/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Personally as I've discussed a couple times before I plan on locking myself in a storage unit and not coming out until my skin turns yellow.

Make something that isn't cliche, is genuine, and has actual meaning and you will have something better than 95 percent of whats out there in the commercial/entertainment industry. That thing you posted is utter garbage even if the artist has decent technical skills by digital illustration standards.

>>2148872
There are already thousands of western artists who you will never "beat". The chinese are just the go-to excuse of every loser who can't make it. If you want to become a professional, your question should be, how do I compete with artists like Catbib and Tehmeh. 2 people from this very board who aren't famous professionals at all, yet they are so much better than you that it's absolutely ridiculous to look any further than them.

You haven't even beaten the first mini-boss, yet you are thinking of how to beat the optional, secret special boss.

By not being chinese

>>2149022
>compete with artists like Catbib
That's pretty easy considering he doesn't work.

>>2148872
"The chinese"? Regardless of nationality, you will have a hard time beating anyone who goes to a legit school and puts down hours upon hours of work a day. Unless you do the same.

All their work looks exactly the same, on that fact alone you could probably compete with them, providing you have your skills locked down.
Not every employer is going to want 'FREE BROWSER MMO SEXY LADY CLICK NOW' art.

>>2149028

Maybe he meant compete as in become better than skill level wise?

tbh catbib is living my dream, gits gud and doesn't afraid of anything, keeps art as a hobby/interest

>>2149028
He does. He even says as much on his DA, he just never posts the commissions he does.

>>2148872
By working just as hard as them.


Full NEET, full autism.

they largely don't speak english and work on chingchong firewall games that don't pay western wages. there isn't much crossover.

wow this is like the chink version of pinterest.

wish my translator would work.

>>2149054

he's too smart to go full potatoe into this shitcareer.

By learning 3D since turns out I'm actually kind of good at that shit.

>>2148872
You fucks amuse me. You think the chinese or the spics are taking your jobs because they are sooo good, but you don't realize that it's because being white makes you lazy.

Your cushy, padded lives never pushed you to do anything. The worse you've ever dealt with is guilt because you decided to play video games on your $1000 PC instead of drawing on it like you promised your parents you would do when they bought it for you.

Meanwhile Jose Feng Work-Visa has spent every night since he was 10 drawing shitty comics on printer paper with a mechanical pencil, so that by the time he got around to getting a shitty PC and a tablet, he was literally drawing circles around you.

So you come to /ic/ and you make threads like "How did I git gud fast?" or "How can we compete with the Chinks???" and you never, EVER consider the idea that the problem is you.

>>2149092
But not committing to your art career when you have invested so much time into developing your skill is actually the potato choice.

I mean, it's not like he's an engineer or doctor or something in real life where you could say "what a smart guy, he chose the conservative, secure career and does art as a hobby!"

If Catbib was smart, he could make thousands of $ off of patreon just by posting sketches, studies and fanart pieces once a week.

>>2149114

Maybe he just likes doing it for fun? All art making doesn't have to involve money, you're implying his main motivation should be $$$.

Having both skill and full no strongsattached creative freedom sounds amazing personally.

>>2149111
Thats retarded. How do you even come up with this stuff?

>>2149120
I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with doing it for fun, but when someone says "he's too smart to go full potatoe into this shitcareer." then that is flat out wrong and stupid. It is not the smart choice if you want to make money and have a successful career.

Especially because we have to consider that he is not exactly a casual hobbyist either, but he has put in a lot of time and effort to get to where he is and he is doing commissions on the side. That doesn't leave time for another career other than flipping burgers or some other dead-end part time job.

If your choices are to commit to art, market yourself well and make 10 to 20k$ a month or do shit tier Deviantart commissions and work a part time job, the latter is sure as fuck not the smart choice. That said, I'm fairly certain Catbib is actually doing quite well with his art and isn't taking his art career nearly as casual as some people think he is, just because he isn't posting any of his professional client work.

>>2148877
Modernists pls go
>actual meaning
My ass. Become an entrepreneurial engineer instead.

Call me when a chinese -a single chink of the billion there are- learns how to draw an ugly person.

I'm an animation student in a class where 50% of people are chinese. They're all technically brilliant, but even if you put them all together you couldn't get a single original thought out of them. They just copy and copy and everything they do is soulless and uninspired.

>>2149131

Hmm I see your points, fair enough.

>>2149131

Hmm I see your point, fair enough.

>>2149164
>>2149161

oops

>>2149075
>they largely don't speak english

this is why they will never compete in the euromerican market. and vice versa.

we arent gonna beat the chinese, all we do is photobash over here.

>>2149111

there's some truth to this.

>>2148872
Lot's of process videos here. Actually a decent resource. ty

>>2149111
that explains everything...

>>2149147
okay.

Also, just for the record, drawing ugly people is very easy compared to drawing pretty people. I know your ego really needs to believe that there is at least one thing you are better at than these guys, but you really aren't. If an artist can draw an idealized beautiful woman, you can bet your ass that they can easily draw un ugly, old man.

>>2149187

you can tell this fella looked like a greek high-test alphatron god when he was young. old men don't count.

>>2149192
Well, other than tumblerettes, no artist in the entertainment industry usually draws ugly young women and stuff. 99% of all ugly humans and human-like races in entertainment, whether the artists are from the West or from China, are either old and deformed, witches, wizards, evil villains and so on or mythical creatures like orcs, ogres etc.

But clearly this shows that they can draw ugliness, so I don't really get why it shouldn't count.

>>2149111
Bravo anon, bravo.

>>2149075
>work on chingchong firewall games

You forgot about the Koreans. They're already filling the illustration, animation, and concept art game in the west.

