/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Finished this yesterday, somewhat satisfied with it, as I usually just draw /m/echs and not people. Also tried out a different style, critiques please.

>>2149756
Working on this today, trying to make it look somewhat like a FF logo for LOZ, thoughts?

design attempts for a painting

design attempts for a painting

>>2149796
cute but the ear on the third one is way too big. Prob more then that but it bugs me the most.

i hope this is better.

i probably messed up on the arms again, though... and i can't figure out how to imply the flow of the skirt through the legs...

>>2149992
Her right leg looks so long and out of place

>>2149992
It's a lot better than before, next time you're drawing a person though, draw the figure first and then draw on the clothes to avoid legs being out of place.

Wip, Aurora from Child of Light. Too dark (no pun intended)?

thoughts?

>>2149886
thanks, I'll mind the proportion more.

>>2149767
zelda mouth is damn close to her nose, but her arm looks kinda broken in that pose

>>2149992
That front leg looks too long and the angle is a bit off.

>>2150101
Thanks, by the arm that looks broken I'm guessing it's her arm that's intersecting over Link?

>>2150011
I like it so far. Just remember to unite those colors anon

Surprised to see my drawing made the OP, but that's cool, thanks!

>>2150662
update

today is trash day. I was going to do a quick sketch, but then it got out of hand.

Trying to make "themed" drawings now instead of just slapping figures on paper

maybe I will color... I think I will atleast fix up the scan and some of the anatomy

>>2150714
Fix that eye on the girl/guy on the left, it has a bad case of Egyptian going on.

>>2150873
ugh i fucked up my clipping masks - done for today. I'll probably just draw something new tomorrow

>>2150890
Will do. Thanks for the catch.

Been a while since I vectored anything, but I need new portfolio pieces.

>>2151054
Sorry, forgot to resize

Did this while net was dead. it's a mouse drawing so not much.

>>2151333
Neat, I like it

>>2151056

>>2151354
Thanks a lot man, I appreciate it.

>>2151209
I still feel like that right leg rakes up too much hip space. Maybe I'm just seeing the body wrong but it looks like the right leg takes up 60% of her hips.

>>2151209
>>2151374
What this guy said and also watch that hip and torso. The two of them are facing opposite directions in a way that is physically impossible.

>>2151381
Kinda like someone superglue the legs from one drawing onto the upper body of another drawing.

>>2149711
Is that picture from the Space Mullet artist? It looks familiar.

>>2151209
>>2151374
I think I get what you're saying, but their drawing has the leg more forward than the other leg. I think it would help for them to show that the legs are connected to the same part of the body a bit more. Like, the skin is going to stretch as it moved away from its resting position, so we should see some more interaction there.

>>2151209
>>2151381
(not him)
but I'd say the direction isn't a problem, that position is sort of possible. I'd say the bigger issue is the perspective on her stomach is a bit off from the rest of her body, although that could just be due to the lack of rendering making the values seem off.
>>2151386
the leg is off when you look how it attaches, it attaches past the halfway point which isn't possible unless she has weird ass thighs that are being foreshortened which doesn't look right.

>>2149992

Shouldn't the blade edge be facing the opposite direction (upwards)?

>>2151388
>>2151386
>>2151374
>>2151381
Thanks for the input, guys. Is this any better? I'll probably try to make the torso a bit more front-facing too.

>>2151602
as not a person you're replying to

i feel the perspective/forshortening of the thigh is a little off

i feel as if it should be at least constant radius or decreasing as it goes back so it looks less oversized

>>2151602
leg still looks off to me, I get what you're trying to do with foreshortening and all, but currently it just looks too large in a weird place making the entire leg look off.
also the perspective on her stomach is off, the stomach has a down looking view while the chest and hips seem to have a up view. (down looking meaning camera from above and vice versa.)

>>2151627
not sure if no nose or nose is just tangent with hair

perhaps a subtle spot of darker color on the side of the nose (no don't go full tumblr) would help

>>2151629
yeah, it's a tangent thing.

Is this better?

>>2151633
na its still a tangent. try moving the hair out of the way, it'd flow around the nose anyways.

>>2151659
oh yeah

>>2150014
That's the least you could do.
Just draw a bunch of waists and you'll get it.

>>2151209
Is this a thing now? I remember your other work, you keep drawing the same character from the same angle

>>2151333
Messy but good.
Define/simplify the torso, everything else is reading fine. You can also work a bit on the silhouette.

>>2151627
Face is flat. It could also use some work on the hands/legs. It'd be nice if you showed a bit of the other arm as well, but not mandatory.

>>2151617
>>2151621
i tried to make the torso forward-facing and reworked the legs a bit, hopefully it's better...?

>>2152010
gap moe + cute strong loli makes me happy.

>>2150011
>Too dark
As a black man, this triggers me. Never do it again.

Thanks.

was Hitler a huge aesthetic to the point where he went to people's homes criticising their shit art collection

"that's just too jew!"

is that how it happened?

"I'll tell you what's jew mate, look at that fucking painting"

did he? then he killed all of them?

