/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2145280
Hi.
I'm new to this, am trying to teach myself, and could use some advice/second opinions on how to improve my drawing/next steps

Today I decided I wanted to attempt a nude using some charcoal today. I unfortunately don't have a nude in the house with me, so I decided to go off of a photo of her (pic related, is my reference). I picked the photo because I like the lighting and I think her body is in an interesting but subtly-tense pose, arms clasped behind her body.

I am not sure what is quite missing, but her pose seems off in my drawing... She seems more hunched, less like her chest is forward. I THINK this is because:

1) I think her waist needs to be adjusted on her right side so that it is more swung to her left.

2) Her hips are also wrong, I think the tilt is bad (but maybe fixing the waist will fix that too?)

3) Also, the light on her bra and right arm isn't bright enough right now.

So, my question:
I am thinking white chalk/highlighter is the best way to start tryibg to fix all of these issues. Or would it be best to hold off on highlighting until I like the overall shape better, corrected using the black charcoal?

All critiques and advice welcome. Thank you for your time.

My drawing so far in next post

>>2145297
good job retard

>>2145297
Shit.

Didn't attach. I'm sorry for the excessive posting, the internet is not on my side today

>>2145298
Yep... I always like to start things off positive. Sorry about that.

>>2145299
>>2145306
Her body is facing slightly to the right but in your charcoal, the bra itself just seems off center. You have nice lighting on the thighs but no love for her upper body- especially the boobs and her right rib.

>>2145280
>This thread's exercise will be a color study again.
is this really beginner thread?

>>2145297
Go through the books/recs in the sticky. You're not anywhere near skilled enough to attempt figure drawing.

Protip: a person in their underwear is not a "nude". Are you American or something?

>>2145320
>You're not anywhere near skilled enough to attempt figure drawing.
you can attempt it! but

>Go through the books/recs in the sticky.
a thousand times this. think of how you feel about this, learn a lot, come back and look at it again.

>>2145307
>>2145320
>>2145333
Thank you for the advice! I appreciate it.
(Especially the helpful but not super rude stuff. No need to be a dick...)

The loomis book looks like fun. I'm gonna try it out.

Anyway, thanks. Appretiate the time.

What is your opinion on http://drawabox.com/? The guy behind the instructions doesn't seem to be the best artist, but can the site be good for someone who wants to get deep into fundamentals but is totally lost on where to start? I've drawn my fair share of wacky Loomis heads already, and have read and gone through the excercises in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

What is your opinion on http://drawabox.com/? The guy behind the instructions doesn't seem to be the best artist, but can the site be good for someone who wants to get deep into fundamentals but is totally lost on where to start? I've drawn my fair share of wacky Loomis heads already, and have read and gone through the excercises in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

>>2145362
what about it?

I'd like an opinion on how to make my eyes and lips more realistic

i can do lines for the most part. still on the grind but holy fuck my circle/elipse game is shit. just posting my excersize

Repostin' apple.

>>2145385
I'd like an opinion on it

>>2145408
Hello, me, how am I today

It doesn't seem to matter how much I study from refs, when I try to draw in perspective from imagination I can't. I think I must be retarded.

>>2145401
Put them on a face

>>2145409
t's tomato

I know the beard looks like hot garbage but does the face look reasonable?

>>2145425
How long have you been trying?

>>2145425
Mileage is king, baby. Draw more.

>>2145471
>>2145470
Probably a year of serious targeting on perspective. But yeah, I'll keep chipping away in hope .

>>2145401
Like >>2145428 said, try puttin them on a face. Also try shading the entire eye/lips and surrounding skin. Look at pictures of close ups of eyes, specifically the eye lashes. They usually aren't parallel or the same length. And the eyebrows look like a cheap Mexican hooker's, all painted on and shit; they are made up individual hairs, not blocks of shading.

so i took a 10 year hiatus from art and recently picked it back up this is my first oil painting its 16x20" and named the voyage. critiques appreciated.

>>2145477
The colors are nice.

>>2145413
>>2145362

Alright.

The use of crayon(?) aside, it looks very amateurish because a lot of things are loosey goosey.

You have a great grasp of the bike itself, but next time try a light sketch before you commit to the actual shape. For instance, the wheels are just silly. You can do so much better than drawing deflated and misshaped circles for a wheel. This applies to everything that's going on in the picture.

The background feels unnatural, especially compared to the bike. To me this is because the bricks are outlined by black- unless the bricks are stacked with tar, I don't see why you'd use back here.

Try this again. Again, do a sketch first before you start putting down heavy lines. Like, look at the sketch. Do you like the way the bike's front wheel is touching the edge of the paper while the other one isn't? If you don't, you can fix that on the sketch. etc, etc.

Good luck!

>>2145409

some more green? try using the same texture brush that you did for the background

>>2145481
thankyou i mainly blocked in colors then layered ontop of them it was very trial and error, im going to be more aggressive with the under coating on my next work.

Bruce Timm study

concept sketch for an hallway painting project.

old drawing from 2 months ago, enjoyed trying out the background.

>>2145506
>>2145502
>>2145499
resize your fucking pictures

>>2145537
why bother resizing and its not over a MB.
Get appchan for auto fit.

>>2145543

Or how about you save us all the fucking trouble, do everyone a favor and resize your shit like it suggests in the OP?

>>2145545
Why dont you go blow OP's faggot dick you insufferable cunt.

>>2145545
k anon because you don't bother with addons. what resolution you want on that little screen.
>too lazy for posting
>>2145551
ma nigaa

Hey guys, what are some good exercises for getting rid of picture stiffness?

I understand what pic related is saying, after you've sketched out your figure, mine always stiff as buildings when I'm lining the sketches.

>>2145608

more anatomy practice! focus on muscle groups. after drawing so many thighs and arms you'll get a sense of the natural curves and you'll be able to apply them to the skeletal stuffs

I realize this is probably terrible, in terms of anatomy, and art, but i'm trying to improve, can someone help redline the circled area, and or the whole thing if its bad for that matter.

>>2145623
thigh should be over the calf, not the other way around.

Am I practicing perspective right? Am I even doing anything right when you look at these perspectives.

Does anybody know of any exercises for digital painting?

>>2145614
But doesn't the advice stress not going to overboard with anatomy?

I agree you should always study anatomy, but the advice seems to suggest loosening your grip on it in order to make your poses be more animated.

>>2145637
practice it on boxes first

Thank you /ic/ for keeping me productive by doing these once in a while.

