings are relatively fast and easy to do. It takes time to achieve a "raspy traditional look" to it, that is what seals the deal always. Extreme "Photorealistic" stuff gets normal fags confused, they don't realize you're selling them a drawing, they think it's a printed photo, seriously, it happens.

I totally refuse to do portrait commission, it's the most horrible gig ever, boring, hard, and you can't charge too much for that. I don't recommend that kind of commission work. I'm all for "if you like it buy it" attitude, give them stuff, if it's good's stuff, someone will get it. And that's one thing to be aware of, at the beggining I thought that people were picky or stupid, or stingy, it took me some time to realize that my work wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. Check Etsy, chek the drawings people put on sell, most of them SUCKS. And sometimes you over do it, like I said about the photorealistic style, right there I had to go back to the old masters to get that old drawing feeling that looks so cool when you do it right.

So there, you have a Labirynth of paths to follow in nowadays mainstream online market. Good Luck.

>>2153754
Porn will never be the most profitable option for decent artists, because as >>2153729 described, the bucket is small. Other avenues of illustration have a much wider client base, better paying work, and will just lead to bigger and better things than drawing porn.

I know you're curious as to whether random people (non-artists) will approach you on social media to commission you.

Yes, it does happen. All the time. You can be one of those people who sets up cheap commission charts, where you list prices for 1 character, 2 characters, background, etc. It's like ordering an illustration off a fast food menu. It's cheap and poor quality, but you'll get some work that way (with proper exposure, which is a whole different issue)

However, that's the low hanging fruit. Monetizing your online presence by gearing it towards the RIGHT people instead of the MOST people is key. Real success comes from trying to attract the attention of art directors. Art/Creative/Design directors are the hands that feed illustrators. These are the people who's job is to find talent and commission well paying, quality projects. If you're socially savvy, then developing a Behance+Dribbble account is a sure way to get their attention. These are the most searched platforms by art directors for finding new talent.

So to think that drawing porn is the most profitable option for a decent artist is a severely misguided and uninformed opinion. Seriously - That's stupid, R U dum?

>>2153786
>>2153788
Thanks for this.

Yeah, I know you can earn money, but that's not strictly speaking "commissions". You have to chase money, as opposed to just sitting around and getting buried in offers of money because people want to fap. And I might be mistaken, but it seems to me the bar is much lower for porn than it is for "real" work.

Also, I don't know how much you earn, but the usual price for a photorealistic portrait in pencil is around 500 euros, not bad at all.

>>2153798
We were talking about commissions, not working as a professional. Small jobs on the side are cool and all, but with the percentage from society6 etc being as low as it is, and the competition being as big as it is, I kinda doubt it's as easy as getting $100 for a shit-tier pinup that I seriously doubt anyone would pay for it weren't fapping to it.

>Don't do it. You can have more fun and commission oporunities stying mainstream. If you do porn, that will become somethin to regret later.
I don't understand why people just don't do another style under a different name/alias if they're so paranoid about this shit

why can't murricans be less prudish like the belgians/frenchies/japanese where ero artists can still get mainstream work because of their skill and technical knowledge and not get denied because hurr durr they did erotic art before. i mean shit, they even do public galleries and signings and no ones giving them shit about it.

>>2153798
Idk anon I'd be careful of leading people to believe that getting into any of these positions are anything but excruciatingly difficult and unreliable.

I wouldn't recommend anyone do porn for the long term unless they REALLY enjoy it, and can pump out work quickly. But I'd say more than anything the porn biz is reliable, and easy to break into even as a mediocre artist.

Some people don't have room for the risk of pursuing their dreams right away. I'm friends with a few wonderful illustrators. One of them fell into a suicidal depression because of how brutally capricious the industry can be. It wasn't that she wasn't good enough. It was that companies would hire a bunch of people, and as soon as the project was done fire everyone. If she hadn't had her parents to support her she could have ended up homeless. I'd feel bad posting her art on 4chan but she's an excellent illustrator, and now she works for facebook making emotes for different locations around the world. If someone hasn't established themselves and NEEDS a steady stream of money, I think porn (or even just tasteful nudes) is the safest way to go. Especially if they're not yet a fantastic artist. If they have money or plans to fall back on, sure, go for it.