I haven't drawn anything in a while, so I'm hoping to ease my way back in with even just a few naked people a day

>>2152262
in which case he must be the indisputable /ic hero

how can you argue back from that? you can't can you?

that's you lot that is

>>2151383
Space Mullet artist?

>>2152257
Shut up nerd

i posted this in the draw thread and didn't get too much of a response, but someone said the style was cute! i don't really get the difference between the draw thread and this one, but maybe it should be here instead.

>>2152423
these threads are specifically for stylized works because the rest of /ic/ is autistic about realism.

>>2152423
the fuck am i supposed to fap to this
too much clothes
no pantyshots
goat
no boobs

>>2152423
That woolen hat looks really, really comfy.

I like it.

>>2152423
There's not much to critique, it's pretty solid piece over all.
Maybe change background to pop the characters out more

>>2152423
I suppose if I REALLY wanted to be -that guy- I'd say there's a few small anatomy/consistency issues.
their right lower leg seems smaller than the left leg and the shirt seems to connect at a strange place.

overall its pretty solid though. nothing really glaringly wrong.

>>2152473
please be -that guy-!! i had sort of noticed the leg thing and didn't care too much, but the shirt thing is new to me! thanks for pointing it out.

>>2152444
>goat
was supposed to be a sheep, but i'll take it.

>>2152452
>>2152454
thanks! i wanted to something with the background, but my computer started chugging when i made the brush too large so i said fuck it. i'll take another shot at it.

>>2152473
I'm not the artist, but is that what it means if you don't get much of a response? I've posted a few things a while back and got nothing in response. Kinda makes me feel pretty good.

>>2152507
your work was so bad everyone died :^)

>>2152507
when you don't get any response it means you're good enough to not get critique, but too shit to get any praise.

>>2152507
it either means
1. you're good enough its generally a solid piece (unlikely)
or
2. its not really worth critiquing

usually you can always find some error here or there, but its nothing too bad, its only pointed out if you're way better than other people and they feel insecure about it so they feel the need to point out whatever they can.
if you're not getting those responses then chances are you're doing solid work but nothing particularly amazing.

>>2152507
You're so mediocre that my balls

>>2152507
The way that I learned it is that if someone doesn't have something to say then they really just don't care. I attend an art school, and one of the profs was straight with us, saying that if anyone looks at your art and says things like "not bad, man," they aren't -really- praising you, they just don't care and are being polite. They either see that you're not really trying to improve any and therefore don't see any point in critiquing, or find your work bland and inoffensive.

>>2152583
I find its more of the second than the first. People can't really 'tell' at a glance if you're trying to improve, they can however tell something is boring and doesn't hold their interest, which if they were a good critique they'd straight up tell you its boring as shit.
But if its just a gallery or an image board and people are overlooking it, that's usually the case, its just boring.

>>2152423
hi raymond

see you in september

just sketching

my life is a misery "I want more from you" so do I, I have failed you so? then, I don't really want to be here

>>2152540
>when you don't get any response it means you're good enough to not get critique, but too shit to get any praise.
>too shit

Nah, being too shit at anything means you get grilled. Being in the limbo of not getting responses, positive or negative, means your work is competent but not striking. It means it's dull to most viewers. At that point, you should study perspective because that is the solution to making anything dull more dynamic. Kim Jung Gi can make anything look awesome because of his understanding of perspective.

There are loads of shitty art that does get praise because there is one striking element or gimmick to it. Gimmick free art doesn't hold much people, specially in regards to people deep in internet culture. Perspective is probably the best striking element in stylized art, but a lot of artists ignore it.

>>2152952
>amic. Kim Jung Gi can make anything look awesome because of his understand

>>2152954
KJG is only an example. Don't get triggered over dumb shit. The point still stands. Perspective can add a dynamic element to anything. Even boring everyday activities.

>>2152952
I have seen the light

>>2152961
>Perspective can add a dynamic element to anything

point taken

I like Thrud

>>2152819
legs too short

>>2152405

ThDa(o)rk

>>2153602
oops wrong file

>>2153604
are u that cunt from that magazine ?
its nice.

>>2153623
Which magazine anon?

>>2153626
fx-something

dont remember the name

>>2153604
neck is off centered some, or she has a weird shaped head.

>>2153632
Nope, not that I know of.

>>2153635
Ok, thanks!

>>2152423
Slip off her boots and I might be able to get a good wank out of it.

>>2152819
Like >>2153215 said, the legs are definitely off, but otherwise I like this a lot. Your style really appeals to me.

>>2153604
seems a bit sloppy. the hair, the neck, the clothes, everything. try to be more clear, use refs if needed. especially when it comes to the clothes

>>2153602
neat, but a few issues.
1. the headshape was like a wonky egg. also the chin went too far back (you could say it's too wide?)
2. pull the eyebrows slightly more to the center.
-fix the hairline and the line on the head to fit the headshape better
-made the mouth slightly smaller

i may have done a bit too much but you get the point.

>>2153656
Thank you so much! I already finished with that first one but I'll keep those in mind for next time

Not sure which effect should I use for the eyelashes, what do you think ?

>>2153789
are you trying to cut down a tree with those eyelashes? maybe tone it down a bit

>>2153791
What ?