I drew this a while ago, I used to think it looks great now I feel like I can do something to make it look so much better, any tips?

>>2145974
You can stop drawing entirely in symbols for a start. Learn construction.

finished study. Working hard erry day.

>>2145408
>those lines and circles

Holy shit, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!
You're drawing out those lines and circles WAY too fast. Slow mode that shit. In fact, when drawing out a line, draw it as slow as possible. However, doing this, you'll create little bumps among the lines, if you see this go "slightly" faster. You're trying to find that "right" speed, that's the purpose of the exercise. Once you find that speed, then you can improve on how to draw faster. But first you need to find that set speed of yours.

As for the circles, aside from slowing the fuck down, you want to draw over the circle twice, not once. Drawing the circle once shows nothing, other than you can mark your paper with pen ink. Draw over your current circle, make sure to leave no outline at all. It can't look messy. Even if your circle comes out looking like a deformed ellipses, draw another deformed ellipses over it. 2 continuous circles in one spot.

Is it really required to learn how to construct faces? I really dislike doing it it feels too systematic for me

>>2146071
That depends. Do all your drawings involve objects without faces?

>>2145472
please use reference if you aren't

>>2146075
No I actually draw mostly only faces lol

the shadows and the waves look very uniform and its disorienting to me

i dont know if thats what you were going for though, it's very good work nonetheless

also is that a reflection on the left?

>>2145477
>>2146085

>>2146084
can u draw faces? yes, then it doesn't matter.
can u draw faces? no? then learn all systems, youre not in a place to have an opinion.

Any tips?

>>2145679

I may have misunderstood the question. I meant if you're putting flesh to the gestural sketch, muscles muscles

>suggest loosening your grip on it in order to make your poses be more animated.
trying to make poses more natural probably that

>>2146108
what kind of tips?

I'm going to start dumping my recent drawings

>>2146114
Any kind, like how to make my hand look more realistic if I doesn't already

My best one ; well in my opinion

>>2146085
I was trying to build up perspective with the waves im not entirely certain how effective it was.Yes it is supposed to be a reflection, i however am not super happy with how the left and right aurora reflections turned out compared to the center 2. I blocked those 2 reflections in when i first started whereas the center 2 were layered ontop of the water.

>>2145979
Where should I start?

>>2145477
painting is my interpretation of valkyries taking dead vikings to asgard, i thought this was obvious but incase it wasnt.

>>2146116
>>2146120
Stop dumping, read the sticky.

>>2146116
>>2146120
You were given advice in the other thread. You do not seem interested in taking it. However I'm going to try this one more time: If you truly want to get better at drawing you need to start simpler and draw simple forms. You claim you can do this. However it is very apparent from your drawings that you do not understand that the human figure and in fact all objects can be constructed from simple forms.

Practice drawing simple forms. Post them. Get advice and critique. Listen to it if it seems reasonable.

It will help you. Right now it is fine to try to do stuff like this but you are not going to get better reaching this far outside of your skill level. What you are doing right now is like trying to go swimming in the ocean in the middle of a giant storm when you have never even learned to swim in the first place.

You have to start slow and simple. Draw simple shapes, draw them in perspective. Do not use a ruler to make these shapes, or a compass.

>>2146117

Study

>>2146123
The sticky has entire sections on this, you should have read it.

The exercises in something like Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain are good for reducing your reliance on symbols but there are other books out there.
Loomis is all about construction but I'd recommend Proko's youtube videos as they're based on Loomis anyway and are a lot more concise.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ProkoTV/playlists

>>2146117

so, ok. you know about the hand already.
I like the concept, albeit cheesy. I have no idea what the lady is doing on the hand.

why does the tree grow really thin and then get thicker?

the gradation of the sky can be improved. It's so thick and saturated at the top and then you give up.

whatever you're using to color is fun to use, but right now, try to focus more on just a plain ol' pencil to learn values and basic stuff.

A lot of what you may know already gets lost... like, again with the saturation, it just looks shitty. you may be a master in color and stuff, but it just doesn't show well with whatever you're using.

>>2145306
Sexy. I like it.

You have an natural eye for anatomy and the model is hot.

You need to practice though. Loomis will help you stop symbol drawing.

Studies of some apples under lamps would also be good for you to practice your charcoal and shading instincts

Decided to change it up... started my studies today with something other than circles and lines and stuff... now onto trying to make boxes in perspective.

>>2145469
looks ok to me, off to a good start!

you should probably push the shading more. right now everything is too close together in tone with the background. you don't really have any really dark darks or bright highlights.

for the beard you should try to treat it as a mass, don't think about them as individual hairs, there are some hair tutorials you can likely find with a quick google search that should help you out.

~and someday box will be my clay

>>2146163

uh, someone help me phrase this better so I don't lead anon astray: straighter lines?

like, the left bust's eyes aren't quite symmetrical. the lips are't level, etc. are you drawing individual cells of values as you go along? try to focus on the over all picture too.

the right bust needs help with foreshortening- but that's something that needs mileage.

>values

Good start. next time, don't outline the entire thing, but try to draw the shadows more than the individual parts of the values. also, the darks could be darker, etc.

wait, are you drawing from an actual bust or a picture of these exercises?

>>2146131
>>2146148

Thanks I will; I we return when I begin to draw simple shapes forms; such as cubes, sphere,
and pyramids. Sorry for any misunderstanding but thanks for the critique

>>2146175
yeah, I'm working on straighter lines. most of my practice at this point is trying to develop hand eye co-ordination, if you've seen line and ellipses in these threads it might have been me (pic related).

I am drawing individual cells of value as I go along, I also am still slowly trying to figure out crosshatching.

I am drawing pictures of the asaro bust called "planes of the head"

>>2146187
How long have you been at this, anon?

I've been attempting to draw the torso. I want to know if I'm on the right track.

>>2146208

>>2146209
No ref

>>2146208

give your guys more chest days
joke aside, i won't be able to give you much until you show me a more complete sketch of the entire body :s it looks good in abstract

>>2146209
the shoulder-torso harmony is questionable in this one

Just a short comic based off a dream I had a couple nights ago. I've been drawing forever, but only recently have I actually been trying to shake off bad habits and actually work at bettering myself. Any tips or critiques? The things I struggled the most with was the rubble and the girl- the female form still perplexes the shit out of me as an artist. Still, I don't think I did half bad.

>>2146211
>the shoulder-torso harmony is questionable in this one

I think I somewhat understand. Do I need to raise the shoulders and angle the clavicle to fix it?