I mean I don't disagree with most of what you're saying and I think you've got some wonderful, spot on advice. But people need to know what they're getting themselves into. And for people who are desperate I wouldn't rule out the possibility porn might be the best option when being able to eat is on the line.

>>2150623
Draw my waifu.

>>2150715
>to beta to be able to tell you lady you draw porn, but most aren't.

Only betas draw porn in the first place. What are you going on about?

Either way, there is merit in what >>2150674 is saying. You're living in lalaland if you can't see that.

>>2153818
You can't really hide your name with money transfers.
What would you do if the bill for the anal futa incest rape pic you commissioned had "Jaime Jones" on it? Keep it to yourself? How long till someone doesn't? There was a thread around 2 weeks ago in which a dude posted an image with an artist's name on it.

Also, I'm not American, but if you're comparing the likes of Manara with internet porn artists, you need to stop. And them not getting shit for it is professionalism. People still look down on them privately.

>>2150715
>fulfilling other people's sexual fantasies for money
>anything but beta
You are literally, by the fucking definition of the word, a prostitute.

>>2153807
Me>>2153786
You're totally right about the "chasing money" thing. And I totally agree about the "getting buried in offers" and the low artistic bar in porn. But as I said there's one point when you realize that you dug your own grave when you only have a bunch of ghost people comissionin your stuff and that's all you have, nothing. NOTHING. That stuff you can't use it for anything else. Those peoples are ghosts, you're fucking alone, and your work doesn't exists. You're in the void. It's horrible.

Doing mainstream stuff you can "build up a bigger plan", put seeds on the ground here and there. Every piece you do goes to the "retirement fund" you know, as a print, a book compilation, anything. Everything you do, could be making a dime here and there. Your hard work its really yours, you can say that shit it's yours, and that shit will grant you respect. As it should. It's totally different approach to your work life.
500 euros a Drawing It's a hard bet, I prefer to stay in the u$300 rate, doing small and medium size drawing, with a nice paper and a simple frame it's a great deal. If I had the money, I would definitely pay 500euros for a drawing I like tough. I'm an absolute sucker for good drawing art... And that's why I have faith in my stuff, cause I'm part of that art fag collector market. I've have some drawings myself that I wouldn't sell even for 1000 euros.

>>2153840
You're alright, anon. I like you.

>>2150674
>Implying pic related is not porn.

>>2150603
>start accounts on everything. Hentai foundry, deviant art, instagram with pink filters tumblr, etc
>start with fan art, because the popular fandoms are what people actively search for
>make sure you tag your shit properly

Mlp porn still sells very well, as does disney, pokemon and which ever anime of the month is popular.

Your pricing guide should be clearly visible, explain how many re-draws you'll do, what they'll receive and how they need to pay for your work.
Also include anything you wont do, when niggerinos find out you're a gurl in real life they'll send you dick pics asking you to "draw" it so maybe keep that on the down low initially.

>>2150717
>>2150732
Payoneer is as anonymous as it gets. But it costs $30 a year.

>>2153825
>People still look down on them privately.
Who cares?

>>2153880
>Payoneer
This. Literally legal anonymous card with fake name and address. In Soviet Russia 90% IT freelancers use it.
Jesus, you guys are so paranoid. Even PayPal don't give fuck about your account. Invoices are your anonymity.

>>2153880
I actually used Payoneer, most people either whined and gave up on the commission, or needed me to hold their hand through it.

>>2153915
>Invoices are your anonymity.
Pretty sure they still see your name.

>>2153898
People with social lives.

>>2153950
>Pretty sure they still see your name.
Proof?

>>2153959
You're the one claiming invoices are anonymous, where's your proof?

Your email and name are always listed to the buyer, unless you have a business account, then it's business name and email.

>>2153964
There is actually an option to omit your real name on the invoices you send out. All you have to do is click "edit business information" when you create a new invoice and erase your name. I made a template and have mine set to where they only see my pen name. I have a personal account btw, not a business one.

The only time where your customer is going to see your real name is if you request money instead of invoicing, or they pay you via "pay for goods and services".

>>2150616
My gf is an intelligent human and therefore would never give me ultimatums on my art. If she did, shes fucking gone :)

>>2153819
I suppose you're right.

I don't know - maybe I can't relate. I've never been desperate enough to draw porn.