>>2153789
The middle and right look like she taped her upper lids onto her brow or flipped them inside out yaknow?

>>2153794
they look like rounded saw blade

>>2153789
go for #1 Makes her look more like rena

rough sketch, any advice?

>>2153789
Personally I prefer #1. I'm not a huge fan of the whole "colored eyelashes", unless you're doing a really colorful piece where the character is intended to look really fashionable or a super creative design (idk how else to explain this.)

Basically, I feel like the first lashes suit your character better than the others. Plus IRL I never see anyone color their eyelashes. Just seems unnatural to me, I guess.

BUT DO WHAT FLOATS YER BOAT DUDE 8)

>>2153789
Colored eye lashes are always dumb.

>>2153848
the younger the character is, the lower the eyeline is. same with the ears, also the neck gets thinner.
not an ironclad rule, but still useful

>>2153870
thanks, I'll take note of that.

>>2153861
I'm a big fan of Natsumi Kei's works on her colored hairy eyelashes, that's where the whole thing come from. Beside, they looked pretty good on Mion's sprite I did before this one. To begin with, they have impossible natural color, so why not having the same color for the eyelashes like for some people IRL ?

But I guess in that case, left one may indeed be a better choice, fits Rena more. Not every characters need to have colored eyelashes.

>>2153908
I'm pickin' up with you're puttin' down. I've seen colored eyelashes in other works, and some fit the characters, and some don't. Aesthetically-speaking, I prefer the #1. And now that you mention it, I find it interested our lashes don't match the color of our hairs, but our eyebrows do, and whatnot.

Regardless though, I like where you're going with it so far. And now I kinda wanna try colored lashes. D:

>>2153908
notice how it is much more refined in the image you posted while the rena you drew had eyelashes that were rough and looked like a saw.
it's the small things that make the difference.

>>2153912
You do know why our eyelashes are dark right? To protect your eyes. What's the point of having eyelashes with a hair color that will reflect the light right into your eye and basically blind you? This is why colored eyelashes are stupid. But anime has a lot of stupid conventions in it so they color eyelashes anyway.

>>2153919
It's a stylistic choice, get over it, it's about the look, not it being realistic.

>>2153928
>get over it
How about you get over the fact that I think it's retarded? I don't really care if my opinion triggers your weeb worship.

>>2153935
I don't want to hear that from a guy who talk about art choices being retarded because they're not realistic, what's more on the stylization thread.

>>2153919
Have you seriously never seen a ginger or blonde person

>>2153941
>still triggered
You done?

>>2152819
style looks REALLY familiar

think i fucked up the hind leg

>>2154100
i like it.
it's still a pretty huge head though

>>2154103
I fixed the head size. It probably has something to do with the way my computer was tilted, cause on sai it doesn't look that big compared to the body.

>>2153919

If people took every biological and anatomical reality into account when drawing, you're left with realism (and hell, if you take it beyond any artistic license, basically human photocopying). You could just as easily say eyes aren't supposed to be that big and that's stupid.
You're not wrong, but it's pretty damn obvious the artist wasn't aiming to 100% mirror reality anyway.

>>2153215
Noted
>>2153646
and thank you.

>>2154006
I've posted here before if that's what you're getting at.

>>2154100
Solid yo.

>>2150873
>>2150714
>>2150898
PLEASE post somewhere I can follow your work. IG if possible

>>2154134
The feets are hella small and the hand is weird, as the fingers all seems to have the same length and no joint. Weapon is lacking some volume as well besides the details.

sketch of an old elf woman. the idea is that she is cutting down trees for resources, but uses it to battle against misc. giant animals.

>>2154134
what's up with the pose, and dat hair.

eh something - I wanted to draw some robots, but I couldn't think of anything good

>>2154350
Hell man I like it, I think you should expand apon it. It's already giving me ideas on what to draw.

>>2154134
i figured it, i'm watching you on tumblr

>>2154134
greyD?

>>2154438
nah, i think it's that poutylipsfag from the porn thread

>>2154289
Thanks

>>2154438
I wish

>>2154442
>W-what's wrong with pouty lips?

>>2154442

ah the psycho face guy.

>>2154442
> Lipsfag because he kept Gally's features

>>2154451
>not aware of the history of lipsfag

Hes posted some very crazy looking girls for critique before.

One in particular sticks to my mind, wide eyed, even wider mouthed greyscale painted girl. Can't find it in the archives though.

>>2154446
>>2154453
this is a no bully zone!

>>2154455

No bully intended, his new stuff looks a lot more appealing. I'd be following him on tumblr if it werent for the NSFW.

Good on ya cunt

critique/advice?

>>2154521
its a very beginer drawing just keep on drawing.It lacks too much for now.

>>2154527

it is indeed a beginner and the focus was on the character,the background was just an afterthought

Quick study. I will try to do at least one a day from now on, cause I've been procrastinating a lot.

>>2154533
what are some good places to gather refs from?

>>2154534
I use sanaku chanel a lot, both the idol one and the animu one, i find it better than other boorus since they don't censor anything.

>>2154541
thanks, didn't know about the idol one. is it down at the moment?