>>2146203
LIke drawing in general or actually trying to study and git gud?

Here's another attempt at a planes of the head study...now its time to attenot to draw boxes in perspective for like an hour.

Can I get a critique or some advice here
Watercolor and ink
Kinda new to art so I thought I should post here
(6months experience so far)

>>2146252
Why the hell did it flip?

>>2146254
because you took a horizontal photograph you just turned the camera vertically?

something to do with how the chan reads the exif data I think

>>2146256
>>2146252
Screenshotting it is a quick and easy way to pare off the exif

Still doing Loomis. Still progressing in the tiniest baby steps. Currentlly paige 36.
I have to work on line quality seriously soon.

>>2146274
Your 3d structure of the head is decent, but remember to translate that over to facial features as well. As it is, it looks like that face on the bottom row is a sticker slapped on top of a 3d object.

>>2146275
You are 100% right. That one was a failure from the start and I tried doing something without construction which (of course) turned out to be a total failure.
I do have to work on 3d more and will go one to applying what I learned earlier on them later.

>>2146247
more boxes... more and more boxes, used a ruler to set up some of the guides to the vps and did some other ones without the ruler. break time, then another page of this then maybe some random stuff to try and change it up.

So this is just kind of a thing that I figure might help some people, but VeraMundis and strange-fox recently did a tutorial together on values, both of which I'd say are excellent with their lighting and values.

Link to it is here, though for some reason I couldn't watch it right on dropbox so I had to download it. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/32yp8d8og8162op/AAD_sBTJH0hvk3j_X7rJ6VZ1a?dl=0

>>2146287
As someone else said to you, (I think), slow the fuck down. You're doing a lot, which is great (especially if you've just started to buckle down and study seriously) but take some time to critically look at what you did, too. Don't just rely on /ic/ to tell you what to make better.

Pretty messy sketch from yesterday. But I'd like to hear some critique on my lines or even on the eagle.
I'd also greatly appriciate some tips on hatching.

>>2146298
Such wasted skill on furries

>>2145280
my newest plans:
start zoomed out,
zoom in more and more per level of detail.

(lets try some more details now <_< ? )

is this too advanced for me? I know the drawing is off but I wanted to atleast be able to make a fold and shade it correctly, I dont know what colors to use without making it look too shiny

>>2146329
Just noticed the thumbail looks realllly desaturated compared to the ref

>>2146329
I'd recommend ignoring color if you only want to render a fold. Makes it alot easier to paint in a grayscale. Color can be applied later on.

is it ok to draw mostly from imagination and be extremely critical about it and do a few studies?

I just can't spend hours copying something
>muh ADD

>>2146339
I feel you m8
But eventually you have to draw from ref and do studies otherwise you wont git gud fast. Also don't think of it as "copying", more like trying to find out how something works and applying the aquired knowledge to your drawings.
You won't show off or sell your reference studies anyways so who cares if you copy something.

>>2146339
anon i sympathize muh adhd/acdc makes it hard to study

podcasts are brilliant background noise. they dont care when you tune them out and are there to occupy your mind when you get to a boring stretch in the study

also with my adhd i find i have to be actually interested in whatever im doing. so my advice to you is: use mental gymnastics to get yourself interested in studying.

>>2146316
Thanks for your input, but
>>2145408
Is not me.

I'm posting here to keep myself going because it's easier for me to keep momentum that way. I don't believe I ever asked for help or crit in any of my posts so far (but I will take any / all critical and thank you again for yours). So I'm not sure what you mean about depending entirely on /ic/. I figure beginners take hope and inspiration from watching other boons struggle along.

>>2146350
>boons
that's noobs fucking auto correct phone

>>2146326
>Wasted
Yeah, how dare he get payed for doing commissions of different subject matter.

That rat bastard.

>>2146328
its so ''off'' before you've even begun.

>>2146328
also lay your drawing down in thin light pencil.
the thickness of some of those lines is absurd

>>2146358
hey : )
can you point out some of the issues?

>>2146363
possibly, are you using a reference?

i said i would start drawing every day with another anon. ive been drawing, but not posting

last night's work is up top, this morning's on the bottom

>>2146365
yepp, this one.
i'm not trying to copy it exacly, just opening it from time to time to see how things are connected.

some of the lines in the drawing i posted have no real meaning, like some of the shit on the roof. (or the windows)
(should have erased them before posting)

anyways, here you go : )

>>2146369
I remember you from a few threads ago, you've already surpassed me it seems.

>tfw it actually takes a really long time to draw 250 boxes and 250 cylinders.

>>2146350
>>2146352
sorry mate. confused you with the other guy.

just keep at it. I admire your discipline and commitment. really can't wait to see you improve along.

>>2146375
post progress anon

is it hard? are you learning?

>>2146369
nice gestures

is this correct? 90 degree between minor and major axis in 2p? to draw wheels

>>2146378
This is pretty much the last lessons I've completed, page one of the plates and some dissection shit.

I can definitely feel my arm muscles learning to draw straight lines naturally.

Critique please, i think the shadow is garbage

>>2146363
>>2146371
okay I just went over your drawing, I don't know if its helpful, I mainly set out the centre line and a persp box.

>>2146382
think about it logically anon... how can it be a 90 degree angle if the line bisecting the vertical line is angled towards a vanishing point?

the answer is, it can't be.

>>2146409
very helpfull indeed, i see my flaws more clearly now.
thank you very much for your effort.

>>2146414
show me whatcha talking about I don't get

>>2146396
try to use darker colors instead of black for shadows? the shadow on skin kills awkward probably because of that. so, brown instead of black or something

Just started Keys to Drawing
Oh, the horror...

I've been trying to practice backgrounds and landscapes but it's not going so well. When I started each one of these my goal was to create thick bush areas at the sides but I couldn't completely put on paper what I imagined.

>>2146434
That's what it's supposed to look like.

>mfw I wasn't wearing shoes at the time and just drew my feet

now I understand how ellipse majors and minors
almost everything is clear except degree-horizon relations in complex forms
why degree changes when ellipse sits on the ground plane in 1p system is clear for me
why degree changes in more complex is elusive still

How do you get over the concern of not doing it right?

>>2146498
I know I won't do it right, there's no concern about it

Only thing I'm concerned about is not figuring out what i did wrong

>>2146480
That's how foot fetishes begin, anon.

>>2146494
do you scott robinson?
im struggling with this elipse thing.

>>2146494
heres what I don't get about this bit.

if minor axis is meant to go across narrowest bit. then the drawing at the top is correct.

but then when its put on that perspective plane, shouldn't it be like ive done it?

but instead its through the axis.