>>2149152
I'm with you and I am starting to notice this a lot in most commercial things. It might be tied to culture but since I see it a lot in western art as well I mainly think we are starting to see the backlash of not actually going outside and take inspiration from the real life sources it originated from.

The majority of the Level-Up crown mindlessly parrot the same advice and links each others tutorials, but no one is critical of the level of truth in those. It has all started to become a "Well this needs to be like this because that's what this person says" when it actually should be like "This looks like this because of this, how can I use it to my advantage?"

You can see this mindset in the stylization artwork as well. You are probably going to call me shit taste for this but I like the level of simplifying anime does. However this mindset is also very very present in anime.

The whole copy+paste mindset seems to be from that no one wants to take the hard road anymore even if it will end up more rewarding and help you out further down the road.

>>2149318
What I meant with the anime part is that you can easily see if the artist knows about anatomy and decides to break the rules of real life voluntary compared to someone of who does it because "That's how we have always done it".

>>2149111

>/ic/ completely btfo

The truth is a bitch.

>>2149111
>responding to an obvious troll thread with any sincerity

Autism.

>being white makes you lazy
>cushy padded lives

Oh look, it's one of those "minorities" that thinks every white person is the direct descendant of 17th century southern aristocrat slave owners and everyone else lives in a Brazilian favela facsimile. Get fucked dude.

The real problem is the complete destruction of artistic tradition in the west in the early 20th century which turned technically sound art into a far more niche production than it was generations prior.

The east has little love for the "spontaneity" of the western 20th century art movements so when it comes to those people that consider themselves artists among the billion chinese and their hundreds of millions of oriental cousins few (if any!) have fallen into that delusional sub-culture. Personally, I feel the west may surpass the east once again in just a few short decades as entropic "modernism" is finally rejected and we come full circle, but it doesn't matter to me a whole lot either way.

Whichever side "wins" (lol), west or east, we all win together because it means better art and media for we, the ultimately inconsequential mass-men, to enjoy.

>>2149205
>>2149187
>>2149075
>>2148872
is it me or do you guys think these pieces look flat and saturated as hell aswell? its like artist knows how to paint and how to draw a human being but end result is something that's not impressive.

>>2149394
Yes it's you. You need to calibrate your monitor. None of those images are overly saturated at all.

>>2149394
No they look fine. As the other anon mentioned, try checking on a different monitor, yours probably is not calibrated well.

>>2149294
Not really.

Asians doing everything white people do better AND cheaper? I am shock.

>>2149394
It's just you anon.

>>2149408
Well, now you better start paying attention to ending credits.

>>2148872
>mfw that link

>>2148872
>chinese learn from vilppu though not being able to understand it
>meanwhile OP with millions of chinese tutorials

>>2149111
so much truth in one post

>>2149486
So you count artists who live in the west and have studied art in the west as Korean artists stealing your jobs just because they are ethnic Korean? Why?

What does it matter what ethnicity the artists have anyways? If they wouldn't have that job, it's not like you'd get it. There'd still be a million artists better than you, regardless of their ethnicity.

>>2148872
Literally no one outside of china cares what the chinese do, this whole thread is just more chinese astro-turfing.

lol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10132391/Riot-after-Chinese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html

>>2149506
what video series is that one pictured?

>>2148872
>http://huaban.com/pins/148997169/

Do chinese like Sakimichan?

>over a billion people and there is only Ruanjia

>>2149530
>Sakimichan
AHHAHAHAHAHA
shes mediocre at best
most of her finished pieces look like wip
thake that shit back to cgp or deviant art

>>2149514
If you track back to the original post, a guy said that the Chinese won't get western jobs, which I replied that Koreans do, since the thread is generally talking about asian artists in general.

I don't care who gets those jobs to be honest. I'm just stating what I see, which is that there are asian people who works in those west owned productions. And spoiler alert : I'm asian too.

>>2149532
The fun doesn't start until their entire population is brought out of poverty.

>>2149538

>which is that there are asian people who works in those west owned productions.

Well no shit, genius. Big clients hire the best artists they can find, they don't give a shit about ethnicity.

They don't go out of their way to hire koreans or chinese though. I honestly don't get this entire argument. Especially when the Korean artist in question lived for decades in America, which is a melting pot of nothing but immigrants. I mean, african americans count as westernerners, right? You wouldn't look at an african american artist and think "wow, those Africans are stealing our jobs" So why would you do it for asian americans?

>>2149537
>A-am I fitting in yet?!

>>2149545
>You wouldn't look at an african american artist and think "wow, those Africans are stealing our jobs

sure wouldnt, no one would

>>2149547
fitting into what? im sure faggots like you make the majority around here

>>2149545
I'm not arguing for ethnicity or 'stealing jobs'. I just said that there are koreans or asians in general working there. And yes, they do hire whichever good artist that is available and those who applied for it. And I'm actually on your side, for clarity's sake.

I'm not sure why you implied that I'm complaining about 'them stealing our jobs' or that I care so much about ethnicity. I really don't care.

>>2149548
back to stormfront with you.

>>2149562
never heard of it
sounds like a shtty fps game
stop trying to be edgy

>>2149565
>never heard of it
>sounds like a shtty fps game

I'm so sorry you under a rock. That explains why you're such a parochial shit.

>>2149583
*live

Bloody cat...

>>2149583
>everyone has to know everything I know and everything surrounding me otherwise theres something wrong with them

stay ignorant

>>2149111
underrated post

>>2149111
best post

>>2149545
>So why would you do it for asian americans?
I dont think most poeple here are talking about Asian American rather than Asians living in Asia. Also, its a legitimate concern as the field is already oversaturated and wages are decreasing-