>>2154541
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/

This one? How do I search for those kawaii uguu idols?

>>2154171
Tumblr is here >>2148398

>>2154367
I might revisit it tonight - gotta practice some digi inking

>>2154544
>>2154550
https://idol.sankakucomplex.com
It's this, yes it's down right now i just noticed.

Is anyone interested in working for an RPG game project about Ebola-chan and lewd viruses?
We have 3-4 artists, but currently I'm basically the only active artist. The others are busy with commissions, work etc. We need pixel sprites and/or CG. Also, there is no payment, at least not at the moment, sorry. Or would I have better luck in the porn thread?

>>2154664
>there is no payment

>>2154664
not interested, but consider giving out an email adress so people can contact you.
give it a try in the porn thread and in the drawthreads of the other boards too.

>>2154670
I knew you would say that and I don't blame you. At this point I don't even care about money, I've gotten faster, better and gained experience (and also got to observe drama, it was pretty gud). My love for Goddess Ebola is the only motivation I need.

>>2154672
Alright, thanks.

>>2154670
I knew you would say that and I don't blame you. At this point I don't even care about money, I've gotten faster, better and gained experience (and also got to observe drama, it was pretty gud). My love for Goddess Ebola is the only motivation I need.

>>2154672
Alright, thanks.

>>2154670
Honestly as much as people hate it, sometimes doing free work, especially as a community hobby, is better for you than getting paid.
Doing something like a RPG game on your own and designing custom sprites and worlds is a great thing to put in your portfolio. And if you're having fun doing it then its just an extra bonus.
since its a 4chan porn game you can also be fairly sure they're not exactly asking for the best of the best, its more of a fun thing.

starting to get into fabric, hopefully I can improve soon

Mediocrity between studies.
1/2

>>2154689
2/2

>>2154664
I'm doing a little TTrpg thing myself. I agree it can be fun and useful.

>>2154521
thigh should be over the calf. other than that just keep practicing.

>>2154696
TTrpg?

>>2153249
Hah yeah that's me, never heard "Space Mullet" artist before though. Have I drawn that many mullets in space?

>>2154753
tabletop rpg I'm assuming.

>>2154775
Yeah.
Old DnD.

Making an asset for 2D animation. Character is separated by limbs, so don't worry to much about the pose.

Looking for feedback on the forms and overall design before I go any further..

At the moment it looks too Batman Beyond / generally too unoriginal; any advise on how to move away from this but keep the general atheistic I already have?

crits pls

>>2154922
The proportions on those elbow spurs are all fucked up. Loomis.

>>2151602
this is honestly pretty hard.
i think you should probably avoid difficult angles until you have your anatomy down, otherwise it's just pure guesswork.

also with perspective, thinking in boxes can be helpful.

>>2154100
Her legs should be longer IMO.

Ok correct me if im wrong, but I what I understood from the first few pages of Loomis is correct, then a good majority of anime/manga faces consist mainly a Cube and a sphere

>>2155131
Bingo, these are called basic forms and the more you work with these forms the better you may mold and shape them together until you realize that you may combine and fit them together that helps you draft whatever you want.

This is the essence of all good drawing, the closer you draw these forms in perspective the better the illusion of space and the more understanding of what compresses and what pulls the closer you'll get to reality.

1) Is the position of the arm anatomically possible?
2) Does it have proportion/foreshortening issues?
3) Does it look appealing?

Other crits are welcomed too.

1) Is the position of the arm anatomically possible?
2) Does it have proportion/foreshortening issues?
3) Does it look appealing?

Other crits are welcomed too.

>>2154952
Wow, thanks for that redline! I might revisit it with heavy reference to this next time; already dropped it because it wasn't working out well. i'll definitely practice alot more...

Tried to ink with digi. It was realllllly slow. I did a quick trace over, but then I only got through the spine and part of the butt for the actual linework. I think I might revisit this later to improve my digital inking technique.

Tried to clean up some of the cell shading, but i was sooooo slowwww, and suddenly it is bed time

>>2155408
i would give you a blowjob

>>2155165
1. probably, but the wrist is fucked up
2. there are proportion issues, the forearm isn't actually that long. the other parts seem too long and thin as well i think?
3. the gesture feels ok i guess? otherwise see 1 and 2

>>2155408
You need to focus on lineweight, it's terribly flat.

>>2155458
Not him, and while I agree, it could be part of "muh style". Lots of things keep the same line weight, especially if they want to look more robotic n shit. Doesn't look too bad.

>>2155458
>>2155498
Any good books on line weight?

>>2155504
There are plenty of tutorials online. I don't think there's enough material there for a whole book. But hey, maybe I just don't know enough on the subject.

>>2155498
>lots of things keep the same line weight
not if they're good or use other things to portray it.
also I wish people would stop using "muh style" for everything style related. its used for when people are using it as an excuse.

is this 3dpd face appealing?

>>2155536
3dpd is almost never appealing, that's why it is called pig disgusting.

>>2155536
>3d
>appealing

>>2155536
Looks like Queen Elizabeth II when younger.