>>2146524
>if minor axis is meant to go across narrowest bit
that's what you understand wrong. look at what the minor axis actually goes through in the previous page you posted.

>>2146524
>>2146524
this was like BAM and suddenly you understand why it is like this without even thinking about perspective centre, planes, narrowest bits and other formal stuff
what was abstract "ellipse" before is now circle of paper that is pierced in it's centre with invisible needle... one who controls needle controls direction of circle which forms "ellipse" on paper

and if I remember it correctly to place ellipse neatly on 2p box' wall you need to trace minor perspective axis a.k.a. normal of that ellipse towards VP that opposes that wall

>>2146480
That's reassuring. Thanks, anon

>>2146535
that's what im trying to say is confusing me.
I think I know how to draw elipses, and I know the top page is correct.

I just don't understand the way scott Robinsons done it.

if the minor axis at the top goes across the narrowest bit, then when I stick it on that flat plane (using photoshop)
the minor axis is parallel with the page.

but that's not how it should be done.
the minor axis should go through the center.

>>2146556
if u look at the top of that page, the way hes drawn it suggests that if you distort that into a perspective position then you get this.

About mannequins, is there anything better? I have pic related, and it's helped me but the range of motion on the one I have is terrible. I've been thinking about getting one of those fancy Japanese figma figures but they're expensive as hell for a doll. They come in both genders, but the featureless male figure is over $150 and the female one is $200.

>>2146396
My advice is to block out the shadows and treat the body as boxes or 6-sided tubes depending on the body part. In general I think the shadows should have much sharper edges than the gradient you have there.

>>2146560
if the minor axis is meant to go through the center like a skewer, going on towards the perspective vanishing point of the plane, then it should look like this right?

I'm trying to draw this picture as practice for negative space and using a unit of reference for proportion (right side of brain book). I keep thinking I have the proportion / lines right, only to realize its fucked later on, then i have to erase and retry. Is it cheating to take my fingers and use them to compare whats one the screen and on the paper for proportion? Cheating as in it will be detrimental to my skills and learning.

How can I stop this and start drawing what I see, I was doing it so well when I drew things upside down?

>>2146570
>Is it cheating to take my fingers and use them to compare whats one the screen and on the paper for proportion? Cheating as in it will be detrimental to my skills and learning.

I don't know exactly what this means... but you should use the sight size method anon. It will help you measure. Measuring is not cheating. And it is very important to try and get stuff right when doing studies from reference. This practically requires some form of measuring things out. Note: This does not mean use a ruler. As I said, check out sight size method.

>>2146561

Yeah, I got one of those too and regret it. It's pretty much worthless for any sort of pose and I have no idea what anyone would use one for, besides drawing a mannequin from observation.

>>2146592
I use it sometimes for exaggerated perspectives

>>2146586

What I mean is if I use my fingers as a method to measure a distance on the paper im drawing, then compare that distance with my fingers on the screen to see if its the right distance. Kind of like using my fingers as a makeshift ruler and comparing lengths.

I will check out the sight size method, thanks bro.

>>2146608
>>2146586

P.S. I have to turn my head about 90 degrees to the right to see the picture, most of my desk space is beside the screen, not in front of it. Would this mess with my copying abilities? Should I just print out the picture and have it side by side with what I'm drawing?

>>2146396

>>2146592
I don't know, I think having the body to play with has helped me come up with poses and get a better feel for foreshortening. I'd just like something better though since it can't do a full human bend at any joint.

>>2146287
I'm back... applying what I've been studying. Trying to create heads without references. Gonna have to try out more extreme angles at some point. Still having extreme issues with head from below, or above, generally any perspective other than nearly level.

>>2146850
Proko has a tutorial on extreme angles on heads. I'd suggest trying them out crayne

>>2146850
here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgK90TpV5fA

>>2146886
thanks, will do.

>>2146325
You've got the shape of the eagle nailed down pretty well, while scratchy likes work well on the head and around the eyes you should really do your best to avoid using it on smoother surfaces like the beak, there are parts along the front of the beak where it looks more like torn fabric than solid material.

>>2146390
i feel the muscle memory coming in too

im also using drawabox, how quickly are you going through the lessons?

Digital line art man, its balls.

>>2146928
Messy
It looks like you were trying to speed up things!

>>2146933
another one

>>2146560
>>2146563
almost 14 hours 16 replies and nothing. ;_;

>>2146952
Not that anon... but trust me, as a beginner, this is what these exercises look like. The entire point is to build hand eye coordination. When they stop looking "rushed" or "messy" that's when the exercises will stop being helpful. To everyone who thinks these anons are rushing or being sloppy, I say to you: do these exercises and share please. You might be surprised how hard drawing stuff like this free hand a bunch of times actually is.

>>2147072
Oh. And do it in pen. So, like us, there is no hiding a single line.

>>2146933
Hear, hear.

>>2146933
At least you don't have to worry about the picture quality being different from the original drawing.

>pic related
;_;

>>2146933
>>2146955
nice dubs and work anon

where are you getting your refs?

>>2147085
Forgot to resize.

>>2147073
I get bored fast on pepper when there's digitizer nearby
do not rush stuff always true up at least 4 or 5 times before laying stroke
I rush it and it looks shit
I don't rush and it looks shit but less shit
(need to practice them ellipses more)

superimposing "selfcorrection" of ellipse is a huge self-lie that makes you feel like it's no problem doing it wrong first time, you will always think of correcting it with second, third loop
thy ellipse must be good from the first loop
even if you fuck up on X-in plane do not correct it, it will only draw attention to your fuck up, instead assume where is centre, it's the main reason of X-ing after all, find correct perspective centre
hope it help

>>2147087
Prokos on youtube, good stuff

>>2147107
So what, if you fuck up just leave it? That doesn't seem like a good idea. But I'm a noob, so whatever I'll try your method.

You still make me feel better though, because even with your skills you can't get it right on the first time.

Thanks for posting. This was helpful.

>>2147087
thanks, refs are from Proko

>>2147117
My skill is nothing spectacular actually. It's your skill plus something around a month of doing these exercises daily.
As Han said, do your ellipse first in air, ghost it and when it feels "right" put on paper. First week it would be shitty do not be discouraged by it. Next week it would get better and better albeit slowly.