>>2153820
If you got the $$$ sure

>>2153864
Aight this is useful advice, thanks.

Also to the people who are discussing about porn vs sfw art, I wanna draw porn

>>2154329
Oh and by he way I dont have a paypal so I could make an anonymous one. I also live in a progressive country so if I tell people I draw porn they'd just be interested.

>>2153821

>>2153821
>Only betas draw porn in the first place. What are you going on about?

>>2154330
Post your work now so we can see where you're at.
What kind of porn are you into right now?

>>2153950
>I actually used Payoneer, most people either whined and gave up on the commission, or needed me to hold their hand through it.
It's just a motherfucking bank deposit.
I guess the freelance market truly is autists.

>>2154971
>freelance market truly is autists

Only when your dealing with porn or "original character donut steel" commissioners. Most of those people really ARE autistic.

>>2150730
what's FA?

>>2155052
Furaffinity.

>>2150603
here's some good porn drawings

>>2155076
ur from finland

>>2150616
Nice bait bud.

For anyone reading that, please realize that it's complete bullshit. There is great money in doing porn, it's easier to start up, and the work is far steadier. If you limit yourself to SFW, you're relegated to the occasional wedding portrait and old ladies who want their dog painted and shit. If you're super skilled you could find work in product design, concept art, character design etc but that shit is competative as fuck and generally requires a remarkable portfolio and/or certificates.

If you practice hard, and decide early on your "niche" [WoW characters, Furry, weird hentai shit whatever] within a year you can be taking steady commissions in the range of $50-$200 each.

Source: Am friendly with several porn artists

>>2155085
im not lol

>>2155095
>There is great money in doing porn
And there is better money in SFW. NSFW just makes it easy for people who are socially inept and don't know how to market. There isn't nearly as much room for growth primarily because of the type of people you deal with. It's a road that leads to a dead end. It doesn't open up opportunities. Quit it with your denial. No one gives a shit how friendly you are with porn artists, that's irrelevant to the business side of everything.

>competitive as fuck
For an artist, this a good thing because if motivates them to keep improving. Unlike the NSFW sphere which promotes stagnation. Not to mention it's shit you CAN'T add to any kind of professional portfolio.

What he said isn't bait at all. You're just inept and don't understand WHY SFW is infinitely better than NSFW. It's harder (which isn't a bad thing unless you're a lazy POS), but the rewards are much greater in both artistic growth and opportunity.

>>2155140
Wait a sec. I never said to make a fucking career out of it. The guy wants dosh. Side cash.

Stop making conflict out of nothing you tribbling dolt.

>>2155140
>>2155177
Cont'd
"I need dosh. I wanna draw porn (commisions) for dosh. How and where do I start? I'm not a well known artist, I have no accounts on forums and stuff."

Yeah, that sounds a lot like "I'm looking for a lifelong career opportunity with allowances for artistic growth."

Fucking idiot.

>>2155182
>someone states SFW is better than NSFW for obvious reasons
>claims that's bullshit and calls the post bait
>proceeds to call someone else an idiot

The only "fucking idiot" is you, m8. Doesn't matter if they are trying to make a full blown career out of it or not.

>>2155205
Don't fucking backpedal. All my points remain valid, and you're still bitching at me about shit I never said. From OPs stand point, with no artistic reputation to hold, a desire to draw porn, and the meager need for side cash, porn is a perfectly viable option.

>>2155095
>Nice bait bud.
>please realize that it's complete bullshit
>>2155216
>I-I never said that
>your backpedaling!

Kill yourself m8.

>>2154653
No because that's not why I'm posting. I have never drawn porn but I'm confident of my skills. I don't need /ic/ to validate whether I'm good enough or not.

If I would post my art I would not be anonymous anymore since it can all be linked to me.

Okay let me also set one thing straight. I am already into the art world and have done internships. I am not interested in pursuing that as a lifelong career.
All I want is a casual side job, for some cash on the side.

>>2155349
I'm not so sure drawing porn is a "casual side job". You need to build an audience to get any worthwhile amount of money out of it, so unless you're already drawing porn, it's gonna be a while.

>>2155360
This. Unless you're like the next Bernini, expect a few months or more before you even build up a nice fanbase.

>>2155360
I'm aware of that. Casual enough.