>>2155533
Not focusing on line weight and keeping your lines the same size is not an excuse you dumb fuck, it IS a stylistic choice.

>>2155610
It's very much an excuse to cover up the fact that they don't know anything about it.

>>2155614
Are you genuinely retarded? Do you really believe Moebius didn't make use of lineweight in lots of his work because it was too hard for him to understand?

There are tons of great artists who don't use lineweight, but rest assured, they all knows at least everything that you do about it. It's not fucking rocket science. Overlap /depth, mass, pinch and stretch, direction of light etc is shown via varying the thickness of your lines. Wow, what a revelation. Moebius, one of the greatest comic book artists of all time sure must have struggled a lot with this concept.

>>2155631
different anon, are you seriously trying to have a debate on the internet? Just drop it and get back to work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmu4EURBJTI

>>2155614
>Not using a tool means you don't know how to use it

>>2155408
>>2155458
>>2155498
>>2155533
lineweight isn't the problem here in the first place you autists. it's flat because the drawing is flat. sure the tail gives it some depth, but the rest is just long and flat.

>>2155610
You do realize I was defending it not being used as an excuse?
It's still stupid to not use it though.

>>2155643
>implying you can do it better
Post your work.

>>2155660
>debating about a totally irrelevant tangent
>assdevastated when somebody points it out
i won't, and fugg u.

>>2155536
Needs to be slightly younger with full body shown

>the amount of crossboarders from /a/ in this very thread
that's very disgusting, anons- and I really hope you're not downplaying Loomis just because it doesnt look like your anime. Talk shit but never post work; stay cancer

>>2155709
Back to /a/ weeb.

>>2155709
plenty people have posted work. what about you?

Started coloring in photoshop, I used to do backgrounds but i want to do characters too.

>>2155787
Oh god those are disgusting as fuck.

>>2155788
thanks anon

>>2155787
your faces really need some work anon.
i'll give it to you though, at least they have consistency in their wrongness.

>>2155787
I'm sure tumblr will love it

>>2155787

>>2155536
personally i think that either you stylize or you don't. the inbetween will always look a bit uncally valley-ish. be aware of what you want to achieve. do you want something stylized like kronprinz or do you want it to look relistic? be aware of it.


>hairline
>face was generally too low. head had animu proportions
study the shape of the skull more and this will get better.

>neck, trapezius
>nose was too low, nose was behind the chin.
>ears were elf-like

>which side is the face facing?
this is again that typical mistake where the face is proportioned in a way where it's a mix between front, and 3/4 view.
see http://i.imgur.com/SrHiJa9.jpg

>eyes
some tips for the eyes: the next time you study, try to be aware of the upper and lower eyelids seperately. try to see a more distinct shape, in your original it was rather bland and formless.
making the upper eyelid thicker always helps~

>>2155793
What is that? Pepperoni on her nipples?

>>2154672
>Promoting cancer

>>2155787
Ready for tumblr

Looks like you guys had a healthy conversation about line weights without me... I like the look of heavy inking and dramatic line work, but I can't seem to reproduce what I want digitally. I am using the hard round brush with size pressure sensitivity.

>>2155458
>lineweight
I only tried the line work along the spine, I didn't finish the rest. I enjoy inking traditionally, but digital just isn't giving me the same results.

>>2155643
>flat
Should I push the values harder? Or is the flatness part of the pose I picked and / or a bad use of forms?

>Should I push the values harder? Or is the flatness part of the pose I picked and / or a bad use of forms?
the problem is with the drawing. it's the proportions.
the figure is around 7/8 heads tall and the neck is too short considering that. you really needed to give the neck more space.
7 heads in general is pretty tall, and yours is 7 heads tall even though the body is bending. it feels even longer since the part that should be the neck is now distributed into the height or the rest of the body.
so all in all the body feels very elongated.

pic not related by the way. not a redline or anything, i just wanted to try it.

>>2154534
I use /jp/ and /fit/ but sankaku complex is also great for cosplay pics, like another anon said.

>>2155536
No.

>>2155951
>drawing Shia Le"exdee so randumb xD" LeRetard

>>2155946
meant for >>2155929 >>2155408

>>2155951
still haven't been able to access idol complex though. isn't it dead?
3dbooru is an option as well i think.

>>2154171
Sorry man. I don't think I'm consistent enough to share that on here yet. I have like one other drawing that looks like this on my tumblr

>>2155793
nipple prolapse

doodles and disgusting furshit in the corner

>>2155867
I picked up drawing because i want to run away from 3DPD and make it perfect 2D, this is disturbing and pointless as far as stylization goes.

>>2156193
it's not pointless though? understanding it will also help you stylize better in the end.

>I picked up drawing because i want to run away from 3DPD and make it perfect 2D
i don't get it. why are you making 3dpd-ish faces then?

So I been meaning to ask, what excatly is this supposed to be? I see it alot in anime that use a similar style. Is it supposed to be a the cheek bone or something?

>>2156338
It is the cheek itself.

>>2156340
Oh, I could never wrap my head around it...