What will make you feel much better is a fact that even leviathans like Han and Robertson fuck up too. They just live with it, mask it and move forward. And you must too.
Ink does not tolerate _visible_ fuck ups that draw attention therefore each time you fuck up, you learn two things: how to avoid it in the future... and how to save the day by masking it so that no one but experienced person notice it.
That's why working with ink during those first weeks is vastly superior to anything else: you are not tempted to fix it with external methods like eraser or ctrl+z

Hi!
I've been doing a lot of drawings from life, or at least from my screen. I've only been at it as a study for a few months and I am starting to get much better but whenever I try to draw without my grid, everything is wonky and fucked up.

tl;dr: How do I get off the grid (in terms of drawing anyway)

>>2146215
>tfw you give people critiques and help and no one ever looks at your shit

Normally I wouldn't care but this seems to be a recurring theme, my shit never gets critiqued or looked at. Anyone got any advice for me? Is my stuff just that bland or something?

>>2147222
Maybe you should post in the draw thread instead? I dunno, not much I can say about it. You didn't draw the girls face in some of the panels. I would say you might want to do some shading or something but you get your point across just fine with what's there.

You're also drawing obviously cartoony characters... not a lot to crit that way because your issues with anatomy etc (especially the face in the second panel) don't really apply since you don't seem to be going for super realism or anything.

Like I said, your drawings are clear enough to convey your ideas. So personally I don't have anything I feel I can really comment on unless there is something more specific you want help with.

>>2145469
Don't draw hair as individual lines/scribbles think of it as a mass with detail/texture on it, You should probably look at prokos hair tutorial to get a better understanding of it

>>2147218
learn how to measure without a grid... look up sight size method or other methods for measuring by eye without a grid. learn to eyeball proportions etc. it's gonna take a lot of practice, especially if everything you've done so far is with a grid. grids are great, but they make a lot of stuff stupidly easy and take a lot of thought out of drawing

>>2147243
Yeah. I use a fairly large sized grid (maybe 9 squares in total) for the sake of getting my lines right, but it definitely has taken away from my ability to do it by eye. Any resources that you would recommend? I'll look those up now though. Thanks :)

>>2147233
The lack of a face was intentional, but I guess no one but myself would assume that. What's wrong with the face in the second panel? I'm guessing it's "melt-face", right? I still haven't managed to get how the face moves in relation to expression just right yet.

While I do enjoy drawing in a cartoony style, I do want them to look anatomically correct. Anything helps, man. I appreciate it.

>>2147233
>draw thread
Not the anon you were replying to, but this will only piss off other anons in that thread. Beginners stay in beginners, everyone else goes.. everywhere else.

>>2146215
Don't push down so hard on your pencil unless you're filling in values. Speaking of shading, you're doing it, but it doesn't give the characters any 3d/realistic effect. They may aswell be cartoons.
Objectively, this makes the drawing look bland. Study models (black models are best for this) that have a lot of shadows.
If this is hard to do, draw simple shapes first (3D squares, circles, triangles, etc), add a light source and learn how values change depending on how light hits an object.

It also looks like you draw without constructing first- if this is the case, you know what to do.

Hope this helps, anon. I'm just a few steps above your level, so you'll have to take my advice with a pinch of salt.

>>2147256
>They may aswell be cartoons
>Objectively, this makes the drawing look bland
These two weren't supposed to string together, I meant that it looks bland if you're not adding enough shading.

I've found this cheat sheet very helpful and I hope you, and other anons in this thread, can find it to be useful, too.

>>2147256
>>2147259
Yeah, lighting still perplexes me sometimes. As for construction, you're right- I don't do much with that, at least not with this comic. I'll keep that in mind. That cheat looks really helpful and I saved it. Thanks!

>>2147256
But I've seen plenty of shit in the draw thread that is objectively worse than anon's comic.

I guess to each their own.

>>2145280

>>2147267
Yes, although I believe the beginners who are posting in that thread thinks that it's the 'general' art thread.

Daily busy work is complete, time to do something fun. Be back later with what I come up with.

enough trains and cars for now.
i'm up for some more organic stuff.

had some fun. soon ill buckle down and do some anatomy and perspective studies

maybe soon ill take a walk too

>>2147326
and some random gesture from imagination

Hello fellow beginner here,
For the past week and a half I have been working on shapes and 3d shapes to help with my steadiness, it's helped a bit but I have a question, what other exercises or practice can I do ? I'm not onto full blown character drawing or anything like that but I'd like to get there without rushing. I wanna take the time to learn everything throughly. I don't mean to be rude but I don't want any references to the loomis guy , he really doesn't do much for me

>>2147364
perspective.

>>2147364
just draw things you like and post 'em here. we can give you specific advices when we see your stuff!

>>2147364
what's not to love about loomis?

This got soo easy and fun once i decided to draw one leaf at a time and not outline the whole plant, if only i could do that with other objects ;__;

Now lets hope i dont fuck up the shading

>>2147455
those glasses laying face down in that brass leaf dish.

>>2147357
if you change your canvas colour you can add highlights as well.

>>2147046
still no reply. wryyyy?

Trying to get the hang of shadows and highlights. Tried to include cast shadows between objects on the page. any advice how I could do better? Did this is Sai.

>>2147483
no such thing as a "cast" shadow. No such thing as a "highlight", either.

>>2147489
What does that even meeeeaaaannnn

By highlight, i mean the part that is reflected as a result of the shitty texture I painted, in an attempt at being near the focus point of an imaginary direct light source. By cast shadow, I mean shadows that other objects cast onto the others.

Or do you mean that neither is spotted in this picture?

>>2147489
You wot m8?

>>2147498
>By highlight, i mean the part that is reflected as a result of the shitty texture I painted, in an attempt at being near the focus point of an imaginary direct light source.
If you mean reflection, say reflection.

>>By cast shadow, I mean shadows that other objects cast onto the others.
Objects don't "cast shadows". Shadows without bounced lighting (Global Illumination) are in fact volumetric areas that are defined by the absence of light due to the primary visibility rays from the light not being able to make it into that area. Without GI, these areas would be pitch black.

>>2147504
So you're a moron. Go back to >>>/3/ or wherever you came from.

Absence of light created by one object blocking a light source is called a shadow in layman's terms. Stop being such a fucking asshole.

>>2147504
>If you mean reflection, say reflection.

Specular reflections, commonly referred to as highlights.

>Shadows without bounced lighting (Global Illumination) are in fact volumetric areas that are defined by the absence of light due to the primary visibility rays from the light not being able to make it into that area

In other words, a cast shadow.

>Objects don't "cast shadows"

m8...

>>2147504
autist detected.