>>2156340
>>2156338
>>2156340

Yea I also see it as a cheek thing. Probably for that extra pinch-able cuteness

>>2156313
>understanding it will also help you stylize better in the end.
Understanding it for the sake of 2D is different than making your actual drawings 3DPD.

>why are you making 3dpd-ish faces then?
I don't, follow the conversation properly.

>>2155867
good paintover thanks for the ref

>>2156351
>I don't
look at the lips you painted. or the nose. it's very 3DPD. like i said, be more aware of what you're trying to make.

>Understanding it for the sake of 2D is different than making your actual drawings 3DPD.
not really. it's about understanding it after all. you can't make a semi-realistic style without knowing realistic ones well. (we're only talking semi realistic here though)
if i made a "style" version of my previous paintover, almost all of the points would still be the same.
>which side is the face facing?
>nose too low, nose didn't align with chin
>eyeshape

>>2156341
>>2156338
it represents the pudge on the cheek. keep it below the eye and it'll be fine.

>>2156362
Again, look at the reply chain, i haven't post shit in this thread, i just said that i hate 3DPD, now i feel bad for wasting your time writing all that.

>>2156362
>>2156340
All this time, I never knew.

>>2156373
mada mada hyakunen hayai yo

>>2156372
oh.
anyway i think you should stop this irrational hate against 3dpd.
it's not like it's about the 3dpd people, it's just that knowing the 3d structure of things will be helpful.

>>2156373
as a sidenote, when i said "keep it below the eye", i meant the entire curve. see >>2156341
>>2156338
if it starts too high it will resemble the cheekbone.

>>2156380
Got it. I think.

How does this look?
Sorry for the jpg quality.

tried to stick closer to rectangles, but i need guidance if i constructed it properly or not...
>>2156338
chubby cheeks are cutest.

>>2156530
>...and then she farts!

>>2154688
Spend time on /fa/, that's what I do.

Jesus I get so angry while drawing. Holy shit it pisses me off that its not perfect. I have stabbed a sketch book before. Its hard to calm down and not want to murder when drawing.

>>2156678
Why do you think everybody here are almost always in a pissy mood and such cunts?

>>2156391
Guys I cant draw this again....I keep trying to recreate this face so that I can draw it in different agles and cant seem to get it to match

>>2156695
lrn2construction

>>2156697
I am, thats the problem I cant seem to construct the shapes the same way I did it originally but I always make a prism too big or put it on the wrong place and it messes up the entire face.

>>2156695
you won't be able to do it because

1. you don't really know the geometric shape of it in the first place
2. you don't know the anatomy of a head in general
3. even if you knew, you lack the experience to measure and see distances and relatioships correctly

TLDR go to the beginner thread.

>>2156530
the head wasn't on right.

try to imagine the spine when drawing the neck. you can see where it begins in pic related. it's somewhere behind the ears, between the both of them.
knowing that point can make you more aware of the headshape, and which side the character is facing. it also means it becomes easier to place eyes, ears and the the neck.
most importantly it gives us some consistency.

>>2156682
thank god its not just me then

I need to get a pad so I can get crits here because its hellish trying to do this myself.

>>2156751
you should get over it as soon as you can.
in my case, i only had outbursts like that in the beginning. and even then, i was never retarded enough to stab my sketchbook or break things. that goes beyond being passionate.

frustration is very very normal, especially when it comes to art. learn to deal with it.

>>2156751
Like this anon says >>2156754 you should definitely get over it as soon as possible. Everyone feels frustrated, but how one handles their frustration is good indication of how one will progress. The plebeian of /ic/ shitposts to vent and takes it out on others. The smart anon will redirect the energy to studying and drawing more.

>>2156754
>>2156783
Not that anon but thanks, I thought getting frustrated in the first place just made me an immature piss baby. Good to know its part of the process.

>>2156678
A-a-are you doing warmups angeranon?
Going in cold just leads to frustration for me.

Dangit, no wonder those furry artists get paid so much per commission. It's really hard drawing to draw stylized facial expressions of a cartoon dog.

I can't into anatomy. I can't into faces. I think I can barely into anime faces.

>>2157075

>>2157075

LOOMIS

>>2157075
If you want serious advice, I suggest you stay away from Loomis, it's a retarded /ic/ meme.
Learn the basics of value, shape, form, and edge from any basic art course, then if you want to learn anatomy read a proper classical anatomy book instead of Loomis, "draw just like a fashion designer from the 1930s!" shit.

>>2156743
Thanks again for this, you have no idea how helpful this is...

The idea I had was that the head was placed slightly back, but I didn't take the spine into consideration...

>>2157109
Post your work.

>>2157115

>>2156332

>>2157116
No, I am being sincere. Post your work.

>>2157118

I'm not even the guy you're asking I just get the shits whenever I see some retard spout that meme

>post ur work

Everyone would learn a bit more if you actually had a discussion.

>>2157118
lol I gotta admit you sound dumb as fuck trying to pass it of as being sincere cause you sure as hell aren't. That really is a stupid meme and he's got a decent point. Loomis' aesthetic is completely shit and outdated, regardless of the fundamental things you learn from his books--which as he pointed out, you could also learn from any basic art course.

>>2157115
>>2157118

>defending this

critique?