>>2147507
>Specular reflections
Specularity is a /3/ term for innacurate reflections when raytracing wasn't available.

>In other words, a cast shadow.
There's only "shadows", not "cast shadows".

>m8...
u wot?

>>2147517
Ah I was right your a r/3/tard. I know cause I also do the 3ds. Guess what? Your fucked up ideas of how reality work are based on computer algorithms not actual reality. Go the duck back to >>>/3/ or learn how to properly be a d/ic/k.

Personally I'd rather you just fuck off.

>>2147521
>getting this salty
If you can't use terms properly, why even use them? If I have for instance a screwdriver, I don't go onto a forum and say that I'm using a wrench. Words lose their meaning if you don't understand their actual definition.

>>2147517
>there's only shadows not "cast shadows"
What is chiaroscurro?

Seriously, if your gonna be this much of an asshole at least know what the fuck you are talking about. It's painfully obvious you are over reaching and trying to sound smart. But you just sound fucking stupid.

>>2147525
>It's painfully obvious you are over reaching and trying to sound smart. But you just sound fucking stupid.
Lol, you're the one making up "cast shadows" when you'll never ever see this in any book on optics or realistic computer graphics. You'll only see this term in books you get by retards like Scott Robertson who then makes up many other lighting terms as well.

'ello
can you answer by chance some of my problems with ellipticals described in the picture?

>>2147460
i'll try that : )

>>2147527
Yeah, we're making shit up so well known it's in the fucking dictionary. Fuck off you autist.

>>2147527

Go REEEEEEEEEEE back on /3/ you fucking idiot.

>>2147531
>we're making shit up so well known it's in the fucking dictionary.
And which dictionary would that be, son? The Loomis dictionary?

>>2147534
it's as mainstream to be on about.com so there's that http://painting.about.com/cs/paintingknowhow/a/shadows.htm

https://youtu.be/VOjOcVLkpTo

>>2147537
>about.com
wow, it's fucking nothing :)

>>2147534
I'll just let you have the last word. You're obviously beyond help. So respond as you inevitably will and we'll just ignore your stupid ass faggotry. Have fun with your shitty ideas. I've found multiple optics books and peer reviewed scholarly articles on optics that mention cast shadows in 30 seconds of google, including Newtons own work on optics. Enjoy being a shit head.

Enjoy your last word too. We're done here.

>>2147541
>2015
>Isaac Newton
You might as well start selling me on "core shadows" too, and other Scott Rob terms. You idiot.

>>2147528
I think you are trying to ask too many questions in one image, it is confusing.
also all image editors have type tools now, its easier to read than handwriting.

sorry I cant offer any advice I am a noob also, I hope they stop arguing about pointless shit soon.

made a lizardman. how do I make it less flat?

>>2147553
Either by shading, or cleaning up all those extra lines and just focusing in the lines that help describe the 3d form of the character.

>>2147555
well... when I erase all those underlays it becomes seriously flat. and I don't know anything about shading

>>2146561
>>2146592
>>2146645
I found pic related a while back, you could try to reverse image search it, no idea about its level of usefulness though

>>2147559
That's why I said to erase most of them. Redraw the ones that are necessary to give it form. Right now you have way too many lines to be helpful to a viewer, it looks like chicken scratch. Clean it up. Only keep the lines that help us see what's there.

>>2147564
that's what I mean
problem is I don't have a slightest idea what line from that mess will make it form

>>2147504
>Objects don't "cast shadows"

>>2147566
Did you ever construct the anatomy of your lizard creature? I can hardly see any anatomy among the mess you placed.

>>2147567
>>2147540
cast shadow
noun
: a shadow cast by an object or figure in a painting or other picture
- Merriam-Webster


>>2147566
draw the shadows. So, the darker the shadow is, the heavier would be; the lighter parts would have lighter outlines.

i'm paraphrasing my art teacher i hope this helps

>>2147594
Why'd you quote me, m8? I'm not an autist who doesn't understand the difference between computer sci and the rest of reality

>>2147567

You're not understanding the point. Logically an object doesn't cast a shadow it obstructs light. It doesn't add, it subtracts. To study art (and physics) it's essential to note that there is a massive difference logically between the two terms.

>>2147657
>Logically an object doesn't cast a shadow it obstructs light. It doesn't add, it subtract
Nope. There is a total "absence of light" in that area. Pitch black, nothingness since the visiblity ray can't into that area.

>>2147667

Exactly, that's what I said. The natural state of being is darkness, things become visible with the addition of light. If a shadow is cast that means less light is reaching that area. So when we see a shadow there is "less light" present not "more shadow".

>>2147657
Get your head out of your ass m8. The phrase is used by 90%+ of english speakers because that's how we talk about shadows. We use the phrase 'cast shadow' to describe a particular kind of 'subtracted light' and there's nothing wrong with that. Just like there's nothing wrong with saying 'Blue is complementary to Orange/Magenta'. It's not real, it's not factual, but it's how we perceive things, not what's really there.

It doesn't matter if "logically an object doesn't cast a shadow it obstructs light". What matters is how we perceive it. And we perceive it as 'casting a shadow'.

Grow up. Getting caught up in semantics won't help you draw better, and it only serves to stroke your own pathetic ego. If seeing it as subtractive helps you understand forms, that's fine and dandy. But it's not "essential" to understand the "massive difference logically between the two terms". Stop being a fucking twat.

>>2147683
>What matters is how we perceive it. And we perceive it as 'casting a shadow'.
100% of shadows are caused by an object blocking the ray from the light. From this we can deduce that "cast" shadows don't exist. There are only shadows or no-shadows. Darkness and light. You don't have "cast" darkness. Even saying that means you're a retard

>>2147657
>>2147671
>>2147689

This shit is hilarious. He just can't understand. Is it autism? Stubbornness?

>>2147690
>He just can't understand
Welp. You're making it easy for anyone to "misunderstand"

>>2147695
The concepts and the reasons for the nomenclature have been explained to him. He doesn't want to understand.

>>2147483
Well, despite the debate about terminology and grammar, I still don't know what I can do to improve. I'm just starting to figure out shading and any feedback on my blobs would be cool. I'm not in figure drawing yet, just trying to figure out how to shade in basic shapes at the moment.

>>2147528
>>2146543
hello I think maybe I figured this out.

minor axis and and an elipses vanishing point are not the same.

the minor axis just crosses the elipse at the shortest diameter.
like this
>>2146560

whats pictures here in green
>>2146563
is not the minor axis, its the vanishing point, that's a skewer through the center of the circle to the horizon.

observe in this picture how the minor axis (the blue dash line) doesn't actually line up with the vanishing point lines.

except on the bottom row.
does this help you like it helps me?

>>2147689
Ok look, bro, I know this is hard to understand, so I'm going to simplify it. There are basically two 'types' of shadows. There's the kind caused by a form turning away from the light source. Light goes straight. 3d object exists in 3d. Combine the two, and light won't hit all planes of the object directly. Some will be at an angle in relation to the light. The side of an egg isn't mid-tone because the mass of the egg is 'obstructing' light particles (sometimes it is, but that's different). It's mid-tone because light doesn't hit it directly and thus is being scattered more. The light isn't reflected as strongly, so the light is less intense creating a 'shade'. Think about how and WHY summer is hotter then winter. It's the directness of light and the angle at which that light hits the surface. Not because something's blocking the sun's rays.

Then there's the kinds of shadows caused by light being obstructed directly by an object. Like a crescent moon. We call the last one a 'cast shadow' because that's just what they're called. That's how we use the term.

Instead of trying to defend your own unnecessary semantic ego-stroking, go and practice your fundamentals. You clearly have no understanding of light.

>>2147718
Different anon, but damn this is nice.
Currently practicing on my ellipses, this is some really good insight.

Got bored of doing loomis. Drawing is painful.

>>2147727

>>2147742
right there with you, man
in that particular one, the shoulder and above are sitting up, while the rest of the body (starting with chest-bottom) are lying down
I dunno how legs work either, buddy

>>2147831
i was going for laying on a couch, if that makes any more sense of the image.

help me beginner thread I'm shit

>>2147874
Not really, I like it.

>>2147874
Yeah... you're rendering is already way outta my league anon. I'd send you to the draw thread, but last time I did that someone told me not to.

>>2147874
I agree with >>2147886 , it needs work but it is far from a beginner's work. You've got pleasant color choices and your brushwork looks like the beginnings of something really refined, but some of the edges are ambiguous and the form overall doesn't read too 3d.
Keep it up anon, I look forward to another post from you.

>>2147891
>>2147886
>>2147875
Wow. thanks very much guys, it means probably more than it should that you all like it.

>tfw on page 22 of Fun with a Pencil
>still not having fun with my pencil

>>2147945
>tfw your feel face looks p good tho

>>2147945
if you're sick of faces, just jump around to posture or something for now.

>>2147947
I think he should power through it. I did like 200 loomis abstractions (the academic ones, mind you, not the blooks because I'm beyond that) and it made it really awesome. I can do one freehand in like 10 seconds now. Feels good af.

>>2147946
I picked that face up from someone's /ic/ sketch ages ago

>>2147947
>>2147950
I've been messing around with gestures for awhile, and right now I'm buckling down to focus on going through my drawing books before my summer ends because I have so little to draw when I'm busy with college/work.

I'm used to not finishing my sketches, so I'm making sure I take my time and finish each drawing on each page before I move on.

>>2147969
I may be misinterpreting what you are saying. If so forgive me and ignore. But it seems you are going through your art books and practicing replicating what they have on each page?
If so:
Remember to do more than just copy the book anon. Apply what you've learned and try to redraw what you'be been getting from the book without looking at it. This will help your memory and ability to construct without reference.

I'm a really shitty beginner who's still studying on Loomis' book and perspective made easy, but I'd like to eventually move on drawing on software and a tablet. Should I invest in one and try to learn already, or should I wait? Also, which tablet should I get? I found recommendations around, but the small Wacom ones seem too small and the medium ones are expensive as fuck. Just let me know if I should just drop 350 dollars on it or there are alternatives for a beginner.
Thanks.

>>2147977
Depending on your area you might be able to get one used. That's what I did. Just be sure to take the usual precautions when buying something used off the internet.

Basically I checked my local online classified (craigslist) for a bit til I saw a tablet for sale that seemed ok. Contacted buyer, they didn't seem to sleazy. Pre-installed tablet drivers on my laptop, arranged to meet in a police station parking lot (quick and easy way to filter out stolen gear / people looking for marks). Showed up, plugged in tablet made sure all the buttons worked, that the drivers detected tablet, no dead areas etc. Bought tablet. Paid $175 for an intous 5 medium.

>>2147974
You've got it right. I'll keep that in mind while drawing. I'm also making sure to analyze the drawing while I draw like Vilppu said.

It's just hard to apply some concepts in Fun with a Pencil because anatomy is clearly coming into play in his drawings and I haven't comprehensively delved into that yet.

I finally understand why there's always vague advice when it comes to getting proficient at drawing: There's just so many areas of art that come into play you need to truly understand each area as much as possible to have a great drawing. It's amazing how a picture appears simple and natural on the surface but in actuality depicts years of practice, hard work, and mastery.

>>2147657
What I find hilarious is that you're trying to replace the layman's terms of artistic elements that have existed for hundreds of years with physical definitions that are constantly being updated in accordance with our ever-changing understanding of the natural world, without realizing that what makes sense in a piece of artwork now is exactly the same as what made sense when we thought the earth was the center of the universe.

Ok, prepare yourself, because I'm about to blow your fucking mind. Are you ready?

Art is not bound by physical laws.

Art is bound by what we PERCEIVE as physical laws.

If I made a drawing of a tree, the only things I need to keep in mind are the laws the govern how a human being would perceive the tree. These laws are known as the elements and principles of art. I do not need any knowledge of the trees roots, I do not need any knowledge of the soil it is attached to, I do not need any knowledge of the chemical reactions involved in cellular respiration and photosynthesis, and, most generally, I do not need to recreate the entire universe every time I make a drawing.

Even what we perceive does not necessarily have to match up exactly with what we draw. We can exaggerate what seems to exist in our eyes for the purpose of stylization.

So cast a shadow, obstruct light, highlight, reflect, it doesn't fucking matter what it's called because a human can't understand the difference between these things with the naked eye.

And lastly, the reason why things like stylization exist is because the purpose an artist has in mind when producing a piece of art isn't to recreate the natural world. Their purpose is to capture its beauty as we perceive it, but you can't understand beauty, because you're autistic.

Now please, brush up on your fundamentals or GTFO of /ic/.

sooner this hits 300 posts the better.

>>2147950
What are the "academic ones"?

>>2148084
those one I presume

>>2147718
Is there no way to determine the minor axis apart from > its approximate to the vanishing point?

>>2148098
Are those in Fun with a Pencil?