>>2156682
That's a happy looking pig. So content

>>2157131
>>2157122
Nice try but you're not going to deprive him of an invaluable source of information just because he might be your competition.

>>2157133
Well the whole thing looks very blurry because you use soft edges almost everywhere and your value range is very narrow (on any given part of the picture at least, obviously the hair is darker than the skin and so on, but there isn't much difference between the midtones and darkest shadows).
Values and edges are really important to seperate different planes when not using any linework.

Compared to that, the book has so much contrast (white lettering on black background) and an otherwise bright color that it's pretty much all I can look at. You probably want people to look at it since it's important to the joke here, but it shouldn't draw the attention away from everything else, like the face or cleavage - especially since the face looks very appealing. Mute the yellow of the book a bit and exchange the white lettering for a light grey and it won't hog the spotlight nearly as much as it does now.
Then again, the way she's holding the book doesn't seem very believable, I'd rework that part with the help of a reference first.

>>2149756
Underated post. I like it a lot.

>>2154453
>not aware of the history of lipsfag
not aware and don't give a fuck
please don't go around talking of random fucks like if they were people with well estabilished styles that anyone should know

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>>2157284
You sure are pro.

>>2157289
suck my dick

>>2157289
What kind of shitty browser are you using?

>>2156530
That looks more like a grown man's body than a muscular loli's body.

>>2157121
>>2157122
>hey guys I'm going to give you bad advice!
>you should listen to me because reasons
>I'm not going to post my art though because then you'd just be totally jealous of my better method :^)

>>2157262
Thanks for the critique, anon.
I tried to brink the the skin into a higher value range and de-saturate the book to take care of the problems you mentioned. I did go a bit overboard with the soft edges, too.

>>2157681
if you are not going to have any lines then you need to paint the form better and mind the values more, otherwise it just looks like bleak, unfinished shit

>>2157723
Darks not dark enough?
I can probably fix that with levels

>>2157739
>levels
>L E V E L S
yes you can do that, but that is something saved for small corrections at the very end of the process.
learn how to do it right in the first place you cunt. you can learn a lot by doing that,

Are there any artists that have a decent flat style?
I'm curious if there's a way to have a flat looking piece of art that still looks good or even decent.

>>2157849
what do you mean flat? like cell shade art like this?

>>2157997
what's this from?

>>2157997
honestly not sure what I mean.
but you know how sometimes things just look flat, totally lacking in volume? something like that, but it actually looks good.
I suppose cell shading is close, but it still feels like it has volume. Maybe what I'm looking for doesn't really exist and its a stupid idea but figured I'd ask.

>>2157849
Traditional Japanese woodblock art is probably the closest but honestly imo it looks like shit.

>>2158021
i sort of get what you mean, there are plenty of artists who uses flat shape in combination with volume when drawing their pic, blog post related
http://nesskain.tumblr.com/post/113449871395/nesskaintips-a-quick-step-by-step-i-add-the
I follow mostly cell-shaders, some of them are very close to 100% shape design. maybe you'll find someone in there http://www.pixiv.net/bookmark.php?type=user&id=3915752

>>2157849
flat in what way? >>2157997 this sure as hell isn't flat. especially the drawing.

you can easily get a way with flat colors (value is necessary though), but you probably will never get away with a flat drawing.

>>2158063
thanks anon.

>>2158063
oh, and I forgot. Here's Wilhelm Busch, he's great with shape design.
https://one1more2time3.wordpress.com/tag/wilhelm-m-busch/
>>2158011
id=115860

>>2157558
>bad advice
>telling someone to "learn the basics of value, shape, form, and edge from any basic art course" is bad advice

Really? Is that really worse than screaming LOOMIS like that other faggot?

What do you guys think of Miles?

Actually what do you think of furry stylization?

>>2158170
>What do you guys think of Miles?
looks ok to me

>Actually what do you think of furry stylization?
it's ok if it's good.
but if it's not, especially if it's a beginner, then it just horrible, horrible, horrible shit. kinda similar with anime in that regard i guess.

>>2158170
Why do her hands look so squished?

>>2158185

I don't know but Mile's construction is pretty visible. You can see the box for her rib in this image. But in the end it makes it more stylized and it works I guess.

>>2158170
>what do you think of furry stylization
The same way I think of any other drawing. If it's executed well I can appreciate it even if the subject matter is not my taste.

>>2158170
>>2158187
Can he only draw different variations of the same pose or something

>>2158217

Yeah, he just does pin up. But he's making $2500 dollars a month through Patreon and probably more with commissions so he's getting by.

Apparently he's russian too, I believe? His website has .ru at the end and english isn't his first language.

thoughts?

>>2158495
it's ok

wew lad

>>2158495
hella cute but the neck doesnt make sense

trying to render in a completely different way

>>2158869
face isn't consistent.

>>2158889
what's up with that chin

>>2158901
its long :3

>>2158869
i hope this turns out to be interesting, I like the shape of the face.
Feels like her left eye is to far away from the nose maybe move it a bit closer
But if thats part of the style then maybe it could be just the way you placed the face

>>2158889
>time to oil up

>>2158901
>>2158927
could i get a redline?

>>2158960
sure.
as i mentioned, the face is inconsistent.
disregarding the style differences, the eyes aren't aligned, nose, chin, headshape and neck were all a bit misplaced.
i didn't touch one eye too much but that one is actually slightly misplaced too.

anyway, align your stuff. draw guidelines if needed. also know the shape of the head, and how the neck inserts

>>2159047
thanks a bunch fam

>>2156743
i've been trying to follow this closely, but i have a few questions;
is the pose not correct if it goes towards the viewer instead of off to the right side? and also, how do i properly use the position of the spine to construct the head? is it through practice and habit?

>>2157554
sorry to hear that... i'm trying to study the redline right now

Guys.,this thing. Rule of thirds

It should be aligned in a way that focal points are at those dots right ? If I have a head for instance should I put this dot in the center of said head or it dosent matter ?

>>2159166
the grown man part is in large part due to the huge upper body (shoulders and torso). currently her shoulders are bigger than her hips are, even with foreshortening. even for a loli their shoulders should be about even with their hips given a straight forward view, with foreshortening applied the hips should be larger.

need some color advice. I want this to look dark and cramped

>>2159215
Hello Erik

>>2159215
If it has to look dark and cramped, make it so. He seems to have all the space in the world. Someone could fit on top of him in this scenario. Not cramped.

Push him deeper into the hole to make it dark. As long as direct daylight can hit his face, he's not gonna feel claustrophobic.

>>2159166
>is the pose not correct if it goes towards the viewer instead of off to the right side?
nah, i just drifted more to the side as i was sketching. and i did have some problems with her right leg.
BUT! your body is indeed going towards the right side while the legs were attempting to go more towards the viewer, and that is indeed a bit awkward.

>how do i properly use the position of the spine to construct the head? is it through practice and habit?
well it's basically like i showed in my post?
but yeah, it's practice and habit. try to think in 3d as much as possible. doing drawings like these >>2157131 can be useful to learn the proportions and shape of the different sides. it's a good way to get started.
other than that, think of boxes as much as possible.

>>2159231
better? worse? I'm not sure if you were suggesting the lineart needed to be changed.

>>2158170
I like drawing furry, it's a lot of fun. There's so much you can do with the designs that you can't with humans when it comes to the anatomy, details, patterns and proportions... But the problem is most of the fandom doesn't take advantage of that, so you get a lot of really unappealing and generic stuff that's barely a step apart from being an animal head slapped on a human body.

posting this here as well, anything looking odd so far?

>>2159281
the frog is blurring into the background, push the depth more.

>>2159276
I agree. Drawing furry just has that element of fun that humans/animu don't for me.

>>2159276
>>2159299
this is the same reason why I enjoy monster boy/girls, xenomorphs, etc. the weirder the better!

>>2159256
>>2159215
his eyes are a bit googly if you know what i mean

>>2159347
no? do you mean they're too shiny or that they look dead??

>>2159347
>shiny
that too. the reflected light in the eyealso doesn't fit the lightsource.

by googly eyed i just meant his eyes are almost fully open and round. eyes aren't normally like that.

>>2159514
meant for >>2159505

>>2157279
>getting this mad

Damnit, it's so fucking hard to get into furry or anime. I feel bad having to look at the professional artists so I can copy their style and see how they did things. I know it's not wrong, but I feel dirty doing it and wonder if I'll ever develop my own style.

>>2160475
Don't try to copy other people. Just draw, and as you practice and get better a style will develop on its own. Comparing yourself to others is an exorcise in futility because there will always be someone 'better' than you.

>>2160643

I'm not copying their artwork just because it looks good. I'm copying their work so I can learn how they did things the correct way. Kind of like how you do a painting study. For me, it's just learning how to draw anthromorphic faces in perspective, that's the hardest. I figured with the rest of the body I can just get reference from human figures.

I don't think there's anything wrong copying people's work for learning purposes. It's like if you're trying to learn piano for the first time. Do you start off by creating your own songs and music? Or do you start learning by playing someone's else work like Beethoven and grow from there?

>>2160668
In my opinion its better to study a real animal's head, and compare it to a human's You'll make better connections since you'll discover that there are a lot of similarities between the two and overall being able to draw in perspective of a human head should be applicable to an animal's head. Also, the style that comes with it, is usually what traits the artist's wants to include/omit. Large scale of how much "animal" you want your model to be.

gonna line later in sai

>>2160827
I like it. But using the perspective of the body as a reference, the one of the arms doesn't fit, they're too small.

>>2155953
It's not dead, it's up.

critique please. The figures lower torso seems really off, but I can't figure out how to fix it.

Is there any advantage to drawing figmas?

>>2162393
of course they are great pinups

>>2161793
hmm, I'm not sure. But I think the weirdness is probably due to the positioning of the butt? We're being given a 3/4 view when it seems like a side view would make more sense.
Also the legs are out of proportion but it looks like that was done intentionally based on the style you've chosen.

This is an interesting setting+perspective and I'm looking forward to seeing it once its been polished a bit more.

Look up some poses of people doing back stretches/twists. Yoga or something.