>>2148108
you only need that vanishing point if you want to perfectly snap it to plane behaving to that vp any other times you can just use good old lesser dimension of ellipse

>>2148109
I dunno, I'm not into loooooomis much.

>>2148115
ok thnx, I'll figure it out

>>2148108
the purpose of the minor axis is to cross the narrowest points of the elipse. so draw an elipse and just eyeball what the narrowest point is I guess.

for major axis its the longest gap.

as asked here, I think its 90 degrees

>>2146382

>>2148112
I think he means this right?

when the ellipse is on a surface plane, the minor axis matches the planes vanishing point

>>2146274
Dunno if I become any better.
Couldn't do anything for 2 days due to work.

>>2148125
I cleared that up a bit I think.

>>2148130
why do all of your faces have tumors on the sides of their mouths ?

your shapes could be better in general, anon
are you just drawing the faces?
start with ellipses, then add the face. make the ellipse real good, make the face real good.
check out loomis. fun with pencils pg 39 (pic is that)

>>2148130
>>2148136
im embarrassed. i didn't even see your previous post.
ok, im gonna take a guess and say that you are insanely careful about putting your lines down.
some loose dexterity exercises might help, just to learn the muscle memory of how to draw ellipses.
your stiffness is translating into unnatural shapes for the face.
even when you're busy, just scribbling circles over and over again might carry you over the fasting period.
good luck

should i buy an anatomy book or should i try learn anatomy from practice and youtube chanels like ''Draw with Jazza''
>my budget is kinda spread thin

>>2148148
that's why we have a book thread.
anatomy for sculptors is gud.

>>2148149
i have biology anatomy book ,but i doubt its going to help me much.

Anyone else going through dynamic sketching? Do these look ok? I understand these are just basic exercises but I'm not sure I'm doing them correctly. Thanks.

>>2148188

>>2148188
I downloaded it and watched it,
think they need shadows atleast.

I don't know if youre doing it correctly, that center contour line would fork.
like in this vid at 19:28ish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=o1lleIBzn3A#t=1183

>>2148139
I do understand your critique and I do to work on it.
Will going through http://drawabox.com/lesson/1 help me with my problem?

I've begun reading Betty Edward's book on drawing with the Right Side of the Brain and am a little confused.

Is the viewfinder necessary for the exercises in the book? Also what surface should I use to draw? All I have is a 9x12 acid-free drawing paper pad.

Help. how do I draw light being reflected off of water good?

>>2148297
>http://drawabox.com/lesson/1
yes! these will be a great start. it's tougher to use your whole body when you're concentrating on a small piece of paper in front of you.
if you can afford it (time/space), get a big piece of paper, put it on a wall, and use your shoulders instead of your wrist, etc. (as the drowabox stuff says). this helped me understand how my muscles should work, instead of using my wrists for chicken scratches.

still cant figure out this off the page vanishing point stuff. makes me want to kill myself.

draw line from invisible point
want to draw another line to invisible point
cant find invisible point cos its fucking invisible.
aim blindly at invisible point.
get line wrong.

Been trying to practice Hampton and I tried to do this pose. I draw from my shoulder and try my best not to chicken scratch it, but I don't feel like I'm getting the idea.
Any help?

>>2148347
anon, your lower body is great.
where did you start drawing? it seems like you psyched your self about either her face or hair. or maybe the entire upper body.
think about where and how (angle-wise, especially) the model's torso sits compared to her hips. the model's boobs are sagging down naturally whereas you sorta put yours there.
apply what you did for the legs to the arms, too
try again. don't worry about the face too much for now.
i believe in you

>>2148353
Thanks for the quick response!
>anon, your lower body is great.
>where did you start drawing? it seems like you psyched your self about either her face or hair. or maybe the entire upper body.
I started actually on the lower body, hair/face was done last, I was just trying to put in some perspective
>think about where and how (angle-wise, especially) the model's torso sits compared to her hips. the model's boobs are sagging down naturally whereas you sorta put yours there.
will do, thanks!
>apply what you did for the legs to the arms, too
Any tips on the legs? I can never settle on the legs and constantly redraw them until I'm ok, I don't know, shits weird.
>try again. don't worry about the face too much for now.
>i believe in you
thank you

peter han excercises

head study from last night

>>2148378
whatistrapezius.bmp

i see that

>>2148335
So actually draw that invisible point so it aint invisible anymore nigga.

Or you can do what Sal Amendola does and on your drawing board draw a straight horizon line and put two thumb tacs as permanent vanishing points. Then you just position your paper however high or low above the horizon line you want and just lay the ruler against the thumb tacs for each line.

samefag here

>>2148393
Wow, lookin good! I think there are some issues with top left and bottom right, but they still look pretty decent. mostly seems like the noses are a bit large (but perhaps this is how they look) also on both of those the lips seem to be a bit to outlined and don't really work with the rest of the features.

Bottom left is great! Really captures a subtle expression, nice job! Top right is really coming together as well. I think these are great, keep it up.

>>2148399
Thanks! Trying to build up that mileage!

>>2148408
Well it's showing. I too am trying to build up mileage, but still working on construction and trying to learn line work. As you can see still very messy, but I'm at the beginning of my journey. Learning new stuff every day.

>>2148415
construction takes time to learn. I can't wait until mine is more solid.

>>2148429
>>2148429
>>2148429

New thread. Damn, you guys move fast.

>>2148300
Please respond.

What are people talking about when they refer to "planes"?

>>2148081
>So cast a shadow, obstruct light, highlight, reflect, it doesn't fucking matter what it's called because a human can't understand the difference between these things with the naked eye.

>>2148130
I used to be where you are at. If you keep practicing and take your time with each head, you'll definitely improve.

after an hour of battling with drawing shoulders i got frustrated and erased what i was doing to quickly doodle an outline of where it should be. i realized that my relaxed quick doodle looked a lot better then my half an hour of meticulous autism.

what i learned from this is that the easier that it feels on your hands and mind the better it looks on paper. Things are look alot better when im relaxed compared to when im actually trying.

How do I into shading/rendering? I think my linework is coming along nicely (by my standards), but I can't make portray three-dimensionality if my life depended on it.
Should I just keep drawing these a lot until I get better?

Also, am I supposed to tone the whole paper beforehand so that I'm able to add highlights?

Just started Loomis. Am I on the right track with these? I want to draw a few dozen per day until I really start to nail them, but I want to make sure I'm not just missing the point and wasting my time.

>>2150629
resized and rotated, sorry.